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ObiAliKonobi Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:26:00 - [1] Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28 I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:28:00 - [2] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and *** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances. NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post. SKUNK Originally by:** Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
Pratiken	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:29:00 - [3] I agree completely. This recent turn of events is giving me doubts.
Bethesda Vortarhiat	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:31:00 - [4] <<NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post.>> Then they'd best be prepared to reap the whirlwind when they eventually attract some genre competition.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Akita T on 03/08/2007 00:35:40 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated. I can only "LOL" at you. YOUR setup should be the only one that should TRULY be scared of the "revamped" NOS ships, as the mere fact of "killing their capacitor with neuts" will render their NOSes fully functional regardless of your own capacitor's state. Quote: But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Really ? You had me there for a moment, you know. Please do explain WHAT are the exact changes that ARE being implemented you're talking about ? You know, those that are the results of "carebear whines", as opposed to "legitimate player concerns regarding current game balance" ? Quote: If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! So, in your eyes, lowsec should be the same thing as 0.0, but without bubbles and alliances ? Who's the freaking whining carebear now ? Quote: more stuff Metawhining about whiners and carebears corrupting the game without clear and unrefutable proof is bad form. P.S. Adapt or die, was it ? _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:33:00 - [6] Whenever I see the phrase "Downward Spiral" I think of the atrocious fanfiction of the same name, and the resulting MST3K-style riff that is probably the funniest thing ever created on the internet. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Toranaga Yoshi	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:35:00 - [7] noobicle. keep on topic. this is about a general trend in the game.
Steakkbone Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T Metawhining about whiners and carebears corrupting the game without clear and unrefutable proof is bad form. You mean irrefutable proof? Want proof? Here it is: Privateers. --------------------------------------
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Steakkbone You mean irrefutable proof? Want proof? Here it is: Privateers. Oh, you mean the "I want to attack just about everybody in a player corp I find in highsec without CONCORD intervention for minimal costs, then leave to be invulnerable again whenever I chose to" alliance ? Ha. Shoot, foot yourself. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Steakkbone Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Steakkbone on 03/08/2007 00:43:54 Edited by: Steakkbone on 03/08/2007 00:42:34 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Steakkbone You mean irrefutable proof? Want proof? Here it is: Privateers. Oh, you mean the "I want to attack just about everybody in a player corp I find in highsec without CONCORD intervention for minimal costs, then leave to be invulnerable again whenever I chose to" alliance ? Ha. Shoot, foot yourself. We were not invulnerable, nice try. You said it yourself in your previous post, adapt or die? People hunted us down and killed us, it was not a free killing pass. There are people who were killed by us and decided to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, so they formed up gangs and killed us back. Then there were the whiners who just went to the forums. If no whiners and carebears ever complained about Privateers, do you think CCP would have nerfed the wardec system? I don't. --------------------------------------
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:51:00 - [11] "Invulnerable" here meant "after you leave the alliance", not WHILE doing it. Invulnerability through obfuscation and practical anonimity... nobody would bother wardeccing you back after you left. So, what's stopping you from doing the same thing you were doing (assuming you were an ex-privateer by the sound of it) ? Oh, the costs, you say ? Or rather, don't say. Because that's ALL that changed. Point in case, you were abusing a LOOPHOLE in the system, allowing you to wander in target-rich territory which was otherwise perfectly safe. Even if you were one of the "honourable" Privateer members, most of "your guys" weren't, and used gang-boosting alts and scouts in other, non-Privateer corps (which nobody in the opposition could know about) to PICK the fights they couldn't POSSIBLY lose, and annoy the targets by not showing up if sufficient resistance was expected. Basically, you were getting your personal 0.0 space with free spies, alongside other perks... and all that at very little cost. Now that the price went up, oops, you're WHINING about it, because your favourite loophole was plugged. You know what ? Screw the subject. It's been DONE to death, more times than Jenna Jamesson and its ilk combined. It was a game mechanics abuse. It wasn't eliminated, just made more costly. And it took a GOOD while to make it so. Stop calling it a "carebear whine induced change". It wasn't. If they REMOVED the ability to wardec more than one corp/alliance or anything like that, now THAT would have been what you're complaining it was. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:52:00 - [12] Weren't people saying these things about nanos too? Raise your hand if you think we're better off without nano this, that, and everything else. Aren't we all better off without ships that are more or less untouchable without another of the same thing? That's how it used to go for ECM too and who the hell whines that we don't still have ECM the way it used to be? What was the counter to ECM? Jam the guy before he jams you? Well that's not a counter at all, that's just more of the same old ****! Now try for nos! Do you think we're better off without nosphoons, domis, rokhs, hyps, eos, ishtars, ishkurs, thoraxes (srsly guys wtf?), etc? Hang on, what's the counter to nos again? Oh right, more nos, and a ton of ecm. Waaaaaait a minute...this sounds familiar to me. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers Eve GUI Tweaks
ObiAliKonobi Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.03 00:59:00 - [13] Erm, the counter to nos was cap boosters, Haff. Watch your own videos, lol. Hmm. Vindication series anyone?
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 01:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Haffrage Now try for nos! Do you think we're better off without nosphoons, domis, rokhs, hyps, eos, ishtars, ishkurs, thoraxes (srsly guys wtf?), etc? Hang on, what's the counter to nos again? Oh right, more nos, and a ton of ecm. Waaaaaait a minute...this sounds familiar to me. I am reminded of "If the only counter to something is to have more of it, it is overpowered" line of thinking. And yes, NOS was overpowered by being something that was countered by having more of it. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 01:05:00 - [15] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Erm, the counter to nos was cap boosters, Haff. Watch your own videos, lol. Hmm. Vindication series anyone? So whenever you run out of cap charges all nos on the field must deactivate right? So if all nos auto-deactivates when you can't keep your cap stable with cap charges anymore, what about ships that don't have enough mids for cap injectors? Let's apply that to them too, for balancing purposes! The net result would logically be...the fix we're getting. Waaaait, ooooooooooh. I see what you did there. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers Eve GUI Tweaks
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.08.03 01:12:00 - [16] I can't say I agree, the Nosferatu is overpowered, I had hoped for another solution though but a nerf of them is most welcome and I say this as someone who flies the nos-domi 75% of the time during PvP ops, it's just too damn easy. Btw next up is the Raven, which needs to be nerfed into not being the only ship you'll ever need running high level missions. It's not about ruining someones game, it's about admitting others previously excluded back into the game as they were previously sidelined did they not conform. Also Known As
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.03 01:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Btw next up is the Raven, which needs to be nerfed into not being the only ship you'll ever need running high level missions. cough not the Raven, but instead torpedoes (specifically) and missiles (in general). And not "nerf", but "balance". Take some stuff away, give some stuff back. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 02:23:00 - [18] they make NOS more useful, and fit it properly to the niche it was intended, and now people whine about it Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 03:34:00 - [19] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28 I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances. I'm guessing that you're a gankbear? The way I see it is that CCP keeps balancing PvP so that the gankers are not overly favored. Remember Risk vs. Reward? Each of these nerfs....balancing acts, if you will...has curtailed some of the riskfree activities that gankers have engaged in. There's nothing wrong with that. I haven't talked to any PvPers who have complained about any of the balancing; from warp to zero, to double HP, to the NOS nerf. (well, maybe a bit on the last because of the Curse)... What I do see is tons of lazy gankbears whining endlessly on the forums because their exploitative tools to get free, riskless kills are taken away. And given the choice between adapting to fight, or whining that their free kills are being taken away....well, we have a huge forums spammed with posts whining about it.
Raekone	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:10:00 - [20] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos That word is where I stopped reading. Yawn. Find something new maybe?
Blue Medusa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:34:00 - [21] A gankbear whining about whiners.. lol --- pop! goes the tackler
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/08/2007 07:45:28 Originally by: Le Skunk NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post. SKUNK NEWSFLASH : Typing newsflash is utter r-tarded. And op /signed Caldari and proud
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T Really ? You had me there for a moment, you know Lord bless the small minded so one day they might uppgrade to sarcasm. Caldari and proud
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.08.03 09:56:00 - [24] Same old song, same old dance. This is the third MMO I've watched get slowly nerfed into oblivion. It's the destiny of all great games, actually. I can't say I agree with the Nos nerf at all; a simple increase in fitting requirements would have done the trick. Instead, now we'll have a completely broken ship chassis hanging around like a third nipple until the devs give in to the pressure to revamp it and make it worth flying again, not to mention the inability to effectively kill capitals and vagabonds. But, no amount of complaining will change their minds. As to the needs of nerfing torpedoes, they already did that. I'm old enough to remember what Rages used to be able to do. Not only did they get hit with the nerf bat, they got their heads caved in beyond any hope of recovery. Congratulations CCP....the heaviest missile in the game can now be outdone by tech 1 with a target painter. Why train torpedo specialization at this point? Fury Cruises are more effective than javelin torps. Nerf the raven? ZONOES! THE MISSION RUNNERS ARE MAKING MONEY WITH THEM! Quick! Nerf them so the Caldari have no battleships left. Dang it! I knew we missed one when we broke the scorpion right good! Quick! Get rid of the missile boat that can barely be effective in PvP as it is! Force them to switch to that rokh-thingie and learn what hybrids are. We'll wait for them to get that all trained up, then we'll throw a P&M Session and get that nerfed, too! Caldari don't need battleships, anyway...I mean, we left the drake slightly useful, didn't we?? Everyone in this game is so overly-concerned with what everyone else has, and trust me, that isn't a good thing. I already watched that same mentality ruin Ultima Online and Star Wars Galaxies. Everything was complained about and nerfed until a 5-year-old could play the game...too bad the end result turned out so boring that it couldn't hold a kindergardener's interest. We even have people terrified of things still in the theoretical stage. T2 battleships? GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE! I hope they ARE ubersolowtfpwnbbqmobiles; at least people will fly battleships again. That is, until the forum populace finds fault with them and convinces CCP to break those, too. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:25:00 - [25] It is simple The game CCP built presents us a lot of choices. The moment a choices becomes non-viable the will boost something, the moment a choice becomes obvious and overly frequent, they will nerf it. The fact that lots of people are constantly searching for the 'optimal' choice, means the choices will converge at those optimal solutions and make lots of option meaningless. Compare it to natural progress. If Company A makes a clearly superior product, Company B will try to make a similar or better products to make the choice between A and B significant again. Problem with a game it needs to exist in an equilibrium and we have only one Company: CCP. This means that all the products/choices they offer will be either boosted or nerfed depending on their popularity to keep them significant. If CCP offers 4 races to play, but the players choose only three because those are clearly better, CCP will need to boost the non-chosen race or nerf the other three. Otherwise they might as well offer just a choice between 3 races. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Onnawa Same old song, same old dance. This is the third MMO I've watched get slowly nerfed into oblivion. It's the destiny of all great games, actually. I can't say I agree with the Nos nerf at all; a simple increase in fitting requirements would have done the trick. Instead, now we'll have a completely broken ship chassis hanging around like a third nipple until the devs give in to the pressure to revamp it and make it worth flying again, not to mention the inability to effectively kill capitals and vagabonds. But, no amount of complaining will change their minds. As to the needs of nerfing torpedoes, they already did that. I'm old enough to remember what Rages used to be able to do. Not only did they get hit with the nerf bat, they got their heads caved in beyond any hope of recovery. Congratulations CCP....the heaviest missile in the game can now be outdone by tech 1 with a target painter. Why train torpedo specialization at this point? Fury Cruises are more effective than javelin torps. Nerf the raven? ZONOES! THE MISSION RUNNERS ARE MAKING MONEY WITH THEM! Quick! Nerf them so the Caldari have no battleships left. Dang it! I knew we missed one when we broke the scorpion right good! Quick! Get rid of the missile boat that can barely be effective in PvP as it is! Force them to switch to that rokh-thingie and learn what hybrids are. We'll wait for them to get that all trained up, then we'll throw a P&M Session and get that nerfed, too! Caldari don't need battleships, anyway...I mean, we left the drake slightly useful, didn't we?? Everyone in this game is so overly-concerned with what everyone else has, and trust me, that isn't a good thing. I already watched that same mentality ruin Ultima Online and Star Wars Galaxies. Everything was complained about and nerfed until a 5-year-old could play the game...too bad the end result turned out so boring that it couldn't hold a kindergardener's interest. We even have people terrified of things still in the theoretical stage. T2 battleships? GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE! I hope they ARE ubersolowtfpwnbbqmobiles; at least people will fly battleships again. That is, until the forum populace finds fault with them and convinces CCP to break those, too. Wait let me guess. Your type are what they mean when they use that term "Drama Queen" correct? Saying "the carebears whined and CCP bent over" is an irrelevant and mostly false statement. CAREBEARS DON'T EVEN DEAL WITH NOS SO WHY WOULD THEY CARE IF IT IS NERFED OR NOT?" Yes it is really true. Miners and mission runners do not use that module. They rarely have that module used against them either. Well a mission runner might use it to sustain cap but that wouldn't cause them to want it nerfed....would it? The OPer and the idiots who agree with him just want a grp of people to point the finger at and picked the wrong group. Did it ever occur to you that when almost every pvp ship setup in the game includes 2 {and usually more} of the Nos module {instead of conventional weapons} that something is wrong? I guess that doesn't matter when it screws up your cookie cutter setup though. Oh noes!!! You might have to train up missiles and use some now!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Onnawa Same old song, same old dance. This is the third MMO I've watched get slowly nerfed into oblivion. It's the destiny of all great games, actually. I can't say I agree with the Nos nerf at all; a simple increase in fitting requirements would have done the trick. Instead, now we'll have a completely broken ship chassis hanging around like a third nipple until the devs give in to the pressure to revamp it and make it worth flying again, not to mention the inability to effectively kill capitals and vagabonds. But, no amount of complaining will change their minds. As to the needs of nerfing torpedoes, they already did that. I'm old enough to remember what Rages used to be able to do. Not only did they get hit with the nerf bat, they got their heads caved in beyond any hope of recovery. Congratulations CCP....the heaviest missile in the game can now be outdone by tech 1 with a target painter. Why train torpedo specialization at this point? Fury Cruises are more effective than javelin torps. Nerf the raven? ZONOES! THE MISSION RUNNERS ARE MAKING MONEY WITH THEM! Quick! Nerf them so the Caldari have no battleships left. Dang it! I knew we missed one when we broke the scorpion right good! Quick! Get rid of the missile boat that can barely be effective in PvP as it is! Force them to switch to that rokh-thingie and learn what hybrids are. We'll wait for them to get that all trained up, then we'll throw a P&M Session and get that nerfed, too! Caldari don't need battleships, anyway...I mean, we left the drake slightly useful, didn't we?? Everyone in this game is so overly-concerned with what everyone else has, and trust me, that isn't a good thing. I already watched that same mentality ruin Ultima Online and Star Wars Galaxies. Everything was complained about and nerfed until a 5-year-old could play the game...too bad the end result turned out so boring that it couldn't hold a kindergardener's interest. We even have people terrified of things still in the theoretical stage. T2 battleships? GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE! I hope they ARE ubersolowtfpwnbbqmobiles; at least people will fly battleships again. That is, until the forum populace finds fault with them and convinces CCP to break those, too. Pitty all of this cant fit in my signature. Very well written sir Caldari and proud
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:40:00 - [28] Edited by: Onnawa on 03/08/2007 10:43:25 What I'd actually like to see are more boosts...period. And make the Players (read "Whiners") more responsible here. The nerf is the easy and lazy answer, and shame on CCP for taking that way out. If you consider real-world application, what then? Einstein and Oppenheimer were born; they knew what they knew, and they created what they created. Can we magically nerf nuclear weapons now because we've decided they're a bad idea in hindsight? The only way out is up. When the tank was invented, we invented the anti-tank weapon. When radar was invented, we countered with jamming. Look at the coming Nos nerf...did anyone think of or suggest an Energy Stabilizer module that reduces their effectiveness? "Hell no! That'll interfere with our kits and force us to rethink our lives! Just break em!!!" I'm not saying all nerfs were bad...the Doomsday, for example. It was ill-conceived (although awesome) from the start, and no amount of upward thinking could counter it anywhere in the foreseeable future. CCP did the right thing there. But more modules and more options can only be a good thing, and it's the laziness of CCP and the playerbase that says otherwise. And actually, I've never used more than 2 nos on any ship in my entire eve career, thank you so much. I live and die outside the box, and the only place you'll see nos for me is on a tackler to keep me alive til the big guns arrive, or on a maelstrom when I know I'm headed into long odds. Calling me "Cookie Cutter" is like calling Bea Arthur an "attractive woman". _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:43:00 - [29] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/08/2007 10:43:58 Originally by: Hasak Rain Wait let me guess. Your type are what they mean when they use that term "Drama Queen" correct? Saying "the carebears whined and CCP bent over" is an irrelevant and mostly false statement. CAREBEARS DON'T EVEN DEAL WITH NOS SO WHY WOULD THEY CARE IF IT IS NERFED OR NOT?" Yes it is really true. Miners and mission runners do not use that module. They rarely have that module used against them either. Well a mission runner might use it to sustain cap but that wouldn't cause them to want it nerfed....would it? The OPer and the idiots who agree with him just want a grp of people to point the finger at and picked the wrong group. Did it ever occur to you that when almost every pvp ship setup in the game includes 2 {and usually more} of the Nos module {instead of conventional weapons} that something is wrong? I guess that doesn't matter when it screws up your cookie cutter setup though. Oh noes!!! You might have to train up missiles and use some now! Since you failed at understanding his point, Ill give you a hand..... He was talking about EVE in general, not nesserarily about nosferatu. And hes right, everything in this game has been nerfed to pieces, all in the quest to get more subscribers when the servers cant handle it. Why does EVE have fewer people compared to other mmo's? Because EVE is hard mode, CCP dumb it down so they can have more imigrants from WOW and EQ. Caldari and proud
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/08/2007 10:48:27 Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Hasak Rain Wait let me guess. Your type are what they mean when they use that term "Drama Queen" correct? Saying "the carebears whined and CCP bent over" is an irrelevant and mostly false statement. CAREBEARS DON'T EVEN DEAL WITH NOS SO WHY WOULD THEY CARE IF IT IS NERFED OR NOT?" Yes it is really true. Miners and mission runners do not use that module. They rarely have that module used against them either. Well a mission runner might use it to sustain cap but that wouldn't cause them to want it nerfed....would it? The OPer and the idiots who agree with him just want a grp of people to point the finger at and picked the wrong group. Did it ever occur to you that when almost every pvp ship setup in the game includes 2 {and usually more} of the Nos module {instead of conventional weapons} that something is wrong? I guess that doesn't matter when it screws up your cookie cutter setup though. Oh noes!!! You might have to train up missiles and use some now! Since you failed at understanding his point, Ill give you a hand..... He was talking about EVE in general, not nesserarily about nosferatu. And hes right, everything in this game has been nerfed to pieces, all in the quest to get more subscribers when the servers cant handle it. Tell the truth, if the Nos nerf wasn't announced and in the mix, he wouldn't even had posted about this would he? Of course it was about Nos. The OPer even mentioned Nos in his post. Edit: Basically, it is just another whiners whining about the whiners type thread.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Bethesda Vortarhiat <<NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post.>> Then they'd best be prepared to reap the whirlwind when they eventually attract some genre competition. It's well on its way. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Onnawa Edited by: Onnawa on 03/08/2007 10:43:25 What I'd actually like to see are more boosts...period. And make the Players (read "Whiners") more responsible here. The nerf is the easy and lazy answer, and shame on CCP for taking that way out. If you consider real-world application, what then? Einstein and Oppenheimer were born; they knew what they knew, and they created what they created. Can we magically nerf nuclear weapons now because we've decided they're a bad idea in hindsight? The only way out is up. When the tank was invented, we invented the anti-tank weapon. When radar was invented, we countered with jamming. Look at the coming Nos nerf...did anyone think of or suggest an Energy Stabilizer module that reduces their effectiveness? "Hell no! That'll interfere with our kits and force us to rethink our lives! Just break em!!!" I'm not saying all nerfs were bad...the Doomsday, for example. It was ill-conceived (although awesome) from the start, and no amount of upward thinking could counter it anywhere in the foreseeable future. CCP did the right thing there. But more modules and more options can only be a good thing, and it's the laziness of CCP and the playerbase that says otherwise. And actually, I've never used more than 2 nos on any ship in my entire eve career, thank you so much. I live and die outside the box, and the only place you'll see nos for me is on a tackler to keep me alive til the big guns arrive, or on a maelstrom when I know I'm headed into long odds. Calling me "Cookie Cutter" is like calling Bea Arthur an "attractive woman". If the only counter to a module is to use more of itself than that module is unbalanced. Nos and neuts now have distinct and usefull roles in the game. Now heavy cap using races have a better chance in PVP. Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are usefull again in PVP. A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP.
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.08.03 11:03:00 - [33] To be brutally honest, you're absolutely right. I'm whining about whiners. We've all noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease around here, and we're ready for our lube-job. And the post isn't just about Nos....it's just the newest twist in the downward spiral. I cited several others in my post, and when I get up, I can give you several more if you really want to go down that road. Besides, if Nos are such a prevalent problem, and "everyone fits at least two", praytell...why have I only been hit with Nos once in three months of 0.0 combat? _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 11:14:00 - [34] Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 03/08/2007 11:20:28 Originally by: Danton Marcellus I can't say I agree, the Nosferatu is overpowered, I had hoped for another solution though but a nerf of them is most welcome and I say this as someone who flies the nos-domi 75% of the time during PvP ops, it's just too damn easy. Btw next up is the Raven, which needs to be nerfed into not being the only ship you'll ever need running high level missions. It's not about ruining someones game, it's about admitting others previously excluded back into the game as they were previously sidelined did they not conform. Damn gallente ! The raven is already too weak, it has too low dps compared to any gallente ship bigger than a cruiser. The next thing to nerf will be the moros ! Take away it's huge drone bunus - dreads are made for pos warfare, no carrier-and-dread-all-in-one p0wn-mobiles plz. @topic: Stop whining. Things that were out of balance did not contribute anything good to the game. Learn to fight fair, with equal forces and without abusing something overpowered
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 11:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Onnawa Edited by: Onnawa on 03/08/2007 11:06:09 To be brutally honest, you're absolutely right. I'm whining about whiners. We've all noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease around here, and we're ready for our lube-job. And the post isn't just about Nos....it's just the newest twist in the downward spiral. I cited several others in my post, and when I get up, I can give you several more if you really want to go down that road. Besides, if Nos are such a prevalent problem, and "everyone fits at least two", praytell...why have I only been hit with Nos once in three months of 0.0 combat? And "If the only counter to a module is to use more of itself then the module is unbalanced" holds true, then why haven't we nerfed weapons? If I have 6 and you have 4 I'd say you're pretty screwed, wouldn't you? It's not a balanced change, because no one looked into what could be added or created to counteract the problem instead of ripping yet another piece out of the fabric. I agree with you that in most MMOs, the whiner's voice is heard and it sometimes results in changes in the game mechanics. Before I played EvE, I spent three years in DAOC and saw many nerfs result from a lot of whining. I am not saying that you are wrong about that. I do think you are exaggerating here though. I haven't seen tons of changes in this game that have resulted in "dumbing it down for the carebear or noob." There have been some such as giving 800K SPs at player creation and a couple of others but I do not see any "downward spiral." If there is a problem, i would say things like lag and node crashes are much more a concern. Fixing Nos certainly isn't part of this "downward spiral." I and a lot of others consider it a good and necessary adjustment. My only concerns with it are will it make a BS too vulnerable to an Interecpeter?.... and those ships such as the Baalghorn {spelling}, Curse ect which NoS is it's main weapons. Those are two issues CCP will need to sort out but the change to Nos itself was very much a good thing imo. Take a guess which modules the generally accepted "I Win mobiles" use such as the Domi, Curse ect lol face it. Half the people who train up Amarr are only doing so to get into a Curse and Pilgrim and fly a "solo I-Win button." I am suppose to feel bad for them?
Serph	Posted - 2007.08.03 11:57:00 - [36] I know the following requires a substantial re-write to the way the game works and i'm not suggesting it as something that should be done just as an idea which could be used in the next gen Space MMO. Having never run a MMO I have no idea on the potential scope of this idea, but could the technological development within side a game as far as equipment is concerned follow a similar path to that of the real world? For example if NOS is too powerful then some shipyard somewhere could develop an upgrade to a ships hull which neutralised to a certain extent the effect of NOS. This upgrade would have to applied to the ship. Eventually this upgrade would become standard on all ship builds and would help the economy as any ship builder who wanted to make money would have to make sure they included that upgrade as part of the manufacturing process. Yes I know EVE could not cope with that kind of system at present, but in theory providing you could come up with a way to handle how the upgrades/new modules worked and could get them into the game logic easily enough it would allow a MMO to grow and expand without this 'nerf' culture which we all know has claimed it's fair share of MMO Scalps.
amarrly Amarr Silver Star Federation Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:08:00 - [37] I cant say i agree with the the op on the nos nerf and yes i do fly the curse as it's the only real ship amarr have for solo pvp, but at least the nos nerf will free up alot of the other amarr ships for solo work. But one thing i do agree on is the risk vs reward he talks about, being able to earn more isk in high sec doing lvl 4's with out no risk seems ridiculous compared to the grind you have to go through in 0.0, constant vigil, getting to empire, ect ect. and yes i would have to agree that eve has changed alot in the last few years, who it benifits im not sure.....
Esk Esme Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:24:00 - [38] Dont nerf nos / or any damn pvp mod if anythign BOOST THE PVP MODS thats what they r for to kill Minmatar is atm BEST PVP race y not boost the other 3 races to come in line espeacaly Caldari and amarr if u want to nerf somthign NERF THE EMPIRE ROIDS to many damn emp macro's get free ride were as REAL player's who r at they computer get they mods nerfed empire belts should respawn very slowly liek 1nce every 2 weeks or month y give the empcarbare such easy ride, were as the 0.0 / lo-sec player surviveing on wit's/ instsinct / skill / experance gets punished with all these nerfs NERF THE BARGE 50% REDUCTION TO EMP SYSTEM MINING YEALD PER CYCLE NERF THE LAG / FIX THE SEVER ( i think should b prioraty to CCP rather than screwing our game play ) CCP u gona kill this game with this nerf crap give pvper's what they want MORE MORE MORE KILLING Not less harder to find good fights without resorting to fleet's holding gates /stations /poss's empire should also b warp to 15k as it is EMPIRE nad has EMPIRE POLICE AND COSTUMS warp to 0 in emp shouldnt b but warp to 0 in 0.0 should b as there is no law but what u make yourself I am a ISK FARMER hutner any other of my kind feel free to convo we can colaborate raids on these 0.0 isk farmer's systems ( and there r alot ) final thought NERF THE CAREBARE /FIX THE SEVER / MORE PVP MOD'S AND UPDATE CALDARI/AMARR/GALLANTE to coem on par with MINMATAR
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:25:00 - [39] Originally by: PhantomVyper Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP. A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP. There, I fixed it for you.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Esk Esme Dont nerf nos / or any damn pvp mod if anythign BOOST THE PVP MODS thats what they r for to kill Minmatar is atm BEST PVP race y not boost the other 3 races to come in line espeacaly Caldari and amarr if u want to nerf somthign NERF THE EMPIRE ROIDS to many damn emp macro's get free ride were as REAL player's who r at they computer get they mods nerfed empire belts should respawn very slowly liek 1nce every 2 weeks or month y give the empcarbare such easy ride, were as the 0.0 / lo-sec player surviveing on wit's/ instsinct / skill / experance gets punished with all these nerfs NERF THE BARGE 50% REDUCTION TO EMP SYSTEM MINING YEALD PER CYCLE NERF THE LAG / FIX THE SEVER ( i think should b prioraty to CCP rather than screwing our game play ) CCP u gona kill this game with this nerf crap give pvper's what they want MORE MORE MORE KILLING Not less harder to find good fights without resorting to fleet's holding gates /stations /poss's empire should also b warp to 15k as it is EMPIRE nad has EMPIRE POLICE AND COSTUMS warp to 0 in emp shouldnt b but warp to 0 in 0.0 should b as there is no law but what u make yourself I am a ISK FARMER hutner any other of my kind feel free to convo we can colaborate raids on these 0.0 isk farmer's systems ( and there r alot ) final thought NERF THE CAREBARE /FIX THE SEVER / MORE PVP MOD'S AND UPDATE CALDARI/AMARR/GALLANTE to coem on par with MINMATAR Rofl... Trying to read that gave me a headache.
Esk Esme Caldari High4Life	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:37:00 - [41] oOO another english teacher if u cant read it then dont y b so stupid give yourself a headache :)
necronarcosis Fury Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Serph I know the following requires a substantial re-write to the way the game works and i'm not suggesting it as something that should be done just as an idea which could be used in the next gen Space MMO. Having never run a MMO I have no idea on the potential scope of this idea, but could the technological development within side a game as far as equipment is concerned follow a similar path to that of the real world? For example if NOS is too powerful then some shipyard somewhere could develop an upgrade to a ships hull which neutralised to a certain extent the effect of NOS. This upgrade would have to applied to the ship. Eventually this upgrade would become standard on all ship builds and would help the economy as any ship builder who wanted to make money would have to make sure they included that upgrade as part of the manufacturing process. Yes I know EVE could not cope with that kind of system at present, but in theory providing you could come up with a way to handle how the upgrades/new modules worked and could get them into the game logic easily enough it would allow a MMO to grow and expand without this 'nerf' culture which we all know has claimed it's fair share of MMO Scalps. a rig?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 12:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Esk Esme oOO another english teacher if u cant read it then dont y b so stupid give yourself a headache :) Not trying to be your English teacher. I just can't understand half of what you typed. I can usually tell the difference between someone who doesn't use English as a first language and the ramblings of a little kid though. You certainly are the latter. Pretty ironic that you would call me "stupid" after typing out that incoherent garble.
Serph	Posted - 2007.08.03 13:08:00 - [44] Originally by: necronarcosis a rig? Similar yeah, but more like an implant, although once it's in you can't take it out again.
ShadowlessDesign	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:10:00 - [45] Best post in this thread, I agree totally. Most pvp seems to be focused around nos, how many times have you and a small group geared up and said "we dont have enough nos" or "that setup is good but WHEN you get nos's your dead" I think it will be refreshing to not have to plan every pvp setup (besides the passive ones) around nos. Originally by: Haffrage Weren't people saying these things about nanos too? Raise your hand if you think we're better off without nano this, that, and everything else. Aren't we all better off without ships that are more or less untouchable without another of the same thing? That's how it used to go for ECM too and who the hell whines that we don't still have ECM the way it used to be? What was the counter to ECM? Jam the guy before he jams you? Well that's not a counter at all, that's just more of the same old ****! Now try for nos! Do you think we're better off without nosphoons, domis, rokhs, hyps, eos, ishtars, ishkurs, thoraxes (srsly guys wtf?), etc? Hang on, what's the counter to nos again? Oh right, more nos, and a ton of ecm. Waaaaaait a minute...this sounds familiar to me.
ShadowlessDesign	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:20:00 - [46] The only things I dislike about CCP not changing is: -If your going to leave the Amar the most useless pvp race, please state it in their description so players don't have to train up other races to be able to pvp effectively. -Alter the description of Caldari so people know that Gallente are the real war machines and Caldari are the better mission runners. Other than that im cool...
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Mister Xerox Originally by: PhantomVyper Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP. A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP. There, I fixed it for you. If you cant find a way to render a AF or Inty uselless without the use of Nos I kindly sugest you L2P...
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:33:00 - [48] Originally by: ShadowlessDesign -If your going to leave the Amar the most useless pvp race, please state it in their description so players don't have to train up other races to be able to pvp effectively. This is a boost for Amarr.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:39:00 - [49] Originally by: PhantomVyper L2P... Everyone kindly suggest you take your wow talk back to wow. Caldari and proud
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: PhantomVyper L2P... Everyone kindly suggest you take your wow talk back to wow. Delusions about talking for anyone other than yourself is the first sign of madness you know...
Tub0rg	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:58:00 - [51] Edited by: Tub0rg on 03/08/2007 14:58:29 Well the sad part is when the nerf effects somthing that you cant change. for example: The skill "Standard missiles" If i remember correct you got a speed bonus on that skill in the early dayes and then they changed it to light missile damage. I know i traind it half the way to lvl5 just becouse of the speed and now i have no use for that anymore.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.03 15:07:00 - [52] Originally by: SonOTassadar Originally by: Bethesda Vortarhiat <<NEWSFLASH: CCP will do precisly what they want with no regard to your post.>> Then they'd best be prepared to reap the whirlwind when they eventually attract some genre competition. It's well on its way. lol lol lol. this is the onlt game tht would have a chance and yeah it's WELL on it's way\ ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.03 15:09:00 - [53] Originally by: Mister Xerox Originally by: PhantomVyper Now Interceptors and Assault Frigates are untouchable again in PVP. A very well thought out and implemented change by CCP. There, I fixed it for you. nuet, dead. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Broodek Wroll	Posted - 2007.08.03 16:03:00 - [54] Had to laugh when someone above talked about what will happen when Eve gets some competition in the genre . . . Technically Eve is competition to WOW, EQ, etc, and I doubt Sony and Blizzard are looking in the rear view mirror and worrying about Eve. Blizzard only has about 8.9 mil more customers right now. You think they're worried about the "lost" competition when they know most Eve players are more likely to go back to (or try out) their game than the other way around? That said, I have to agree with the others who have said CCP could care less about the people whining about the NOS nerf. Compared to other game companies I've seen, CCP has been very careful with the nerf bat in the nearly two years I've played (anyone else remember the nerfs in DAOC in beta, which kept coming even on the first day of release?). These days when I see CCP "nerfing" something, I usually ask, who abused it? What I'm seeing in this thread is a bunch of lazy gankers who will actually have to think for a few seconds about how to win a fight (until they find the next thing to exploit, and I'm confident they will; some people would rather spend weeks trying to find a way to instapwn someone than to actually use things like tactics, strategy, etc). Here's a tidbit for those of you who fear CCP will make this a carebear haven (and by "carebear" I mean, in this instance, the kind of player who prefers not to pvp): most MMO players do not like to pvp. Tell me all you want about how wonderful it is to risk yourself every moment, blah blah blah. I've heard it for more than a decade as I played other online games (and I've played most for at least a month). What I keep seeing is that most players do not share the minority's love for risk (actually, the ganker's love for making other peoples' gameplay a living hell), and that successful MMOs focus mostly on PVE as a result. Anyone seen the nerfs to pvp in WOW? Assumed the "minority of pve whiners" caused it? Or did you understand the nerfs and general lack of pvp (especially pvp with risk) in MMOs is due to the lack of interest? Guess what. If CCP wants to attract more customers, it is going to have to lean more and more in the direction of PVE and what a lot of you seem to consider "carebear" gameplay. It will also have to keep swinging the nerfbat to combat the new exploits many of you are finding and hoping to use to instapwn everyone with little or no risk to yourselves. Think the NOS "nerf" is the last one? Hardly. And if you think I'm wrong, I ask you to look at one little fact: Eve was online at the same time WOW came out, two years ago. In that time WOW has picked up about 6-9 mil players. Eve has picked up about 50-100k. Draw your own conclusions, but I'll finish with a repeat of a comment above: if CCP wants to keep growing Eve's customer base, it is going to have to keep swinging the nerf bat and pushing toward a lower risk style of gameplay.
Steph Wing Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.03 16:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Merdaneth If CCP offers 4 races to play, but the players choose only three because those are clearly better, CCP will need to boost the non-chosen race or nerf the other three. Otherwise they might as well offer just a choice between 3 races. Actually, past experience suggests that if one race is less popular than the other three, CCP will nerf the unpopular race's lasers. About TGRAD
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 17:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Broodek Wroll And if you think I'm wrong, I ask you to look at one little fact: Eve was online at the same time WOW came out, two years ago. In that time WOW has picked up about 6-9 mil players. Eve has picked up about 50-100k. As I recall, Blizzard started out massively popular while this is CCP's first (and only?) game. Thus, Blizzard had deep pockets for advertising as well as just the general excitement generated from its existing fanbase to drive the popularity of its new MMO. You also have the issue that WoW is supposed to be pretty much risk free, as you stated, and is thus more popular. From what I have heard and read, CCP wanted a risky environment with consequences. They wanted their game to be harsh. Quote: Draw your own conclusions, but I'll finish with a repeat of a comment above: if CCP wants to keep growing Eve's customer base, it is going to have to keep swinging the nerf bat and pushing toward a lower risk style of gameplay. From what I have seen, CCP want to drive PvP even more, not get away from it (well, their definition of PvP which I accept too). They want you to take risks that can be terribly costly, not sit around amassing wealth by playing the game in what at the moment is essentially one player mode. The way the game's economy is set up, such practices are rather detrimental (inflation and all that fun stuff). In other words, in order to make PvE more prevalent and risk free in order to attract WoW like numbers, CCP will have to remake Eve from the ground up, removing the player driven market, the alliance wars, and pretty much all of the player driven content and create a sterile, boring WoW clone. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:11:00 - [57] In CCP we trust. Merc Blog
Major Stallion Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:28:00 - [58] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28 ...everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. and this makes your post different from their whines how? ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:42:00 - [59] Edited by: Tonkin on 03/08/2007 18:43:32 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28 I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and ***** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances. cpp just want to make money. they want more customers. they know what the problem is with there hardware. its the eve code needs to be modified so that they get nodes faster. i herd it can be done but the prob is they it will be a long downtime say 1-2 weeks. server performace will be how it use to in the early days of eve, but as you know there some fat ceo wanting more money. lol i be up a long downtime so i can play the fecking game.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Tonkin Edited by: Tonkin on 03/08/2007 18:43:32 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 03/08/2007 00:27:28 I am a Gallente character who uses neuts. So obviously I was scared of the nos domi and curses that floated around EvE. Now the challenge of killing those types of ships will be eliminated - just as the whole idea of war declarations was seriously curtailed. But this thread is not about the Nos nerf that is coming. This post is about how this game is being shifted more and more in favor of whiners and carebears. Listen, losing ships is part of EvE. But everytime someone loses a ship they should not come to the forum and *** and moan about how unfair the other person's tactics were. This game is about risk, and calculating those risks. If you go into low-sec and get pawned by evil pirates, then that is your fault. There is no need to go on the forum and ask for gate guns to be upgraded and for there to be warp scrams and webs. You carebears do have warp to zero and a map! I just feel that this game is moving more and more in favor of whiners and people who want low-sec to become more and more like high-sec. Once risk is taken out of this game, then that is the day Tranquility will be turned off. This effort at balancing things has turned into a serious bias in favor of carebears and whiners. Don't take my risk out of Eve. Don't make low-sec like the Concord hell that is high-sec. Don't balance the game into a premature grave. And lastly, don't make all those people who like to pirate have to join those annoying 00 alliances. cpp just want to make money. they want more customers. they know what the problem is with there hardware. its the eve code needs to be modified so that they get nodes faster. i herd it can be done but the prob is they it will be a long downtime say 1-2 weeks. server performace will be how it use to in the early days of eve, but as you know there some fat ceo wanting more money. lol i be up a long downtime so i can play the fecking game. they made this game so they could play it not so they culd sit back and make money. if all they wanted to was make money off of us they wouldn't hired 200 people to make games. yes they want monwy, so do you when you work everyday, but this game is the vision of the orginal 6, and they don't think it's what they invisioned yet. so they will keep maing it. if they want our money they wouldn't be releasing free expansions. they would chagre 10 buck each. so yes they want money, but they play this game too. and they love it :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote:** CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Mari Onette Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.03 20:18:00 - [61] The downward spiral was one of NiN's best albums. Oh wait, this is a whining thread? nm. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth
Andruw	Posted - 2007.08.03 20:41:00 - [62] it's not a downward spiral, it's a helterskelter.

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