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matsimo akura	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:31:00 - [1] This is simple, and it is about the nos nerf. If you dont want nos nerfed and want the amarr ships to stay the same and want nos left alone and not messed with, just sign this post If you like the changes being made and want them to go ahead, just write change. that is all, if you want to discuss it, go to another thread. thank you.
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:32:00 - [2] /signed
necranomicon	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:33:00 - [3] /signed
Cyan Gadarin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:33:00 - [4] I'll agree to the nerf if they add an exception for the bhallgorn/curse/pilgrim. - DJ Kirkland Playing music the way its meant to be played. BoB Radio - Http://www.bobonair.com/
Zosimos Sabina Tritanium Workers Union Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 30/07/2007 23:35:14 I feel like every man and dog who is whining about the NOS nerf just flies the Curse, not any of the laser ships which this thing really buffs. All those ships without enough midslots for a cap injector just got a little bit better. In short, not signed, and... l2play and adapt. The Curse will continue to be a good ship. Did you really think it was fair that a nano-damp-curse could be a solo-mobile along with Vagabond? Anyway, for the truely clueless at ship fitting just put a neut and/or injector on your setup and it is the same as always. Flies more like an Arbitrator, even. I will have much more fun in my laser ships after Sisi goes live. ------------------------------------------------ »\(¦_o)/»
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:35:00 - [6] /signed and ill agree if they add more powergrid to the domi so it can actually fit some damn guns, or if they wave the nos nerf for amarr ships with bonus's and typhoons, domi's, and myrmidons.
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:36:00 - [7] Well, I used to fly ships that used lasers, but now they're getting turned into underpowered versions of the flycatcher (my poor heretic) so I'd agree to the nos nerf if they did add exceptions to the curse/pilgrim/bhaalgorn.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:36:00 - [8] Edited by: JamnOne on 30/07/2007 23:38:39 For those who don't know - here is the thread that the Devs have requested we use for comments about Rev 2.2 and Nos and Khanid mk II Comments on NOS
matsimo akura	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:37:00 - [9] guys please just write /signed or change, thank you, their are other threads to discuss it.
Zosimos Sabina Tritanium Workers Union Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:44:00 - [10] Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 30/07/2007 23:44:14 E-petitions on the general forum aren't going to change anything. In fact I wish the mods would just delete un-constructive threads such as this one. Too much whining and ranting on the forums which is against the forum rules int he first place. ------------------------------------------------ »\(¦_o)/»
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:44:00 - [11] change ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Corporal Clue	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:48:00 - [12] A nerf to nos was long overdue, it was absurdly powerful in 1v1 and crippling to smaller ships when they came up against large nos. Energy neuts just became a lot more worthy of fitting, especially in combination with nos. The amarr khanid change is interesting although I'm not sold on it, a missile/armour tank ship is a little bit of fresh air though.
Dave White coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Cyan Gadarin I'll agree to the nerf if they add an exception for the bhallgorn/curse/pilgrim. Agreed. Originally by: CCP Wrangler To be completely honest I don't quite understand everything I'm going to say.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:59:00 - [14] Edited by: DubanFP on 31/07/2007 00:04:01 /signed there might be need for a small nerf of large ships against small ships, but the way they want to change it too is just stupid. edit: oh and i usually HATE pettition makers as it tends to make them look foolish. But i must say this is a rare case and it's a well founded pettition. ______________________ DubanFP> I stopped capitalizing the g in goonswarm a little while back. I find they no longer deserved the little bit of extra effort required to press the shift key.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:42:00 - [15] About the large nos being crippling to smaller ships, ofcourse it is, if you read the description it says "meant for BS sized platforms", and WHO THE ** IN A FRIG IS EXPECTING TO BEAT A MOTHER*** BS, these people need to get their heads examined and have to stop wanting their sabre or crow being able to take on the whole universe. large nos is meant for bs and is not overpowered for that, med nos is meant for BC and C and all the tech 2 varients, small nos is for frigs and destroyers and all their tech 2 varients, if you are in a frig and come across a BS they are supposed to be intimedating and powerful hence their cost a role, their would be a problem if it were the other way around. nos should not be nerfed and their are proper ways around nos. this nos nerf nakes nos so unuseable they should just take it out of the database and get it done with. i love eve but it is for reasons like these people leave eve and why our population is so small, and CCP acts to good to those who whine and * and complain on the forums, now i am kind of whining myself but i am just expressing how i feel about all this. almost everybody hates the nos nerf and you hear from the small precentage of people who like it on the forums because they are 11year old losers that just got their WoW account taken away and daddy says if they are not going to play sports they can at least play a mans game and get on eve and pull this **, if CCP went into a bunch of local systems they could find out what people really think insted of comming to the forums. Its too bad really what we have to deal with for a game we all love that becomes harder to love as you go along. CCP i hope you realize your mistake and poor handling of what used to be the might of MMORPG's and fix this mess up real soon.
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:45:00 - [16] /signedx6
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:47:00 - [17] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 31/07/2007 00:08:16 /signed there might be need for a small nerf of large ships against small ships, but the way they want to change it too is just stupid. Oh and it's REALLY going to #$@# with taking down capital ships. Things are going to be damn near invincible without a large fleet now. edit: oh and i usually HATE pettition makers as it tends to make them look foolish. But i must say this is a rare case and it's a well founded pettition. maybe you have it backwards? it's your cap has to be lower than the other ship. the other ship, this case the cap, is going to have more cap % than you. so your nos will give you all of the energy you need. remember the idea is that nos is becoming the I need more cap button. while neuts are the you need less cap button. that said who has the more cap in the game? now how is a neut not now overpowered on those ships :P\\\\ change ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:47:00 - [18] /signed And if you can't bring yourselves to do that save the curse/pilgrim/arbi!!! C. - sig designer - eve mail
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth About the large nos being crippling to smaller ships, ofcourse it is, if you read the description it says "meant for BS sized platforms", and WHO THE ** IN A FRIG IS EXPECTING TO BEAT A MOTHER*** BS, these people need to get their heads examined and have to stop wanting their sabre or crow being able to take on the whole universe. large nos is meant for bs and is not overpowered for that, med nos is meant for BC and C and all the tech 2 varients, small nos is for frigs and destroyers and all their tech 2 varients, if you are in a frig and come across a BS they are supposed to be intimedating and powerful hence their cost a role, their would be a problem if it were the other way around. nos should not be nerfed and their are proper ways around nos. this nos nerf nakes nos so unuseable they should just take it out of the database and get it done with. i love eve but it is for reasons like these people leave eve and why our population is so small, and CCP acts to good to those who whine and * and complain on the forums, now i am kind of whining myself but i am just expressing how i feel about all this. almost everybody hates the nos nerf and you hear from the small precentage of people who like it on the forums because they are 11year old losers that just got their WoW account taken away and daddy says if they are not going to play sports they can at least play a mans game and get on eve and pull this **, if CCP went into a bunch of local systems they could find out what people really think insted of comming to the forums. Its too bad really what we have to deal with for a game we all love that becomes harder to love as you go along. CCP i hope you realize your mistake and poor handling of what used to be the might of MMORPG's and fix this mess up real soon. it's not suppse to kill the BS, it's role as a small ship is take the BS into a position where the BS can't move. now it's more danagerous for the battleship.I'm glad, this makes the game less dull. now I will be afriad in my ship :P but this is a boost to active tanking ships :) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:51:00 - [20] NOT signed. Grow the hell up and quit crying, all of you. And you honestly think your silly little petition is going to change anything? If the devs believe something is not working the way they intended, why should they keep it the way it is? In my opinion it's good. It'll change up the whole strategy a bit. And yeah, boohoo, hurts the Curse. Well go cry about it and figure out a new way to build a solo pwnmobile. Honestly, this crap about "I am teh going teh leev eve if teh devz dun stop it" is completely childish. If a simple nerf is going to make you leave, perhaps you won't be missed. --- Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:52:00 - [21] i active tank and only have 2 nos setups (for now), but the small ships are meant to fight small ships, it people that have made it so the small ships tackle and they usually die doing so. Small ships should be very afraid to engage BS. BS should have an intimadation factor and CCP is ruining that.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Mallikan NOT signed. Grow the hell up and quit crying, all of you. And you honestly think your silly little petition is going to change anything? If the devs believe something is not working the way they intended, why should they keep it the way it is? In my opinion it's good. It'll change up the whole strategy a bit. And yeah, boohoo, hurts the Curse. Well go cry about it and figure out a new way to build a solo pwnmobile. Honestly, this crap about "I am teh going teh leev eve if teh devz dun stop it" is completely childish. If a simple nerf is going to make you leave, perhaps you won't be missed. now you come on here like the little troller you are cause you are so happy about the nerf cause you are a noob and cant find a way around nos and now you are trying to protect what you whined for dearly for, now you say we are whining, my god man you are twisted. CCP is only doing this because they are afraid to lose their buisness and they should be, let them deny and aviod it all they want but in the end they have to realize.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:58:00 - [23] /Change.. Nos Has Been Nerfed.. Let The Adaptaion Begin.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus /Change.. Nos Has Been Nerfed.. Let The Adaptaion Begin.. and let it go how far?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:00:00 - [25] As far as it needs to go of course.. Ever heard of hotfix? Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Benco97 Gallente Nova Inc. Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:00:00 - [26] Change "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 31/07/2007 02:54:26 now you come on here like the little troller you are cause you are so happy about the nerf cause you are a noob and cant find a way around nos and now you are trying to protect what you whined SOO dearly for, now you say we are whining, my god man you are twisted. CCP is only doing this because they are afraid to lose their buisness and they should be, let them deny and aviod it all they want but in the end they have to realize. LOL.. Yep, such a noob over here. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Isan Danderoda Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Isan Danderoda on 31/07/2007 03:01:16 Honestly I'm just waiting to see what people are going to complain about next. I'm on my second lifetime in the game, and honestly nothing changes in the grand scheme of things. Seriously, after the warp to 0km change have the numbers in low-sec jumped? Not really. Is the nos nerf going to really alter how combat works at a fundamental level? Not really. Just a tweak. Next week it will be something else.
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:01:00 - [29] it has already gone too far, way before nos, way before the mothership nerf (i expect my nyx to be invincable for 20bil). CCP is making one mistake after another.
necranomicon	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:03:00 - [30] i tried asking the local system about it and got not one happy response about the nerf, try it CCP.
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:04:00 - [31] Edited by: ArcticFox on 31/07/2007 03:04:59 Originally by: Zosimos Sabina Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 30/07/2007 23:35:14Did you really think it was fair that a nano-damp-curse could be a solo-mobile along with Vagabond? Yes? The vagabond is, and will continue to be an awesome solo ship for the foreseeable future. What exactly is wrong with the Amarr having an awesome solo ship too? -------------------------- There is no +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:06:00 - [32] if you want fear dont let it come from frigs, let it come from the curse and vaga, and it makes it all that much better when ou beat one, the vaga aint hard with a proper swtup but the curse,oo the curse, beat one of them solo and you feel good for months.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Syriano Keldon (i expect my nyx to be invincable for 20bil) Whoa! Can I make my Recon invincible if I give CCP 20bil!? WTF does how much a ship cost have to do with its survivability? Or is the rl money you gave to some isk reseller too much to pay twice replace your nyx? Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Syriano Keldon (i expect my nyx to be invincable for 20bil) Whoa! Can I make my Recon invincible if I give CCP 20bil!? WTF does how much a ship cost have to do with its survivability? Or is the rl money you gave to some isk reseller too much to pay twice replace your nyx? your weird, it is mothership really its not the cost the is the main point, mothership, recon.....hmmmmmm wtf is the problem their, and giving CCP isk does not mean anything either, what a poorpoorpoor reply. failed. go home.
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:13:00 - [35] So why don't any of you "CCP sucks" geniuses work for CCP? Why don't you write up informative ways to change things? How about a constructive forum thread about the supposed issue? Because you find it easier to bash the company you willingly give money to in order to play their game. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:14:00 - [36] Sarcasm Detector I is needed it seems.. Point is that no matter how much isk your ships costs it sould never be invincible.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:15:00 - [37] FATAL sucks and you suck, go home and cry, you will lose in the end and nos will have a come back or let justice strike CCP down, hahaha.
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:17:00 - [38] Edited by: Syriano Keldon on 31/07/2007 03:17:05 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 31/07/2007 03:14:45 Originally by: Sorum Daemoth Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Syriano Keldon (i expect my nyx to be invincable for 20bil) Whoa! Can I make my Recon invincible if I give CCP 20bil!? WTF does how much a ship cost have to do with its survivability? Or is the rl money you gave to some isk reseller too much to pay twice replace your nyx? your weird, it is mothership really its not the cost the is the main point, mothership, recon.....hmmmmmm wtf is the problem their, and giving CCP isk does not mean anything either, what a poorpoorpoor reply. failed. go home. Sarcasm Detector I is needed it seems.. Point is that no matter how much isk your ships costs it sould never be invincible.. when one says invincible you dont actually think they mean it to REALLY be invincible, if you have ever heard people talk about MOM's you would understand.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:19:00 - [39] Being able to warp at will to escape any threat = Invincible.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth FATAL sucks and you suck, go home and cry, you will lose in the end and nos will have a come back or let justice strike CCP down, hahaha. An excellent comeback! I haven't the slightest as to how I'll ever sleep tonight after that one. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:20:00 - [41] change (I fly nos setups) Recruitment FAQ
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Being able to warp at will to escape any threat = Invincible.. ' unless your being neuted... and the neut ship is a curse... and it's got a logistics ship pumping it with cap... ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Ethan Hunte	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:23:00 - [43] this is not a discussion thread, it's a petition thread, go discuss and clutter elsehwere. /signed
Syriano Keldon	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:24:00 - [44] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Being able to warp at will to escape any threat = Invincible.. thats why they bumped mom's.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:24:00 - [45] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 31/07/2007 03:25:30 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Being able to warp at will to escape any threat = Invincible.. ' unless your being neuted... and the neut ship is a curse... and it's got a logistics ship pumping it with cap... And what brain dead mommy pilot won't have hit the warp button as soon as he see's any ship capable of draining his cap to prevent warp? As long as he initiates warp first then you could put as many points on and drain him as much as you want to no effect.. Originally by: Ethan Hunte this is not a discussion thread, it's a petition thread, go discuss and clutter elsehwere. /signed yah your right.. but sometimes i just can't help it.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:28:00 - [46] I understand that CCP needs to deal with alot of stuff and make everybody happy and try to balance everything, but this nerf is too much and made nos unusable really, a sig rad or tracking or something else would still kinda suck but it would be better and would not be so one sided and still make the whiners happy while not ****ing off the nos users too much, but that is finding the balance and trying to make everybody happy, the nerf was a little too much, it really was and you cant deny that, you just cant.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth I understand that CCP needs to deal with alot of stuff and make everybody happy and try to balance everything, but this nerf is too much and made nos unusable really, a sig rad or tracking or something else would still kinda suck but it would be better and would not be so one sided and still make the whiners happy while not **ing off the nos users too much, but that is finding the balance and trying to make everybody happy, the nerf was a little too much, it really was and you cant deny that, you just cant. Better a bit too much now vs no cahnge ever.. If it really breaks the game it will get tweaked no doubt.. So in ending insurance ftw until people adapt.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:32:00 - [48] Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 31/07/2007 03:32:36 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Sorum Daemoth I understand that CCP needs to deal with alot of stuff and make everybody happy and try to balance everything, but this nerf is too much and made nos unusable really, a sig rad or tracking or something else would still kinda suck but it would be better and would not be so one sided and still make the whiners happy while not ****ing off the nos users too much, but that is finding the balance and trying to make everybody happy, the nerf was a little too much, it really was and you cant deny that, you just cant. Better a bit too much now vs no cahnge ever.. If it really breaks the game it will get tweaked no doubt.. So in ending insurance ftw until people adapt.. you got a really good point actually, so now that i have had my two cents, i will see how much damage a Blaster domi with ogre 2's can deal muahaha
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:34:00 - [49] lets try to kill all the solo pvp godness u can find shall we? bad nerf and totally uncalled for
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 31/07/2007 03:32:36 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Sorum Daemoth I understand that CCP needs to deal with alot of stuff and make everybody happy and try to balance everything, but this nerf is too much and made nos unusable really, a sig rad or tracking or something else would still kinda suck but it would be better and would not be so one sided and still make the whiners happy while not **ing off the nos users too much, but that is finding the balance and trying to make everybody happy, the nerf was a little too much, it really was and you cant deny that, you just cant. Better a bit too much now vs no cahnge ever.. If it really breaks the game it will get tweaked no doubt.. So in ending insurance ftw until people adapt.. you got a really good point actually, so now that i have had my two cents, i will see how much damage a Blaster domi with ogre 2's can deal muahaha Indeed.. ^^ I have all sorts of setups I want to try now that cap isn't going to vanish in the first 15 seconds or so of combat.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Alis Aquilae	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Sorum Daemoth if you want fear dont let it come from frigs, let it come from the curse and vaga, and it makes it all that much better when ou beat one, the vaga aint hard with a proper swtup but the curse,oo the curse, beat one of them solo and you feel good for months. Just out of curiousity, do you really feel the game is better having such dominant ships? There is a reason people feel good for a few months when they take one out. Because most of the time, if the pilot is skilled, knows how to picks targets properly, and picks you, you WON'T beat it. Why not..spread the love around a little bit?
Zerv Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:51:00 - [52] Not sure if this is the best way to fix Nos........
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:56:00 - [53] Originally by: necranomicon i tried asking the local system about it and got not one happy response about the nerf, try it CCP. haha, the local system speaks for us all I guess. Change is good. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Seisha Paradisium New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.07.31 05:52:00 - [54] oh hellz yeah. /SIGNED X10 --- I DETECT SPACE WHALES
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:05:00 - [55] Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 31/07/2007 06:05:56 What was the eve mantra back in the old days again? Oh yeah, I remember, Adapt Or Die. change All this means is I have to find a new setup for my nosdomi. -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales
Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:13:00 - [56] Oi vei. Haven't mods said petition threads are a nono? that said... /change. And about damn time. Both for Khanid & for Nos. ----- free bree!
Mississippi Gunn	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:38:00 - [57] See above for whiners who want their "I-WIN' buttons back. Long live the resurgence of ships smaller then a BS! UNsinged
PCaBoo Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:41:00 - [58] /signed. Fix something that needs fixing, like the bugs. Nos isn't an i-win button. It severely gimps your DPS output or tank if you fit one. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:43:00 - [59] Originally by: PCaBoo /signed. Fix something that needs fixing, like the bugs. Nos isn't an i-win button. It severely gimps your DPS output or tank if you fit one. battleship AF nos equal pointless fight any ship that was made to tackle larger ships was pointless ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Mississippi Gunn	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:47:00 - [60] I think opening up whole ship classes again to be actually able to participate again in combat is a great use of their time. If you don't like their game leave.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:59:00 - [61] Edited by: Banana Torres on 31/07/2007 06:58:52 So not signed. Best change eva!
Arkios Odymei D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:16:00 - [62] CHANGE!!! I like the nos fix. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:18:00 - [63] I'd just like to say that I only fly Amarrian ships, I'm regularly in a Curse, and that I quite like the changes. Not signed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
the rainingdeath The humble Crew Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:22:00 - [64] /signed
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:31:00 - [65] not signed something had to be done something has been done deal with it.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:40:00 - [66] /Signed Say NO to the NOS nerf
Nirtulys Gallente Bitynas	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:41:00 - [67] /signed
Shadow Dream Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:41:00 - [68] /Signed and IBIK
Dax Bandar Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:43:00 - [69] Change, this has been a long time coming. About time some more exciting ship fittings for fighting were made to happen.
Marine Commander	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:45:00 - [70] /signed
Colonel Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:47:00 - [71] /Signed
Red Azur	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:48:00 - [72] /Signed
Shadow Servant	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:48:00 - [73] /signed
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:50:00 - [74] /signed ### I nearly finish carriers, and they nerf it. I nearly finish Amarr recons, and they make them useless. Vagabond pilots beware... I have bought Minmatar Cruiser.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:57:00 - [75] /change I love it all you need to do is have a ship which eats its cap like theres no tommorow and nos are just like they used to be, so dual rep, mwd amarr battleships 4tw
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence /change I love it all you need to do is have a ship which eats its cap like theres no tommorow and nos are just like they used to be, so dual rep, mwd amarr battleships 4tw How many ppl have you killed ? Nos is Crucial for the Geddon and the Apoc . Dummy Say NO to the NOS nerf
Getschi Mining and Trading Corp Old Merchant's Club	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:08:00 - [77] /signed And if it come then dont use the nerf for the Curse and Pilgrim!
Missy Elliot	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:09:00 - [78] Signed Why do BS keep getting nerfed - frig-> bs is not right! BS is a just a showdow of itself What role is the bs now?
brutoxr	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:35:00 - [79] /signed
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:46:00 - [80] Not signed, this is finally the end of the NOS craze that has been going on by far too long. We're sorry, something happened.
JarJar Binks	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:48:00 - [81] /Signed
Wynona	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:50:00 - [82] Signed So after how many years all of a sudden it's overpowered? (like most nerfs) Nerfing seem like the lazy mans way to appease whiners who clog CCP's inbox re: getting pwnd. If it was me, and I was hired to appease them, I'd give them counter mods and more carrot-on-a-stick counter skills to keep them busy and call it good. But I don't appease whiners, so just ignore them and maybe they'll go away.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Missy Elliot Signed Why do BS keep getting nerfed - frig-> bs is not right! BS is a just a showdow of itself What role is the bs now? Fit neut instead of nos and you will still get the frigs. We're sorry, something happened.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:52:00 - [84] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence /change I love it all you need to do is have a ship which eats its cap like theres no tommorow and nos are just like they used to be, so dual rep, mwd amarr battleships 4tw How many ppl have you killed ? Nos is Crucial for the Geddon and the Apoc . Dummy Yeah thats my point, amarr ships use loads of cap so they'll always be able to nos But anyway, not the right thread to discuss it....
Laudicia Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:59:00 - [85] Edited by: Laudicia on 31/07/2007 08:58:57 signed
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.07.31 08:59:00 - [86] more the signed! ->My Vids<-
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:04:00 - [87] (not signed on so many levels. Op, your so very wrong) Any pvper knows how imbalanced NOS are in their current format. Any halfwit who's watched the recent tournaments and watched NOS & damps dominate the strategies knows it too. The people that don't are in denial, or are not wanting balance be brought back into the game.
Nathan Kundi	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:10:00 - [88] NOS: /SIGNED Khanid: WTF not signed
Zerv Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:39:00 - [89] signed
Shadow Daemoth Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:42:00 - [90] /signed
Amy Tr'ader	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:47:00 - [91] /Signed if you don't change nos then give the domi a powergrid able to fit 6 large rails/blasters
Mortecai Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:48:00 - [92] not signed. Didn't bother to read the thread, but this nos change is good. Need to kill hostiles cap? Use a neutralizer. Need juice? suck it from another target when you are low on cap. I am amarr speced, but I welcome this change. We just gonna adapt like always.
Esculia	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:50:00 - [93] Change
ChapterMaster	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:52:00 - [94] /signed, way to go, as if Being amarr wasnt bad enough you managed to find another way to gimp it. congratulations CCP, for producing blood from a stone.
JennyCraigSuccessStory Hi Friend	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:55:00 - [95] signed. Use diminishing returns if anything.
Zibun Ionic Minmatar Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:00:00 - [96] No for Nos nerfing, absolutely. I fly amarr ships and use nosses, but I can imagine ways to defeat my setups, so they're balanced and fair! /me SIGNED -z Cloaca Maxima - The Sewage of Amarr Empire.
Lucus Ranger Gallente Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:00:00 - [97] Change /Prince of Darkness at your service.. Disclaimer: None of my ideas or posting reflects my Alliance/Corp in any way
Vermin Fiend	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:03:00 - [98] They are freakin' losers who wants nosses to be nerfed. Signed! -Vermy
Tao Han Caldari Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:06:00 - [99] Edited by: Tao Han on 31/07/2007 10:06:57 not signed, go CCP! Adapt and overcome.
William Mortus Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:09:00 - [100] Change Best patch ever
ChapterMaster	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Mallikan NOT signed. Grow the hell up and quit crying, all of you. And you honestly think your silly little petition is going to change anything? If the devs believe something is not working the way they intended, why should they keep it the way it is? In my opinion it's good. It'll change up the whole strategy a bit. And yeah, boohoo, hurts the Curse. Well go cry about it and figure out a new way to build a solo pwnmobile. Honestly, this crap about "I am teh going teh leev eve if teh devz dun stop it" is completely childish. If a simple nerf is going to make you leave, perhaps you won't be missed. And look whos holding a bunch of sour grapes, guess you have never played Amarr
Bonny Lee Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:38:00 - [102] /change best change for a long time. I love to try some tank-setups ^^ My current PvP-ships all have NOSes fitted. Im glad i can change my setups now.
Gabriel Karade Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:42:00 - [103] Originally by: Vermin Fiend They are freakin' losers who wants nosses to be nerfed. Signed! -Vermy awww... aren't you cute \not signed ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Korben Morat Caldari Special Circumstances.	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:47:00 - [104] totally not signed. As a caldari / Amarr specced char (over 10Mil sp's in both gunnery and missiles) I love this change. Also my curse on test is still pretty uber, just drop the cookie cutter setups and try adapting. When the missile changes and new skills came in everyone including myself whined, now I love them. These changes are great, at last the amarr; 1. are more resistant to nos 2. have the ability to do all damage types with no cap use and incredible resists Now all CCP have to do is make the compensation skills not work with EAN's and we have a win for amarr! Have you noticed that amarr generally have more cap and cap recharge then anyone? means that neuts are amarr friendly now Blow your opponents cap to bits and still have some to spare
Emsee Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:47:00 - [105] /Change
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:26:00 - [106] /signed --------------
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:26:00 - [107] /signed --------------
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:29:00 - [108] Originally by: Korben Morat totally not signed. As a caldari / Amarr specced char (over 10Mil sp's in both gunnery and missiles) I love this change. Also my curse on test is still pretty uber, just drop the cookie cutter setups and try adapting. When the missile changes and new skills came in everyone including myself whined, now I love them. These changes are great, at last the amarr; 1. are more resistant to nos 2. have the ability to do all damage types with no cap use and incredible resists Now all CCP have to do is make the compensation skills not work with EAN's and we have a win for amarr! Have you noticed that amarr generally have more cap and cap recharge then anyone? means that neuts are amarr friendly now Blow your opponents cap to bits and still have some to spare I hope this is a fake post because damn you are clueless.
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:29:00 - [109] Originally by: Korben Morat totally not signed. As a caldari / Amarr specced char (over 10Mil sp's in both gunnery and missiles) I love this change. Also my curse on test is still pretty uber, just drop the cookie cutter setups and try adapting. When the missile changes and new skills came in everyone including myself whined, now I love them. These changes are great, at last the amarr; 1. are more resistant to nos 2. have the ability to do all damage types with no cap use and incredible resists Now all CCP have to do is make the compensation skills not work with EAN's and we have a win for amarr! Have you noticed that amarr generally have more cap and cap recharge then anyone? means that neuts are amarr friendly now Blow your opponents cap to bits and still have some to spare I hope this is a fake post because damn you are clueless.
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:39:00 - [110] /signed Ridiculous nerf, Nos needs to be nerfed yes, but this is the single worst "swing and a miss" change in eve history Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Heckler Koh	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:40:00 - [111] /signed
Soulbound Bob Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:43:00 - [112] Energy Neutralizers kids. You must understand that anyone asking you to give money to get money is scamming you one way or another.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:43:00 - [113] /signed Nos needs fixing, yes, but this is not the way to do it. Izo Azlion. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.
Bumbum George	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:48:00 - [114] Change!
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:49:00 - [115] Hijack my sig if you care about the NOS Say NO to the NOS nerf
Daimos Bellurdan Black Reign FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:52:00 - [116] change its about time
SirMolly	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:54:00 - [117] /signed
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:00:00 - [118] /signed
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:05:00 - [119] This still won't change anything. But it's cute watching you try. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Drykor Minmatar Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:59:00 - [120] Totally NOT signed. NOS has been dominating pvp for too long. Besides, nos/neut combination ships will still be great. It might not even be enough to get those people out of those damn cookie cutter domi's. But we'll see.
Polinus	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:03:00 - [121] I aprove teh changes
Korben Morat Caldari Special Circumstances.	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:08:00 - [122] Originally by: Raevenor Originally by: Korben Morat totally not signed. As a caldari / Amarr specced char (over 10Mil sp's in both gunnery and missiles) I love this change. Also my curse on test is still pretty uber, just drop the cookie cutter setups and try adapting. When the missile changes and new skills came in everyone including myself whined, now I love them. These changes are great, at last the amarr; 1. are more resistant to nos 2. have the ability to do all damage types with no cap use and incredible resists Now all CCP have to do is make the compensation skills not work with EAN's and we have a win for amarr! Have you noticed that amarr generally have more cap and cap recharge then anyone? means that neuts are amarr friendly now Blow your opponents cap to bits and still have some to spare I hope this is a fake post because damn you are clueless.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:09:00 - [123] All for the Change! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:11:00 - [124] /change
Drgnn CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:20:00 - [125] /signed
Scordaf Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:20:00 - [126] /signed Yet another tool of the close combat tanker ruined. We may as well all fly Vagabond's and Nanophoon's.
Helllooo	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:36:00 - [127] /signed! Dont Nerf Nos!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:43:00 - [128] Originally by: Scordaf /signed Yet another tool of the close combat tanker ruined. We may as well all fly Vagabond's and Nanophoon's. You failing to remember that main concept on nanophoon is the use of 4 heavy nos. Without the uber NOS tacking nanoships will be much easier, sicen they wont shutdown the inties. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:43:00 - [129] /signed , change the bonuses of amarr ships or change nos nerf to one of these: 1. Signature radius to Nos. 2. Dropping NOS leech amounts. 3. Stacking penalty to Nos.
necronarcosis Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:44:00 - [130] change
Captain Kaizoku Deniz Mahsulleri Ofisi	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:44:00 - [131] /signed
Tellok Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:47:00 - [132] change,, woot about time :)))
Master Spoonman Enclave Services	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:48:00 - [133] Originally by: Cyan Gadarin I'll agree to the nerf if they add an exception for the bhallgorn/curse/pilgrim. I agree completely. I'm training up to get a curse now but am a bit wary because now I'm not sure how they'll fare up as a NOS boat post-patch. *** Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me
Shyressa	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:59:00 - [134] /signed
Cyan Gadarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:02:00 - [135] Originally by: Mallikan NOT signed. Grow the hell up and quit crying, all of you. And you honestly think your silly little petition is going to change anything? If the devs believe something is not working the way they intended, why should they keep it the way it is? In my opinion it's good. It'll change up the whole strategy a bit. And yeah, boohoo, hurts the Curse. Well go cry about it and figure out a new way to build a solo pwnmobile. Honestly, this crap about "I am teh going teh leev eve if teh devz dun stop it" is completely childish. If a simple nerf is going to make you leave, perhaps you won't be missed. Regarding the latter part of your post: I'm one of the few that will be cancelling my accounts. None of this oh oh i might do. I am currently selling all 3 of my chars and MIGHT just MIGHT play with one. Sick of the nerf bat and the desyncs.
TheZapper Amarr Sausage Kings of Dallas	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:11:00 - [136] /signed
Standard Deviation	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:15:00 - [137] Edited by: Standard Deviation on 31/07/2007 14:17:13 not signed - NOS is borked, its way overpowered and is crap. Most people who post /sign here need to adapt and drop that crutch you have been fitting on your ships. The game is better without NOS being overpowered. Blaag could use a new bonus though, Curse and pilgrim are still incredibly good ships. If you dont think so hop on sisi. They just are no longer over powered. Love how people all want great combat, but when their overpowered crap gets nerfed they whine worse then miners and mission runners. Makes you wonder who the real carebears are.
iLoveYour TastyNoobTears	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:16:00 - [138] /change Nerf all these nubs too
Khamal Jolstien	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:25:00 - [139] /Change I'll finally be able to try something other than a cookie-cutter setup. Diversity is coming back to eve.
Clean Acceptable Losses	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:53:00 - [140] I only agree if the Curse / Pilgrim and the geddon faction ship stay the same !!! Fix what realy need to get fixed
Crusix Bargoth Amarr Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:57:00 - [141] Originally by: Standard Deviation Edited by: Standard Deviation on 31/07/2007 14:17:13 not signed - NOS is borked, its way overpowered and is crap. Most people who post /sign here need to adapt and drop that crutch you have been fitting on your ships. The game is better without NOS being overpowered. Curse and pilgrim are still incredibly good ships. If you dont think so hop on sisi. They just are no longer over powered. Love how people all want great combat, but when their overpowered crap gets nerfed they whine worse then miners and mission runners. Makes you wonder who the real carebears are. QFT, All of you whining about the Nos fix, are just a bunch of lamers, your afraid of a straight up fight so you used NOS to kill the opponent before he could dust you. Man up. Fire your guns, and fight with a spine. You want real PvP? drop that Nos, and welcome to a real mans Eve. Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar nerf ponies!!1one
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.31 14:59:00 - [142] A petition lol, /not signed.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:03:00 - [143] Originally by: Kagura Nikon All for the Change! /me gives +5 implants , hopefully this will give you some thinking power Say NO to the NOS nerf
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:04:00 - [144] Originally by: heheheh A petition lol, /not signed. Die traitor Say NO to the NOS nerf
Trovarion Gallente Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:12:00 - [145] Edited by: Trovarion on 31/07/2007 15:13:19 with the nos nerf and khanid mkII Amarr is now truly gimped. Good thing I just finished training for Curse. can I have my skillpoints back please? well done. Custom made EVE Sigs and Graphics
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 15:18:00 - [146] Originally by: Trovarion Edited by: Trovarion on 31/07/2007 15:13:19 with the nos nerf and khanid mkII Amarr is now truly gimped. Good thing I just finished training for Curse. can I have my skillpoints back please? well done. Well said Trov - so ccp: can I also have my skill points back pse? C. - sig designer - eve mail
Sonof Fisto	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:09:00 - [147] /signed nerfing PVP aspects of the game not broken because of the victims is wrong, might as well change the name to SpaceWOW.....
Banker Bilo	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:17:00 - [148] /signed
Securion Wolfheart Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:19:00 - [149] /Change ! -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
Meleia	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:20:00 - [150] /Change
Kusariqqu Gallente CCCP INC	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:21:00 - [151] / Signed. But if you are gonna nerf nos ccp nerf nano ships as well so the fastest thing in the dam game is a ceptor and nothing else.
Niedar MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:22:00 - [152] Edited by: Niedar on 31/07/2007 16:22:53 Its pretty simple thinking to me, frigates should not be able to hold down any BS indefinately all by themselves, in groups yes they could do this thats fine. There is no change needed for nos and out of all the changes possible this change is the most rediculous one I have seen. ------------------
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:26:00 - [153] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Trovarion Edited by: Trovarion on 31/07/2007 15:13:19 with the nos nerf and khanid mkII Amarr is now truly gimped. Good thing I just finished training for Curse. can I have my skillpoints back please? well done. Well said Trov - so ccp: can I also have my skill points back pse? C. Did minmatar pilots got back all the billions they spent on nanophoons when the nanonerf hit? Stop complaining like little childs! the only ones tat complain are the ones that want solopown machines! If you can have your uber NOs i want nanos back to how they were! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Bodhisattvas mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:28:00 - [154] Signed. Ships with nos/neut bonus should receive a compensating boost. Over night just changing amarr to *ldari missiles boats? the logic please.... Amarr pilots i know spent such a long time training gunnery with trace missile skills And now ???? Spose it might be one way to solve some lag problems....50% amarr race leave game thru ****** game ??"upgrades"??
Carl Bowmore North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:28:00 - [155] Change
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:29:00 - [156] Originally by: Bodhisattvas Signed. Ships with nos/neut bonus should receive a compensating boost. Over night just changing amarr to *ldari missiles boats? the logic please.... Amarr pilots i know spent such a long time training gunnery with trace missile skills And now ???? Spose it might be one way to solve some lag problems....50% amarr race leave game thru ****** game ??"upgrades"?? Khanid were missile boat when they were introduced in game, they are just correctign the mess they made when they changed khanid. Stop complainign like useless childs and learn a second weapon system like ALL OTHER RACES have to do. All this is a huge boost to ammar, what ungrateful people. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Nate D New Atlantis Tek Corporation The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:33:00 - [157] I agree that NOS should be nerfed and I think CCP is on the right track but I think this nerf is slightly larger than what I'd like to see. -Nate
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:50:00 - [158] /change Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
darkmancer	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:51:00 - [159] /change - it's the best change to pvp combat in years. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:56:00 - [160] Edited by: PhantomVyper on 31/07/2007 16:56:34 Originally by: Cyan Gadarin Regarding the latter part of your post: I'm one of the few that will be cancelling my accounts. None of this oh oh i might do. I am currently selling all 3 of my chars and MIGHT just MIGHT play with one. Sick of the nerf bat and the desyncs. It is human nature to not enjoy change unless they actually wanted it to happen. The things i enjoyed about this game are gradually being removed due to whiners and to be honest, im not sure if thats a community i want to be part of anymore. Good, don't let the door hit you on your way out. And in case you haven't noticed, you're the one who's whinning here... And can I have your stuff please?
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:00:00 - [161] /change I'm not sure that this is the best possible NOS fix, and I hope there will be tweaks for specific ships, but even as is the game will be better and more interesting than it is now. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Sebesto Minmatar Destination Unknown	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:10:00 - [162] /signed
Jacques Danton Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:54:00 - [163] /change If you ask me taking NOS completely out of the game would be even better. You want to restore your cap - there are cap boosters. You want to drain the enemy's cap - there are cap neutralizers. You want cheap and free gimmicks - then it's your problem... adapt or die... on second thought take that "adapt" away...
Father Muslum	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:56:00 - [164] /signed
Vladimir Ramanov Amarr Omiracon Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:08:00 - [165] Didn't we have this kind of argument 2 years ago with missiles. Nos is way overpowered as missiles were. This has been long on the cards, get over it and adapt. As for Khanid Mk2, interesting looking changes. Oh and before anybody asks I do fly both the Curse and Pilgrim or rather did fly the Curse, it got to boring.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:12:00 - [166] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 31/07/2007 18:13:26 Originally by: Zibun Ionic No for Nos nerfing, absolutely. I fly amarr ships and use nosses, but I can imagine ways to defeat my setups, so they're balanced and fair! /me SIGNED -z Lets see..... Who uses the most Cap. Amarr. Who is always desperately low on Cap. Amarr Who is most susceptable to NOS because of their reliance on Cap. Amarr. Because of the above: Who is going to have less cap than their opponents in 90% of the situations. Amarr Since they have less cap than their opponents, who's NOS is still going to work in 90% of all situations. Amarr Who's opponents are going to have MORE cap than their enemy and hence their NOS isn't going to work? Amarr. This is an Amarr BUFF, not nerf. /So not signed - I doubt that CCP had intended NOS to be a primary weapon system, they are just fixing it now. Any module that is a "must have" for any fit to be effective needs to be re-evaluated. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:14:00 - [167] /NOT signed Although I don't like the nature of the change, nerfing NOS is way overdue. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
PCaBoo Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Mississippi Gunn If you don't like their game leave. Have fun playing with yourself. If you wanted to play alone, you should've started a different game. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:26:00 - [169] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby This is an Amarr BUFF, not nerf. Indeed.. So if you still want to drain your enemys cap dry using nos only then just fit the most cap hungry lasers you can find and watch your cap drain right alongside his.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Human Cattle Amarr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:29:00 - [170] Edited by: Human Cattle on 31/07/2007 18:33:42 I am very new to eve but Nos is obviously an overpowered weapon when used on a ship that can supplement it's damage sources. It breaks a rule, that something which harms your enemy can not also benefit yourself inversely, a Nos takes their energy, decreases (could even kill) their tank and fire power, increases your tank and makes what firepower you have so much more effective Vs their tank which is probably non-existant as they've ran out of cap. Very quickly all ship combat could be reduced to Nos fests where even small amounts of damage are technically massive as the other player's tank has collapsed. The new Nos system is far more logical and tactical, and surely can only benefit good players. People who are moaning about this reveal themselves to be skilless, cookie cutter 'fotm' gamers, imho, you get them on all mmo's and they all whine when the game gets rebalanced. As for the Kahnid ships, I've obviously never used them (I fly a simple punisher frigate!), but a missile boat being able to armour tank and pack EW/tackle in it's mids is surely a good thing, it's like a reversal of caldari ships and thus what appperently 'gimps' them for PvP - that they have trouble tanking and fitting tackle/EW as it fills up the mid slots and their lows are needed for damage mods/support systems. Also the resistances on the restyled vengence assault frigate seem quite nice. -------------- unhappy cogs :(((
Galyrion Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:33:00 - [171] Please stop whining about nos nerf, everyone with a little insight understands that this change is desperatly needed. Frigates will not be able to hold down a bs even after this nos change. Answer will be to fit neutrilizers instead. This change will also help most amarr ships using lasers and I think that is great as they are desperate cap users and still might benefit from using nos.
Kengari	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:34:00 - [172] I've gotta agree with this change. However curse and pilgrim might need changes to their bonuses to keep them inline with other recons.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:40:00 - [173] Originally by: Kengari I've gotta agree with this change. However curse and pilgrim might need changes to their bonuses to keep them inline with other recons. Curse/Pilgrim already have bonuses to neuts so they are really going to be largly uneffected by this change.. How you fit and use them of course is going to need some rethinking but thats what is so fun about basic gameplay changes.. If forces you to try something different and at the heart of it I think thats were most of the anti-nos change angst is coming from.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
PathetiQ Gallente The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:42:00 - [174] /signed, worst nerf ever
Frances Ducoir VEB Kombinat Robotron	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:52:00 - [175] Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 31/07/2007 19:54:07 nos: signed khanid: change nos nerf goes too far. make it cap dependent but not the way it is now! you can not see the cap of your opponent and when he has less then you, your nos are useless. just make the cap draining depend on the percentage of the cap the enemy ship has: enemy cap @ 40% -> nos effectivity: 40%
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:55:00 - [176] Can we hold the nos nerf for another year? .. I was about to train amarr cruiser 5. to go in line with my gallente t2 counter parts to fly curse... no more curse dreams :( /signed dont hurt nos!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:08:00 - [177] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby This is an Amarr BUFF, not nerf. Indeed.. So if you still want to drain your enemys cap dry using nos only then just fit the most cap hungry lasers you can find and watch your cap drain right alongside his.. As compared to before where you NOS'd him, he NOS'd you and your cap failed first because of your lasers.... But you are right this can happen. I can imaging 2 NOS Domis that failed to adapt (or didn't read the patch notes when it releases) in a death spiral of NOS and Drones NOS is now more of a defensive module, no longer a primary weapon system. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Asterixm Minmatar Flying Reblochons Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:10:00 - [178] /signed
Grackis	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:20:00 - [179] This Nerf Makes No logical Sence and there Explination of it is Ridiculus. And the fact they say there is no "sacrafice" to use NOS is ********. ever hear of "HIGH SLOTS!" yeah thats right to use the NOS we have to Sacrafice our high slots! what a freaking joke. Get a clue CCP stop nerfing PvP or lose out on a large amount of your playerbase.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:23:00 - [180] I'm going to bite the bullet and say *change*. I fly mainly Nos Domi uber pwn all setups, but you know what? 30 mins on sisi and I've got my new ships/setups sorted. People whining about the changes are just too lazy to adapt.
throbbinnoggin Gallente Eminent Domain	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:31:00 - [181] /change Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Chromakey Dreamcoat	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:32:00 - [182] /change
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:33:00 - [183] /signed NOS needs something, but this isn't it.
ChimeraRouge Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:34:00 - [184] /change
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:35:00 - [185] Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK Can we hold the nos nerf for another year? .. I was about to train amarr cruiser 5. to go in line with my gallente t2 counter parts to fly curse... no more curse dreams :( /signed dont hurt nos! The nerfbat always swings around. I'm a Caldari, and they nerfed the Drake, so get used to it... Nerf NOS! ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Erlik Draknor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:36:00 - [186] /change NERF NOS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Lollercaust Warhead Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:38:00 - [187] /change and I think dampeners should be fixed too, they are much too overpowered even on ships without bonuses.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:58:00 - [188] /change ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:00:00 - [189] /CHANGE I'm gonna tell some of you the same thing you told us caldari pilots when the sheild recharge rate was increased, Adapt, we sure did, you can too Unable to unanchor batteries? Dont dispair, it's not a bug its a feature
CagedRage BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:04:00 - [190] Edited by: CagedRage on 31/07/2007 21:04:30 I'd like the change more if I didn't use nos. I fly curse and an Eos (that I fit 4 nos on). I'd also like it if I didn't have 3 corpum a-type medium nos... Thus loosing me close to half a billion isk, just at the flick of a switch. Heh. Made sure I bought up some faction neuts to balance it a bit though...
matsimo akura	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:09:00 - [191] we are pretty much tied for change and not change right now, i counted 60 - 60, for notchange to change
KentachiSamurai g guild	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:12:00 - [192] /Change Nos has been unbalanced for far too long!
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:12:00 - [193] /signed Unless you can see how much cap is left by the opponent, and that INCLUDES NPC ships
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:12:00 - [194] Change it to being sig-based or dependent on only the target's cap levels.
Seonae Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:18:00 - [195] /signed
Chelone	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:23:00 - [196] /signed (not that it will help...)
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:25:00 - [197] signed i was hoping for an amar omph, not a kick in the **** Lucy, under the street Light - Everytime you shoot me, CCP kills a carebear. - Could somebody please think of the carebears?
Matthew Johnson Gallente Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:31:00 - [198] /change +++ Trade...good for you, good for me +++
Christari Zuborov Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:36:00 - [199] /signed As of this post: 67 for the change 81 against it +/- around 10 as some are difficult to tell who's for or against with their comments. If you have to say something outside of /signed, or /change, fine - do it - but do it after leading your post with your vote.
Revenant Penance	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:38:00 - [200] /change Been waiting a long time for this. I lost a 1v1 Geddon vs Domi on test server last night. I have maxed skills and the domi was 3 months old. Bye bye 60 mill isk pwnmobile :) I hope the amarr recons have their bonuses tweaked a tad though to compensate. Wonder if these changes will be in place before the next PVP tourny? That could be cool. Rev
Dangerous Daswe	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:49:00 - [201] Signed, leave my NOS and Amarr ships how they are thank you ccp
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:52:00 - [202] Edited by: Hannobaal on 31/07/2007 21:52:28 /signed (regarding nos, the Khanid changes sound good to me) ------------------
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:57:00 - [203] There are several things in this game I'd like to change. NOS isn't one of them.
Red Gabba JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:58:00 - [204] /signed While i don't think this will affect my Domi tank much. I just feel that this game is interesting because out there there really is ships that are hard to kill and set ups that give a advantage, if it all becomes sameish then the game will quickly become boring. JuBa Corp
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:04:00 - [205] Originally by: Agent Li I'm a Caldari, and they nerfed the Drake, (..) Sorry, but couldn't resist. On topic: I hate complain petitions. Reminds me about WoW forums. Anyway.. /change CCP, I take my hat off to you for the bold move to finally change Nos. The complaints were foreseeable. Just do it. I'd still favour a different approach, but any change is better than none. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well.. -
Azrael Maxim Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:08:00 - [206] Originally by: Red Gabba /signed While i don't think this will affect my Domi tank much. I just feel that this game is interesting because out there there really is ships that are hard to kill and set ups that give a advantage, if it all becomes sameish then the game will quickly become boring. Not a gripe on you personally but imo everybody already flies a nos domi, so its all the same, so its boring right ? I for one am looking forward to seeing some honest to god blaster domi's out there for once, they will rule.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:16:00 - [207] No bloody way. When my nosdomi with lvl3 skills can beat someone with lvl4 and lvl5 (not to mention tech II weapons) in a more expensive battleship you know there is a problem.. - Security Director Advanced Logistics SPAM: [url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=563255]Interdictor tweaks[/url]
Golden Helmet Caldari No way I'm going to Deep Core Mining	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:18:00 - [208] /signed
Dinkums Magoo	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:19:00 - [209] /signed
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:23:00 - [210] /change
Cansu	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:24:00 - [211] /signed it's the most ridiculous patch ever.
Layrex Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:27:00 - [212] /signed

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:28:00 - [213] Originally by: matsimo akura This is simple, and it is about the nos nerf. If you dont want nos nerfed and want the amarr ships to stay the same and want nos left alone and not messed with, just sign this post If you like the changes being made and want them to go ahead, just write change. that is all, if you want to discuss it, go to another thread. thank you. just writing signed or change is not acceptable content. there is an official feedback thread which the devs are monitoring. please post any constructive feedback there click forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD - Watch EVE TV


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