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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 08:16:00 -
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Heron
What is the point of this ship? It can't fight, it can't mine, it has little cargo hold, it's not exactly fast. Honestly, what is the point? This ship is basically a Bantam, but much much worse.
Bellicose & Scythe
The black sheep of the Minmatar cruisers, I can honestly say I've never seen either of these cruisers, EVER.
Arbitrator
Drone carrier? Useless, never seen it in game.
Osprey
Another useless ship, used to be a semi-popular low end cruisers, but there's not much use for this ship at all.
Celestis
Electronics Warfare cruiser and 3 medium slots? Ooo***kaayyy....
Exequror
Can't say I've ever seen one..
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.02.01 08:28:00 -
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Hmmz, Exequror is nice ship.
I think the navitas is useless too, not enough cpu (unless you have electronic 4, which most navitas pilots wont have) to fit 2 miner 1s.
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Centauri
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Centauri on 01/02/2004 09:36:37
Heron - I'll agree on that one.
Bellicose - Actually it has its uses as a replacement for a Stabber. It has a few advantages, namely its extra low slot, and substantial drone space.
Scythe - It's fast, it's cheap, no one cries if they lose one. I fail to see the problem here.
Arbitrator - I fly one for agent missions. Outside of an Apocalypse, it's the only Amarr ship to mount a missile launcher. Has a good size drone bay as well, and acceptable defenses. Looks really neat as well.
Osprey - I'd say it's like the Scythe in its versatility. I'd rather learn how to fly a cruiser in an Osprey than a Thorax at more than twice the price.
Celestis - Again, like the Amarr Arbitrator, this ship is unique in its ability to fire missiles, unlike all other Gallente cruisers. That alone makes it an acceptable ship.
Exequror - A good mining vessel actually for those just moving out of frigates. It has all you need and nothing you don't.
All in all, the ships you mentioned may be less popular, but they're far from useless. I've flown most, if not all of them, and consider each to be a fun alternative to the three zillion Thoraxes and Moa's flying around out there.
...that being said, I'll still ride into battle in my Apocalypse when the going gets tough 
Centauri,
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Centauri on 01/02/2004 09:36:37
Heron - I'll agree on that one.
Bellicose - Actually it has its uses as a replacement for a Stabber. It has a few advantages, namely its extra low slot, and substantial drone space.
Scythe - It's fast, it's cheap, no one cries if they lose one. I fail to see the problem here.
Arbitrator - I fly one for agent missions. Outside of an Apocalypse, it's the only Amarr ship to mount a missile launcher. Has a good size drone bay as well, and acceptable defenses. Looks really neat as well.
Osprey - I'd say it's like the Scythe in its versatility. I'd rather learn how to fly a cruiser in an Osprey than a Thorax at more than twice the price.
Celestis - Again, like the Amarr Arbitrator, this ship is unique in its ability to fire missiles, unlike all other Gallente cruisers. That alone makes it an acceptable ship.
Exequror - A good mining vessel actually for those just moving out of frigates. It has all you need and nothing you don't.
All in all, the ships you mentioned may be less popular, but they're far from useless. I've flown most, if not all of them, and consider each to be a fun alternative to the three zillion Thoraxes and Moa's flying around out there.
...that being said, I'll still ride into battle in my Apocalypse when the going gets tough
Other than Ospreys I can honestly say I've never seen any of those ships, and I've come across a lot of ships. :)
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Centauri
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:41:00 -
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Then don't say they're useless unless you try them my man. Most are actually quite good - just different or not *quite* as "perfect" for a job as their more popular counterparts.
Centauri,
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:43:00 -
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Then don't say they're useless unless you try them my man. Most are actually quite good - just different or not *quite* as "perfect" for a job as their more popular counterparts.
When 0.000001% of Eve uses a ship, I'd say it's useless. Especially Heron, that ship is complete trash.
Most of the above ships are just novelties, so I'm sticking with the useless tag on them.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.02.01 09:44:00 -
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I fly an arbitrator occasionally and have flown a few ospreys .. went boom pretty much right away tho :P
Exequror is the only lvl 1 cruiser that can use 4 turrets.. best noob mining cruiser.
From what I hear Celestis get used by some people.. can't say I know why.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 01/02/2004 10:02:40
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I fly an arbitrator occasionally and have flown a few ospreys .. went boom pretty much right away tho :P
Exequror is the only lvl 1 cruiser that can use 4 turrets.. best noob mining cruiser.
From what I hear Celestis get used by some people.. can't say I know why.
The Celestis may be a black sheep but it is a very good cruiser.
With decent skills you can fit 3x 250mm Railguns and 2x H-50. I have not flown one myself for some time but you need to fit some RCU's IIRC. Aside from that, a good afterburner, damage mod and tracking enhancer. Add to that drones and you are rocking.
Edti: Forgot to top it off with the fact you also get the damage bonus!
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:33:00 -
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Most lvl 1 cruisers are just stepping stones between bantams and moa's.. its so a newbie can earn a little more cash, instaid of having to mine 3 times as much before he can finally switch to a cruiser.
As for the Celestis, it might suck at EW but it has decent DoT and is pretty versatile.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:40:00 -
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what do u mean no one uses arbitor?
My frend use it whit wery good degree of suckses
and its cool looking ship 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 10:46:00 -
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what do u mean no one uses arbitor?
My frend use it whit wery good degree of suckses
and its cool looking ship
suckses, there's a hidden meaning in that right?
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:16:00 -
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Heron
What is the point of this ship? It can't fight, it can't mine, it has little cargo hold, it's not exactly fast. Honestly, what is the point? This ship is basically a Bantam, but much much worse.
Bellicose & Scythe
The black sheep of the Minmatar cruisers, I can honestly say I've never seen either of these cruisers, EVER.
Arbitrator
Drone carrier? Useless, never seen it in game.
Osprey
Another useless ship, used to be a semi-popular low end cruisers, but there's not much use for this ship at all.
Celestis
Electronics Warfare cruiser and 3 medium slots? Ooo***kaayyy....
Exequror
Can't say I've ever seen one..
What's up Jim - you're saying the Raven isn't the worst ship in the game?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:16:00 -
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I've flown Arbitrators in the past, and I'm sure I will again in the future. It's a good ship if fitted out right, if a little brittle.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:18:00 -
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What's up Jim - you're saying the Raven isn't the worst ship in the game?
In terms of usefulness, I wouldn't say any of the battleships are useless per say. Armageddon is probably the least useful of them all though.
Armageddon/Dominix are fairly rare now. Raven certainly is getting more rare as people trade it in for Tempests, and well Scorpion.. hey 8 midslots.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:32:00 -
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celestis becuase it is cheap and can fitt 2 launchers, for people that cant fly BB's its nice, i like it for suicide attacks :)
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shakaZ XV
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:40:00 -
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Add Auguror to that list...its so crap most ppl probably dont know wtf it is :D never seen one "live" :P
And its not cheap either cause almost no one makes them, and the ones that do sell them for the same price as a thorax
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.02.01 11:56:00 -
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You actually see more of these ships within empire, since it has become more hazardous for such ships to be outside of it.
I've seen more Celestis these days, probably helped by posts in this forum that raises some recognizability. It's fairly fast, decent cargo space, got Gallente hybrid bonus mixed with missiles, a healthy drone complement, fair number of low slots and strong CPU. One can say it's a drone-missile cruiser without the weaknesses of Minmatar cruisers and the eccentricities of Caldari cruisers.
I've seen more Arbitrators these days than it was early in the game when I had one. The reason for this is more people now have the skills to fully use one, and if you have the skills to match it, it kicks arse over the Omen. 2 Heavy Beams, one Heavy Launcher with cruises and six heavy drones, and you can kick arse over most missions as well. This is a good mission ship, and is the main reason why people buy these. The Celestis is also helped by mission players.
The Bellicose is still even rarer than the Arbit and the Celestis, but I've seen more marketplace listings of this ship lately. Whereas the Celestis and the Arbitrator has to compete against a four turret mining-utility cruiser (Vexor and Omen respectively), the Bellicose has to compete against a more full fledged combat ship in the Stabber. It's a lot nicer than it looks---you can fit 3 Heavy Launchers on it.
I see a lot of Exequerors and Ospreys these days, more so lately because L2 cruisers are so expensive now, many noobs are getting L1 cruisers nowadays instead of skipping to L2 cruisers directly (where the Omen often serves as a noob's first cruiser---it was with me and countless others). It's harder to see an Augoror, which is the game's worst cruiser, but the marketplaces always lists Augorors for sale, complete with sales histories.
Which leaves you with the Scythe, because its really hard to find a Scythe anywhere, even in Minmatar space.
Celestis, Arbitrator and Bellicose are also quite common as NPC navy ships for the Gallentean, Amarr/Sarum/Ammatar/Khanid, and Minmatar naviees respectively.
Caracals have turned around since the game started. They used to be very rare since they were utterly useless early with all the missiles too crappy and expensive before. But now I see them quite often as missiles gradually improved.
Ruptures have turned around quite nice too, although its been at the expense of the Stabber, which was once quite popular. I hardly see a Stabber these days but I still often fly one for hunting and picking up abandoned cans on belts (many battleships just blow NPCs up in the belts and leave the cans).
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.02.01 12:07:00 -
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Ive used a Celestis for agent missions, ugly as sin but a very nice ship other wise. Probably too weak for pvp hence never seen where the gentleman from Moo resides. I liked the 2 launchers and 3 rail combo.
Another corp mate also uses one for the same thing, sooner or later im gonna look at getting another one.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.02.01 12:07:00 -
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I fly an arbitrator occasionally and have flown a few ospreys .. went boom pretty much right away tho :P
Exequror is the only lvl 1 cruiser that can use 4 turrets.. best noob mining cruiser.
From what I hear Celestis get used by some people.. can't say I know why.
Because it is the only gallente cruiser that can use missiles.
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Fritz Ionar
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Posted - 2004.02.01 12:12:00 -
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I use an Exequror for agent missions, have 3 +30m/s overdrives and 4 afterburners. I top at well over 900m/s (don't remember the exact speed) and still has a decent cargo hold.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.01 12:16:00 -
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I use an Exequror for agent missions, have 3 +30m/s overdrives and 4 afterburners. I top at well over 900m/s (don't remember the exact speed) and still has a decent cargo hold.
And it looks cool to
Use nanofibers instead.
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.02.01 12:27:00 -
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Arbitrator gets my vote as a decent ship - and its the only amar cruiser to have a missile slot..
And actually looks the part unlike alot of cruisers
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.01 13:52:00 -
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each ship should have a uniqe bonus...
Osprey
The Osprey looks like a Industrial Cruiser, maybe give it 10% to Mining each lvl?
Arbitrator
This is a nice ship, looks really mean and stuff, and since it is a Drone Carrier maybe give it 10% larger drone bay each lvl?
Celestis
When ECM gets range maybe give it 10% extra range each lvl?
and btw, no need for a extra medSlot if ECM moves to HiSlot! If CCP makes ECM HiSlot it will make almost all Gallente Ships to be a ECM ship... and the reason that Caldari ships gets better advantages by using ECM is becouse the Caldari ships got much more CPU!!!
Exequror
This ship looks really cool, i would call it a Light Cruiser, so maybe give it a 10% increase of speed each lvl?
I havent tried any of the other ships, but im sure ppl can find a good bonus for them too....
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Silex D'Arden
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Posted - 2004.02.01 14:04:00 -
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Don't forget about the Tristan, a well balanced ship, not to mention the 1 launcher point which is nice on a gallente frigate. Plus....its looks awesome.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.02.01 14:05:00 -
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I don't know where you get your information from Jim, but I just sold 3 Bellicose's last week.
People like them. They are FAST (almost as fast as a Stabber), have more low slots then a Stabber, more missile slots, and good drone space (can carry 3 heavy drones). More than enough to keep somebody safe mining in a 0.5 system. For a multipurpose ship, with good capabilities, which allows somebody to try multiple aspects of the game (mining, little combat, drones, missiles), it's a bargain compared to the cost of a Thorax.
As for the Scythe, it has great cargo space, and is really cheap to make.
Not everybody can afford battleships, and these nice little cruisers are perfect for corporations and people moving up from frigates.
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Fritz Ionar
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Posted - 2004.02.01 14:49:00 -
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I use an Exequror for agent missions, have 3 +30m/s overdrives and 4 afterburners. I top at well over 900m/s (don't remember the exact speed) and still has a decent cargo hold.
And it looks cool to
Use nanofibers instead.
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Reaper Grim
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Posted - 2004.02.01 16:23:00 -
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i use to use a celestis for pvp with great success before the days of the battle ship.
it was even rarer then and most underestimated the power of one up close (3x anode ion blasters and 2 x h-50 with torps along with drones) meant it dealt a serious ammount of dmg (one full salvo of guns and missiles doing about 1300dmg).
very underated, and with ship prices on the rise, it makes alot of sense for a small skirmishes and people wanting to get into fighting. |
Deep Spacer
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Posted - 2004.02.01 16:26:00 -
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i flown all of the above cruisers and frigates...and all i can say is your and idiot jim 
the arbitrator is a very powerful ship u can fit 2 heavy beams an h-50 and a smartbomb, then ride into battle with a few heavy drones in tow, i have 1650 armor on mine with a huge recharge (and i am the dude that uses the arbitrator to good "suckses" with siddy)
the other ships are the same way, cheap lil cruisers that with a good setup can tackle most anything....the only thing i find useless on that list are the heron and navitas...i find all frigates under lvl 3 to be lame garbage (though the navitas is a good looking ship, and the second frigate i bought in the game )
Fly these ships jim before u start whining about em, i think your at your whining quota for the year at the moment
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.01 16:43:00 -
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"Heron
What is the point of this ship? It can't fight, it can't mine, it has little cargo hold, it's not exactly fast. Honestly, what is the point? This ship is basically a Bantam, but much much worse."
... Before frigate MWD's were introduced Heron would make a great lil' courier ship because it'd mount one AFB more than Condor, giving it higher speed in the end. Right not though there's no reason for it, unless you want that third middle slot or bit more of cargo space for some odd reason. o.o;
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.02.01 17:24:00 -
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All of what has been said here is valid. However, I think Jim's original point is this:
Ships should have more varied uses than just how much dmg/sec they can dish out and take.
That being said, there ARE in fact many ships that exhibit these characteristics and thus can be considered balanced. The celestis, for example, when outfitted correctly, can decimate a thorax. Those two missile HPs are key in this regard.
Another couple of good examples of varied roles are the blackbird and the caracal. Electronics platform and heavy missile boat. The thing is, it seems that the Caldari are the only race with ships that are actually balanced out for different uses.
Condor - light combat
Griffin - electronics frig
Kestrel - missile frig
Merlin - heavy combat
Osprey - cheap versatility
Blackbird - electronics cruiser
Caracal - missile cruiser
Moa - heavy combat
Scorpion - electronics battleship
Raven - missile battleship
Now the other races, with some exceptions (see: celestis, above) have some balance. But can anyone tell me what the difference between an Omen and a Maller are besides one being able to dish out a ton more damage and take a lot more? In the documentation manual that came with the book most of the ships had interesting bonuses --- i.e., -10% duration with mining lasers, -25% cap usage with ECM modules, etc.
In fact, if you look at what is intended with elite frigates, you will see an example of how tweaking the bonuses on ships can force them into fulfilling certain roles and MAKE them useful. For example, covert ops ships have -90% CPU usage using cloaking devices and deep space scanners. DCM mining frigs have -90% CPU usage with DCM mining lasers.
If CCP could backpedal a little bit and implement useful and varied bonuses to a lot of the ships that are currently commissioned, you might see more people using them.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.01 18:35:00 -
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Shia Dai sums it up. It's not that the ships are useless, it's just that their comparitive advantage vs some of the other ships gets lost. They don't even need to be made "better," just more unique.
The comment about the caldari ships being the only ones to get this right is also right on.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.02.01 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sqalevon on 01/02/2004 19:15:22
Edited by: Sqalevon on 01/02/2004 19:13:18
The problem is Jim, Ships are replaceable
thats why everyone flies lvl3 cruisers.
But if people didnt have money in quantities we now have, people would be more carefull with what they fly. And might prefer a "lesser" ship above the high end ones, because when lost, it wouldnt make that much of a setback.
So basicly the problem is, why the hell do i have money to buy a Rupture for everyday of the week, not bothering when i loose one.
And not, why does this ship have lesser stats then that one.
I think i aint much off when i say 30% of EVE ( active members ) has one or more Battleship(s).
I think thats the problem, its too easy to make money ... catch my drift.
And i dont want to say, nerf all incomes, i say, the ships are made for a system where people would not have huge amounts of resources. This game will be alot more intresting of people werent so rich :)
I remember when i just started playing this game ( round the time the highway system got implemented ) My first Cruiser was a Scythe, I loved it, and didnt have much more money, so i couldnt afford a Stabber or even a Rupture.
I remember it as the fun days, where i still was amazed when i saw a Battleship.
the Cost/Stats isnt important anymore, cause Cost isnt a isue, so people just shop for the best Stats.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.02.01 19:59:00 -
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I dont know much about the other ships but the bellicose actually is very usefull.
Most people go for the stabber over the bellicose but if you compare them and take drones into account then the bellicose is a better ship.
The bellicose has only gotten such a bad rep because all the problems with drones.
For mining that drone space should put it before the stabber be it mining with escorts (3 lasers and 750m3 of miningdrones) or solomining (3 lasers and a bunch of drones guarding).
For combat the bellicose is a good ship too as the 750m3 cargo as compared to the 100m3 of the stabber more than compensates for the lost turret/Hi slot. The bellicose also has 4 low slots (3for stabber) wich is very valuable for PvP.
In short, if the drones would stop doing suicide runs into missiles and spread out a tad the bellicose would be a valuable alternative to the stabber.
And it looks nice too, I love my bellicose.
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2004.02.02 00:34:00 -
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Arbitrator is probably the only semi usefull amarr cruiser for pk'ing.
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2004.02.02 00:51:00 -
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Ships should have more varied uses than just how much dmg/sec they can dish out and take.
I agree completely.
-Tyria.
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Isang Relow
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Posted - 2004.02.02 10:44:00 -
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I think Ravens would look better if they had a left wing, or is it the right? cant remember, lol
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Denst Rowell
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:06:00 -
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i bloody hate sycthes
they suck.
herons look pretty
but sycthed def. are balls
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 02/02/2004 11:39:58
Heron I believe actually has a lot lower mass than the condor (memory from testing them on chaos is that its one of the lightest?) so in theory it gets more out of the mwd than the condor in j0's example .. although no telling if/what they changed it to since I last looked
Scythes definetely aren't helped by looking like a flying vacuum cleaner imho :P although in theory it has the lowest sig radius and highest agility of any cruiser, maybe scan res too ?.
Belicose is also more agile than the stabber afaik, I think others already covered the other notable points of that
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fras
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Posted - 2004.02.02 11:51:00 -
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Arbitrator is my fave Amarr cruiser, it's great as long as you have the drone and missile skills.
Osprey, yeah it's very weak.
Exequror is possibly the best lvl 1 cruiser. Decent cargo, can mine and hunt ok.
I've had a couple of Celestis but never kept them long, I think it was just too ugly but any ship that has guns, drones and missiles is a good combo imo.
But forget the above ships, Augoror! omg
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Zopha
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Posted - 2004.02.02 12:32:00 -
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I loved my Exequror, mostly because the only thing I was a treat to was asteroid. It could hold twice the mining lasers my frigate could! and it could hold more drones! I started attacking Kernite roids then :)
Cool looking ship aswell, got a few "wtf is that?" Nice cargo bay on it aswell, it got dusted off an used for agent mission quite a few times.
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Agan Rafa
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Posted - 2004.02.02 13:14:00 -
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Don't forget though that *in theory* these ships would have been exclusive to race - in other words if any of these ships were the only one of a type available they might see more use. Its just too damn easy to learn the skills for other races ships imo....
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Rahzelk
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Posted - 2004.02.02 15:38:00 -
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Its just too damn easy to learn the skills for other races ships imo....
Totally agree
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.02.02 17:24:00 -
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Well, for a beginner who's trying to stay race specific, the Heron's essentially a 'poor man's Vigil'.
Nowhere as good as a vigil, but they're so flinking cheap to make compared to the vigil, you could feasibly get into one 40% if you're just starting out, and certainly a lot sooner if you're not branching out your frigate skills to other races. Even now, I still sell a Heron about every other week, so -someone- must like them. Either that, or I'm the only one making them anymore in Eve, and they're being bought for completing someone's frigate collection?
Other than that, style's the only reason I can see an experienced player using a Heron, just to be weird - they're tinfoil terrors otherwise.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.02 18:29:00 -
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i had a scythe once..it lasted maybe 3 hours before i sold it. definitely useless.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2004.02.02 18:40:00 -
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I fly an arbitrator occasionally and have flown a few ospreys .. went boom pretty much right away tho :P
Exequror is the only lvl 1 cruiser that can use 4 turrets.. best noob mining cruiser.
From what I hear Celestis get used by some people.. can't say I know why.
I keep a Celestis around for agent missions and it is a fine ship. If you have say, battleship level skills, then go back to it, it has wonderful fitting. 3 250s a H-50 and a M-12 no problem. I wouldn't PVP with it, but it would be a decent hunting ship . . . also can carry 8 Hammerheads.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.02.02 19:02:00 -
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I like the Celestis and the Bellicose - I have both.
Bellicose is basically a Blackbird missing 3 mid slots and gaining 2 low slots. It also has drone space for 3 heavies so it has its uses. I used to camp gates in CFS space ,waiting for pirates to show up, with one when i first got Torpedos way back when.
Celestis is a decent hunter though I dislike NPC hunting to the 10th degree. Don't think its much use PvP except the fact it can use a Large Shield boost, 2 hardners ... 4 cap relays and fire missiles ( FoF cruise too ) so it has its rare uses. Actually, the bellicose can do that a bit better too which isn't a bad idea if you want a cheap cruise missile boat.
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Diana Merris
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Posted - 2004.02.02 20:34:00 -
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I fly a Bellicose and a friend of mine flies a Arbitrator.
I've seen plenty of celestis in gallente space.
All of the lvl 1 cruisers get kinda neglected because it only costs a couple 100k more to get a much better lvl 2 cruiser.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.02.02 21:25:00 -
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I had a Bellicose for quite some time and rather liked it. Good for mining solo with the heavy drones for cover. I think the main problem is you can spend another couple of days and be able to fly a Vexor or Thorax, both of which are much better. The cross-training is something that really should be looked into.
The Scythe sucks tho.
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Dreck Morrison
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Posted - 2004.02.02 23:44:00 -
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I agree that CCP blew it and should have made training other races ships skills possible but at a 2 time penalty.
My first 3 cruisers were an Aurgoror. Can fit 3 mining lasers and run 2 basic mining drones. I used it to mine for my Omen and replacement augorors. Learned all the bad lessons about gate guns and losing ships to hard NPCs with it....glad I used a lvl 1 Cruiser since with insurance it only cost me about 1M isk to get back on my feet back then. Still have the third one I bought and use it for agent hauling missions.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.02.03 03:44:00 -
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i agree i think the Heron should be the bantam and vice versa, the bantam is soo but ugly, and the heron is sooo cool, shame the heron is a pile of ****
and the auguror amarr cruiser, i have NEVER seen anyone fly that ship on TQ, i have seen all the other ships u mentioned jim (only see n a scythe once lol), but the auguror is like WTF am i? LOL
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.02.03 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ukiah on 03/02/2004 03:53:31
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I fly an arbitrator occasionally and have flown a few ospreys .. went boom pretty much right away tho :P
Exequror is the only lvl 1 cruiser that can use 4 turrets.. best noob mining cruiser.
From what I hear Celestis get used by some people.. can't say I know why.
The Celt is a fine ship, although the ship description is wildly inaccurate. It's 'usability' is the fact that it is the ONLY gallente cruiser that can use missiles. Additionally, it's the fastest base gallente cruiser, has decent drone space and decent CPU and powergrid (actually has more CPU than Thorax).
I ignored it initially because I thought that the Thorax was the cruiser to have, simply because it was the lev3. However, when I began farming NPC's, I found it ..... lacking. I bought a Celestis to experiment with and promptly lost it within the hour. Horrible setup. However, I bought another, changed the setup and I've used that ship for MONTHS now. I LOVE the ship. There have been several other people who sing it's praises and, although I can't remember their names, there have been a couple pirates and anti-pirates who SWEAR by it for cruiser pvp. One person claiming that he could use a well fitted Celt to beat a well fitted Thorax and had done so repeatedly.
It is NOT the top of the line ship. Howeve, it's inexpensive, it's flexible (that part of the ship description is dead on) and the fact that few people are smart enough to give it the second glance it deserves makes it the ship for me.
I've used mine several times to run blockades and have actually forced a couple BB's to find easier prey
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Sebiestor Jackal
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Posted - 2004.02.12 18:30:00 -
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and look heres another topic that Jim is whining in AND once again not everyone agrre's with u includeing me these ships r not useless as explained above. u just need to learn how to use them stop whining
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.02.12 19:26:00 -
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Well, to be fair, Jim DOES post a lot of what I'm sure some people consider whining posts.
While it would appear that I disagree with him in this thread, this is an aberration. Most of the time, I think his criticisms are dead on.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.12 19:55:00 -
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and look heres another topic that Jim is whining in AND once again not everyone agrre's with u includeing me these ships r not useless as explained above. u just need to learn how to use them stop whining
Give me a few reasons to use a Heron instead of another caldari frigate in the same price range, then.
Sure, Jim "whines" a lot, if you consider wanting better game balance whining. Not a bad thing IMHO and he usually does it right too - not the "I want it all" way.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:07:00 -
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The guy is a troll Jarjar, and not even a very good one at that, he's obviously under the age of 12, so why argue with a child?
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Sebiestor Jackal
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Posted - 2004.02.12 20:35:00 -
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The guy is a troll Jarjar, and not even a very good one at that, he's obviously under the age of 12, so why argue with a child?
its called useing m0o forum tatics Jim and u fell right into it not bad for a 12 year old i just want to get a rise out of u thats all. Jim expects the game to be balanced within a day or 2 but these thing take time Jim u gotta have patience relax dude you'll get your way sooner or later just like the carebears do
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.02.12 21:45:00 -
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arbitrator is perhaps the coolest ship in teh game. I dont care about its useability, the fact that its rare and looks good make it a decent cruiser. decent drone bay, and can fit some decent stuff.
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.02.12 21:55:00 -
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jim, osprey is not usless, its a noob crusier. chap to get into, and easy to insure. Ive seen alot more of them in the past month than i ever had before.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2004.02.13 03:40:00 -
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i agree i think the Heron should be the bantam and vice versa, the bantam is soo but ugly, and the heron is sooo cool, shame the heron is a pile of ****
and the auguror amarr cruiser, i have NEVER seen anyone fly that ship on TQ, i have seen all the other ships u mentioned jim (only see n a scythe once lol), but the auguror is like WTF am i? LOL
I saw an Auguror in Luminaire the other day. I was half expecting to wake up.
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Sebiestor Jackal
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Posted - 2004.04.09 14:47:00 -
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i agree i think the Heron should be the bantam and vice versa, the bantam is soo but ugly, and the heron is sooo cool, shame the heron is a pile of ****
and the auguror amarr cruiser, i have NEVER seen anyone fly that ship on TQ, i have seen all the other ships u mentioned jim (only see n a scythe once lol), but the auguror is like WTF am i? LOL
I saw an Auguror in Luminaire the other day. I was half expecting to wake up.
nice looking ship
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:12:00 -
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Dang how far u go back for this one its 2 months old
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Tar Xsix
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:15:00 -
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What's wrong with the Scythe? I ran almost all my lvl 2 agent missions with one. It's fast and got the job done every time. And if I would of lost it, it wouldn't of been hard to replace. Also, when I went from a Probe to a Scythe mining in .6 systems, my life was made much eaiser:)
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:01:00 -
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Stop bumping old threads please.
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