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Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:33:00 - [1] I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:42:00 - [2] Quote: I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. The least we can do is help you out- no, sorry. I fully see where you're coming from, I've only been playing 2 months and I still recall that had I been in a slightly more negative mood in my first hour of play, there's no chance in the world I'd have stayed. CCP are currently trying to pull new players in, and are slowly improving the game for newer players, but it's a long road. I'd try and convince you to stay, and tell you that eve's a fantastic game once you get it all figured out, but you already sound like you've made your mind up, so I won't.
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Mo adib on 01/08/2007 08:46:46 sorry you couldnt stick with it, this game has the highest learning curve of any out there and there is no way around it, the information has all been provided to every new person playing but you have to have the fortitude to stick out the first week or two and you will be rewarded by one of the most challenging and enjoyable mmorpgs out there ohh and I agree you sound like you made up your mind pretty soon after you started that you didnt want to stay but your reasons for leaving are almost laughable. if you ever decide to reinstall let me introduce you to rule 1 of eve, when in doubt righclick, you would have been able to warp to the station right away all you had to do was rightclick and warp to the station..... ohh and the eve newbie channel that you were in, ingame is there for you to ask questions like that as opposed to getting discouraged. I think the thing that saddens me the most is ccp probably takes posts like your very seriously and may dumb down the game to make it more new player accesible, its not really that difficult in retrospect to play this game at all, it simply takes longer to get the hang of it
Escape Cat Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:44:00 - [4] Yeah I feel your pain. I bought a new blender, thinking "Finally!, now I can blend to my hearts content!" but the reality was I never blend anything. It just sits there in my kitchen looking shiny. Like a trophy. I hate you for reminding me of my sexy blender crisis, die. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This post may or may not have been made by a cat thats trying to escape.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:46:00 - [5] you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child.
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:53:00 - [6] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Oh dear god, go get a clue for crying out loud, you silly sod. You outta leave the game. The star map in EVE can be quite frustrating in the start. Not all the controls are easy to find out right away and I have to admit the tutorial can be rather dodgy some times. --- Member of the Danish Evefan.DK corp
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:54:00 - [7] Eve has a lot of depth in it. The problem with that is that it is quite daunting for a first time player, there ofcourse is the possibility to dumb the game down substantionaly but if that was the case then the game would loose most of it's appeal (eve isn't a main stream MMORPG, it's really a niche product). I do believe CCP is trying to improve the tutorial, so if you want you can give the game another try in december orso and see if the tutorial isn't as "gamebreaking" as it currently is (trust me it is A LOT better then when i first did it back in 2003). Also there is a help channel where people usually try to awnser peoples questions (albeit it is sometimes a bit spammed). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Sanzorz Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Oh dear god, go get a clue for crying out loud, you silly sod. You outta leave the game. The star map in EVE can be quite frustrating in the start. Not all the controls are easy to find out right away and I have to admit the tutorial can be rather dodgy some times. you get a clue foolish young boy, he quit because he couldnt find the triangle/station i am right mr bighead
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:59:00 - [9] I know where you're coming from. When I started the tutorial was even more messed up, and I just got so sick of the horrible voice and tedious "do this, do that" thing after an hour that I just turned it off and never returned to it. I did read the Newbie forums a lot though, and tried things on my own, and just went that way instead.
Cornelius Murphy Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:02:00 - [10] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. ------------------------------------------
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:04:00 - [11] Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ?
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:07:01 If someone is unwilling to learn how to use the starmap, or just plain can't do it... or can't take advantage of the very helpful people in the help channel or any number of resources... do you really want them in the game? I remember what it was like to start this game and go through the tutorial. Its a learning experience, and it takes you at least a few days to really feel comfortable in this game. And you'll be learning more and more for months. But come on, if someone is going to give up and uninstall the game after less than two hours of playing do you really want them in this game? Or better yet, would you want someone so easily discouraged in your Corp? ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:06:00 - [13] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Uncalled for... I am not here bashing the game I am giving my opinion in the event that developers read these forums & wonder why trial users do not stick around. You sir are the one seekign attention with the name calling & you sir are the type any MMO community can do without. To the posters above the rude one: I read reviews on this game that had labeled it with bad scores but I wanted to give it a try anyway. I can honestly say I came into the game thinking the worst because of those reviews and preparing myself for that but that was changed by time I got through the final details in customizing the character I wanted to play as & I was at a neutral point knowing that any developers who spent that much time offering that much customization had to have put much effort into making the game a great game & I am not doubting that this game is great as a fact I know it has to be but the fact that it is so far from new user friendly that it is a deterrent. I could not have had a more positive attitude, I stood there for over 30 minutes just searching for the triangle for the warp to space station before I finally lost my cool & came to my senses that I shouldn't have to spend 30 minutes looking for something that should be simple. As for the right clicking, if the tutorial had stated that I would have searched there. Is that my fault, yes it is partially but this is something the tutorial should cover as a totally new user shouldn't have to stumble upon it. Yes, my mind was made up not to play it because of the simple reason that type of thing will eventually pop up again.
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:07:00 - [14] Originally by: ApaKaka I know where you're coming from. When I started the tutorial was even more messed up, and I just got so sick of the horrible voice and tedious "do this, do that" thing after an hour that I just turned it off and never returned to it. I did read the Newbie forums a lot though, and tried things on my own, and just went that way instead. I actually liked the voice. lol
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:08:00 - [15] Originally by: max bygraves Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Question: How is anything he said, racist?
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Ridley Tree Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:07:01 If someone is unwilling to learn how to use the starmap, or just plain can't do it... or can't take advantage of the very helpful people in the help channel or any number of resources... do you really want them in the game? I remember what it was like to start this game and go through the tutorial. Its a learning experience, and it takes you at least a few days to really feel comfortable in this game. And you'll be learning more and more for months. But come on, if someone is going to give up and uninstall the game after less than two hours of playing do you really want them in this game? Or better yet, would you want someone so easily discouraged in your Corp? I don't think 30-40 minutes of seeking a tringle that wasn't there discouraging. I did ask in the rookie channel and got no help. I'm not here looking for people to want me in the game, it was posted in hopes the developers see this and make changes to make it easier to get into the first few steps of the game.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:10:00 - [17] Originally by: max bygraves Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Dude.. You're calling someone who complains about your spelling and asks you to not be an ass on forums a racist?? I'm not natively english either, but at least I try to paragraph and spell correctly, and to be courteous towards people who deserve it. You don't deserve it though, and that has nothing to do with not liking your race. It has to do with you being a child with such a short attention-span that you don't bother even trying to spell correctly.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:13:00 - [18] Originally by: ApaKaka Originally by: max bygraves Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Dude.. You're calling someone who complains about your spelling and asks you to not be an ass on forums a racist?? I'm not natively english either, but at least I try to paragraph and spell correctly, and to be courteous towards people who deserve it. You don't deserve it though, and that has nothing to do with not liking your race. It has to do with you being a child with such a short attention-span that you don't bother even trying to spell correctly. I tried very hard to get my spellings right, Sorry i messed up sir. How does my attention span have anything to do with my spelling little boy ?
Cornelius Murphy Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: max bygraves Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Question: How is anything he said, racist? A good question, and frankly I am somewhat insulted by that. However, to be fair, considering English is not your first language, the posts following your first reply, are actually very well put, and I applaud you for your excellant use of what is clearly not your main tongue. Clearly your first post was a typo rather than just bad English. So I apologise for digging at that, when in fact your English is very good. Doesn't mean I am happy at you calling me racist though. ------------------------------------------
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:15:00 - [20] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:17:22 I found it in about 5 seconds, based solely on your description. Because honestly I didn't know what you were on about regarding the triangle. Though it was on the left side of the screen so perhaps I am wrong? http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ridleytree/untitled.PNG Tell ya what mate. re-install and convo me if you see me online. I'll even walk you through how to add me to your friends list if you need me to. Try Thursday after 10am PST, I'll be online for about 20 hours straight I think, and I'll walk you through whatever you want. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:26:00 - [21] next person to post a insult or off topic post in this thread gets a warning, if you guy want to argue about something do it ingame not on the forums - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. Who cares why

Maulrex X	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:43:00 - [22] I found the triangle as well but I have to admit that I remember myself being confused about that triangle because I didn't think it would be a part of the interface, but rather an object in space. As you can see in his screenshot, the vertical triangle to the left of "Jita" is the triangle they are referring to.
Ann Onymous	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:52:00 - [23] Right click is your friend in EVE, you can't do anything wrong with right clicking.
Eta Carinea SADISTIC INTENT	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:55:00 - [24] I wonder whether it would benefit new players if For trail accounts and paying new players have their own shard for the first two weeks of eve life. which is developed with the new player in mind. The paying new player can exit this shard at any point to join the real eve universe as and when they feel they are ready? I don't know but this setup would seem to have many advantages for new players?
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:01:00 - [25] I suggest you give it another go since eve has a steep learning curve and simply learning how to accelerate orbit and warp to station is less than the basics. Basics include optimal range, falloff, how attributes work, how standings work with agents, how warp scramble and stasis webifiers work, why your cap is important, how resists work. So I hope you give it a serious try because you quit from the bad reviews not from just the frustration.
Zwaplat Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:01:00 - [26] The thing I remember best from the tutorial (though that was not the one you've been doing) is: "When in doubt, rightclick". If you rightclick in space, you'll get a nice menu with all important objects in space: belts, planets, gates and stations. You should be able to get through the tutorial easily by rightclicking. Good luck. ---------- I made a bet for 100M and a faction fitted Raven that I wouldn't get any dev/admin change to my signature even when I specifically ask not to. So please, think of my poor wallet!
Empress Shark	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Empress Shark on 01/08/2007 10:10:45 I think you should start a new trial account on a new day with a "positive mental attitude" or something. AND to be honest with you - Thanks to Ridley Tree I didn't know that feature existed on the system name I've always used the right click in open space method. the frustration is understandable - but didn't you ask in the rookie chat window? there are plenty of "nub" baiters, but some guys are very helpful. This game does allow solo play - but it isn't the best way to get to know it's greatest strengths and the learning curve is much smoother with a live instructor or even 2 new players together. hope to see you out there again cadet! edit: all your spelling mistakes are belong to us
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Fujimatsu For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) Found it for ya. Come back soon, and don't be afraid to ask if you have any more questions,k? - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Tiddz	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:22:00 - [29] Ohh... I agree the tutorial is buggy, and strange (at least when I joined).. But what can I say that havent been said.. You will come to love this game, if you let yourself experience the depth and complexity of this game =) Cya in lowsec..
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Fujimatsu I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go. If you need help ingame just gime a shout, the best tutorial is having an experienced player guide you through... i'll have no problem helping you out if you want to give it another go Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:32:00 - [31] yer, kind of sad, their should be a toturiel about all the start contest in the game, like, combat, research, manufacturing, mining, mini complex, etc. so that people can try it out just use their first 20 hours of play on getting into the awsomeness. tryid to get a one more freind on it, even with me trying to half exsplain the mechanics while i was here he gave up around half way and went back to ddo... maybe he would have done it anyway, but the fact that there where no easy toturiel did make a very bad impression.
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:38:00 - [32] I've found the new totureal to be quite bad compared to the old one. Quite frankly, I'm inclined the say the new tutureal was a huge step backwards. ---sig--- Carebear for life (unless I am in the advantage and have 99% chance of winning(, hey 1% chance to lose, thats risk right, good!)!
Raekone	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Fujimatsu For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) Found it for ya. Come back soon, and don't be afraid to ask if you have any more questions,k? Hey cool never clicked that triangle thingy. What does it do, give a list of stations? Don't think I ever even SAW it before now. Regarding the complexity of this game, there's a trick to grasping it - or rather a nack. Thing is, you have to go insane rather quickly so it doesn't overwhelm you. That's what happened to me, I think I threw an actual fit trying to do stuff when I first loaded it (what, 4 years ago now? well june 2003 I think it was). After that I sort of accepted the fact that I knew nothing about anything and that it probably would stay that way for rather a long time (and here I am, still largely clueless) So don't struggle with it, don't fight back. It's a bit like going limp when you know you're going to hit the floor very hard. Let the insanity wash over you and the pain will go away (right thats enough from me I think)
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:59:00 - [34] you can just rightclick in space anywhere and it will open the same list at your mouse pointer.. ---sig--- Carebear for life (unless I am in the advantage and have 99% chance of winning(, hey 1% chance to lose, thats risk right, good!)!
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:06:00 - [35] the last time (and only time) i ever used that triangle thing to navigate was during the tutorial... do the devs really think people actually use that?? it would be far better if it just said to right click in space... or if they put stations on the overview by default. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:27:00 - [36] If you give up that quickly then maybe EVE is indeed not the right game for you. There are plenty and plenty of helpful people in the game. The rookie-channel, (npc) corp channel, local channel. Those chats help you a lot, they are usually very friendly to new people. Even after months of gameplay there are new things to discover and CCP adds content carefully also, and for free! Either you install EVE again and try it a second time, more carefully and with help of the chat channels, or you just go away ... and miss the only true MMOG out here (the others are just not massive, only multi ). If you play EVE, then you will have times with deep frustration, moments full of agony but also moments of incredible fun and really high emotions.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:38:00 - [37] wow, i didn't know (forgot?) you could click the little triangle. anyway, i too am happy offer my services to any new players who need help. just contact me in-game. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Wacoede Amarr Allied Combat Team Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Gnulpie If you play EVE, then you will have times with deep frustration, moments full of agony but also moments of incredible fun and really high emotions. this is so true I tried EVE back in 2005 but I didn't like it back then more than the MMO I was playing (Star Wars Galaxies - BTW) so i left and went back to that then things changed and i started looking for other MMO's to play and i wandered around then deciede to give EVE another go and well here I am its been 18 months and I'm loving it I've been killed by pirates, I've shot at a few, I've Mined and Missioned but i find i like it all (even being shot at ) An Idea about Bounties Version 2
PathetiQ Gallente The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:45:00 - [39] i dont get it i read the tutorial 1 years ago and its been great. I mean its not complicated at all, long maybe but not hard!!
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Fujimatsu I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go. stuff...ISK....can i have it?
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:52:00 - [41] convo anyone in this thread and i am sure we will more than likely help you out. steep learning curve does not a bad game make. it just means you have more options once you figure out wtf your doing :)
Reiisha Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:56:00 - [42] Edited by: Reiisha on 01/08/2007 17:57:20 Originally by: Fujimatsu For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) Triangle in the top left corner. Really not that hard to find... edit: Someone posted it already, skipped over it :P EVE History Wiki
iLoveYour TastyNoobTears	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:59:00 - [43] If you quit that easily, then Eve definitely isn't a good fit for you. Luckily there's alot of MMO choices nowadays.
Gil sArne	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:06:00 - [44] The game does have a higher learning curve yes, but the people that take the time to learn it usually have more patience that that other MMO with 9 million subs. You will usually find peop-le are quite helpful in the help channels. I know this sounds like a normal thing but it often is not. No specing your Armsman 50 crossbow 50 parry is not a good idea :-(
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:11:00 - [45] It's not a triangle. It is an arrow pointing to the right. I would've never called that thing a triangle. I'd say the only way to make a good tutorial is putting a total newbie in front of the game and look him over the shoulder, let him ask questions, note them down, make sure the tutorial covers all the stuff a new player wants to know first. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well.. -
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:32:00 - [46] Do what I did, stick around, play for a month or 2, then you will be bored! take a month (or in my case 6month) break, comeback and love the game so much make millions and be a god shines cough Eve is hard, push trough, and you will have the will to play, if you really dont like it, quit now, eve aint for you. ---sig--- Carebear for life (unless I am in the advantage and have 99% chance of winning(, hey 1% chance to lose, thats risk right, good!)!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:39:00 - [47] Originally by: Tarron Sarek It's not a triangle. It is an arrow pointing to the right. I would've never called that thing a triangle. Are you serious? Seriously, I can't even tell. Are you serious?
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:45:00 - [48] streigth lines -Check 3 corners -Check yup, methameticaly it's a triangle School much? ---sig--- Carebear for life (unless I am in the advantage and have 99% chance of winning(, hey 1% chance to lose, thats risk right, good!)!
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:46:00 - [49] Edited by: Stitcher on 01/08/2007 18:46:31 Originally by: Tarron Sarek It's not a triangle. It is an arrow pointing to the right. I would've never called that thing a triangle. hmm.... let's see... Simple, geometric shape... Three straight sides... three corners, each with internal angles that combine to form a 180 degree angle... No line depending from or perpendicular to one of the faces... Yep. It's a triangle, alright... - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
E Vile	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:03:00 - [50] Edited by: E Vile on 01/08/2007 21:08:32 Originally by: Fujimatsu I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go. You could have asked for help. It takes more then 1 hour to learn to play EVE. This is why I like it. If you want a game that takes no learning time try WOW. That's the perfect mindless game for mass sheeple. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Fujimatsu Originally by: Ridley Tree Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:07:01 If someone is unwilling to learn how to use the starmap, or just plain can't do it... or can't take advantage of the very helpful people in the help channel or any number of resources... do you really want them in the game? I remember what it was like to start this game and go through the tutorial. Its a learning experience, and it takes you at least a few days to really feel comfortable in this game. And you'll be learning more and more for months. But come on, if someone is going to give up and uninstall the game after less than two hours of playing do you really want them in this game? Or better yet, would you want someone so easily discouraged in your Corp? I don't think 30-40 minutes of seeking a tringle that wasn't there discouraging. I did ask in the rookie channel and got no help. I'm not here looking for people to want me in the game, it was posted in hopes the developers see this and make changes to make it easier to get into the first few steps of the game. Seriously mate: get back in. It's worth it. One hour simply isn't enough to get a correct impression of the game. Sorry you didn't get help in the rookie channel - my experience is that the people in there are usually as helpful as they can be, but it does get a bit busy sometimes. Sometimes I spend a bit of time in there myself if I'm gatecamping or something. EvE is enormous; it's fantastically huge, involved, complex and challenging. It's damb hard in the beginning as well, and everyone accepts this. But... Everyone in the game has met that challenge. So you know it's doable. See if you can join a corp that accepts very new players (there are quite a few). Joining a good corp is the difference between EvE being a good game and EvE being a fantastic game. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.01 23:49:00 - [52] Try again, and ask other players for help when you get stuck. That said, EVE is a tough game. I've actually said to someone (after comparing EVE to WOW with him) that he would probably not like EVE. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Maglorre	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Guilliman R you can just rightclick in space anywhere and it will open the same list at your mouse pointer.. Almost... if you are close to a planet, station or some other large object right clicking anywhere will quite often only get you the menu for that object (i.e. you are clicking on the object, not open space). Left clicking on the triangle (not a triangle but an arrow? just , hope that was an attempt at humour) will ALWAYS give you the full context menu for the system you are in.
shaunc Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:14:00 - [54] i've been playing for nearly two years now and i wouldnt claim to know 50% of the game, eve is huge and for the most part undocumented. People have been begging ccp to document the game for years and they just wont The tutorial is better now than this time last year but is till pretty basic and will only get you started with agents really, its when you start trying to do reactions or do some invention that you really start getting confused. Yeah you can ask around but often each person will give you a slightly different answer and it boils down to trial and error. If you gave up that quick then eve is not the game for you, but i cant help feeling you're missing out on a great game I have a normal sized E-peen, therefore i have no need of a sig
Ur235 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:21:00 - [55] I remember when I started there wasnt any information given to you at all. It was bascially find your own way or STFU lol. Also I remember gettin blown up by concord in my 1st day lol. Because I thuogh woot theres a shuttle shoot it!!! Seriously though its an awesome game, you should give it another try :)
Mordrake ComNav Resources SunStorm Dominion	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:34:00 - [56] I laughed when you said you opened the map to try to find the station.... I remember the first time I opened the map a few years back and I think I spent an hour just playing with it. (The Map that is;) Perv! "Arte et Marte"
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:39:00 - [57] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/08/2007 12:41:41 Originally by: Ur235 I remember when I started there wasnt any information given to you at all. It was bascially find your own way or STFU lol. Personally I loved that. I never read the tutorial back in 2003, and im not saying that to make it sound like I look down at people who do. Its just that I really loved finding out how things work by trial and error instead of reading instructions. The feeling of satisfaction is much greater when you figure stuff out on your own. My first "mistake" was trying to fit 2 mining lasers on a bantam, and it didnt work, so I learned about turrets not being equal to high slots. Stuff like that... it was fun. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/08/2007 12:41:41 Originally by: Ur235 I remember when I started there wasnt any information given to you at all. It was bascially find your own way or STFU lol. Personally I loved that. I never read the tutorial back in 2003, and im not saying that to make it sound like I look down at people who do. Its just that I really loved finding out how things work by trial and error instead of reading instructions. The feeling of satisfaction is much greater when you figure stuff out on your own. My first "mistake" was trying to fit 2 mining lasers on a bantam, and it didnt work, so I learned about turrets not being equal to high slots. Stuff like that... it was fun. Yeah, I loved my newb days, fitting 2 civ shield booster on my frig and having no cap for it, etc. And I don't think we complained this much.
Amanda Wilkins Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Fujimatsu I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go. You are right that Eve has a lack of help for the new players - but!!! Re-install. Then join my corp and we will help you learn to play Eve. We use screenshots and patience - works like a charm for most our new players. This is something we do because we realize that we would not have been having as easy a time getting to play Eve if we did not have friends who already played when we joined. You can find help in the DGAF Newbie Guide. ;-) Amanda ... and someone feed the hamsters, so they don't go on strike when I have a skillchange, m'kay? Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain ... because we DGAF!
Kyusoath Orillian Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.08.03 01:42:00 - [60] Edited by: Kyusoath Orillian on 03/08/2007 01:42:00 i came to the game new, i have no eve friends , i learned on my own. i used my brain . the op should just go play wow,it suits his mental ability more. not a flame at all btw. --------------------------------- ___________/------------------------\_____________ 'blizzard are nothing , they they are rich guys selling garbage to children, like pop music , they churn out unoriginal, basic junk and their audie
Travis050 Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.03 02:17:00 - [61] Look mate... Im currently 14 years old.. I started this game when I was 11! The turtorial consisted of the turt dron orbiting me and telling me what to do... They only convered how to move shoot mine and dock..... I was ****ed once I saw all the buttons and the solar systems. But eventually after a while of trial and error I finially figured out the fun , complexity , and depth of eve... Then... I didnt want to stop.. I freaken sware you guys are lucky with the turtorial now it tells you everything! Good luck and I hope you change your mind.. If you ever need help ingame convo "travis050" ciao
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 03:04:00 - [62] u can always join the "Help" channel ingame were u will find CCP staff and players alike there to help u. To find it goto righthand side toolbar "channels and mailing list" tabs in there u will see a few different drop down options click the "help" one and select witchever channel u wish to join.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.06 21:32:00 - [63] Yeah yeah it's a triangle.. here's your cookie. However, it's not everyone's first association for that thing. That's what I was saying. Calling it a triangle is a bit un-intuitive. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well.. -
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.06 21:32:00 - [64] Yeah yeah it's a triangle.. here's your cookie. However, it's not everyone's first association for that thing. That's what I was saying. Calling it a triangle is a bit un-intuitive. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well.. -
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.08.06 21:54:00 - [65] Play the tutorial. Also this game starts out the most difficult and then progressively gets easier, the opposite of other games. If that angers you then i'd say eve isn't for you. Don't get me wrong it angered me and I quit several times because of what I consider an extremely flawed skill progression, but after many, many, many months, i'm finally at the point where I can finally fly what I wanted to fly halfway decent and almost done with the skillpoint grind. So now I'm addicted. But if I had to start all over again, I'd quit for real that time and not look back. Getting started in this game takes a ridiculously long time unless you have the patience of a saint. @ ISD: not everybody reads every post before posting. Its a mistake to put a special warning further down on the page, or on the next page, or wherever else in the thread. I've seen it done many times and even had it down to myself on VN boards when on the second page of an already 4 page thread there was a special warning against pointing out a certain something. Anyways, you should always edit the first post and place your warning there. Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Max Fantastic Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Fujimatsu Originally by: ApaKaka I know where you're coming from. When I started the tutorial was even more messed up, and I just got so sick of the horrible voice and tedious "do this, do that" thing after an hour that I just turned it off and never returned to it. I did read the Newbie forums a lot though, and tried things on my own, and just went that way instead. I actually liked the voice. lol I liked the old voice-- it sounded more electronic. The new one sounds like she's going into a drug-induced coma. I liked how the old voice would say, "Warp driiive active." Heh. Anyway, yeah- this a very tough game to begin, and the interface is confusing. It took me ages before I really started using the overview (on the right) for control and navigation. Oh and also- if you want to go to a station, you could just right-click and hold anywhere in space, and choose the station you want from the list.
Guilliman R Gallente PRO Space Hunters Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:27:00 - [67] Eve is like a ho, you pay for it, and it sucks at start. But after a while, you'll keep comming back (and pun intended) ---sig--- Carebear for life (unless I am in the advantage and have 99% chance of winning(, hey 1% chance to lose, thats risk right, good!)!
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:44:00 - [68] i acctually remember now. i also got stuck on that tutorial, on the excact same thing. only after a few minutes did i get it. that it refered to that triangle that was apart of the gui. amazed again at how friendly eve is towards new players. everyone is always so helpful. be careful though, these same people wont hesitate to shoot you in the back at a later time on the other hand. if you gave up so quickly, dont play. it wont get any easier. really it wont! Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.

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