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d'hofren
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.08.04 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: d''hofren on 04/08/2007 09:53:17
Many moons ago, back when cruisers were reworked and recons came out, minmatar were lumbered with target painting bonus's.
At the time there was a general consensus that the things were sub par, (apart from that brief few weeks when they could make a mwd'ing inty appear as big as a moon). They are still the only race specific ewar unit that neither decreases incoming dps nor impacts outgoing dps unless partnered with torps.
Ripe for re-invention?
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Commoner
Caldari
Backyard Gankstars
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Posted - 2007.08.04 09:54:00 -
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rage torpeodes and painters.... :)
The worst pvp'er in EVE :
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.08.04 10:12:00 -
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ok. Think about this for a while.
Webbing bonus + TP bonus + Dread in siege ==> pwnage
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pandymen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.08.04 10:14:00 -
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They also increase your chance to hit with turrets and the like thereby increasing dps, just not as much as a tracking computer (without bonuses at least). The difference between target painters and tracking comps is that the painters assist your entire gang.
Guess you gotta partner up with some torp ravens 
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d'hofren
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.08.04 10:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Laboratus
ok. Think about this for a while.
Webbing bonus + TP bonus + Dread in siege ==> pwnage
Dread in siege, small gang = dead dread very quick
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Alan Bell
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.04 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Alan Bell on 04/08/2007 11:49:47
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Laboratus
ok. Think about this for a while.
Webbing bonus + TP bonus + Dread in siege ==> pwnage
Dread in siege, small gang = dead dread very quick
unless its a moros 
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Vox'Dei
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:17:00 -
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Signature radius, according to the guides is supposed to directly effect number of hits.
However in practice it is not the direct penalty to hit rate it should be. Infact outside of missles, on the test server at least, I've found at optimal sniping range signature radius seems to be irrelavent.
tracking/range->sig radius seem to be the order of importance for reducing your damage.
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:31:00 -
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TP's are great for killing small things with big weapons, sadly almost everyone flies a battleship these days.
..oh and un-nerf t2 torps a little please. 
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Rhaegor Stormborn
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Posted - 2007.08.04 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 04/08/2007 14:10:11
This has been said forever. I still agree. Target Painters need a major buff. I think they should add an additional affect of lowering resistances.
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Marlona Sky
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Posted - 2007.08.05 05:28:00 -
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How about introducing a rig that increases the signature radias bonus of target painters like they have for sensor dampeners, ecm and tracking disruptors??
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.05 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alan Bell
Edited by: Alan Bell on 04/08/2007 11:49:47
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: Laboratus
ok. Think about this for a while.
Webbing bonus + TP bonus + Dread in siege ==> pwnage
Dread in siege, small gang = dead dread very quick
unless its a moros
Same result, just a lil more hassle 
Anyways, I have never seen yet that someone would fit a TP on minmatar recon. Only maybe once when we fought same Moros I mentioned, but TP guy died real quick.
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Oscar Clay
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:09:00 -
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You know what I think would get a lot more people using target painters? Convert the Bellicose to a missile boat.
Just trade out one or two of its guns for launcher hardpoints and replace its gun RoF bonus with a missile one and presto, suddenly you've got a decent, affordable anti-interceptor boat that might actually be able to do some killing on its own for a change. |
Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: d'hofren
Dread in siege, small gang = dead dread very quick
I wonder what the dread is fitted with.
Capitals can take a lot of punishment. As an example:
In this vid a thana tanks 16 ships, 12 BS, for the whole duration of a 3h battle. Any capital with resistance oriented boni can do still better and dreads have eaven meaner tanks.
Also, if you can get into optimal of short range dread guns the resulting dps can be suprisingly high:)
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.08.05 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Oscar Clay
You know what I think would get a lot more people using target painters? Convert the Bellicose to a missile boat.
Just trade out one or two of its guns for launcher hardpoints and replace its gun RoF bonus with a missile one and presto, suddenly you've got a decent, affordable anti-interceptor boat that might actually be able to do some killing on its own for a change.
That would be fine if it had more powergrid. I do a standard fitting and the best I can get is 400mm plate on it. Nasty.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:00:00 -
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They are terribly underrated.
Besides... have you checked the initials on all variants? 
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
They are terribly underrated.
Besides... have you checked the initials on all variants?
Would be nice if the T2 variant had a bit more effect than the best named.
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Ruciza
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Posted - 2007.08.05 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: pandymen
They also increase your chance to hit with turrets and the like thereby increasing dps, just not as much as a tracking computer (without bonuses at least). The difference between target painters and tracking comps is that the painters assist your entire gang.
Target painters are better than tracking computers as regards to tracking, TC have 30% and TP have 40% with max skills. They don't provide more range as the tradeoff, but benefit anybody shooting at the target.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.05 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks
Would be nice if the T2 variant had a bit more effect than the best named.
No other EW t2 variant has more of an effect than the best named so I don't see why this should... it's not all that bad realy.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:50:00 -
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I too would like to see painters boosted in some way. How, I dont know, maybe a direct damage increase, say, 5%.
I wouldnt mind putting some more missle hardpoints to help the bellicose. Although the huginn and rapier dont exactly need a boost.
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Gallente Picante
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:50:00 -
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Honestly, more range would be nice. :(
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