To expand - why do you have this massive sense of entitlement that you should get these really quite advantageous implants at rock bottom prices? If so: X-type mods for everyone! (Yes, I know there are huge differences in obtaining mindlinks and X-types, but the point remains.)

You are trolling, but I'll bite because people might not notice.

Why? The OP already pointed out why. Because the current prices are a secondary result of changing storyline missions, not a specific change to mindlinks the increase the price, which has been reasonably priced in the past. If CCP wants to change the status quo, fine. However, its highly unlikely they do since they usually announce such changes (PI.is a good example) and as the OP stated well, the status quo should be restored.

But I'm sure you think we should 'cry more' right? (P.S. I already have several mindlinks)

Did they announce the change to loot tables that caused Y-T8 MWDs and all the rest to plummet in price?


Again...you're basically restating what the OP has said - that they are upset that the drop rate has effectively been nerfed, and that the price has risen as a result.

You state that it would improve the game. Why would it? What benefit would it have other than to make it more affordable to you?

Cry more, deprived minebear

Quick Question, Are any implants manufacturable by players at this time?

Quick Question, Are any implants manufacturable by players at this time?

I think we've found the problem then. CCP needs to come up with a way for players to manufacture implants (All of them, not just mindlinks). Let our industrialists have some fun.

Like now.

Check out any of the graphs for the 4 useful mindlinks (all except info) The price has gotten out of control.
A year ago mindlinks were around 8-15m a pop, the mining one being a bit more of course but they were fairly priced in my opinion.

Mindlinks come from only one source, a specific level 4 storyline mission with a small chance to give a mindlink as a reward.
The evil Incarna expansion released lots of more level 4 storyline missions which has reduced the already small chance of getting a mindlink to extremely low levels. Thus the supply of mindlinks crashed making the price skyrocket. I have seen a mining mindlink go for 550m isk and most other mindlinks hovering at 90-110m, a price increase of around 10 times.

I do not think that CCP intended to make mindlinks as expensive as deadspace items when they released more storyline missions. Mindlinks have been reduced to off grid boosters in high sec instead of being put onto command ship/battlecruiser pod pilots that go off and die in glorious battle.

Now if I really had my way I'd also like a tech 1 mindlink with reduced effectiveness and less insane skill reqs, but that may be asking too much. Surely adding in 5 BPOs for mindlinks or an LP store item would be easy to implement and improve the game, right?

Why should mindlinks be cheaper than an average +5% hardwiring?

I feel like you haven't read the thread at all because I already answered this but I will go through it once again. Mindlinks take about 50-60 days more training than a 5% hardwiring and are T2 items that are essential to a specific ship module, gang warfare links. Mindlinks were not broken when they were much cheaper and the dramatic price increase was not intentional, it was a byproduct of the level 4 storyline mission change. Mindlinks also promote specialized groups and teammwork while your standard 5% hardwiring does not.


Mindlinks would fit into the LP store perfectly at the 3% hardwiring or +4 implant category price levels.

I feel like you haven't read the thread at all because I already answered this but I will go through it once again. Mindlinks take about 50-60 days more training than a 5% hardwiring and are T2 items that are essential to a specific ship module, gang warfare links. Mindlinks were not broken when they were much cheaper and the dramatic price increase was not intentional, it was a byproduct of the level 4 storyline mission change. Mindlinks also promote specialized groups and teammwork while your standard 5% hardwiring does not.


Mindlinks would fit into the LP store perfectly at the 3% hardwiring or +4 implant category price levels.

I feel like you haven't read the thread at all because I already answered this but I will go through it once again. Mindlinks take about 50-60 days more training than a 5% hardwiring and are T2 items that are essential to a specific ship module, gang warfare links. Mindlinks were not broken when they were much cheaper and the dramatic price increase was not intentional, it was a byproduct of the level 4 storyline mission change. Mindlinks also promote specialized groups and teammwork while your standard 5% hardwiring does not.


Mindlinks would fit into the LP store perfectly at the 3% hardwiring or +4 implant category price levels.

They were not a problem before the storyline mission changes and it is very likely that the short supply of those implants wasn't intended by the devs.

BTW, how come nobody complains about the price of the Michi Implant ?????

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I can't believe that CCP is letting people sell this measly 5% bonus implant for 700m+ ISK!! It's not fairrrr
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As an aside ... are you honestly *ever* going to get podded with a mining mindlink?

As an aside ... are you honestly *ever* going to get podded with a mining mindlink?

Industrialists are not and should not ever be immune from the whims of the RNG, whether relating to drop rate or mission distribution. If CCP does something to 'rectify' this, then I for one will be demanding free Estamel's Invulnerability Fields for my Ibis (as I cannot tank level 4 missions without them)!

And Bumblefck, you can have your estemels invuln when I find a state issue raven in my hangar.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. 1 is an in-game drop and another is only given out in tournaments. You were crying about mindlinks. Cause god forbids an item that is only available through storyline missions.

I too demand to be able to moon mine in hi-sec cause god forbids an item to be only available by taking part in null-sec epeen drama.

I too demand the State Raven bpc to be seeded in the LP store or sold on market. It make absolutely no sense for a ship to cost over 100 bils. MAKE IT CHEAPER, so people can start using them in PVP more often!

I don't believe that moon mining and a ship of this caliber should be out of reach for the average industrialist. Things like that destroys my industry sandbox.

Was I crying about mindlinks? I was joining in on a thread about mindlinks and expressing an opinion, is that so wrong?

I commented that All mindlinks should be available via the LP store, not just the mining ones, and you missed the humour about the state issue raven.

the problem with the sandbox is every so often, CCP comes along and takes a dump in the sandbox, which is why the mining mindlink costs over 5 times as much as the other ones, so there's obviously an inbalance somewhere, I know about random etc, you could get the same one 5 times in a row, it's random, but the thing is they could redress the balance should they want to, and slowly that would bring the price of them down to be comparable with the others.

I don't get the reference to moon mining, if I wanted to live in nullsec I'd live in nullsec, I don't want to live in nullsec so I don't live in nullsec. If I wanted to mine Ark, Bist, Crok, Merc, Dark Glitter etc, I'd live in null, and put up with the nullsec politics.

Regarding the Michi implant: that is a different story. It seems not to be in high demand and that additional 5% bonus isn't that significant to a mining barge/exhumer as the mindlinks for (industrial) command ships.

I for one will be demanding free Estamel's Invulnerability Fields for my Ibis (as I cannot tank level 4 missions without them)!

you are doing something wrong...since birth apparently

Ok, let me put this scenario to you

One of my alts has the mindlink in, and we join a 0.0 corp, the normal way of getting clones up there are the usual set medical and pod-express, but instead you've got to fly the clone up there due to the mindlink, so there's plenty of opportunity if you're unlucky enough to stumble on a good gate-camp.

The last time I left 0.0, we were evacuating the area and I was lucky enough to catch a titan bridge out to low-sec.

Can happen. You do realise that even people who lead mining operations do PvP or fly through Low-Sec occasionaly or even regulary. Of course you could change your clone everytime you do it, but sometimes that isn't possible or practical.

Regarding the Michi implant: that is a different story. It seems not to be in high demand and that additional 5% bonus isn't that significant to a mining barge/exhumer as the mindlinks for (industrial) command ships.

Ok, let me put this scenario to you

One of my alts has the mindlink in, and we join a 0.0 corp, the normal way of getting clones up there are the usual set medical and pod-express, but instead you've got to fly the clone up there due to the mindlink, so there's plenty of opportunity if you're unlucky enough to stumble on a good gate-camp.

The last time I left 0.0, we were evacuating the area and I was lucky enough to catch a titan bridge out to low-sec.

So there are chances to get your mindlink killed, not huge chances, but chances all the same.

I think the idea of them been seeded on the LP stores (all mindlinks) is a great one, I'd be happy spending LP's and a good chunk of isk, they don't want to be too cheap, currently I think the most expensive things are 800,000 LP and 80,000,000 Isk and that's things like Rattlesnakes, Nightmares, Bhaalgorns etc.
Thinking about it, why should a little box you plug into your head cost as much as a battleship, maybe around the 350-400k LP and 35-40mil Isk seems about right.

And as long as it's not for a limited corp like ORE where they're all nullsec

It's nice having Internet Stalkers/fanbois, but it only looks bad on oneself if they are of a rather poor quality, like Crystal Icebucket here

Bit rich that you wrote that "sprays Bumblefck repellent" on the previous page, and then go on to directly quote me. Should've expected something like that from you, though...

By the way, I'm obviously not doing anything as wrong as you are, because you were/are: I) mining in a hulk/mackinaw/whatever, II) getting said barge blown up and III), just for emphasis again, you mining in the first instance.


fail fail fail

Check out the prices of HG Omegas sometime. They cost as much as a Dreadnaught.

CCP should give random people T3 BPO and inject loads of T2 BPO's maxed out just for game balance. Watcht he epic bitter vet tears as they allready got a TECH II BPO so why should you?

AGREE with the OP, seed it as a BPO in the LP store. For example, the ORE LP store to add a level of difficulty as all of their agents are located outside of High Sec and the higher level ones in Null Sec. Sorry if this is a re-post, got tired of the bickering that was occurring.

What ?????

Mindlinks have been reduced to off grid boosters in high sec instead of being put onto command ship/battlecruiser pod pilots that go off and die in glorious battle.

Industrialists are not and should not ever be immune from the whims of the RNG, whether relating to drop rate or mission distribution. If CCP does something to 'rectify' this, then I for one will be demanding free Estamel's Invulnerability Fields for my Ibis (as I cannot tank level 4 missions without them)!

Nice straw man.

My point, as you so graciously ignored, was to not deflate the price, but to remove arbitrary mechanics for a utility item whilst simultaneously creating a new market.

The price is irrelevant; the goal is to involve more players in the process.

All mindlinks except the mining one should be seeded and fleet boosting should be effective on grid only.

I'm curious as to why you think the mining one should be excluded?

Working as intended imo

AGREE with the OP, seed it as a BPO in the LP store. For example, the ORE LP store to add a level of difficulty as all of their agents are located outside of High Sec and the higher level ones in Null Sec. Sorry if this is a re-post, got tired of the bickering that was occurring.

ALL their agents are in nullsec. In fact they are in two systems.

Like now.

Check out any of the graphs for the 4 useful mindlinks (all except info) The price has gotten out of control.
A year ago mindlinks were around 8-15m a pop, the mining one being a bit more of course but they were fairly priced in my opinion.

Mindlinks come from only one source, a specific level 4 storyline mission with a small chance to give a mindlink as a reward.
The evil Incarna expansion released lots of more level 4 storyline missions which has reduced the already small chance of getting a mindlink to extremely low levels. Thus the supply of mindlinks crashed making the price skyrocket. I have seen a mining mindlink go for 550m isk and most other mindlinks hovering at 90-110m, a price increase of around 10 times.

I do not think that CCP intended to make mindlinks as expensive as deadspace items when they released more storyline missions. Mindlinks have been reduced to off grid boosters in high sec instead of being put onto command ship/battlecruiser pod pilots that go off and die in glorious battle.

Now if I really had my way I'd also like a tech 1 mindlink with reduced effectiveness and less insane skill reqs, but that may be asking too much. Surely adding in 5 BPOs for mindlinks or an LP store item would be easy to implement and improve the game, right?