That is why I add a tank to my Mack (as opposed to optimizing) and keep an alt in a Vulture floating in system :).

Do the bot miners use haulers or just fill their hold and run back and forth?

Why don't you report them? Destroying their ships doesn't seem to matter. If you really care about bot mining that is.

Why don't you report them? Destroying their ships doesn't seem to matter. If you really care about bot mining that is.

Because they want to pretend their suicide ganking has a point beyond increasing demand for minerals.

Good for you, but why should we care?

If you are not a bot miner, then you should care because bots depress the value of the material you are mining.

Doesn't it **** you off that someone else is stealing your income by breaking the rules of the game?

If it does not, then please contact me IG. I have some faction ships for trade in station at a good price. Honest.

If you are not a bot miner, then you should care because bots depress the value of the material you are mining.

Doesn't it **** you off that someone else is stealing your income by breaking the rules of the game?

If it does not, then please contact me IG. I have some faction ships for trade in station at a good price. Honest.

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Or maybe I feel you are not doing enough. Pod the bots, run locator agents to see where they have thier clone bays and if they continue to undock in newbie ships, and keep podding them till they lose enough skill points that they can't fly their ships?

Or that the proper course of action is to report/petition the botters, allowing ccp to observe the repetative behavior of the accounts, leading to account bans, instead of disrupting that cycle, making ccp have to work harder to have evidence for a ban?

Or maybe I feel you are not doing enough. Pod the bots, run locator agents to see where they have thier clone bays and if they continue to undock in newbie ships, and keep podding them till they lose enough skill points that they can't fly their ships?

Or perhaps, just perhaps, I'm bored at work, trolling you, and will be contrary no matter what you say simply so I have sinething to do!

That is why I add a tank to my Mack (as opposed to optimizing) and keep an alt in a Vulture floating in system :).

Do the bot miners use haulers or just fill their hold and run back and forth?

You do realize that ganking is one of the big reasons there are so many bots in the first place?

Bot miners can afford to replace ships easily, loosing a few hundred million in exhumer is not a big deal so it simply becomes a cost of doing business.

Human miners on the other hand play a lot less and their ROI is a lot lower, so often when they get ganked they simply do not return to mining, they can't afford it. So over time human miners leave the profession while the bot ones keep at about the same numbers.

So you are not doing some noble deed, you are making the problem worse.

You do realize that ganking is one of the big reasons there are so many bots in the first place?

Bot miners can afford to replace ships easily, loosing a few hundred million in exhumer is not a big deal so it simply becomes a cost of doing business.

Human miners on the other hand play a lot less and their ROI is a lot lower, so often when they get ganked they simply do not return to mining, they can't afford it. So over time human miners leave the profession while the bot ones keep at about the same numbers.

So you are not doing some noble deed, you are making the problem worse.

If Smodab wants to test it, l'm willing to bring a BB, Falcon, or Rook out to be a nice juicy target...

As for cost... About 1000 units of ice equal 200 mil isk, which is about 21 hours solo mining and with no bonuses. That really is a day of bot mining for a single botting account. (a week if you have limited play time for a normal miner) you would have to kill over a ship per day to hurt their profit.

Um... Take action before dire need? That doesn't work. If a tanker plans to get you, they will scram or disrupt you. There is no warping. If you mean have time to run a booster, again they usually bring extra ships to compensate. 3 to 4 catalysts will beat a shield boosters.

Better to stay passively aligned to your warp out and run when people arrive at the belt if you are not afk.

As for hulk, remember, the Mack gains a 100% yield bonus for ice mining, but mines a tad slower. Still, for ice mining if you do not use a Mack, then you are hurting your profits more than a gank will.

As for cost... About 1000 units of ice equal 200 mil isk, which is about 21 hours solo mining and with no bonuses. That really is a day of bot mining for a single botting account. (a week if you have limited play time for a normal miner) you would have to kill over a ship per day to hurt their profit.

Lots of really good stuff.

You sir, are a model of what every miner should be. Instead of just bitching and moaning about this, you've gone and worked on a counter to being ganked. Seriously, good work.

This is all we really want, people to engage brain when playing.

BTW, pithi and gisti small booster macks are really really hard to kill. I encourage these types of fittings.

Medium extender fittings go down just as easy as any other ones. We killed prolly 15 just like this yesterday.

You sir, are a model of what every miner should be. Instead of just bitching and moaning about this, you've gone and worked on a counter to being ganked. Seriously, good work.

This is all we really want, people to engage brain when playing.

BTW, pithi and gisti small booster macks are really really hard to kill. I encourage these types of fittings.

Medium extender fittings go down just as easy as any other ones. We killed prolly 15 just like this yesterday.

Did you take into account insurance, if not then your 7billion is only about 1.05 billion, still though a notable sum

The worst part about mining in high sec is not the gankers themselves, but rather that one cannot adequately defend themselves (pre-gank the gankers) without CONCORD showing up and putting a real quick stop to that.

How do you figure that? More than half that number was implants in pods, which are not insurable.

What is the insurance payout on a mackinaw? How many miners actually insure their mackinaws? (more do now, obviously )





Not true at all. We are -10. You can shoot/pod us anytime.

Not true at all. We are -10. You can shoot/pod us anytime.

I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the gankers of opportunity who think they're "leet pee vee pee" pilots for ganking a retriever ... and then spend the next four hours ratting their sec status back up to 0.0 or something.