Originally by: Bethesda Vortarhiat

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<<NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post.>>

Then they'd best be prepared to reap the whirlwind when they eventually attract some genre competition.

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Originally by: Onnawa

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Edited by: Onnawa on 03/08/2007 10:43:25
What I'd actually like to see are more boosts...period. And make the Players (read "Whiners") more responsible here. The nerf is the easy and lazy answer, and shame on CCP for taking that way out. If you consider real-world application, what then? Einstein and Oppenheimer were born; they knew what they knew, and they created what they created. Can we magically nerf nuclear weapons now because we've decided they're a bad idea in hindsight? The only way out is up. When the tank was invented, we invented the anti-tank weapon. When radar was invented, we countered with jamming. Look at the coming Nos nerf...did anyone think of or suggest an Energy Stabilizer module that reduces their effectiveness? "Hell no! That'll interfere with our kits and force us to rethink our lives! Just break em!!!"

I'm not saying all nerfs were bad...the Doomsday, for example. It was ill-conceived (although awesome) from the start, and no amount of upward thinking could counter it anywhere in the foreseeable future. CCP did the right thing there. But more modules and more options can only be a good thing, and it's the laziness of CCP and the playerbase that says otherwise.

And actually, I've never used more than 2 nos on any ship in my entire eve career, thank you so much. I live and die outside the box, and the only place you'll see nos for me is on a tackler to keep me alive til the big guns arrive, or on a maelstrom when I know I'm headed into long odds.

Calling me "Cookie Cutter" is like calling Bea Arthur an "attractive woman".

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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I can't say I agree, the Nosferatu is overpowered, I had hoped for another solution though but a nerf of them is most welcome and I say this as someone who flies the nos-domi 75% of the time during PvP ops, it's just too damn easy.

Btw next up is the Raven, which needs to be nerfed into not being the only ship you'll ever need running high level missions.

It's not about ruining someones game, it's about admitting others previously excluded back into the game as they were previously sidelined did they not conform.

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Originally by: Onnawa

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Edited by: Onnawa on 03/08/2007 11:06:09
To be brutally honest, you're absolutely right. I'm whining about whiners. We've all noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease around here, and we're ready for our lube-job.

And the post isn't just about Nos....it's just the newest twist in the downward spiral. I cited several others in my post, and when I get up, I can give you several more if you really want to go down that road. Besides, if Nos are such a prevalent problem, and "everyone fits at least two", praytell...why have I only been hit with Nos once in three months of 0.0 combat?

And "If the only counter to a module is to use more of itself then the module is unbalanced" holds true, then why haven't we nerfed weapons? If I have 6 and you have 4 I'd say you're pretty screwed, wouldn't you?

It's not a balanced change, because no one looked into what could be added or created to counteract the problem instead of ripping yet another piece out of the fabric.

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP.

A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP.

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Originally by: Esk Esme

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Dont nerf nos / or any damn pvp mod

if anythign BOOST THE PVP MODS thats what they r for to kill
Minmatar is atm BEST PVP race y not boost the other 3 races to come in line espeacaly Caldari and amarr

if u want to nerf somthign NERF THE EMPIRE ROIDS to many damn emp macro's get free ride were as REAL player's who r at they computer get they mods nerfed

empire belts should respawn very slowly liek 1nce every 2 weeks or month y give the empcarbare such easy ride, were as the 0.0 / lo-sec player surviveing on wit's/ instsinct / skill / experance gets punished with all these nerfs

NERF THE BARGE 50% REDUCTION TO EMP SYSTEM MINING YEALD PER CYCLE
NERF THE LAG / FIX THE SEVER ( i think should b prioraty to CCP rather than screwing our game play )

CCP u gona kill this game with this nerf crap give pvper's what they want MORE MORE MORE KILLING
Not less harder to find good fights without resorting to fleet's holding gates /stations /poss's

empire should also b warp to 15k as it is EMPIRE nad has EMPIRE POLICE AND COSTUMS warp to 0 in emp shouldnt b
but warp to 0 in 0.0 should b as there is no law but what u make yourself

I am a ISK FARMER hutner any other of my kind feel free to convo we can colaborate raids on these 0.0 isk farmer's systems ( and there r alot )

final thought NERF THE CAREBARE /FIX THE SEVER / MORE PVP MOD'S AND UPDATE CALDARI/AMARR/GALLANTE to coem on par with MINMATAR

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Originally by: Serph

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I know the following requires a substantial re-write to the way the game works and i'm not suggesting it as something that should be done just as an idea which could be used in the next gen Space MMO.

Having never run a MMO I have no idea on the potential scope of this idea, but could the technological development within side a game as far as equipment is concerned follow a similar path to that of the real world?

For example if NOS is too powerful then some shipyard somewhere could develop an upgrade to a ships hull which neutralised to a certain extent the effect of NOS. This upgrade would have to applied to the ship. Eventually this upgrade would become standard on all ship builds and would help the economy as any ship builder who wanted to make money would have to make sure they included that upgrade as part of the manufacturing process.

Yes I know EVE could not cope with that kind of system at present, but in theory providing you could come up with a way to handle how the upgrades/new modules worked and could get them into the game logic easily enough it would allow a MMO to grow and expand without this 'nerf' culture which we all know has claimed it's fair share of MMO Scalps.

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Originally by: Esk Esme

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oOO another english teacher

if u cant read it then dont y b so stupid give yourself a headache :)

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Originally by: necronarcosis

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a rig?

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Originally by: Haffrage

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Weren't people saying these things about nanos too?

Raise your hand if you think we're better off without nano this, that, and everything else. Aren't we all better off without ships that are more or less untouchable without another of the same thing? That's how it used to go for ECM too and who the hell whines that we don't still have ECM the way it used to be? What was the counter to ECM? Jam the guy before he jams you? Well that's not a counter at all, that's just more of the same old ****!

Now try for nos! Do you think we're better off without nosphoons, domis, rokhs, hyps, eos, ishtars, ishkurs, thoraxes (srsly guys wtf?), etc? Hang on, what's the counter to nos again? Oh right, more nos, and a ton of ecm. Waaaaaait a minute...this sounds familiar to me.

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Originally by: Mister Xerox

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP.

A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP.

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There, I fixed it for you.

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Originally by: ShadowlessDesign

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-If your going to leave the Amar the most useless pvp race, please state it in their description so players don't have to train up other races to be able to pvp effectively.

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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L2P...

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Originally by: Death Kill

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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L2P...

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Everyone kindly suggest you take your wow talk back to wow.

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Originally by: SonOTassadar

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Originally by: Bethesda Vortarhiat

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<<NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post.>>

Then they'd best be prepared to reap the whirlwind when they eventually attract some genre competition.

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It's well on its way.

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: Mister Xerox

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Originally by: PhantomVyper

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Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP.

A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP.

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There, I fixed it for you.

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: Merdaneth

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If CCP offers 4 races to play, but the players choose only three because those are clearly better, CCP will need to boost the non-chosen race or nerf the other three. Otherwise they might as well offer just a choice between 3 races.

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Originally by: Broodek Wroll

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And if you think I'm wrong, I ask you to look at one little fact: Eve was online at the same time WOW came out, two years ago. In that time WOW has picked up about 6-9 mil players. Eve has picked up about 50-100k.

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Draw your own conclusions, but I'll finish with a repeat of a comment above: if CCP wants to keep growing Eve's customer base, it is going to have to keep swinging the nerf bat and pushing toward a lower risk style of gameplay.

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Originally by: ObiAliKonobi

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Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28
...everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were.

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Originally by: ObiAliKonobi

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Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28
I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears.

Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map!


I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances.

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Originally by: Tonkin

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Edited by: Tonkin on 03/08/2007 18:43:32

Originally by: ObiAliKonobi

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Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28
I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears.

Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map!


I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances.

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cpp just want to make money. they want more customers.

they know what the problem is with there hardware. its the eve code needs to be modified so that they get nodes faster.
i herd it can be done but the prob is they it will be a long downtime say 1-2 weeks.
server performace will be how it use to in the early days of eve, but as you know there some fat ceo wanting more money.

lol i be up a long downtime so i can play the fecking game.

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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