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Crusix Bargoth
Amarr
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Rossarian
And all nos really needed was a stacking penalty... Why such a complicated nerf? Also I am afraid that this might make those shiney new Khanid ships a bit overpowered, not to mention how it renders nos virtually useless for battleships as defense against tacklers... The inty-lobby must be very happy now 
This almost completely spoils the Khanid fix for me, and I am not even using nos very much.
Nos was NEVER ment to be an anti-frig weapon. Play smarter, use a wingman or two, and drones like was intended.
A weapon that ALWAYS hits and renders a ships role useless.....are you serious?
Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar
nerf ponies!!1one
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Santa Anna on 30/07/2007 15:18:34
Originally by: Rossarian
And all nos really needed was a stacking penalty... Why such a complicated nerf? Also I am afraid that this might make those shiney new Khanid ships a bit overpowered, not to mention how it renders nos virtually useless for battleships as defense against tacklers... The inty-lobby must be very happy now
This almost completely spoils the Khanid fix for me, and I am not even using nos very much.
This isn't a complicated change to nos. They made something described as an energy siphon act as an energy siphon.
edit: not a valley girl, just changed simile construction halfway through.
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:18:00 -
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Curse and pilgrim can be easily cap injected thanks to their mid slots - the nos changes might just make smaller cap boosters more popular. I suppose neutralizers will be their primary weapon now.
Gallente nosboats (esp. nosdomi) should be greatly weakened though , they'll have to choose between tanking at 30% with little to no nossing , or do it at very low cap and miss most of their natural recharge. Let's see how they tank a gank mega now... retribution cometh 
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: StakhanovLet's see how they tank a gank mega now... retribution cometh [:pirate:
rofl so true, my mega fits are always very low on cap, the perfect way to survive now lol
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Great Artista
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
/me grab his crow
Now i finaly can solo battleships w/o worrying about heavy nos !!!
Awesome patch guys, love you very much !
Hihih qft!
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:36:00 -
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Another thought, capital ships. 99% of capital ships are fit for perma tank, be it 3CAR for moms, 2car for dread/carrior and now small gangs killed them by giving a bit nossing to break theyr recharge (so they can't run both cars permamently and will capout), but with this changes it will be more likely not longer possible to kill capitals with small gangs, they will just permamently tank them, or at least till next downtime.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Another thought, capital ships. 99% of capital ships are fit for perma tank, be it 3CAR for moms, 2car for dread/carrior and now small gangs killed them by giving a bit nossing to break theyr recharge (so they can't run both cars permamently and will capout), but with this changes it will be more likely not longer possible to kill capitals with small gangs, they will just permamently tank them, or at least till next downtime.
Or you actually neut the Cap, or nos them from below your max recharge. You won't be able to use your current NOS-heavy setups in all likelihood, but you'll be able to use the same number of guys.
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Naughty Boy
Chronics of ordinary hate
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:48:00 -
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About ******* time. Some of you muppets who trolled posters arguing for nosferatus changes for the last two years better crawl back into your hole and hide forever.
NB.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:49:00 -
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Still trying to get my head round the changes, but it looks like you need to be using cap to take cap? Nos/Neut combos to get the job done. Curse can still do its job but not its not as overpowering as it was.
Changes also mean that you either fit for anti tackler (Neut) or you fit for tank sustaining (Nos) and not both.... well not true, you can do one of each or multiples there of, but it'll be less effective.
Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Valandril
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 30/07/2007 15:52:20
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Still trying to get my head round the changes, but it looks like you need to be using cap to take cap? Nos/Neut combos to get the job done. Curse can still do its job but not its not as overpowering as it was.
Changes also mean that you either fit for anti tackler (Neut) or you fit for tank sustaining (Nos) and not both.... well not true, you can do one of each or multiples there of, but it'll be less effective.
Not true, frig will recharge enought cap to keep tackling u prety damn fast.
And to nos/neutr capital, u will need more ppl to actualy do it and i mean ppl in dedicated ships fited exacly for this which lead to bigger gangs. Not meaning that fitting neutras is pita.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Something that strikes me is the project of giving Amarr more oomph.
What've had so far since it was confirmed that more oomph was intended is:
20% more pulse tracking - Great, doesn't relate to any of the problems Amarr have however.
EANM's nerfed - So were nerfing the tank of those who have issues with cap - mainly amarr.
Nos nerfed - the primary use of amarr as it was, the way for them to maintain cap.
Khanid changes - undecided on this one so far. Hard to say if it was a real boost to amarr, especially seeing how its a bit off the general amarr idea of lasers and armor tank. Might be decent ships - but not in line with the amarrian ways.
As for the nos-nerf itself it was needed, and it does help out quite abit, even if it makes the need for more high-slot modules a tad more urgent.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:02:00 -
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Not so sure about these changes to nos. Might work, we'll just have to wait and see.
Personally I think nos should track like turrets and dampeners should go the same way as ECM. Ie,, only any use on ships with bonuses for their use.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
And to nos/neutr capital, u will need more ppl to actualy do it and i mean ppl in dedicated ships fited exacly for this which lead to bigger gangs. Not meaning that fitting neutras is pita.
I fit a Nos on my AC Pest mostly for cap ships. (1 isn't enough to matter against anything smaller in the gangs where I use it.) I'll switch to a neut and keep energy neut drones handy.
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PhantomVyper
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Nos nerfed - the primary use of amarr as it was, the way for them to maintain cap.
This is not a nerf for Amarr ships in general (except the Arbi/Curse/Pilgrim that is).
The nerf to Nosf will be pretty insignificant when you are using it on a ship that isn't cap stable. You'll still be able to use it to balance your cap.
That combined with the fact that until now, if you where using and Amarr laser ship, if you got nossed you'd die (and everyone was using Nos these days), makes this change a significant buff to Amarr laser boats.
I still don't know what to think on Khanid Mk II though...
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Xarax
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:05:00 -
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Lets face it guys, the Amarr Recons were the only recon ships that were capable of taking down larger ships while flying solo. Recons are meant to operate in gangs, and the Amarr ships were the only ones breaking that mold. All Recons are still capable of taking down smaller ships while flying solo (as well as some cruiser sized ships), and they all still serve a purpose in gang warfare. CCP has allowed the Amarr Recons to be overpowered for quite a while. Now that they are giving the Khanid ships a little love, itĘs only right that these Recons be brought in line as well.
Oh, and for those Amarr pilots that keep whining about having to train another weapons platformątry playing Minmatar for a bit. Minnies have to train guns, missiles and dronesą& then to top it off, we have to train for 2 kinds of tanks as well. Get over yourselves with your fancy gold ships and shiny lights that never need reloading.
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Originally by: Kara Rhane
AFAIK they call that a 'moose knuckle'
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Nos nerfed - the primary use of amarr as it was, the way for them to maintain cap.
Now that's exactly what it does. If your ship uses more cap than the ship you're fighting, a nos will give you his cap. If you both cap out, you both need injectors, but on balance you should be able to nos. if you want.
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Khanid changes - undecided on this one so far. Hard to say if it was a real boost to amarr, especially seeing how its a bit off the general amarr idea of lasers and armor tank. Might be decent ships - but not in line with the amarrian ways.
The Sac in particular looks fantastic. In its proposed form, it'd give Amarr 2 of the top 4 HACs IMO. The divergence from classic amarr doctrine is apparent, but how many ways could you do lasers and armor?
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As for the nos-nerf itself it was needed, and it does help out quite abit, even if it makes the need for more high-slot modules a tad more urgent.
What high-slot modules?
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Linnth
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:10:00 -
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Nos change sucked. Real hard...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Linnth
Nos change sucked. Real hard...
Sucking is the point of nos though 
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 30/07/2007 16:18:35
Not really sure regarding the change to Nos...was thinking that maybe a stacking nerf + sig radius requirement (give Nos'es a sig radius, if their sig radius matches or exceeds a targets they get a 100% of the cap they can drain, if the targets sig is smaller, say 80 % of the Nos'es sig, then they drain 80% of their ammount etc.) was a better option.
Another possible option would be that as your cap reduced, it would become more and more difficult for Nos to drain cap from you. At say down to 50% cap Nos works as it does now, but below 50% cap, the Nos drains only a % of the 'full' ammount it can drain.
One Empire, One Emperor, One People, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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BOBHOPE
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:22:00 -
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i like it.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:33:00 -
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I like this change but hope the reduce the requirements for nos less pg.
This is best change so far no more nos ftw now you have to be smart
to use nos properly.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.30 16:47:00 -
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Actually having thought a bit more about it this change would be tolerable, IF they also 'fix' Neuts by cutting Cap drain, cap use and cycle time in half. Otherwise this is too big a nerf for BS vs frigs. Yeah yeah I know nos was never supposed to be a frig defense (which dev told you that btw? :P) but it WAS a frig defense, no, it was THE frig defense since most other frig defenses can be easily overcome by competent inty pilots. So with those 'fixed' neuts we could still drain pesky inties, but now instead of gaining we would have to pay to do it.
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There is no 'r' in faction
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Royaldo
Gallente
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.30 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Royaldo on 30/07/2007 17:03:04
do what kayo wrote.
make current nosf stay, but only make them work with the current nosf ships.
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