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Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:38:00 - [1] I was talking with some friends on campus of a major school and I was asked what games I played. I told them what game I played and two of them chimed in, "Oh, you play Eve Sewers Online". Basically, lots of people have heard about the game and it's surprising how unfavorable the word was. I am stating this to help inform CCP that they are getting a bad description on the street of a major portion of their possible market player base. I already know that Trolls and Fan-bots will flame this so don't waste the bandwidth. I want to see this game improve, not worsen as the current road is. I'm not the proof, it's court of opinion that counts often. Word is spreading and I just sit back and laugh. Features are being removed, players that trolls and fan-bots are being like ****s in their blind support of CCP. Reminds me of blind supporters of Microsoft or Linux. I am starting equate Eve to Runescape. True proof that a game doesn't have to be good to have a growing player base. I wish I could find the exact Benjamin Franklin that went something like...Your worse critic is your best friend for they will keep you honest... That's why I'm posting.
Zeknichov Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:43:00 - [2] Although I agree in general from what I've seen EVE has a bad rep... "Eve SEWERS Online." Forgive my ignorance but what exactly were they trying to get at? My friends dubbed the name evesaver online.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:45:00 - [3] Can you recount the rest of the conversation? Otherwise you are just giving us YOUR opinion.
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:50:00 - [4] aye subscriber numbers have levelled off their come back email campaign has brought a lot of players back - same issues remain most palyers are calderi and want missionns and of course motsu and jita are laggy and then they get annoyed and quit
The Pointless Gallente Plastic Toys	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:51:00 - [5] I take it your friends play a certain other game... with elves? ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Captain Powers	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:54:00 - [6] Actually, they seem to play with...a ring.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Captain Powers Stuff Did you or your friends have any specific criticisms or was it just along the lines of "this game sucks"? In what way or ways was their impression unfavourable? How is it getting worse? Please tick all that apply: [ ]Dev Corruption [ ]BoB [ ]Goons [ ]Forum Warriors [ ]Forum Alts () [ ]Heat [ ]Lag [ ]The Community [ ] Insert your customised criticism here Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.01 13:04:00 - [8] I think your critique is a bit off. Eve isnt meant to be a game where everybody gets along and go dancing in the moonlight. Its meant to be unforgiving and difficult. A game like that brings out both the best and the worst in people. I dont have a problem with anybody. Maybe your friends acted like idiots and got disliked by people. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:02:00 - [9] "EVE Sewers Online" ? Sounds like your friends put a LOT of thought into that one.. You ever think that players of other MMO's are elitists just like (most) the players of EVE? It's not so much EVE getting bad rep as it is the reverse of us saying "Go play WoW and come back when you're an adult." Think I'm wrong? Find anyone that plays a different MMO and question them about one they don't play. If it's not "I haven't played it" it's "I heard it sucked." --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:07:00 - [10] I have taken some time off EVE in the past to play different MMO's or to go back to the old ones I used to play, and in general, people either have never heard of EVE, or they have heard bad things about it. The #1 thing I ran into was people whos only contact with the game was through the various scandals concerning Dev corruption. After that, the people who had heard of it almost always said "isn't that a game with full PvP everywhere? That is too hardcore for me." (or something along those lines.) I do have to agree tho, from personal experience, EVE has a bad image in the mmo world. -=^=-
Steini OFSI Gallente Minigame	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:20:00 - [11] I can't seem to drag my friends to play this game, why? Because they start so way off from me skillwise that they feel powerless and don't like mining while they're training up to afterburner, MWD, web yada yada something I did when it released but I would quit the game for if I had to start training that all again. And I got to agree to a certain point, the specilization to get to a cool ship they want to fly (let's assume assault frigate and t2 weapons) is ridiculous, I feel that a new account paid for should start with 1 mill sp's allocatable to certain skills (so you couldn't go straight for battleship perhaps but close to a cruiser or hauler and guns/missiles or what fancies you). 2 cents
Riley Craven Caldari Copacetic Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Steini OFSI I can't seem to drag my friends to play this game, why? Because they start so way off from me skillwise that they feel powerless and don't like mining while they're training up to afterburner, MWD, web yada yada something I did when it released but I would quit the game for if I had to start training that all again. And I got to agree to a certain point, the specilization to get to a cool ship they want to fly (let's assume assault frigate and t2 weapons) is ridiculous, I feel that a new account paid for should start with 1 mill sp's allocatable to certain skills (so you couldn't go straight for battleship perhaps but close to a cruiser or hauler and guns/missiles or what fancies you). 2 cents Lol you must live in the stone age. CCP already implemented a change where everyone starts with at least 800k sp.
Steini OFSI Gallente Minigame	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Riley Craven Originally by: Steini OFSI I can't seem to drag my friends to play this game, why? Because they start so way off from me skillwise that they feel powerless and don't like mining while they're training up to afterburner, MWD, web yada yada something I did when it released but I would quit the game for if I had to start training that all again. And I got to agree to a certain point, the specilization to get to a cool ship they want to fly (let's assume assault frigate and t2 weapons) is ridiculous, I feel that a new account paid for should start with 1 mill sp's allocatable to certain skills (so you couldn't go straight for battleship perhaps but close to a cruiser or hauler and guns/missiles or what fancies you). 2 cents Lol you must live in the stone age. CCP already implemented a change where everyone starts with at least 800k sp. Yes I live in the stone age (or had no clue since I reactivated a month ago), but that's cool, time to try to drag them out of wow
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:34:00 - [14] I never saw any sewers in Eve, but it would be cool. The pods have to be emptied sometime, I guess. As for impresssions of the game, most people who I've talked to that have heard about it seem to be under the impression that you can 'lose everything'. That players go around frolicking wildly with their guns and that you're bound to lose all your efforts or have them stolen from you. But yeah, for the general WoWie I guess losing their guy with all it's epic eq worn when they die would be like losing -everything-, so I can see where they're coming from.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:39:00 - [15] I've experienced exactly what the op is talking about. Was chatting to some guildies the other day about my new addiction. The first thing one of them said: "You're playing eve? Why would you play a game where the dev's are allowed to cheat?", the second thing he said "Don't the owners allow you to buy gold for cash in that game?" As far as online reputation goes, eve's is worse than mud among the general community. CCP might one day be able to get over its shady history, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Steini OFSI I can't seem to drag my friends to play this game, why? Because they start so way off from me skillwise that they feel powerless and don't like mining while they're training up to afterburner, MWD, web yada yada something I did when it released but I would quit the game for if I had to start training that all again. And I got to agree to a certain point, the specilization to get to a cool ship they want to fly (let's assume assault frigate and t2 weapons) is ridiculous, I feel that a new account paid for should start with 1 mill sp's allocatable to certain skills (so you couldn't go straight for battleship perhaps but close to a cruiser or hauler and guns/missiles or what fancies you). 2 cents You can start a minmatar character with Nav 5, AB 4, Frigate 5 and some gunnery. They can be tackling (and tackling quite well) within a day or two with those skills. but doesn't your objection apply much less to EvE than to other MMOs? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:48:00 - [17] Quote: but doesn't your objection apply much less to EvE than to other MMOs? Well, this is just my view, but I'd dare say it applies far moreso to eve than any other game. In any other game, I can play and get more powerful- if I put 12 hours in in a single day I'll be 4x as far along as someone who spent 3. In eve, it isn't like that. If I want to fly x ship, it'll take y weeks and there's not a damn thing I can do to change it. Leads to a lot more playing fps' while you're waiting for a certain skill to train
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:48:00 - [18] All I know is that this game is not for the "I want to kick ass and take names now!" crowd.
maria stallion Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.01 14:55:00 - [19] I thoughed eve-online was known as eve-offline?
Lewis Breaker	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:03:00 - [20] You must admit eve is kinda boring, to the point where i can read a book and rat in 0.0 at the same time. 95% of the time is spent warping, 5% of my time is taken up with pirating and ratting or running the most boring missions. now that i have loads of isk i dont know what to do anymore. The game has no goals to aim towards. It needs something to make you want to play. ok u train your skills, get the new ship and mods go ganking, once u done that then what do u do? I am finding this game very boring at the moment and a few days ago I killed a hyperion and made over 1 billion isk so i should have a major incentive to be hyped and playing all the time, but it just isnt like that. Mining sucks i will never ever mine, Ratting is just mining but with moving targets. PVP is fun i guess but its the same most of the time warp scram gank gang gatecamp. so basically im getting bored of eve big time, and i have only restarted playing this a month ago. I think they need to do something to make it more exciting
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Billy Sastard I have taken some time off EVE in the past to play different MMO's or to go back to the old ones I used to play, and in general, people either have never heard of EVE, or they have heard bad things about it. The #1 thing I ran into was people whos only contact with the game was through the various scandals concerning Dev corruption. After that, the people who had heard of it almost always said "isn't that a game with full PvP everywhere? That is too hardcore for me." (or something along those lines.) I do have to agree tho, from personal experience, EVE has a bad image in the mmo world. Well, you can blame all that on ***** Alliance. There was ONE instance of ONE dev cheating and this certian alliance flips out and if they lag in a system all of a sudden its time to threadnaught and go running off to spread lies and slander everywhere they can. Ive said ti before, and I will say it again, every game would be better off without ****. And you all know who I am talking about. You can buy gold for cash in every mmo, at least in eve your mainly dealing with other players, not isk farmers (most of the GTC sales are player to player). ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:08:00 - [22] tbh with people i know, the ones that dont like it, A, Cant get their head around it B, Cant take getting blown up and being looted.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:12:00 - [23] I lack the context to properly judge. D: What do Sewers have to do with anything? --- Grismar.net
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:13:00 - [24] Quote: Well, you can blame all that on ******* Alliance. There was ONE instance of ONE dev cheating and this certian alliance That's just it though- that one instance, not the second one, was enough to do it, the goon's attempt at a second just rubbed salt in the wound. Eve hasn't just been seen like this for a month or so, the original t20 incident, combined with the fact he wasn't fired was all it took.
Zosimos Sabina Tritanium Workers Union Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:13:00 - [25] No, my friends won't play this game because he said it devolved into Space Truckers Online and it was too hard for noobs to rack up enough sp to be pvp competitive. He said his idea of fun was not being somebody's disposable t1 tackler until he had 12 million sp, nearly 9 months later. He also said that the interface sucked and he absolutely hated having to log in every 4 hours to change skills without a queue. And in way, I agree with him on all his points. The difference between me and him is that I think EVE is still worth paying for. ------------------------------------------------ »\(¦_o)/»
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Gojyu Quote: Well, you can blame all that on ******* Alliance. There was ONE instance of ONE dev cheating and this certian alliance That's just it though- that one instance, not the second one, was enough to do it, the goon's attempt at a second just rubbed salt in the wound. Eve hasn't just been seen like this for a month or so, the original t20 incident, combined with the fact he wasn't fired was all it took. Well thats because the people that wrote all the stories are goonies, and they failed to mention the fact that he was punished for it, while the CEO was away which is why he wasnt fired. And no, if you ask someone about eve, and they say devs cheat, they are ready to rattle 3-4 instances off, not just one. Why? Because goonies decided to publish all the half truths and incomplete stories everywhere, and they weren't responsible enough to correct the stories later. You can blame CCP all you want for their image, they had a dev cheat, which will tarnish it, but the majority of the bad press surrounding CCP is not their fault, its goonswarms. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:19:00 - [27] Evil Online
galadran Caldari Shadowed Souls	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:29:00 - [28] In the last year i've brought 3 people into EVE. None of them are hardcore or play more than an hour a day. When a a close friend mentioned they were trying out LOTRO my 3 friends agreed to try it as well. I already had and left. 3 hours into there first play they aggreed to come back to EVE. Once you can get people playing EVE the loyalty is very strong. Low turnover rate > large #s
Citizen 46Z	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:40:00 - [29] Like a dev or gm has never cheated in any other mmo or is not currently doing so, how naive....
RipleyII	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:09:00 - [30] I just returned to eve due to their email trial dealie, and I can see, even though some features have been improved, that it is still, and maybe moreso, geared toward the long time player. Newbies are not given any assistance, and the learning curve is still extreme. I find it interesting that when anyone says this, others chime to exhort CCP against "dumbing the game down". Since when is making something accessible equated with making it dumb. Now THAT is dumb. It is a very frustrating game because you can lose your ship so easily, and most ships cost millions of isk. Difficult for a noob to get in the first place, and very difficult to get back. And yes, i consider myself a noob because I ahd to start with nothing but a covetor. Thank goodness someone loaned me so isk, or I could do nothing. CCP reinstated me without even a teeny noobie ship. But the thing I find most distressing is the animus and constant antipathy from other players...the lying, scamming, name calling ,sarcasm, well it nver ends. Try asking a question on the help channel when the good old boys are having a discussion....mockery abounds. no fun being mocked when you're really trying to get information on something. I asked a question about gate camping npcs last week, and everyone just thought that was hilarious and gave me a very hard time over it. Hey, I jumpted into freulgar and three rats were camped at the gate. Not seen that very often. I merely asked it that was now common in low sec space. Call me stupid..yes yes i know you will, boys. Anyway, in looking at replies from gms, it seems they adopt that line as well. No help there. Probably won't stay too long this time.... I'll say it for you (good riddance) And I know now all you eve denizens are gonna jump me for what I've said. Have at it.

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