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tikinish	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:38:00 - [1] okey i just looking though the stories from the start once more while i was kind of bored, and i trip over this from the caldari story that i thought was kind of wierd/funny/annoying/senseless. "Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians." well first of, weaponry is the same all over the galaxy, and if you want to go into the ships and what it use mostly well then this doesn't make sense at all. 1: caldari got the lowest dps of all races: 2: they got the slowest ships with the highest signature at the same time. 3: they got the worst tanks (sense you will nerf your tank to use any ew, and the fact that the shield tank takes up a hell lot more cap then a armour tank ever will, isn't making it better). 4: got the worse pvp orientated ships (if you put all ships together and figure out how many pvp trumpf caldari has compared to any other race, maybe they could take out an amarr if they new it was amarr they where fighting, if they didn't well they would still be the worst pvper without doubt) 5: got the worst weaponry for pvp (very easy to get around, maybe a bit harder after the nano and nos nerf, but still way to easy). actually the only thing the caldari is supirior in is pve, and what kind if thing is that in a pvp game to be supirior in? yer it is nice but it really doesn't add up to the description. and then there is this description: "As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules." that just didn't make much sense, since the laws seems to be exectly the same with same punishment anywhere in any high sec system... O.o... what is the point with background stories if the ingame reality just go directly the opposite way with how it is, then the story say it should be?
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:41:00 - [2] Couldn't agree more, when I joined eve I chose the caldari as their RP suggested they were the uber pvp warrior race... who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:43:00 - [3] CCP attempt to keep the game as lcose to the backstory as they can, but that doesn't always add up in balanced ingame terms. I'm not saying Caldari is balanced. But come on, using the backstory as a whine is a bit silly isn't it --- ---
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:45:00 - [4] Still... kinda misleading, don't you think? ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Nero Scuro Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:47:00 - [5] The backstory also says every system in EVE should have two stars. --------- EVE is like a box of chocolates. omg nerf chocolates D:
Major Stallion Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Couldn't agree more, when I joined eve I chose the caldari as their RP suggested they were the uber pvp warrior race thats why theyve been the victim of so many nerfs. imagine if everyone played as caldari...oh nvm... ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:53:00 - [7] Remember, Caldari ships only suck in solo PvP. I don't know about you, but a fleet consisting of dozens of ravens with NOS or rail-based ECM scorpions and Rokhs as backup with close-range drakes for anti-frigate support would be pretty dangerous... ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
tikinish	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:06:00 - [8] Edited by: tikinish on 31/07/2007 20:12:50 no i am not whining or saying POWER THEM UP. i am just saying that they should alter the description when you make a charecter, my main is a caldari, i chose it from the description, now he is at around 20mill sp specified in missiles and bs's with lvl 5 in almost any skill that have to do with caldari bs piloting (no gunnery that is since caldari "should use missiles as their supirior tech of weaponry"). and i can't help wondering why the strongest race in the entire game (fighting other races pvp as the whole idea of the game) is the race with their descriptions as freed slaves ?! O.o i mean they made their ships out of paper and ducktape for crying out loud!. don't you think that a race that should "by the story" be concentreting and the pure effectivity of warmachines and not caring for the kvantity should be a bit stronger in the 1 on 1 aspect of the game?!.. i mean if this was reality, ****** wouldn't even have gotten into poland in the first place :P (just to take an exsample of how big a advantage the idea of pure kvolity and no mind for kvantity will be...) the reason he got that far was mainly because any warmachine he made was exstremely supirior in technologi, firepower and armour compared to anything else at that time. this is the same description that caldari has, although if it should match to the ingame it should say: caldari, as a race it have an exstremely effective weapon system to keep out unorganised pirates, but their war technologi is not made for conflicts against the other races. :P
tikinish	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Tarminic Remember, Caldari ships only suck in solo PvP. I don't know about you, but a fleet consisting of dozens of ravens with NOS or rail-based ECM scorpions and Rokhs as backup with close-range drakes for anti-frigate support would be pretty dangerous... would lose majorly since in a major pvp the time wasted on missiles actually hitting is way to high and if the target arn't locked down just warping away will wasted all those already firered shots. in fleets caldari is only effective if no one notice they are there, and even here they should shoot at secoundary or third target since the time for torp/cruise to reach and it will still wasted alot of shots... caldari just isn't a pvp race as it is. but the story still doesn't add up at all, they are not supirior in any way technological speaking. the story have no meaning as it is now, actually just a wasted of of text... (although i do injoy to read them when i can hold my mind from the ingame reality:P
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:17:00 - [10] I take it you've never run into a Burn Eden gatecamp? Originally by: Imperius Blackheart who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up Okay, that made me laugh .
tikinish	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Sakura Nihil I take it you've never run into a Burn Eden gatecamp? Originally by: Imperius Blackheart who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up Okay, that made me laugh . hehe yer, you can say that. when have the french ever have any succes in any other war then the civilwars of their own:P
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:39:00 - [12] Originally by: tikinish Originally by: Sakura Nihil I take it you've never run into a Burn Eden gatecamp? Originally by: Imperius Blackheart who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up Okay, that made me laugh . hehe yer, you can say that. when have the french ever have any succes in any other war then the civilwars of their own:P I don't think you can make military success claims regarding civil wars. Technically, you can't lose. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Asestorian CCP attempt to keep the game as lcose to the backstory as they can, but that doesn't always add up in balanced ingame terms. I'm not saying Caldari is balanced. But come on, using the backstory as a whine is a bit silly isn't it I wasn't whining incidently, just pointing out why I chose the race I did at the beginning, i'm sure that others who joined made the same mistake. The discription also said IIRC that caldari were the best bounty hunters, I kinda liked the idea of being a bounty hunter when I started but didn't realise its not really working in eve at the time. At the moment I am rather highly spec caldari only, I will at some point start cross dressing to gallente. Now I am a mercenary and been in several fleet battles in empire and 0.0 and I hold my own, i'm rather pleased tbh.. but occasioanlly wish I went gallente.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Now I am a mercenary and been in several fleet battles in empire and 0.0 and I hold my own, i'm rather pleased tbh.. but occasioanlly wish I went gallente. Blasterthrons, eh? ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:52:00 - [15] In a Racial-Only fleet battle, Caldari are pretty good when you think of a pure fleet of them. Just don't think of using the Raven as a long range damage platform. Let's see. Shield Tanking allows them to fit damage mods. Torps and Cruise aren't too bad at closer ranges. Railgun platforms (Read: Rokh, Moa, Harpy, Eagle) allows them to engage targets at ridiculous ranges for their size classes. And it doesn't take a lot of DPS to pop a primary when you have a dozen or so firing. ECM is still the most powerful fleet-sized EW System, both useful offensively and defensively. Damps are for closer in mostly. Slow Ships, Big Sig don't really matter all that much in a fleet scenario. Caldari usually have the best sensors in terms of range/locktime In a Sniper Fleet Duel, Minmatar Speed is largely negated, Target Painters are pretty worthless. Gallente Drones are useless, and so are Blasters. Amarrian Lasers have predictable damage, a very steep falloff, and their offensive EW is poor for this. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 31/07/2007 20:54:17 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Now I am a mercenary and been in several fleet battles in empire and 0.0 and I hold my own, i'm rather pleased tbh.. but occasioanlly wish I went gallente. Blasterthrons, eh? Moros > Phoenix Thanotos > Chimera Mega > Raven Domi > Scop The list could go on. the only caldari ship I wouldn't trade for a gallente really is my crow, I love my little speedy missile spamming tacklers. Could be a case of the grass always being greener, I don't mind terribly, just this thread got me wondering about why I am who I am in game atm :)
Kuranta	Posted - 2007.07.31 20:56:00 - [17] So you say, "The description says, Caldari are uber, the rest just HAS to be inferior." If that was true, nobody in his right mind would choose any other race, would he? Caldari still have best EW Ships (BB and Scorp) and a very good fleet BS (Rookh), recon and Cov Ops are nice as well, since Caldari got good missile skill anyway (see other posts as well) As you stated, Caldari are the best PvE race. Many would like to be their race that good in that field. But still, if you don't like the Caldari way, just pick a "PvP" race of your choice and skill it. No problem to do so. Caldari are as good as any other race. Know your strength, know your weakness. Engage or try to run. And don't come with "I just wanted to state that the description sucks!" (watching commercials, much?)
Llerrad Gabemid Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Couldn't agree more, when I joined eve I chose the caldari as their RP suggested they were the uber pvp warrior race... who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up LOL qft Ranch on my tossed salad please.
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:07:00 - [19] IIRC the jove BS needs Caldari skills to fly... well with that in mind... the caldari lost their great fathers... but if they ever make a return... be afraid, very afraid...
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:32:00 - [20] Originally by: tikinish and then there is this description: "As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules." that just didn't make much sense, since the laws seems to be exectly the same with same punishment anywhere in any high sec system... O.o... what is the point with background stories if the ingame reality just go directly the opposite way with how it is, then the story say it should be? Makes sense to me. Caldari are not individualists. They always work in groups of conformists. They obey orders. So, Caldari should always fight in a gang, with a leader. They should obey the leader. Funny how that works. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:48:00 - [21] All these "Caldari are too weak" threads make me want to specialize in Caldari ships. Gallente are not superior to Caldari. Their ships simply tend to fit the playing style of more Eve players (who often tend to be incapable of tactical creativity) than Caldari do (with a few exceptions like, obvious example, the Crow). Imagine a fleet of purely Caldari ships, all picked to perform a specific role and complement each other, working together as a fleet with combined arms tactics. I bet you it could wipe the floor with any similar fleet for any of the other races in Eve. ------------------
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Hannobaal All these "Caldari are too weak" threads make me want to specialize in Caldari ships. Gallente are not superior to Caldari. Their ships simply tend to fit the playing style of more Eve players (who often tend to be incapable of tactical creativity) than Caldari do (with a few exceptions like, obvious example, the Crow). Imagine a fleet of purely Caldari ships, all picked to perform a specific role and complement each other, working together as a fleet with combined arms tactics. I bet you it could wipe the floor with any similar fleet for any of the other races in Eve. For sure... that is besides the jovians returning also a thing to be very afraid about... I mean, with the ECM bonusses, you will be sitting ducks when such a fleet enters your system...
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:57:00 - [23] There is only one true 'solo' pvp race in eve and it starts with an M.
Dez Affinity Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:10:00 - [24] I hae to say I also regret my choice of Caldari, when I first started I thought, oh these seem like the more brute guys (most other avatars are a bit *) and description gives the impression they are good at PvP. Well needless to say it took a while for me to realise they aren't as competent as the other races in most aspects of PvP. I ended up feeling like I've gone too far to just suddenly crosstrain - still feel like that heh. Sure Caldari have their cool ships, you have your Drake with an impressive tank but traded for really bad DPS. You have your Scorp which has ** poor DPS but can turn a small gangs fight in your favour. You have the Crow which is a great tackler. Then you look at all the other ships among the other races, 800+ dps Myrmidon, heck I can only dream of 800 dps. The Myrm has me salivating. Infact I'm gonna train for it next, brb. _______________
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Drachma Golea Originally by: Hannobaal All these "Caldari are too weak" threads make me want to specialize in Caldari ships. Gallente are not superior to Caldari. Their ships simply tend to fit the playing style of more Eve players (who often tend to be incapable of tactical creativity) than Caldari do (with a few exceptions like, obvious example, the Crow). Imagine a fleet of purely Caldari ships, all picked to perform a specific role and complement each other, working together as a fleet with combined arms tactics. I bet you it could wipe the floor with any similar fleet for any of the other races in Eve. For sure... that is besides the jovians returning also a thing to be very afraid about... I mean, with the ECM bonusses, you will be sitting ducks when such a fleet enters your system... And not just the long-range ECM, but also imagine trying to get your tacklers anywhere near that fleet. They get instapopped at 70 km by concentrated fire from the longest ranged destroyers (with tech 2 rails and long-range ammo the Cormorant can go beyond 80 km) in Eve. And if they make it through that, the Crows' (the one fast interceptor that can go as fast as it wants without having to worry about tracking and can do great damage) missile fire chew them up. ------------------
Ichabod Crane LFC FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Nero Scuro The backstory also says every system in EVE should have two stars. Which are visible on the solar system map as very bright background stars that you cant warp to. -
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Hannobaal And not just the long-range ECM, but also imagine trying to get your tacklers anywhere near that fleet. They get instapopped at 70 km by concentrated fire from the longest ranged destroyers (with tech 2 rails and long-range ammo the Cormorant can go beyond 80 km) in Eve. And if they make it through that, the Crows' (the one fast interceptor that can go as fast as it wants without having to worry about tracking and can do great damage) missile fire chew them up. Every attempt I've seen of using destroyers to counter inteceptors and other tacklers has ended in dismal failure. HACs and certain BCs make much better choices for this role. Eagle works adequately for this, but most often the interceptor would just warp out and warp back in and try again -- the Munnin is more likely to get a clean kill. Crows. Well Crows aren't really going to be a great choice for shooting other interceptors. Their damage is anemic (not 'great') and very dependant on their targets not going so fast as to outrun their explosion velocities (which most interceptors will). So, in order to take out other interceptors, the Crow would have to web its target (no problem since they're quite fast), but this leaves the crow vulnerable to being webbed as well. A webbed Crow is going to lose the DPS war against just about anything, so it's probably best to stick to tackling the enemy's battleships with them and let other ships deal with destroying interceptors. The Crow's a great ship, but this just isn't a wonderful use for it. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:40:00 - [28] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/07/2007 22:43:08 It's fairly simple. Back in the day, caldari were the dominant race. Then came the wars, Caldari had to leave Caldari Prime(this was over a 100 years ago or so) and in these past, very turmoil filled years, things have gone to the worse. Look at the Amarr, the minmatar weren't any match for us, until we fought the Jovians and the Minmatar rebelled. The background stroy, tells of the glorious days of each race. The military superiority of caldari, the greatness of amarr empire, the brave struggle and fight for freedom of the minmatar and ..umm...well..guess there was some celebration when gallente built their first drone? No wonder they are so superior these days, they had no problems! Also, "strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology". Striving isn't same as accomplishing. And we have to also remember, these are written by their respected members, and who in their right mind would write "Well we as a caldari race are a bit silly and such." No, you glorify your race and even though caldari may seem "inferior", their weapons as such are not. In their own field. By the way, if you want to talk about the background story, the real life and all, don't use things like dps, "this game", and other silly terms. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Hannobaal on 31/07/2007 23:05:08 Originally by: Alexander Knott Every attempt I've seen of using destroyers to counter inteceptors and other tacklers has ended in dismal failure. Then you haven't seen much. Quote: HACs and certain BCs make much better choices for this role. Eagle works adequately for this, but most often the interceptor would just warp out and warp back in and try again -- the Munnin is more likely to get a clean kill. First of all, if the interceptor warps out in that situation, that's great. You kept it from doing its job. And you will in the second try as well. Secondly, it can't warp out if it dies in a single volley. And when 5 or more Cormorants fire at an interceptor, it does. It's amusing when you barely get on the killmail from a single one of your 7 guns having time to actually activate and fire after you lock cause the interceptor died so damn fast. (And the guns were cycled, so they all came on automatically right as I locked.) With tech 2 fittings they will do it at 70 km and beyond. In other words, more than 7 seconds out from the fleet for a 10 km/s interceptor. Thirdly, (in case you were talking about close range fighting, 1 v 1) any intelligently fitted Cormorant or Thrasher (even with pure tech 1 fittings) where the pilot has at least 4 in destroyer skill (for the tracking bonus) will either kill or drive off just about any interceptor. Either way, it has done its job. ------------------
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:12:00 - [30] Originally by: tikinish Originally by: Sakura Nihil I take it you've never run into a Burn Eden gatecamp? Originally by: Imperius Blackheart who would have thunk that in the future the french would be the best race for combat... thats screwed up Okay, that made me laugh . hehe yer, you can say that. when have the french ever have any succes in any other war then the civilwars of their own:P Napoleon ring any bells? -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --

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