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Shern
Minmatar Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:27:00 -
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I'd like to thank everyone who attended my wedding two days ago.
The lord of the station at Deliverance, Lonewolfnight for granting permission for my bridesmail to attend the ceremony and for allowing us to use the station facilities.
My guardian Scagga, for his wisdom and mercy in making my wedding day a day to remember
My mother in law Laerise Fierach. I'm sorry that matters didn't go as you would have liked. I think it's best that I don't come to the family estates for a few months.
Minister Ogoel Marek for taking the service and for the traditional Ammatar ceremony
Mori, for coming to support me despite the dangers.
To all the guests and well-wishers, thank you very much all, especially the other Delictum pilots ! Kark, I hope the hangover wasn't too bad.
My husband and I are relaxing at a resort house on Leva. Kigal was very shaken by the events that took place after the wedding. I've forgiven him for the incident involving his kamieras in my hanger. I know that despite our many differences and our flaws, now that god has joined us we will grow together, in good times and in bad. Neither of us would have chosen this marriage on our own but we will try to make it work.
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Tablaren
Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:59:00 -
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Many congratulations on your marriage Shern, May you both find happyness in each others presence. =3
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Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:25:00 -
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It was quite an experience and I'm glad I could come. ___
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:21:00 -
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My best wishes to you and your husband. I hope that you will be able to raise your children in an era of peace. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:49:00 -
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You and your kind are an insult to humanity. Your sacrifice is meaningless. Parading it here in no way justifys it. I hope any progeny will curse your weakness. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |

Aria Jenneth
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 02/08/2007 16:02:40 *the message window opens to a view of Aria sitting at a black-laquered desk. Her smile is friendly, though her eyebrows keep drawing together every time she tries to clear her expression, which she does repeatedly over several seconds. She visibly struggles to find something to say, opens her mouth brightly, and then shuts it a second later, frowning. She tries again, mouth open, to find some use to put her voice to, then shakes her head and closes her mouth again. Smiling apologetically and looking troubled, she closes the transmission*
Aria Jenneth Hakase 016 Omerta Syndicate |

Aria Jenneth
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:05:00 -
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*reappears in the next transmission, her scowl greatly deepened*
It's not often that I say something like this, so I hope you'll understand the depth of feeling behind the following statement.
Mister Jeekin, you are a toad.
*cuts the feed*
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin You and your kind are an insult to humanity. Your sacrifice is meaningless. Parading it here in no way justifys it. I hope any progeny will curse your weakness.
...I struggle to find any words to respond to this. Disgusting.
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Paddington
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin You and your kind are an insult to humanity. Your sacrifice is meaningless. Parading it here in no way justifys it. I hope any progeny will curse your weakness.
The ammatar are blood traitors and deserve to be killed -
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:57:00 -
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I have to agree here. Ammatars sided with the Amarrians when it was conveniant to there own survival. A cowardly move. Despite Amarrian relations to Caldari State interests, You can not respect those who bow to the invader while others stand and fight.
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro
Originally by: Kade Jeekin You and your kind are an insult to humanity. Your sacrifice is meaningless. Parading it here in no way justifys it. I hope any progeny will curse your weakness.
...I struggle to find any words to respond to this. Disgusting.
Shern is twice the traitor. She once bore a proud name, but now it is a sad mark on the lists of the Kinda'Shuuja. The Masuat'aa remember...
I weep for your wedding day.
Mark my words carefully, Shern...
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel I have to agree here. Ammatars sided with the Amarrians when it was conveniant to there own survival. A cowardly move. Despite Amarrian relations to Caldari State interests, You can not respect those who bow to the invader while others stand and fight.
We have noted this statement. Delictum 23216 will not look towards your corporation in our next round of trade deals with Caldari capsuleer organisations.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shern Edited by: Shern on 02/08/2007 05:38:46 I'd like to thank everyone who attended my wedding two days ago.
The lord of the station at Deliverance, Lonewolfnight for granting permission for my bridesmaid to attend the ceremony and for allowing us to use the station facilities.
My guardian Scagga, for his wisdom and mercy in making my wedding day a day to remember
My mother in law Laerise Fierach. I'm sorry that matters didn't go as you would have liked. I think it's best that I don't come to the family estates for a few months.
Minister Ogoel Marek for taking the service and for the traditional Ammatar ceremony
Mori, for coming to support me despite the dangers.
To all the guests and well-wishers, thank you very much all, especially the other Delictum pilots ! Kark, I hope the hangover wasn't too bad.
My husband and I are relaxing at a resort house on Leva. Kigal was very shaken by the events that took place after the wedding. I've forgiven him for the incident involving his kamieras in my hanger. I know that despite our many differences and our flaws, now that god has joined us we will grow together, in good times and in bad. Neither of us would have chosen this marriage on our own but we will try to make it work.
An Ammatar wedding in the halls of Unity Station? Can you shame your blood any more than this? You continue to walk further and further into shame turning your back on your birthright.
To think you once stood in those holes as one of the Kinda'Shuuja. May the Shaman's of the Vherokior curse this union!
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Robert Kauliford
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Kauliford on 02/08/2007 22:10:17 Sorry
Would have loved to have attended. Unfortunately I started the party of early. Woke up the next morning with a 20k isk bar bill and a 20mil isk bill from my clone operator for extreme neural degradation. Apparently my clone had seen less damage than in pilots on the wrong end of a doomsday device.
I hope you are very happy together.
If not
Well accidents happen in space
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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.03 02:27:00 -
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You attended this event, Mori? I'd be very interested in seeing how many other "Matari" were on the guest list.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:43:00 -
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Nachshon, Shern is a pod pilot. She is free if she so wills it. I will examine her next corpse and see if there's any chemistry/mind links forcing her against her will. The Ammatar goal is not one of cooperation but of submission and dominance for their own gain. They parade this as some virtue, a noble sacrifice. It is a con, they are coming for you and for your children. They are the lapdogs of the Amarrians, the true enemy. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |

Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Chungito You attended this event, Mori? I'd be very interested in seeing how many other "Matari" were on the guest list.
Yes, I participated, and I was not on any guest list. ___
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Rakiro on 03/08/2007 11:53:40
Originally by: Chishan
Shern is twice the traitor. She once bore a proud name, but now it is a sad mark on the lists of the Kinda'Shuuja. The Masuat'aa remember...
I weep for your wedding day.
Mark my words carefully, Shern...
A wedding should be a joyous occasion for everyone, regardless of blood, race or political standpoint.
Whether Shern is a traitor or not doesn't matter, she deserves to be congratdulated. Spitting venom not only ruins what should be the happiest time of the couple's lives, but it cheapens the whole idea of two souls being joined in this way.
I would hope that the Ushra'Khan, who constantly accuse the Amarrians of caring nothing for the sancity of human life, would have enough respect and decency to - at the very least - bite their tongues and save their hatred for the battlefield.
Clearly i'm mistaken.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro I would hope that the Ushra'Khan, who constantly accuse the Amarrians of caring nothing for the sancity of human life
I do not think the U'K have actually ever been much about the sanctity of human life as such. They are about the freedom of our people, all of them, immediately -- and if lives need to be sacrificed for that, let alone enemy lives, so be it.
Gallente tend to often associate the sanctity of individual life as other noble values such as freedom or loyalty to your kin, so it is an understandable mistake from yourself.
If I have in any way misrepresented U'K, I am quite sure they will correct it fast.
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I do not think the U'K have actually ever been much about the sanctity of human life as such. They are about the freedom of our people, all of them, immediately -- and if lives need to be sacrificed for that, let alone enemy lives, so be it.
It is said that an omelette cannot be made without breaking eggs. Accomodationists like Elsebeth and the ***** Midular will keep this conflict going for centuries. We feel that -- in the long run -- fewer will suffer or die if we take stronger action now.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon If I have in any way misrepresented U'K, I am quite sure they will correct it fast.
You know us well.
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Laerise
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:41:00 -
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An old shepperds saying.
"The white sheep goes baa. The black sheep goes baa. They all are the same in the end, sheep."
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
I did not say it was, and neither do I think so. My quarrel with the U'K is not about the morality of your methods, but about the sensibility of them in the current situation.
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rakiro Edited by: Rakiro on 03/08/2007 11:53:40
Originally by: Chishan
Shern is twice the traitor. She once bore a proud name, but now it is a sad mark on the lists of the Kinda'Shuuja. The Masuat'aa remember...
I weep for your wedding day.
Mark my words carefully, Shern...
A wedding should be a joyous occasion for everyone, regardless of blood, race or political standpoint.
Whether Shern is a traitor or not doesn't matter, she deserves to be congratdulated. Spitting venom not only ruins what should be the happiest time of the couple's lives, but it cheapens the whole idea of two souls being joined in this way.
I would hope that the Ushra'Khan, who constantly accuse the Amarrians of caring nothing for the sancity of human life, would have enough respect and decency to - at the very least - bite their tongues and save their hatred for the battlefield.
Clearly i'm mistaken.
You show your ignorance. What of Shern's choice? What of her right to marry for joy, for love? That is what is being spit on here. Instead, she is husbanded, like some kind of animal. Her feelings in the situation made irrelevant. Is this what you intend to congratulate? An event where a woman is given, as property?
So save your comments from the sidelines, Gallente. It's sentimental, misinformed meddling like this that has helped turn the Republic into the appeasing, political prostitute that it is today.
Everthing about that ceremony was a mockery. The location, the manner, everything. It is, as has been said, a cursed event.
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chishan
You show your ignorance. What of Shern's choice? What of her right to marry for joy, for love? That is what is being spit on here. Instead, she is husbanded, like some kind of animal. Her feelings in the situation made irrelevant. Is this what you intend to congratulate? An event where a woman is given, as property?
So save your comments from the sidelines, Gallente. It's sentimental, misinformed meddling like this that has helped turn the Republic into the appeasing, political prostitute that it is today.
Everthing about that ceremony was a mockery. The location, the manner, everything. It is, as has been said, a cursed event.
Firstly, I would like to clarify that I am of Intaki blood, not Gallente.
This is interesting... I was under the impression that Mrs. Shern had chosen to wed him herself... I was unaware that this was somesort of arranged marriage, which if true does change things somewhat.
I do find it bizarre however that in your first post in this thread you seemed rather vindictive of Shern, and now you appear to be concerned for her freedom of choice? As you said however, I am ignorant of the full facts so i'll refrain from speculation here.
Oh, and as for your sideswipe about keeping my comments to myself, I am fully within my right to have an opinion. By all means feel free to correct me if that opinion is misinformed, but I will share it at my discretion and not anyone elses, regardless of what others think about it.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.04 09:51:00 -
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Firstly, Electus Matari turning a blind eye to those who kill innocent Matari in Matari space and now the Electus Matari are dancing with the slavers and their lapdogs.
How sickened I am to see how darkended your ways have become. I can only hope you see the error of the path you follow before it becomes too late for you.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.04 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/08/2007 11:17:07 Now it is not only U'K twisting our words and ways, but also NMTZ, who I thought had more sense than to jump into conclusions and call for wars?
Aodha, brother, you should know me better than to throw around such accusations.
One member of the alliance was present in the event, and her not invited, and not representing us. She took a risk, out of her own initiative, and not only returned alive, but also brought with her another soul to freedom. What is there to criticize?
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.04 11:22:00 -
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The bonding of two filth encrusted traitors, how emotional *laughs*, the only ceromony of shern's I will celebrate is her funeral and I would happily see her traiterous body fed to the slaver hounds that her amarr friends have so much love for.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 04/08/2007 12:12:27
If you accept a pilot in your ranks who openly attends slaver ceremonies and declares they were glad to be there. If you accept a Matari freedom fighting group entering Matari space to kill anyone who doesn't have standing with them, then so be it Elsebeth. These are not accusations, these are facts.
War? Did I mention war? You seem to show more peaceful diplomacy towards those Amattar filth than you do those fighting the battle against slavery and oppression coming from the Empire and it's lapdogs. Since I fight for the Matari people I hardly think a war against my brethren would be in my thoughts over such an issue.
Not to mention, the dishonour of this maggot ceremony being held at a recently taken Ushra'Khan outpost. I would think you of all people would understand the message this is sending out to others about your organisation. You say this does not represent your alliance, your members are your alliance and as such your alliance is responsible for their actions.
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Tablaren
Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2007.08.04 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 04/08/2007 12:12:27
If you accept a pilot in your ranks who openly attends slaver ceremonies and declares they were glad to be there. If you accept a Matari freedom fighting group entering Matari space to kill anyone who doesn't have standing with them, then so be it Elsebeth. These are not accusations, these are facts.
War? Did I mention war? You seem to show more peaceful diplomacy towards those Amattar filth than you do those fighting the battle against slavery and oppression coming from the Empire and it's lapdogs. Since I fight for the Matari people I hardly think a war against my brethren would be in my thoughts over such an issue.
Not to mention, the dishonour of this maggot ceremony being held at a recently taken Ushra'Khan outpost. I would think you of all people would understand the message this is sending out to others about your organisation. You say this does not represent your alliance, your members are your alliance and as such your alliance is responsible for their actions.
You talk big to try one up one of the few people who shows a bit of intelligence and thought in addition to resolve.
However I've yet to see any evidence of Namarataz Khin other then battle reports and concord recordings of you being crushed by Infod. Which is strange considering I've been shot up by U'K in providence, seen EM and Colon aid convoys, and been engaged by fimbulwinter in bleak.
So what accomplishment do you have behind your back to warrant a fact that you are attacking a matari organization that's freed hundreds of thousands of matari, provided relief for more then that, sent pilots to aid U'k despite their bad relations, and is willing to see if they can free thousands more by simply talking to an amattar group?
I can't think of one, which leads me to wonder who you are to undermine someone who is activly trying to help your people. It sounds rather like treason to undermine your comrades in arms who are trying to free your own people.
But then, I can't profess to be an expert on matari, perhaps it's culturally acceptable to let your people stay enslaved and try to fight for them instead of simply negotiating their release.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.04 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tablaren
Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 04/08/2007 12:12:27
If you accept a pilot in your ranks who openly attends slaver ceremonies and declares they were glad to be there. If you accept a Matari freedom fighting group entering Matari space to kill anyone who doesn't have standing with them, then so be it Elsebeth. These are not accusations, these are facts.
War? Did I mention war? You seem to show more peaceful diplomacy towards those Amattar filth than you do those fighting the battle against slavery and oppression coming from the Empire and it's lapdogs. Since I fight for the Matari people I hardly think a war against my brethren would be in my thoughts over such an issue.
Not to mention, the dishonour of this maggot ceremony being held at a recently taken Ushra'Khan outpost. I would think you of all people would understand the message this is sending out to others about your organisation. You say this does not represent your alliance, your members are your alliance and as such your alliance is responsible for their actions.
You talk big to try one up one of the few people who shows a bit of intelligence and thought in addition to resolve.
However I've yet to see any evidence of Namarataz Khin other then battle reports and concord recordings of you being crushed by Infod. Which is strange considering I've been shot up by U'K in providence, seen EM and Colon aid convoys, and been engaged by fimbulwinter in bleak.
So what accomplishment do you have behind your back to warrant a fact that you are attacking a matari organization that's freed hundreds of thousands of matari, provided relief for more then that, sent pilots to aid U'k despite their bad relations, and is willing to see if they can free thousands more by simply talking to an amattar group?
I can't think of one, which leads me to wonder who you are to undermine someone who is activly trying to help your people. It sounds rather like treason to undermine your comrades in arms who are trying to free your own people.
But then, I can't profess to be an expert on matari, perhaps it's culturally acceptable to let your people stay enslaved and try to fight for them instead of simply negotiating their release.
If you are no expert on the matari (which you clearly are not) then why make such comments? your ancestors did not suffer at the hands of the slavers or the traiterous ammatar did they? One thing many of us have learned is that talking will not resolve our issues, the slavers and their puppets only understand violence, many more slaves are rescued through violence than through talking thats for sure, its a sad fact but true.
You also come here talking well of those filthy pirates INFOD? while at the same time trying to drag NMTZ name through the mud for trying to protect good people from INFOD's cruel onslaughts. Aodah Khan is an old friend of mine and is twice the man you will ever live to be, so in future you would do well to silence your tongue or risk having it cut out.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.04 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/08/2007 17:11:48 Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/08/2007 17:11:08
Originally by: Aodha Khan If you accept a pilot in your ranks who openly attends slaver ceremonies and declares they were glad to be there.
... and so forth.
I have spoken with your diplomat about this.
All I have to say here is these things:
If you think a member of EM risking her life to go to an enemy event, to come back with alive, and with another soul in freedom, is something inexcusable -- maybe it should be EM jumping to conclusions about NMTZ, and not the other way round.
If you have questions or concerns about our policies, but do not have enough respect towards us to contact us about them in private, before starting to throw around accusations in public, I do not see why I should respect you enough to answer them.
I have flown both with NMTZ and with EM. I see no reason why the former should feel any superior about what they do for the good fight, or what they do for Matari unity.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Electus Matari, alliance diplomat
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Curry Kior
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Posted - 2007.08.04 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Curry Kior on 04/08/2007 17:14:58 Aodha Khan speaks as an individual and does not speak for Namtz'aar K'in on this matter. An official post is forthcoming.
Curry Kior Interim Chief Diplomat, NMTZ
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.04 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/08/2007 17:11:48 Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 04/08/2007 17:11:08
Originally by: Aodha Khan If you accept a pilot in your ranks who openly attends slaver ceremonies and declares they were glad to be there.
... and so forth.
I have spoken with your diplomat about this.
All I have to say here is these things:
If you think a member of EM risking her life to go to an enemy event, to come back with alive, and with another soul in freedom, is something inexcusable -- maybe it should be EM jumping to conclusions about NMTZ, and not the other way round.
If you have questions or concerns about our policies, but do not have enough respect towards us to contact us about them in private, before starting to throw around accusations in public, I do not see why I should respect you enough to answer them.
I have flown both with NMTZ and with EM. I see no reason why the former should feel any superior about what they do for the good fight, or what they do for Matari unity.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Electus Matari, alliance diplomat
You really are the queen of spin are you not elsebeth? You mean you expect me and anyone else with at least half a brain to believe the pilot in mention risked her life to get to that disgusting ceremony? The only way anyone would have got into "UNITY" would have been with permision from the slavers that currently defile it. You constantly use the word "respect" elsebeth, I can't speak for Aodah but i personally couldnt care less if you respect me or anyone else, for your respect means nothing as far as I am concerned.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.04 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous You really are the queen of spin are you not elsebeth? You mean you expect me and anyone else with at least half a brain to believe the pilot in mention risked her life to get to that disgusting ceremony? The only way anyone would have got into "UNITY" would have been with permision from the slavers that currently defile it.
And you think trusting a slaver's word is not a risk? While blaming us for having a too high an opinion of them?
Quote: You constantly use the word "respect" elsebeth, I can't speak for Aodah but i personally couldnt care less if you respect me or anyone else, for your respect means nothing as far as I am concerned.
Thank you, nice to have that clarified.
Elsebeth
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.05 03:09:00 -
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I have seen through the mists, this is a nest of traitors feasting in a cursed place.
May you freeze up in battle to be warmed by the fire of my guns. The only freedom I offer the Ammatar and those who ally with them is the freedom of death.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.05 07:24:00 -
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Ugh, so much hatred. I understand it, but it is still unpleasant.
Fine, you want my opinion? I think that there is a good reason why EM has been showing a friendly side to DELEO - while, at the same time, maintaining a war against two Amarr paramilitaries (PIE and VV).
We seek to drive a wedge between the Amarr and the Ammatar. This, I believe, is possible. I may be a pathological optimist, but I could imagine Shern returning to the Republic. If a certain pilot who I now count as a friend could leave CVA and join the Minmatar cause, surely one who is born in the Republic can come home. Perhaps one day, the Nefantar will come home.
You may think I am a wishy-washy peace-lover, but I do see a military advantage to this. We would gain an entire region - increasing the Republic's territory by a full third - and rather than losing ships in combat, gain ships as the Ammatar Fleet joins the Republic Fleet. The morale blow inflicted on the Empire in doing so would be crippling. And in the event that the Republic later went to war with the Empire, rather than having to fight through Derelik, we would tear straight into the Empire itself. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tablaren
However I've yet to see any evidence of Namarataz Khin other then battle reports and concord recordings of you being crushed by Infod.
So what accomplishment do you have behind your back
Not CONCORD recordings, INFOD recordings. I think you are mistaken and completely fooled into believing propoganda. Not surprising given the intelligence shown in your post here.
Oracle. Paratwa. Ushra'Khan council. Fought in the Blood Wars against the Empire. Now fighting inside Matari regions against criminals and pirates. I suggest you check my employment history and do some research before making blind and foolish statements.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nachshon Ugh, so much hatred. I understand it, but it is still unpleasant.
Fine, you want my opinion? I think that there is a good reason why EM has been showing a friendly side to DELEO - while, at the same time, maintaining a war against two Amarr paramilitaries (PIE and VV).
We seek to drive a wedge between the Amarr and the Ammatar. This, I believe, is possible. I may be a pathological optimist, but I could imagine Shern returning to the Republic. If a certain pilot who I now count as a friend could leave CVA and join the Minmatar cause, surely one who is born in the Republic can come home. Perhaps one day, the Nefantar will come home.
You may think I am a wishy-washy peace-lover, but I do see a military advantage to this. We would gain an entire region - increasing the Republic's territory by a full third - and rather than losing ships in combat, gain ships as the Ammatar Fleet joins the Republic Fleet. The morale blow inflicted on the Empire in doing so would be crippling. And in the event that the Republic later went to war with the Empire, rather than having to fight through Derelik, we would tear straight into the Empire itself.
The most important thing you are missing here nachshon isnt so much that "if we can get the nefantar back on side" but more "do we want them back on side", I personally as well as many others do "not", to be peaceful with them would mean we would have to forgive them, which for me is impossible, the pain, suffering and traiterous acts they committed on our ancestors can never be forgiven by me and should not be forgiven by anyone else.
I can only put it down to you being caldari that you would want peace between the minmatar and the ammatar, for your ancestors did not have to suffer and your people do not suffer them today, but don't take it the wrong way! I wouldnt expect you to understand, so I wont hold it against you.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:08:00 -
[39]
As Nebolous said, Mr. Nachshon, the question is what price are you willing to pay for that. If the price is turning a blind eye to the enslavement of our brothers by the Ammatarr it is too high, I think.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.05 10:27:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nachshon Ugh, so much hatred. I understand it, but it is still unpleasant.
Fine, you want my opinion? I think that there is a good reason why EM has been showing a friendly side to DELEO - while, at the same time, maintaining a war against two Amarr paramilitaries (PIE and VV).
We seek to drive a wedge between the Amarr and the Ammatar. This, I believe, is possible. I may be a pathological optimist, but I could imagine Shern returning to the Republic. If a certain pilot who I now count as a friend could leave CVA and join the Minmatar cause, surely one who is born in the Republic can come home. Perhaps one day, the Nefantar will come home....
I you think this is unpleasant you should try having your tribe betrayed and robbed by your neighbours while the majority of your population is enslaved or killed. I doubt I would even need to mention the strip mining of our homeworld and the ongoing damage to our ecology.
If the Electus Matari seek to drive a wedge between the Amarr and the Ammatar then by all means get them to wipe each other out. Just make sure they don't hear about the plan or they won't fall for it.
I have some Nefantar I can send 'home' to you. Well, the bodies at least. The heads belong to me.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:06:00 -
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Nachshon speaks as a private pilot and of his own understanding. He is not privy to high level information inside Electus Matari.
I will not comment on Electus Matari strategic plans on a public forum like this. Those who wish to know and think they should, should contact either myself or Evanda Char in space.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Electus Matari, alliance diplomat
-- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
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Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar Vaapad Shinobis
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:49:00 -
[42]
To think..Elsebeth used to give lessons in diplomacy...I'll let you all draw your own conclusions ftrom that! As far as the oold chestnut of NMTZ being destroyed by INFOD.. Every enemy NMTZ fights says they slaughter them yet when INFOD left Molden Heath(of their own volition apparently)..the Combat ratios were pretty much even.
As to what NMTZ does/has done..well...a lot of their pilots are actively engaged fighting pirates(not negotiating with them like some)... Thus NMTZ,at least on a tactical command level,is active in defending the People of Matar..while others talk!
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Ogoel Marek
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Posted - 2007.08.05 22:44:00 -
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Shern, congratulations on your wedding. May the Lord of light, love, and true freedom that reigns supreme inside the hearts of every believer continue prospering you and your loved one. My prayers and those of the whole Ammatar community will be with you now and forever. Our Amarrian faith will bring you joy during the good times and will give you strength during the hardships of life. Blessings upon you and upon your generations.
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Ogoel Marek
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Posted - 2007.08.05 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ogoel Marek on 05/08/2007 23:07:06 Edited by: Ogoel Marek on 05/08/2007 23:04:53 I remember that before the ceremony Lord Scagga pointed out a few hard to remove bloodstains left on the floor. I asked our Matari slaves to remove it immediately because even though some of it could have been honorably shed by our Amarrian superiors on Deliverance Reclaimed during the purging of heathens it could have most likely spilled on the floor from the dishonorable terrorists that once held this area of space in the clutches of fear and terror.
It was an honor as Minister to the Ammatar to stand in Deliverance Reclaimed and officiate at a noble ceremony of Marriage. It was all done according to our Amarrian faith and within the context of our simple Ammatar culture. Some here have called it a statement. I think it is just the hand of God moving his chosen, the Amarr, through the universe and touching the lives of those that allow themselves to be touched.
It is better to willingly go into slavery than to go against the will of the God of the universe. Even though we might not understand why God has commanded and allowed things to be the way they are, we should stand fast and believe that in the end God's Perfect Will will reign supreme.
The Matari here should remember this. It may very well be in your future to unite with the Ammatar and allow us to guide you to freedom. Fighting us might not be in your best interests, or ours. As in this ceremony of Marriage; sometimes "Freedom" can be achieved by surrendering in love. Ogoel Marek Edit: image
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.08.06 11:18:00 -
[45]
It would be in your best interest, Ogoel, to continue hiding behind your CVA protectors, for if I ever find you, or any of your scumbag corpmates in Derelik you will wish you had never been born.
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Rakiro
Gallente Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:05:00 -
[46]
*Rakiro sighs*
Only on Galnet could a simple congratulatory post about a wedding be turned into an argument on politics.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:15:00 -
[47]
It was made political the moment it was made public. You cannot deny the symbolism in this marriage ceremony.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.06 19:55:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Shern Neither of us would have chosen this marriage on our own but we will try to make it work.
This begs the question: If neither of you, then who DID choose this for you? -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:12:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Originally by: Shern Neither of us would have chosen this marriage on our own but we will try to make it work.
This begs the question: If neither of you, then who DID choose this for you?
Scagga and Laerise ___
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:25:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Mori Felding
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Originally by: Shern Neither of us would have chosen this marriage on our own but we will try to make it work.
This begs the question: If neither of you, then who DID choose this for you?
Scagga and Laerise
Shern, please don't tell little lies. Do you remember your marriage vows?
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Cypress Cavalero
The Steel Ravens
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Posted - 2007.08.06 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 06/08/2007 21:57:22
Originally by: Kade Jeekin You and your kind are an insult to humanity. Your sacrifice is meaningless. Parading it here in no way justifys it. I hope any progeny will curse your weakness.
Respect is a quality you should seriosuly think about developing, there are no skillbooks that can train ths for you, your on your own here pal. Whilst you may hold ill will for the parties involved this isnt the correct galnet channel for it. Mind you i dont think there is an extremist racist xenophobic channel as yet. Called xenophobic by a caldari, ouch thats gotta hurt.
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Wanoah
Minmatar NeuroGEN
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Posted - 2007.08.06 22:42:00 -
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What is it about Matari weddings, eh? Everybody always gets drunk and starts fighting.
Of course, the fraternal tiff with the Nefantar dates back a few years now, and there's an awful lot of bad blood. I've said and done a few angry things myself in this regard, like many people here.
Recently though, I've got to thinking about the old traitors. You see, they have form when it comes to treachery, and maybe when it comes right down to it, they will betray their owners and stick the knife in where it really hurts - armed uprising against the Empire. This is probably the only way the poor old outcast Nefantar Tribe can find some redemption and absolve itself of its collective sins.
As for the newlyweds, I would like to wish them well, but I don't really see a bright future. The only thing worse than a Nefantar traitor is someone from the other tribes going over to their side. You may as well have sold your own mother into slavery. It's a bitter betrayal and unforgivable I think.
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Shern
Minmatar Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:31:00 -
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Not *everybody* starts fighting. Only..well, it's all sorted out now. *bright tone*
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KhanJohn
Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.07 14:46:00 -
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i find it truly sad brothers of the Ushrakhan, even my good old friend nebulous and you telemicus that you cna truly wish for the Amarri and Ammatar to wipe each other out, we are different generations to the ones that committed those acts so long ago, i ask you this would you kill me to satisfy your need for vengeance when i openly support your views, if the Amarr oppresion is overthrown and the slavers thrown out and slaves released will you still fight??? one day hostilities must end, the Ammatar are giving up slaves to EM to free them, Tavok was freed...this is a sign brothers...or would you spit on that sign?? i do not agree with the forced wedding...but Moris participation was choice of a free mind...do not slate her for this...
She bears no insult to us by attending, the loss of unity well i was there damnit and we worked hard to get it back for a short while to evacuate i am as bitter to the taste of this wedding as you but i will hold that against the CVA, not against those who bear no blame for its fall, you focus your anger if you must but dragging EM's name through the dirt greatly dissapoints me you should know better my brother syou should know better.
People ask me what i am if i am not Amarran - i am a free "Amarri" all exiled amarrans who do not believe the tainted prophets are!
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Nebulous
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: KhanJohn i find it truly sad brothers of the Ushrakhan, even my good old friend nebulous and you telemicus that you cna truly wish for the Amarri and Ammatar to wipe each other out, we are different generations to the ones that committed those acts so long ago, i ask you this would you kill me to satisfy your need for vengeance when i openly support your views, if the Amarr oppresion is overthrown and the slavers thrown out and slaves released will you still fight??? one day hostilities must end, the Ammatar are giving up slaves to EM to free them, Tavok was freed...this is a sign brothers...or would you spit on that sign?? i do not agree with the forced wedding...but Moris participation was choice of a free mind...do not slate her for this...
She bears no insult to us by attending, the loss of unity well i was there damnit and we worked hard to get it back for a short while to evacuate i am as bitter to the taste of this wedding as you but i will hold that against the CVA, not against those who bear no blame for its fall, you focus your anger if you must but dragging EM's name through the dirt greatly dissapoints me you should know better my brother syou should know better.
I ask for your forgiveness khanjohn if I have upset you with my words, however I believe you have confused my words with someone elses, I have never suggested that the amarr and ammatar should wipe each other out, I would like to see the ammatar and "slavers" wipe each other out,there is a difference between amarian and slaver as you of course know. My hatred of the ammatar runs even deeper than that of your average slaver, a slaver is spoonfed from birth how to inflict suffering and pain on our race, so they do not in effect, know any better, The ammatar on the other hand turned traitor of their own will, they disgrace our bloodline and can never be forgiven, the only way forward I can see for the ammatar is for them to be eradicated.
Anyone that is an enemy of slavery should not have attended that funeral, it being at UNITY only added insult, but it was the actual attendence to this ceremony that I found most insulting "not" the venue.
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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.08 08:25:00 -
[56]
I see the attendance of this wedding by any free-hearted Matari at what was once UNITY Station as more than an insult. I see it as an act of betrayal and collaboration. Blood is thick and the ties it forms are strong, but once they are severed and disrespected they can not be easily re-paired.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.08 08:56:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Chungito I see the attendance of this wedding by any free-hearted Matari at what was once UNITY Station as more than an insult. I see it as an act of betrayal and collaboration. Blood is thick and the ties it forms are strong, but once they are severed and disrespected they can not be easily re-paired.
That you see things so black and white, you have become that which you hate.
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Chungito
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.08 09:12:00 -
[58]
If that's the price, I'll pay it. I've done worse things than make threatening speaches on public summits. I sleep easily enough at night with the blood of thousands on my hands and their voices in my dreams, you claiming I've become Amarrian or Ammatar won't keep me up.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:02:00 -
[59]
You're of no use to your people.
It's clear that the ego in you is strong - since your organisation had failed to build anything to bring good, you forfeited morality in order to be hatefully remembered.
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Mori Felding
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.08 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mori Felding on 08/08/2007 10:20:06
Originally by: Chungito If that's the price, I'll pay it. I've done worse things than make threatening speaches on public summits. I sleep easily enough at night with the blood of thousands on my hands and their voices in my dreams, you claiming I've become Amarrian or Ammatar won't keep me up.
Thankfully these kinda arguments makes your opinion rather irrelevant and easily ignored. If you had anything substantial to say we might care to listen, but this kind of hate rabble you can keep to your own. We don't care.
If seeing things black and white you obviously have nothing new to contribute, than what you already stated. Maybe its just me, but people seeing things in absolutes is always disturbing as there's never really any change in them. ___
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.08 17:51:00 -
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There are things in life that need to be absolute and there are things you can compromise on. Making too many compromises and you will lose your path. Remember that, Mori Fielding, the next time you make a compromise to the Ammatar. Unity was a symbol and it still is.
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Murgen Black
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Posted - 2007.08.08 23:44:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Murgen Black on 08/08/2007 23:44:46 *Transmission Scrambled*
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Chishan
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.08 23:48:00 -
[63]
Mori, understand that we bled for that place. For a time we bled alone. A long time.
Do not discount the consequences your actions may hold so easily.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.09 01:58:00 -
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Dogs.
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