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Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:33:00 - [1] I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:42:00 - [2] Quote: I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. The least we can do is help you out- no, sorry. I fully see where you're coming from, I've only been playing 2 months and I still recall that had I been in a slightly more negative mood in my first hour of play, there's no chance in the world I'd have stayed. CCP are currently trying to pull new players in, and are slowly improving the game for newer players, but it's a long road. I'd try and convince you to stay, and tell you that eve's a fantastic game once you get it all figured out, but you already sound like you've made your mind up, so I won't.
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:43:00 - [3] Edited by: Mo adib on 01/08/2007 08:46:46 sorry you couldnt stick with it, this game has the highest learning curve of any out there and there is no way around it, the information has all been provided to every new person playing but you have to have the fortitude to stick out the first week or two and you will be rewarded by one of the most challenging and enjoyable mmorpgs out there ohh and I agree you sound like you made up your mind pretty soon after you started that you didnt want to stay but your reasons for leaving are almost laughable. if you ever decide to reinstall let me introduce you to rule 1 of eve, when in doubt righclick, you would have been able to warp to the station right away all you had to do was rightclick and warp to the station..... ohh and the eve newbie channel that you were in, ingame is there for you to ask questions like that as opposed to getting discouraged. I think the thing that saddens me the most is ccp probably takes posts like your very seriously and may dumb down the game to make it more new player accesible, its not really that difficult in retrospect to play this game at all, it simply takes longer to get the hang of it
Escape Cat Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:44:00 - [4] Yeah I feel your pain. I bought a new blender, thinking "Finally!, now I can blend to my hearts content!" but the reality was I never blend anything. It just sits there in my kitchen looking shiny. Like a trophy. I hate you for reminding me of my sexy blender crisis, die. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This post may or may not have been made by a cat thats trying to escape.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:46:00 - [5] you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child.
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:53:00 - [6] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Oh dear god, go get a clue for crying out loud, you silly sod. You outta leave the game. The star map in EVE can be quite frustrating in the start. Not all the controls are easy to find out right away and I have to admit the tutorial can be rather dodgy some times. --- Member of the Danish Evefan.DK corp
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:54:00 - [7] Eve has a lot of depth in it. The problem with that is that it is quite daunting for a first time player, there ofcourse is the possibility to dumb the game down substantionaly but if that was the case then the game would loose most of it's appeal (eve isn't a main stream MMORPG, it's really a niche product). I do believe CCP is trying to improve the tutorial, so if you want you can give the game another try in december orso and see if the tutorial isn't as "gamebreaking" as it currently is (trust me it is A LOT better then when i first did it back in 2003). Also there is a help channel where people usually try to awnser peoples questions (albeit it is sometimes a bit spammed). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Sanzorz Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Oh dear god, go get a clue for crying out loud, you silly sod. You outta leave the game. The star map in EVE can be quite frustrating in the start. Not all the controls are easy to find out right away and I have to admit the tutorial can be rather dodgy some times. you get a clue foolish young boy, he quit because he couldnt find the triangle/station i am right mr bighead
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 08:59:00 - [9] I know where you're coming from. When I started the tutorial was even more messed up, and I just got so sick of the horrible voice and tedious "do this, do that" thing after an hour that I just turned it off and never returned to it. I did read the Newbie forums a lot though, and tried things on my own, and just went that way instead.
Cornelius Murphy Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:02:00 - [10] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. ------------------------------------------
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:04:00 - [11] Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ?
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:07:01 If someone is unwilling to learn how to use the starmap, or just plain can't do it... or can't take advantage of the very helpful people in the help channel or any number of resources... do you really want them in the game? I remember what it was like to start this game and go through the tutorial. Its a learning experience, and it takes you at least a few days to really feel comfortable in this game. And you'll be learning more and more for months. But come on, if someone is going to give up and uninstall the game after less than two hours of playing do you really want them in this game? Or better yet, would you want someone so easily discouraged in your Corp? ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:06:00 - [13] Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. Uncalled for... I am not here bashing the game I am giving my opinion in the event that developers read these forums & wonder why trial users do not stick around. You sir are the one seekign attention with the name calling & you sir are the type any MMO community can do without. To the posters above the rude one: I read reviews on this game that had labeled it with bad scores but I wanted to give it a try anyway. I can honestly say I came into the game thinking the worst because of those reviews and preparing myself for that but that was changed by time I got through the final details in customizing the character I wanted to play as & I was at a neutral point knowing that any developers who spent that much time offering that much customization had to have put much effort into making the game a great game & I am not doubting that this game is great as a fact I know it has to be but the fact that it is so far from new user friendly that it is a deterrent. I could not have had a more positive attitude, I stood there for over 30 minutes just searching for the triangle for the warp to space station before I finally lost my cool & came to my senses that I shouldn't have to spend 30 minutes looking for something that should be simple. As for the right clicking, if the tutorial had stated that I would have searched there. Is that my fault, yes it is partially but this is something the tutorial should cover as a totally new user shouldn't have to stumble upon it. Yes, my mind was made up not to play it because of the simple reason that type of thing will eventually pop up again.
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:07:00 - [14] Originally by: ApaKaka I know where you're coming from. When I started the tutorial was even more messed up, and I just got so sick of the horrible voice and tedious "do this, do that" thing after an hour that I just turned it off and never returned to it. I did read the Newbie forums a lot though, and tried things on my own, and just went that way instead. I actually liked the voice. lol
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:08:00 - [15] Originally by: max bygraves Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Question: How is anything he said, racist?
Fujimatsu	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Ridley Tree Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:07:01 If someone is unwilling to learn how to use the starmap, or just plain can't do it... or can't take advantage of the very helpful people in the help channel or any number of resources... do you really want them in the game? I remember what it was like to start this game and go through the tutorial. Its a learning experience, and it takes you at least a few days to really feel comfortable in this game. And you'll be learning more and more for months. But come on, if someone is going to give up and uninstall the game after less than two hours of playing do you really want them in this game? Or better yet, would you want someone so easily discouraged in your Corp? I don't think 30-40 minutes of seeking a tringle that wasn't there discouraging. I did ask in the rookie channel and got no help. I'm not here looking for people to want me in the game, it was posted in hopes the developers see this and make changes to make it easier to get into the first few steps of the game.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:10:00 - [17] Originally by: max bygraves Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Dude.. You're calling someone who complains about your spelling and asks you to not be an ass on forums a racist?? I'm not natively english either, but at least I try to paragraph and spell correctly, and to be courteous towards people who deserve it. You don't deserve it though, and that has nothing to do with not liking your race. It has to do with you being a child with such a short attention-span that you don't bother even trying to spell correctly.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:13:00 - [18] Originally by: ApaKaka Originally by: max bygraves Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Dude.. You're calling someone who complains about your spelling and asks you to not be an ass on forums a racist?? I'm not natively english either, but at least I try to paragraph and spell correctly, and to be courteous towards people who deserve it. You don't deserve it though, and that has nothing to do with not liking your race. It has to do with you being a child with such a short attention-span that you don't bother even trying to spell correctly. I tried very hard to get my spellings right, Sorry i messed up sir. How does my attention span have anything to do with my spelling little boy ?
Cornelius Murphy Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: max bygraves Edited by: max bygraves on 01/08/2007 09:04:57 Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Originally by: max bygraves you quite because you cudnt find a station ? tbh EVE is better off without you if you have the attention span of a small child. First of all, please learn to spell, and use correct grammar before insulting someone. Oh, and no, "English isn't my first language" is not a viable excuse. People like you are what the game doesn't need. It is so easy to forget you had to learn once too. To the original poster, I am sorry your first experience was not good, and implore you to try again. I 100% assure you that it is definately worth the early pain to get in to the game. By all means hassle me in game, or as was already suggested, get in to the help channel and just be persistent. There are some fantastic people in there who know a LOT about the game who are only too willing to help. Im not a native english speaker, Racists like you need to be eliminated from life not just the game. Where do i say i didnt have to learn once as well ? Question: How is anything he said, racist? A good question, and frankly I am somewhat insulted by that. However, to be fair, considering English is not your first language, the posts following your first reply, are actually very well put, and I applaud you for your excellant use of what is clearly not your main tongue. Clearly your first post was a typo rather than just bad English. So I apologise for digging at that, when in fact your English is very good. Doesn't mean I am happy at you calling me racist though. ------------------------------------------
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:15:00 - [20] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 01/08/2007 09:17:22 I found it in about 5 seconds, based solely on your description. Because honestly I didn't know what you were on about regarding the triangle. Though it was on the left side of the screen so perhaps I am wrong? http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ridleytree/untitled.PNG Tell ya what mate. re-install and convo me if you see me online. I'll even walk you through how to add me to your friends list if you need me to. Try Thursday after 10am PST, I'll be online for about 20 hours straight I think, and I'll walk you through whatever you want. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:26:00 - [21] next person to post a insult or off topic post in this thread gets a warning, if you guy want to argue about something do it ingame not on the forums - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| [email protected] \| ME They call me Hutch. Who cares why

Maulrex X	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:43:00 - [22] I found the triangle as well but I have to admit that I remember myself being confused about that triangle because I didn't think it would be a part of the interface, but rather an object in space. As you can see in his screenshot, the vertical triangle to the left of "Jita" is the triangle they are referring to.
Ann Onymous	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:52:00 - [23] Right click is your friend in EVE, you can't do anything wrong with right clicking.
Eta Carinea SADISTIC INTENT	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:55:00 - [24] I wonder whether it would benefit new players if For trail accounts and paying new players have their own shard for the first two weeks of eve life. which is developed with the new player in mind. The paying new player can exit this shard at any point to join the real eve universe as and when they feel they are ready? I don't know but this setup would seem to have many advantages for new players?
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:01:00 - [25] I suggest you give it another go since eve has a steep learning curve and simply learning how to accelerate orbit and warp to station is less than the basics. Basics include optimal range, falloff, how attributes work, how standings work with agents, how warp scramble and stasis webifiers work, why your cap is important, how resists work. So I hope you give it a serious try because you quit from the bad reviews not from just the frustration.
Zwaplat Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:01:00 - [26] The thing I remember best from the tutorial (though that was not the one you've been doing) is: "When in doubt, rightclick". If you rightclick in space, you'll get a nice menu with all important objects in space: belts, planets, gates and stations. You should be able to get through the tutorial easily by rightclicking. Good luck. ---------- I made a bet for 100M and a faction fitted Raven that I wouldn't get any dev/admin change to my signature even when I specifically ask not to. So please, think of my poor wallet!
Empress Shark	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Empress Shark on 01/08/2007 10:10:45 I think you should start a new trial account on a new day with a "positive mental attitude" or something. AND to be honest with you - Thanks to Ridley Tree I didn't know that feature existed on the system name I've always used the right click in open space method. the frustration is understandable - but didn't you ask in the rookie chat window? there are plenty of "nub" baiters, but some guys are very helpful. This game does allow solo play - but it isn't the best way to get to know it's greatest strengths and the learning curve is much smoother with a live instructor or even 2 new players together. hope to see you out there again cadet! edit: all your spelling mistakes are belong to us
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Fujimatsu For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) Found it for ya. Come back soon, and don't be afraid to ask if you have any more questions,k? - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Tiddz	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:22:00 - [29] Ohh... I agree the tutorial is buggy, and strange (at least when I joined).. But what can I say that havent been said.. You will come to love this game, if you let yourself experience the depth and complexity of this game =) Cya in lowsec..
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Fujimatsu I tried the trial but had to uninstall after only 1 hour, not because the game was bad because on first impression when I first got in the game I thought I would love it but it felt like there was too much & not enough explanation. For example int he tutorial it told me to go to back to the space station by clicking a triangle in the top left corner (saw no triangle) so I tried to figure out the star map and locate the space station but no clue whatt he name of it is or where it would be & there was no help in the game itself so I tried looking for a good 30-40 minutes (hardcore Eve gamers I'm sure are laughing at this point, I know I would be) till it ticked me off enough to where I felt I shouldn't have to search for a space station that long & uninstalled. I can see that this game has incredible depth from te short time I spent in it but seems to bury the people totally new to this game. I still can't get over how awesome the game looked for an MMO & how many options were available, even though I was pinging 230-250 on a very fast connection it still ran smoothly. I was wondering if their was a hull view where you view from inside your ship as if you are in the bridge, I didn't go seeking the options as I figured I would have plenty of time doing that after I completed the tutorial or it would be shown during the tutorial if it was possible but unfortunately never made it all the way through. I wish this was more new user friendly, this game had me hooked in the first 15-20 minutes then let me go. If you need help ingame just gime a shout, the best tutorial is having an experienced player guide you through... i'll have no problem helping you out if you want to give it another go Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...

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