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Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:16:00 - [1] I've been playing since Jan. 2005, and due to an infinite sequence of nerfs, have ended flying all races, using all kinds of EW, cloacker and non-cloakers, tanking shield or armor, and using all weapon systems available. I've never blinked in front of changes and adapted, often using unusual setups. But the proposed NOS nerf is the worst thing I ever saw in EVE. Why ? Because the benefits and drawbacks of NOS apply to every ship without exception. It's only the degree which varies according to your ship, setup , skills and tactical situation. The bottom line is that NOS is overpowered WHEN you face it without using NOS yourself. If you really liked NOS then you went the Curse/Pilgrim/Bhaalgorn route. Nobody obliged you to do that, nobody prevented you to do that either. Other non-NOS specialized ships performed well also by making use of NOS. So what are we balancing here ? The mighty Curse for example ? A Curse cannot beat a player who knows how a Curse works and has its ship prepared to sustain such an encounter. But you don't want to base your ship & setup on a hypothetic precise risk ? It's your legitime choice, you could very well encounter a Huginn after all. The point is that life isn't fair, because there's nothing fair in the IQ we are born with (or lack thereof), or in the money we make (or not) during our life. Nothing is fair and our destiny is almost entirely dependent of the consequences of the choices we make. But let's forget the details because all this goes way beyond that bunch of bits hidden behind the concept of NOS. I don't know about you, but I do cherish my time and money because both are limited. So I try to be coherent and attempt to make good use of those two finite assets. And one of the fundamental principles of using my time and money in a pertinent spirit is not to have to start over and over and over again just because some individual I don't even know the name suddenly decided to disrespect the time and money I have invested in a legitime aspect of a commercial game. You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. You don't think that they are the Mother Theresa of the MMO's do you ? Since the skill system implemented is based on elapsed real time, and since this real time corresponds to monthly subscriptions, how much money does CCP makes by regularly voiding whole sections of game mechanics and obliging players to find new solutions which often require... additional training, hence time, hence money ? Well, I'm done. I do plenty of business in RL myself and this has reached the point were I cannot continue to play this game without feeling like an idiot. If these NOS changes migrate from SiSi to TQ, I'll put my subscriptions on hold indefinitely until CCP stops to turn EVE into a spreadsheet for babies laid on a scifi background. I prefer top follow my dogs philosophy: If you can't eat it, if you cant s*w it, just ps on it and go away
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:21:00 - [2] Wait, what's a "strow"? Is it like a crow?
ChimeraRouge Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:21:00 - [3] adapt or die... you died.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:23:00 - [4] What an incredible whine.
Arkios Odymei D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Semkhet The bottom line is that NOS is overpowered WHEN you face it without using NOS yourself. lol you even said it your self! You gotta admit, wwhen you are forced to fit a certain module or die, it is a bit overpowered... ------------------------------------------------------------------
Ihar Enda Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:26:00 - [6] Edited by: Ihar Enda on 01/08/2007 19:26:12 I tend to agree, the constant nerfing and changes in game mechanics is tiring to say the least, especially if a system being changed has been in place for months and months.
Trojanman190 Caldari Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:26:00 - [7] If something is broken you are supposed to fix it... not leave it broken because people are used to it. Nos was borked. I don't like the new changes myself but something needed to be done.
Gentlewind	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:30:00 - [8] The thing is CCP want Eve to become 'mediocrity in space' there is no place for shining stars like the curse or vaga and there is certainly no place for the player who wants to play with a ship that requires 'flair'. The people who will play no matter what ccp nerf are the compliant sheep who post stuff like 'adapt or die', they are happy in their boring little f1-f8 gangs/fleet. There is one truely fun solo ship left but I'm not saying a word
Matroshka Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Semkhet The bottom line is that NOS is overpowered WHEN you face it without using NOS yourself. So whoever has the most nos wins basically. I believe that is one of the reasons why it needed to be nerfed. -------------
Asestorian Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:31:00 - [10] You said it yourself, the only counter to NOS was another NOS. And what about ships that can't fit NOS? Why should I ever have to ** over the rest of my set-up to make sure I have at least one of the biggest NOS I can fit? No. The point of this change is the same as when ECM was changed. At the moment everyone is using it because it's practically required. Now ECM only works properly on a ship designed to use it. This will be the case with NOS now as well. The Curse and Pilgrim will continue to be perfectly good ships. It's the rest of the NOS-***s that are going to have to adapt. They can still use NOS, but it isn't the all-powerful module it was before. --- ---
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Semkhet The bottom line is that NOS is overpowered WHEN you face it without using NOS yourself. And yet you use this as a basis for an argument as to why NOS isn't overpowered? ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION \| Forum Whiners - Unite!
Ozzie Asrail Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:32:00 - [12] Stop chasing fotm setups then? -----
Arkios Odymei D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:33:00 - [13] Ha I beat you all with the quote ------------------------------------------------------------------
Vitrael Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:35:00 - [14] The time of the nos is over... The time of the frig is upon us.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Semkhet stuff Do me a favor, pass me your stuff please.
Major Stallion Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Semkhet You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. errrr....when was the last time someone went into the MMO business for any other purpose? Get with it, adapt to the changes, seriously. NOS is no longer the end all be all of PVP. You now have to think about your setups. Grow up man. ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Asestorian You said it yourself, the only counter to NOS was another NOS. And what about ships that can't fit NOS? Why should I ever have to ** over the rest of my set-up to make sure I have at least one of the biggest NOS I can fit? No. The point of this change is the same as when ECM was changed. At the moment everyone is using it because it's practically required. Now ECM only works properly on a ship designed to use it. This will be the case with NOS now as well. The Curse and Pilgrim will continue to be perfectly good ships. It's the rest of the NOS-***s that are going to have to adapt. They can still use NOS, but it isn't the all-powerful module it was before. Utter crap. Is ECM effectivity inversely proportional to the weakness of the targeted ship's sensors ? I've spent enough time on SiSi with multiple accounts to know what I wanted to know. Flying solo, the Curse is manageable, the Pilgrim has become useless.
Mallikan Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:51:00 - [18] Yet another unless thread... (haha, if you don't get it, backtrack on some of the NOS whining posts) --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad. Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
Human Cattle Amarr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:51:00 - [19] I've not played this game for long but I believe the correct reply to this is, Quote: I'll put my subscriptions on hold indefinitely until CCP... can I have your stuff? -------------- unhappy cogs :(((
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Semkhet Flying solo, the Curse is manageable, the Pilgrim has become useless. And here we have the crux of the problem.. Someone lost their solopwnmobile.. Remember kiddies that solopwnmobiles in eve are always eventually nerfed as they were never intended to be that way to begin with.. Enjoy them whilst they last and don't cry when they get taken away.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Semkhet Well, I'm done. I do plenty of business in RL myself and this has reached the point were I cannot continue to play this game without feeling like an idiot. If these NOS changes migrate from SiSi to TQ, I'll put my subscriptions on hold indefinitely until CCP stops to turn EVE into a spreadsheet for babies laid on a scifi background. Whatever business you do in RL obviously doesn't involve spreadsheets or babies. They don't generally go together. Maybe you're in the really bad metaphor business?
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Semkhet You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. errrr....when was the last time someone went into the MMO business for any other purpose? Get with it, adapt to the changes, seriously. NOS is no longer the end all be all of PVP. You now have to think about your setups. Grow up man. You should grow up and get a brain to start with yourself. My favorite ship and setup does not use NOS, and the current change will make it even more uber since it's a pimped Crow. The whole point is to change the mechanics of a module which had only 3 ships benefiting from specific bonuses. Now last time I checked, not every player and his mother were flying Pilgrims or Curses which on top of a decent recon lvl also require good drone, ew, speed, missiles, speed and shield or armor skills. I'm not even talking about Bhaalgorns which are one of the rarest battleships in game. So IMHO it's just crappola to make money on the player's back. If you fall for it good for you.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Semkhet I've been playing since Jan. 2005, and due to an infinite sequence of nerfs, have ended flying all races, using all kinds of EW, cloacker and non-cloakers, tanking shield or armor, and using all weapon systems available. I've never blinked in front of changes and adapted, often using unusual setups. Translation: I use only FOTM and overpowerd ships/setups, until they get nerfed, then I move on the next one. Originally by: Semkhet But the proposed NOS nerf is the worst thing I ever saw in EVE. Why ? Because the benefits and drawbacks of NOS apply to every ship without exception. It's only the degree which varies according to your ship, setup , skills and tactical situation. It's not overpowered if you use it, too? That's how you recognize for sure that something is way too powerfull... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Asestorian Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Semkhet Utter crap. Is ECM effectivity inversely proportional to the weakness of the targeted ship's sensors ? I've spent enough time on SiSi with multiple accounts to know what I wanted to know. Flying solo, the Curse is manageable, the Pilgrim has become useless. No, what I said has everything to do with this change. The mechanics aren't the same, no, but the situation is. ECM used to be so good that if you had a spare mid-slot there was no other module more valuable than a Multispec. If you had a ship with lots of med slots, then you'd fill as many of them as you could with ECM whilst still retaining all the other stuff a ship needs. However, this screwed over ships that didn't have those spare med slots. NOS right now is exactly the same. If people have a spare high slot, the first thing they try to put there is NOS. If they can get away with using all NOS in their high slots, then they will. This screws over ships that can't do that. So now NOS is going to be changed so you need to have a ship dedicated to using it (now alongside neutralisers) for it to work well. To me that seems exactly like the ECM change. It also seems perfectly fair and good. --- ---
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:06:00 - [25] didnt even read the whine. fact of the matter. nos was lamely and exstremely overpowered and it was misused for another porpose then it was made for, now they have remade it so it does what it should. if your whining about that your too freaking stupid... i lost 3million sp with the torp nerf, but well i could have told myself TORPS ARE NOT MEAND TO HIT FRIGATES WITH HIGH DMG! but i tryid to use the change and get something out of it before it was nerfed, but logically it WOULD get nerfed. just smile and think, damn they found my whole.. but it is a good thing in the overall perspective
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:09:00 - [26] Can I have your stuff? Beets, you're among friends.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Vitrael The time of the nos is over... The time of the frig is upon us. I feel pretty good about my decision to specialise in small ships ;o) Of course, would have been better if I hadn't gone Caldari, but the good thing about the elite frigs as that it's only 9 days training to get all the range of another race CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:22:00 - [28] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Wait, what's a "strow"? Is it like a crow? That and how many "strows" does it take to break a camels back? Quote: No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse
Pheonix Kanan Caldari Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:25:00 - [29] NOS was broken and needed changing. However, it was kinda late on the change after everyone trained to us it and EVERYONE had gotten used to it being in the game. Perhaps CCP should have spend up the process (I know you guys did your best). But it is a major game change and they are becoming quite common and tiresome (looking at cloak and local now). Maybe people should just play the game as they bought it rather than complaining until they get the game they want to play. Originally by: Jim McGregor Suicide ganks leads to anger, anger leads to forum whining, forum whining leads to game changes. The dark side of the force is strong in here.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:27:00 - [30] OMG nerf Blasters and missles...Nerf everything other than lasers because I don't use any of them..... Semkhet is right...the NOS nerf is a bit too much. Had the change been percentage based, sig radius based, just anything other than the upcoming nerf (well people would still whine) but it would be better. I'm tired though of posting on this so Imma stop right here. ------------------- New account on EvE-Online...$19.95 100 Day GTC...$49.95 2 Month supply of German beer...$200.00 Having your computer die because of Hello Kitty online...Priceless
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:29:00 - [31] Oh God the strows! I'm being crushed under the weight of so many strows! My Nos Rokh is about to be a lot less useful, perhaps even unviable. That sucks but as you yourself conceded, Nos is a bit overpowered and everyone who PvPs shouldn't be forced to use it as they presently are. Nos was too easy to use and far too widely used, this will correct that. ---------------------------------------- This Thread needs some Dev lovin but it will take a bump from anyone
Major Stallion Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Semkhet You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. errrr....when was the last time someone went into the MMO business for any other purpose? Get with it, adapt to the changes, seriously. NOS is no longer the end all be all of PVP. You now have to think about your setups. Grow up man. You should grow up and get a brain to start with yourself. My favorite ship and setup does not use NOS, and the current change will make it even more uber since it's a pimped Crow. The whole point is to change the mechanics of a module which had only 3 ships benefiting from specific bonuses. Now last time I checked, not every player and his mother were flying Pilgrims or Curses which on top of a decent recon lvl also require good drone, ew, speed, missiles, speed and shield or armor skills. I'm not even talking about Bhaalgorns which are one of the rarest battleships in game. So IMHO it's just crappola to make money on the player's back. If you fall for it good for you. so, if im reading this correctly, you get a boost to one of your ships and you whine? wheres the logic in this? please, show me where im missing a deeper point? And please, show us where exactly this change is being made EXPLICITLY to make money off the player? This change is forcing people to use more logic than the current "oh man i dont know what to do with this extra high sl...oooohhhh how about a NOS". The majority of the playerbase is here because Eve is a THINKING MANS GAME. NOS was apart of EVERYONE's setup, regardless of whether or not they had a ship that gave them nos bonuses. You were getting free cap for NO sacrifice or drawback. If you really want to continue to sap energy from someones cap, try the Energy neutralizer. Or are you upset that you cant just mindlessly NOS someone until they run dry anymore? ________________________________ High Sec PvP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf OMG nerf Blasters and missles...Nerf everything other than lasers because I don't use any of them..... Semkhet is right...the NOS nerf is a bit too much. Had the change been percentage based, sig radius based, just anything other than the upcoming nerf (well people would still whine) but it would be better. I'm tired though of posting on this so Imma stop right here. the nos change is a boost for ammar pilots. think about it for a second maybe. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Vitrael The time of the nos is over... The time of the frig is upon us. I feel pretty good about my decision to specialise in small ships ;o) Of course, would have been better if I hadn't gone Caldari, but the good thing about the elite frigs as that it's only 9 days training to get all the range of another race and first thing that happend was running into the almighty webber of doom!!! and that dream was toosted
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:36:00 - [35] Originally by: tikinish Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Vitrael The time of the nos is over... The time of the frig is upon us. I feel pretty good about my decision to specialise in small ships ;o) Of course, would have been better if I hadn't gone Caldari, but the good thing about the elite frigs as that it's only 9 days training to get all the range of another race and first thing that happend was running into the almighty webber of doom!!! and that dream was toosted Hmmmm.. I seem to remember somewhere that max skill rockets hit outside of webber range unless its a stupidly exspensive faction one which you know every single pilot will have.. Oh.. your statement.. It's toosted.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
E Vile	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:39:00 - [36] O cry me a river. Nos still works, just now you need to risk your own cap if you want to suck someone dry. I love the change. Nos involves some risk now. It's not the super easy I win button anymore. The change I don't like is the khanid ships, but thats another story. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: tikinish Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Vitrael The time of the nos is over... The time of the frig is upon us. I feel pretty good about my decision to specialise in small ships ;o) Of course, would have been better if I hadn't gone Caldari, but the good thing about the elite frigs as that it's only 9 days training to get all the range of another race and first thing that happend was running into the almighty webber of doom!!! and that dream was toosted Hmmmm.. I seem to remember somewhere that max skill rockets hit outside of webber range unless its a stupidly exspensive faction one which you know every single pilot will have.. Oh.. your statement.. It's toosted.. have you ever tried hitting a small t2 ship with large guns? you have a 34.75% chane to hit when they are in optimal range and are sitting still. Also all you have to do is fit a low solt mod to increase the range of the rockets. and the t2 frig will be nossing you. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Dranearian Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:44:00 - [38] Please do correct me if I am wrong.. but without a velocity/duration bonus on the ship, with bombardment 5 and projection 5, a rockets max range is 10125. T2 with javelin is of course different, but a full rack of those will nerf an interceptor down to what, 75ish% speed? Depends on if you are willing to take that trade.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:48:00 - [39] It's the one thing that is the same no matter the MMO. There will be nerfs. /shrug I would guess that if you've weathered past nerfs before but this one is one too many, it's probably you just getting tired of the game after all this time more so than about this specific nerf. ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:55:00 - [40] So NOS's were broken since they were put in game, broken in such a way that required pretty much nerfing them to useless, and it took the Devs this long to fix it? If thats true it doesn't really look good for CCP that way either. A friend of mine just spent several billion putting together a pride and joy ship, a Bhaalgorn. Sucks to be him eh? Maybe, and I'm not convinced but maybe, NOS's needed to be changed a bit, but this isn't balancing, this is DOAC style, flavor of the month, nerfing, which turns something to utter trash in one patch. I'm not happy with the patching lately, seems to be very whine related, but nerfs, lag, and boring pos fights are all I feel I've seen increase in the last 6 months. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Herculite So NOS's were broken since they were put in game, broken in such a way that required pretty much nerfing them to useless, and it took the Devs this long to fix it? If thats true it doesn't really look good for CCP that way either. A friend of mine just spent several billion putting together a pride and joy ship, a Bhaalgorn. Sucks to be him eh? Maybe, and I'm not convinced but maybe, NOS's needed to be changed a bit, but this isn't balancing, this is DOAC style, flavor of the month, nerfing, which turns something to utter trash in one patch. I'm not happy with the patching lately, seems to be very whine related, but nerfs, lag, and boring pos fights are all I feel I've seen increase in the last 6 months. or if you opened your eyes you'd see that nos works just fine still. it just doesn't work on a passive tank. what is your point? they didn't get nerfed... they are just as strong as they used to be. but now larger ships can't nos small ships while small ships can nos big ships. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Matroshka Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Herculite A friend of mine just spent several billion putting together a pride and joy ship, a Bhaalgorn. Sucks to be him eh? Yeah, but don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Although the bonuses on the ship should be changed to include neuts. Originally by: Herculite Maybe, and I'm not convinced but maybe, NOS's needed to be changed a bit, but this isn't balancing, this is DOAC style, flavor of the month, nerfing, which turns something to utter trash in one patch. It needed to be fixed. They did it in a way that also boosts Amarr. Originally by: Herculite I'm not happy with the patching lately, seems to be very whine related, but nerfs, lag, and boring pos fights are all I feel I've seen increase in the last 6 months. Haven't you been at war for around that time? -------------
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:05:00 - [43] Can i have your stuff ?
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Semkhet You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. errrr....when was the last time someone went into the MMO business for any other purpose? Get with it, adapt to the changes, seriously. NOS is no longer the end all be all of PVP. You now have to think about your setups. Grow up man. You should grow up and get a brain to start with yourself. My favorite ship and setup does not use NOS, and the current change will make it even more uber since it's a pimped Crow. The whole point is to change the mechanics of a module which had only 3 ships benefiting from specific bonuses. Now last time I checked, not every player and his mother were flying Pilgrims or Curses which on top of a decent recon lvl also require good drone, ew, speed, missiles, speed and shield or armor skills. I'm not even talking about Bhaalgorns which are one of the rarest battleships in game. So IMHO it's just crappola to make money on the player's back. If you fall for it good for you. so, if im reading this correctly, you get a boost to one of your ships and you whine? wheres the logic in this? please, show me where im missing a deeper point? And please, show us where exactly this change is being made EXPLICITLY to make money off the player? This change is forcing people to use more logic than the current "oh man i dont know what to do with this extra high sl...oooohhhh how about a NOS". The majority of the playerbase is here because Eve is a THINKING MANS GAME. NOS was apart of EVERYONE's setup, regardless of whether or not they had a ship that gave them nos bonuses. You were getting free cap for NO sacrifice or drawback. If you really want to continue to sap energy from someones cap, try the Energy neutralizer. Or are you upset that you cant just mindlessly NOS someone until they run dry anymore? First, it's not a whine, whines are children. I'm just sharing my mindset. Second, why do I think that this NOS change has little to do with game balancing and very much to do with obliging almost every PvP'er to revise its setups ? Simple. Except for the 3 specialized ships which can be reduced to 2 since the Bhaalgorn is almost never to be seen and even less to be fought against, since when did a nerf void the very meaning of the intended design of a racial ship class ? Hugin & rapiers do web and paint, falcons & rook do ECM, lachesis & arazu do damp and warp disrupt. Curses & pilgrims used to drain and track disrupt. Now they can MAYBE drain because this requires specific conditions, and track disrupt. The beauty of NOS is that it was a cross-racial module which indistinctly could be used on any ship of any class regardless of a complex skill tree. It solely depended of the player to decide to integrate NOS according to his own setup and philosophy. Thus it greatly contributed to create threats which were not specifically bound by racial considerations. Also, since it wasn't skill intensive, it was also a good tool for noobs facing veterans & specialized players using ganking setups. To resume, if I would shake up the whole EVE community in order to send everybody back to the drawing board, I would have done exactly that: rendering NOS inefficient. Let's face it. Since when does it make sense to have to put a ship's conditions outside optimal parameters in order to use a tool ? There were many options to decrease the NOS effectivity instead of choosing what CCP did. And since CCP folks aren't stupid, IMHO they must have a pertinent motive to go that route. I'm also on the same wave like Herculite. The game exists since 2003, and till now everyone used NOS: ceptors, frigs, cruisers, BS and capitals. Suddenly, it's bad ? If everyone is affected by a NOS change regardless of its race or ship class, how the hell can you imply that said change is intended to balance things ? Things between what ? Where ?
Abrah	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:56:00 - [45] Quote: You see, CCP is solely in this venue for business. Did you forget that other MMOs cost money to buy the serial ? and they also charge money for theyr expansions ? while having a monthly fee ? Quote: Since the skill system implemented is based on elapsed real time, and since this real time corresponds to monthly subscriptions Yes but at least you do not have to spent time in-game to do x quests and/or kill x monsters to make a level. Also i would not like to see 1-2 months old people flying in ships/setup better then mine. Quote: The bottom line is that NOS is overpowered WHEN you face it without using NOS yourself. If you really liked NOS then you went the Curse/Pilgrim/Bhaalgorn route. I agree it ruins a couple of nice ships like the curse, bhaalgron and other ships that have bonuses for NOS but hey let them take one for the team and make the other ships enjoyable for example the deimos. I do assume that the ships with NOS bonus will be balanced.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.01 22:23:00 - [46] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Herculite So NOS's were broken since they were put in game, broken in such a way that required pretty much nerfing them to useless, and it took the Devs this long to fix it? If thats true it doesn't really look good for CCP that way either. A friend of mine just spent several billion putting together a pride and joy ship, a Bhaalgorn. Sucks to be him eh? Maybe, and I'm not convinced but maybe, NOS's needed to be changed a bit, but this isn't balancing, this is DOAC style, flavor of the month, nerfing, which turns something to utter trash in one patch. I'm not happy with the patching lately, seems to be very whine related, but nerfs, lag, and boring pos fights are all I feel I've seen increase in the last 6 months. or if you opened your eyes you'd see that nos works just fine still. it just doesn't work on a passive tank. what is your point? they didn't get nerfed... they are just as strong as they used to be. but now larger ships can't nos small ships while small ships can nos big ships. No they don't just work fine. I know you like the nerf, you keep posting how wonderful it is, but I completely disagree. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.08.01 22:26:00 - [47] OMG I quit CCP is nerfing yet another IWIN set up that should have never been allowed in the first place!!! I soooo tired of CCP nerfing all the IWIN setups that they goofed on placing in game to start with.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.01 22:41:00 - [48] Ok I thought about it...you say this is a boost for Ammar...In a way you are right...but then again you are wrong. Ammar are the most cap dependant race in the game Yes the patch makes it so that my cap won't be drained in seconds...but then again there was always a way to Nos back. Now no matter what, all my enemy has to do is make sure his cap is lower than mine...all this nerf did was change the rules for my enemy...because as Ammar...I AM CAP DEPENDANT...meaning Nos no longer provides me with the free "risk free" energy. Actually to fit Nos you have to sacrifice at least 1200PG and a highslot....so I don't see how that is risk free. That means one less cap guzzling laser...but maybe I should just train blasters or something and fit that to my ship... ------------------- New account on EvE-Online...$19.95 100 Day GTC...$49.95 2 Month supply of German beer...$200.00 Having your computer die because of Hello Kitty online...Priceless
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.08.01 22:43:00 - [49] I see where the OP is going, the level of change is the only aspect that is suprising to me. With the current idea implemented it is going to change how nos works dramatically. I think if ccp is locked in on this if the enemy has less% of cap than you approach it could be made to nerf, but lighter. Such as if you have higher % of cap than target nos still works but works less well, and it could be scaling amount of how little it works vs the difference in %... That would be less of a blow, and they could try it out for a month or so and then revisit if the full nerf would need to be implemented. I just think the ONLY way a mmo will ever be balanced is if they take small movements when dialing in their nerfs, buffs, ect.
Grapez Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.01 23:50:00 - [50] Originally by: OP I don't know about you, but I do cherish my time and money because both are limited. So I try to be coherent and attempt to make good use of those two finite assets. Ha! You wrote this little whine in the most obtuse, roundabout manner possible, and I can't believe you still had the gall to suggest that you "cherish [your] time and money." Shorter OP: "Yes, you can have my stuff[/b] @º¬íí-T«+ºH for all your political humor needs
Semkhet Saudarkars	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:28:00 - [51] Edited by: Semkhet on 02/08/2007 06:31:58 Originally by: Grapez Originally by: OP I don't know about you, but I do cherish my time and money because both are limited. So I try to be coherent and attempt to make good use of those two finite assets. Ha! You wrote this little whine in the most obtuse, roundabout manner possible, and I can't believe you still had the gall to suggest that you "cherish [your] time and money." Shorter OP: "Yes, you can have my stuff[/b] I hope that you are happy in your one-liner world, but don't expect any pertinent reply when you can't even address the matter at hand. Do you also dismiss your girl friend's needs (provided you have one) in 90 seconds ? Psychology teaches that we often define ourselves by the way we interpret data, and some replies in this thread are cute under that angle.
Alis Aquilae	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:45:00 - [52] What a ridiculous whine. As stated, you admitted yourself that NOS is overpowered. If everyone has to fit one form of electronic warfare to have a greater than zero chance of winning against that module, then the module isn't balanced. Furthermore, there is no size counter to nos. An inty fitting some NOS isn't going to do anything about a heavy nos. In my opinion this game is already far too harsh on the role of a tackler thanks to easy kill tools like NOS. Make sure you cancel all 15 of your accounts, and not just the one, to cause maximum damage to CCP!

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:54:00 - [53] There is an existing thread to discuss the nos changes. This is the wrong forum. Thread Locked click ___ Questions/Complaints/Opinions/Bree \| Rules


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