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Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.08.07 15:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Carniflex It's more than 30% with proper spec skills. And it lets me one volley BC's in CNR. One BC down every 7 sec (faction launchers + hardwire and BCU's) plus some battleships need painter on them to feel the full effect of torps. Can kill 2 to 3 NPC battleships in minute with torp CNR. Altho in case of cruise Raven well .. you might be better off in Dominix with proper skills indeed. Cruise missile dps in not that spectacular. My problem with torps isn't BCS. Large rails and large drones eat them like they're made of paper too. Even cruise missiles take them out quickly. My problem with torps is they're almost completely useless vs cruisers and frigates. Both of which frequently make up at least half the hitpoints in a room if not more. If you still have quickfit up with those skills and fittings I'm curious what the dps for both of those setups is vs say....a pith/guristas killer (caracal-type). With two painters cruisers die very quickly too. And frigs are dealt with by drones (though I throw torps at inties too to get rid of them faster). And the missions where cruisers and frigs really make up half the effective hitpoints are few and far between (at least for me) and I do those in an Abaddon anyway. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:01:00 - [32] Originally by: Leandro Salazar With two painters cruisers die very quickly too. And frigs are dealt with by drones (though I throw torps at inties too to get rid of them faster). And the missions where cruisers and frigs really make up half the effective hitpoints are few and far between (at least for me) and I do those in an Abaddon anyway. Interesting. What's the quickfit DPS? ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.07 18:12:00 - [33] All skills for both ships at level V if they have any impact. Raven Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Siege Missile Launcher II [20xJuggernaut Torpedo] Turret Slot Turret Slot Ballistic Deflection Field I Ballistic Deflection Field I Heat Dissipation Field I X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Target Painter II Heavy Capacitor Booster II [5xCap Booster 800] Reactor Control Unit II Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II 9375 shield, 12.5/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/59/83/59 8301 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10 6640.625 cap, +30.59/s, -97.8/s 144.0 m/s 148.3 DPS vs. Pithi Arrogator (Frigate) 307.5 DPS vs. Pithum Killer (Cruiser) 532.0 DPS vs. Pithatis Assassin (Battlecruiser) 500.2 DPS vs. Pith Usurper (1M Battleship) Dominix 350mm Railgun II [80xAntimatter Charge L] 350mm Railgun II [80xAntimatter Charge L] 350mm Railgun II [80xAntimatter Charge L] 350mm Railgun II [80xAntimatter Charge L] 720mm Howitzer Artillery II [10xEMP M] 720mm Howitzer Artillery II [10xEMP M] Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large Armor Repairer II Rigs : Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II 6836 shield, 9.12/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/29/47/64 13013 armor, E/T/K/Ex=74/80/80/73 6250.0 cap, +57.29/s, -52.624/s 132.0 m/s 652.0 DPS vs. Pithi Arrogator (Frigate) 545.0 DPS vs. Pithum Killer (Cruiser) 499.4 DPS vs. Pithatis Assassin (Battlecruiser) 410.9 DPS vs. Pith Usurper (1M Battleship) vs. Frigate: Raven 148.3 DPS. Dominix 652.0 DPS. Winner: Dominix by 503.7 DPS. vs. Cruiser: Raven 307.5 DPS. Dominix 545.0 DPS. Winner: Dominix by 237.5 DPS. vs. Battlecruiser: Raven 532.0 DPS. Dominix 499.4 DPS. Winner: Raven by 32.6 DPS. vs. Battleship: Raven 500.2 DPS. Dominix 410.9 DPS. Winner: Raven by 89.3 DPS. It's pretty clear that the Raven significantly better than the dominix vs. a battleship and a good bit better at battlecruisers, however, the Dominix is better vs cruisers and frigates by a truly ridiculous margin. Unfortunately these calculations take into account neither drone flight time, nor defender missiles. Both ships benefit from the lack of drone flight time, but only the Raven benefits from defenders being omitted. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Impolite Andevil The Shadow Knights Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.07 21:54:00 - [34] Honestly, the Nighthawk seems a better choice than a Domi if your goal is to fry the BCs and smaller ships quickly. It doesn't do the damage vs. a BS, though. I think the ultimate missioning team would be a torp CNR + HML Nighthawk.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.08.07 23:37:00 - [35] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 07/08/2007 23:41:51 Originally by: Xaen [stuff] Unfortunately these calculations take into account neither drone flight time, nor defender missiles. Both ships benefit from the lack of drone flight time, but only the Raven benefits from defenders being omitted. Drone flight time is a 100% bigger issue for Domi with heavies. You also ignore painter effect, which any torp Raven must use to be efficient. And last but not least this topic is about CNRs, not standard Ravens. And you probably use quickfit average dps, which does not have much to do with reality. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.08 00:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 07/08/2007 23:41:51 Originally by: Xaen [stuff] Unfortunately these calculations take into account neither drone flight time, nor defender missiles. Both ships benefit from the lack of drone flight time, but only the Raven benefits from defenders being omitted. Drone flight time is a 100% bigger issue for Domi with heavies. You also ignore painter effect, which any torp Raven must use to be efficient. And last but not least this topic is about CNRs, not standard Ravens. And you probably use quickfit average dps, which does not have much to do with reality. Quickfit does not ignore the painter effect. Your figure regarding drone flight time is nothing more than unfounded speculation unless you have calculations that are more realistic than quickfit. Lastly, I was replying to someone who posted stats using what appears to be EFT. Quickfit is more realistic than that. EFT gives raw dps without regard to target signature radius, velocity, or distance. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.08.08 05:32:00 - [37] Originally by: Impolite Andevil Honestly, the Nighthawk seems a better choice than a Domi if your goal is to fry the BCs and smaller ships quickly. It doesn't do the damage vs. a BS, though. I think the ultimate missioning team would be a torp CNR + HML Nighthawk. I would put my isk on Torp CNR + Cruise CNR as ultimate mission running team. Both with painters. Nighthawk is v good tank and just reaps the smaller craft, but cruise raven does it almost as good and at same time packs more puntch against bigger targets (dps wise). Nighthawk dps is up to approx 400 (3x BCU + 5x Light T2 drones and heavy missiles) Cruise Raven dps is up to approx 600 (4x BCU + 5x Medium T2 drones) Altho ofc there is no doubt that Nighthawk has stronger tank (below gistii booster raven) and does more damage to frigates. It's just that frigates are not the problem in lev 4 missions usually.

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