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Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:04:00 -
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In a totally unwarrented and senseless attack, without any warning or indeed any attempt to communicate at all, Fountain Alliance "heroes" destroyed an unarmed shuttle belonging to BBBB today.
The heroic destruction of the BBBB "Ub3r shuttle of d00m" required warships including battleships and the deployment of 1400mm artillery missiles and laser weapons.
Without doubt the action clearly indicates the might and power of the FA fleet and its ability to defend its own space from any incursions of totally harmless pilot sin unarmed ships.
The galaxy is now a safer place.
BBBB salutes the heroic actions of the FA.
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2004.02.01 19:54:00
Solar System: YZ-LQL
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: DeepThought
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Carbide Industries
Ship Type: Raven
Name: Peel (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.2
Corporation: Cold Fusion Inc.
Ship Type: Thorax
Weapon Type: 250mm Carbide Railgun I
Name: PheenixxFire
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: Cold Fusion Inc.
Ship Type: Kestrel
Name: Aneu Angellus
Security Status: 0.2
Corporation: Fury Inc
Ship Type: Raven
Name: Jospef Rasputin
Security Status: 1.5
Corporation: Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies
Ship Type: Apocalypse
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:06:00 -
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Its a warzone, whatcha expect, a cup of tea and a warm welcome?
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Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:10:00 -
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I expect:
a) some attempt at identifying a pilot
b) some attempt at estimating the threat level of an unarmed shuttle against an assembled war fleet
c) I expect tea AND crumpets
Obvously your mothers didn't teach you a damn thing about how to treat a lady.
Did m0o prove too tough so that you just whack shuttles to prove your masculinity in FA now?
Oh - no! I get it... I was bringing my weapons to bear on you - that was it, i obviously posed a threat? 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:22:00 -
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was you in fountain, since that would explain it.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 01/02/2004 20:32:26
what do u expect when u fly through a warzone?
Northern Intelligence salutes the stupidity of BBBB
"We brake for nobody"
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:33:00 -
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Mikka:
maybe you were a spy for the other side, or carrying an important BP, etc. etc.
Not sure why you think you should be able to get through a FA or FE blockade unscathed...
You were probably frustrated when you made this post, which might explain why you forgot that it's really up to you to get clearance from whoever is guarding the gates...
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:40:00 -
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Mikka,
I agree with what you are trying to say here. Unfortunately, there are alot of people in this game that have this problem.
While you may have been in a bad area of town, your point is justified. Given the forces that were obviously on hand at the time, I would assume that they would have PLENTY of time and security to warp scramble you, webify, whatever...so that they could take the agonizing 2 seconds to pull up your corp info. This seems to be way too difficult a concept for many. Many in this game quite literally spend all their time at gates ganking. They play a "twitch" game for the most part. The concept of opening a communications channel with the other ship is completely foreign to this type player. And tieing into this practice would be something called honour and respect. I have met a few people in the game who display these qualities...but as in real life I suppose...they are far and few between. As the case seems to be, you would be lucky to get a simple appology out of some of the creatures in this game, even if they were affiliated with your very own alliance.
Being nice for the sake of being nice.....hrmmm.
But I digress...indeed, maybe your shuttle DID scare them, which is why they freaked out and unleashed such fury upon you. At least you only lost your shuttle. That's a good thing I guess. And the fact that you were able to add to your address book. 
Sincerely,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mikka Mackern on 01/02/2004 20:48:45
Oddly yes i was.
OMW to buy something from an FA member.
I broke a nail you know?
That's serious.
Vacuole:
Its rather hard to know somebody is blockading a gate before one actually gets into the system. Please, howeer, excuse my ignorance for not bringing my crystal ball with me to deduce where the particular "warfleet of today" was being placed.
Its a shame as I actually have a very nice mauve one. It went with my nails.
My CEO is also wondering at what point [BBBB] ships have been identified as spies though?
Oh i forgot - they didn't stop to look, silly me.
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Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mikka Mackern on 01/02/2004 20:55:39
Quote:
Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 01/02/2004 20:32:26
what do u expect when u fly through a warzone?
Northern Intelligence salutes the stupidity of BBBB
Stupidity?
What as stupid as not botheirng to look at a shuttle's Corp Tag before crapping over it with 5 ships?
A shuttle otw to buy things from the FA?
Oh my yes - patently stupid.
Or, tell me, you use a different dictionary in the FA?
Edit - sorry I only just noticed your Corp - obviously you DO use the words "stupid" and "intelligent" differently. I do apologies.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2004.02.01 20:56:00 -
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No idea what the FA does there, but it seems pretty risky to trek through a known hot zone. I mean, sure, they might make a mistake, be jerks, etc. etc. but in the final analysis, it's you who lost the ship. :)
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:02:00 -
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I expect:
a) some attempt at identifying a pilot
b) some attempt at estimating the threat level of an unarmed shuttle against an assembled war fleet
c) I expect tea AND crumpets
Obvously your mothers didn't teach you a damn thing about how to treat a lady.
Did m0o prove too tough so that you just whack shuttles to prove your masculinity in FA now?
Oh - no! I get it... I was bringing my weapons to bear on you - that was it, i obviously posed a threat?
If you expect that then you have little to no experience of an eve warzone condition.
Maybe if u stay in empire u won't get hurt.
Reverend Necrona |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:11:00 -
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Vacuole: She lost a shuttle worth nothing and a free clone - they lost a deal worth millions.
I will leave that salient point for you to determine net-loss at your leisure.
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FA should have taken the time to check a corp tag if nothing else. All other excuses aside. A little less trigger-happy next time would be appreciated.
In the meantime I've told Mikka (and the rest of the corp) not to trade within Fountain anymore. It isnt worth the effort if they (the FA) are not prepaired to spend half a second identifying ships or to warn their own customers of blockades.
They want anything then they can deliver it and/or they can fetch it themselves.
Pretty simple really and a pertinent experience for anybody thinking of trading with FA members (and pretty much any other alliance of similar carelessness):
Make them come to you: always.
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This ends this delightful interlude.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 01/02/2004 21:14:51
Ok, let me explain to you in my official capacity as a representative from the Fountain Alliance.
Your corporation contacted Xanadu no more than 3 days ago to negotiate a passport, this was denied due to Fountain currently being a war-zone and we dont want any inocent bloodshed when we can avoid it. Everyone who isnt a member of FA (Or napped, or officialy declared friends of Fountain) is targeted within Fountain and destroyed, you were denied entrance, therefore you were destroyed.
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:21:00 -
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If you expect that then you have little to no experience of an eve warzone condition.
Maybe if u stay in empire u won't get hurt.
She has no experience of a warzone at all.
She will also now stay in empire and "they" will be forced to come collect their T2 goodies - or not get them.
That is a simple consequence of such actions.
(I also believe her post falls into the catagory of "ironic humour", i doubt she classes the loss of a free shuttle or a free clone as "harm". Nice anti-carebear whine though Necrona, shame it was uselessly placed and utterly irrelevant. )
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:31:00 -
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Ok, let me explain to you in my official capacity as a representative from the Fountain Alliance.
Your corporation contacted Xanadu no more than 3 days ago to negotiate a passport, this was denied due to Fountain currently being a war-zone and we dont want any inocent bloodshed when we can avoid it. Everyone who isnt a member of FA (Or napped, or officialy declared friends of Fountain) is targeted within Fountain and destroyed, you were denied entrance, therefore you were destroyed.
Regards
Erm... no.
This has nothing at al whatsoever to do with BBBB at the corporate level. This was a private deal between mikka and a private seller from the FA. He asked her to collect from within FOuntain and gave the system and no further information. She naively went to do it.
I spoke to one of your directors today about an entirely different matter; one that wasn't to do with getting a "passport" either but which he seemed incapable of getting beyond the point of..
Let me repeat:
I, and therefore BBBB, dont give a monkies about the loss of a shuttle and a basic clone... I do think its odd FA members want goods to be collected though when they dont warn people they will be podded on site when they come to collect them.
Either way - we didnt suffer any loss here... indeed it appears that the entire deal with the FA was nefarious in the first place (or just plain dumb on both sides).
Frankly i cant be bothered with it anymore. That you seem to think it has anything to do with my conversation with Xanadu today though is.. well.. thats just plain odd.
Too much Frentix i think.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:35:00 -
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If this had happend in curse FA and friends would jump all over this calling us pirats... you got to love the irony 
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FunGuy
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Posted - 2004.02.01 21:52:00 -
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I'm sorry about what happened to Mikka, because of the situation in fountain pilots are shooting at anything that moves. The corp you are dealing with should have informed you of the situation and should definatly have not invited you here since anything non friendly is considered hostile.
Did you get in contact with anyone from xan, I know you were looking but we were in the middle of a general meeting at the time.
If you wish to discuss this further in private you can contact me on IRC (#xanadu on stratics or irc.xanaducorp.net) or ingame channel Xanadu.
FunGuy
Proud to be Xanadu
Xanadu T2 BP's
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.01 22:29:00 -
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The matter is resolved without undue harm thanks FunGuy.
Mikka has been appraised of the current difficulties facing the FA and other than a borken nail its no issue.
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Ranya
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Posted - 2004.02.01 22:56:00 -
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This one time, at a battlefield, I was KILLED OMG!
Get yourself an intelligence implant. |
Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.01 23:05:00 -
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This one time, at a battlefield, I was KILLED OMG!
Look Pa! Its a talking ALT!
(We sell wit implants that can help your condition btw... it still wont make you funny, but you will be closer.)
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.01 23:52:00 -
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.02.02 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 02/02/2004 00:42:58
Well on the one hand there hasnt been that much noise on the forums about the FE vs FA conflict on the boards because both sides have mostly kept off the forums with smacktalk, and fought it out ingame, but it was still a situation the public was aware of. Its a pity that Mikka's partner did not arrange a meeting place better than a wild warzone, and that Mikka flew up here without first making sure in the ingame channel named "Fountain" that the defense forces were informed of her arrival.
Fact is that two sides are fighting it out in Fountain at the moment, both of which number 15+ corporations, and that shuttles are very quick and can both warp away and get out of scramble range rather quickly. If every single shuttle with an unidentified tag was to be checked for corporation, allegiance and reason of being in a declared war zone a lot of enemies would slip through on both sides.
In conclusion I would have thought better of a BBBB pilot than for him to first venture into a warzone in a shuttle and especially to then go to the forums to make an unwarranted and senseless post about it on. So although I regret this incident happened, I can only say that hopefully both the FA member and the pilot have learned that warzones dont make good trading zones so that we can all come out better because of it :)
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.02 01:13:00 -
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(I also believe her post falls into the catagory of "ironic humour", i doubt she classes the loss of a free shuttle or a free clone as "harm". Nice anti-carebear whine though Necrona, shame it was uselessly placed and utterly irrelevant. )
Yes there was humour there but there was also a lot of resentment. The fact you need to make a post about losing your shuttle in an area controlled by an alliance can only suggest its not all that serious.
But i was simply pointing out that if ur in a warzone, u see a ship warp in, and u do not recongise the tag (i.e no nap no alliance status) you shoot.
Chances are they could be a spy.
Reverend Necrona |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.02 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Temujin Destovai on 02/02/2004 00:42:58
Well on the one hand there hasnt been that much noise on the forums about the FE vs FA conflict on the boards because both sides have mostly kept off the forums with smacktalk, and fought it out ingame, but it was still a situation the public was aware of. Its a pity that Mikka's partner did not arrange a meeting place better than a wild warzone, and that Mikka flew up here without first making sure in the ingame channel named "Fountain" that the defense forces were informed of her arrival.
Fact is that two sides are fighting it out in Fountain at the moment, both of which number 15+ corporations, and that shuttles are very quick and can both warp away and get out of scramble range rather quickly. If every single shuttle with an unidentified tag was to be checked for corporation, allegiance and reason of being in a declared war zone a lot of enemies would slip through on both sides.
In conclusion I would have thought better of a BBBB pilot than for him to first venture into a warzone in a shuttle and especially to then go to the forums to make an unwarranted and senseless post about it on. So although I regret this incident happened, I can only say that hopefully both the FA member and the pilot have learned that warzones dont make good trading zones so that we can all come out better because of it :)
If CA did I guarentee you'd be here preaching about our piracy, and blah blah blah.
Just for you .
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.02.02 08:22:00 -
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One thing no one has mentioned, and which baffles me is...
Mikka was shot on by several Battleships...
The time for a battleship (in general) to lock on to a shuttle is eons...
How she managed to not warp away in time amazes me...
*shrug*
Everything else seems to have been covered already, so I'll refrain from commenting.
BIG Lottery
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.02 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 02/02/2004 08:31:56
I think the amazing thing here is that FIVE ships managed to hit the shuttle before it popped.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.02 09:37:00 -
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Quote:
One thing no one has mentioned, and which baffles me is...
Mikka was shot on by several Battleships...
The time for a battleship (in general) to lock on to a shuttle is eons...
How she managed to not warp away in time amazes me...
*shrug*
Everything else seems to have been covered already, so I'll refrain from commenting.
hmm i see u arent a pvper-then u wound know that a bs that was blockade (gate camping) can with the right mods lock a shutle in 3secs
Also the ironic part of this posts is that it shows the diference between pirates and alliances-there is non, its just that U wont be surprised when u get killed by pirates-because they dont hide behind the (this is a warzone)when we gank u
Help keep carebear population under control!!!!POD U LATER
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2004.02.02 09:48:00 -
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Quote:
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One thing no one has mentioned, and which baffles me is...
Mikka was shot on by several Battleships...
The time for a battleship (in general) to lock on to a shuttle is eons...
How she managed to not warp away in time amazes me...
*shrug*
Everything else seems to have been covered already, so I'll refrain from commenting.
hmm i see u arent a pvper-then u wound know that a bs that was blockade (gate camping) can with the right mods lock a shutle in 3secs
Also the ironic part of this posts is that it shows the diference between pirates and alliances-there is non, its just that U wont be surprised when u get killed by pirates-because they dont hide behind the (this is a warzone)when we gank u
Help keep carebear population under control!!!!POD U LATER
Seems you missed my "(in general)" clause.
I've highlighted it for you.
No way all of those bships had mods on to get a 3 sec lock.
So I'm still baffled.
BIG Lottery
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.02.02 17:15:00 -
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While the situation is very regrettable it could have been easily avoided.
If you had advised the people you were dealing with that you were entering into the system, they would have gotten together with the patrol commander to let you through unharmed.
It just takes way too long to lock up a shuttle, and reliably kill it. We cannot just whip up your corp info, and assume that 10 other people will react the same way.
FA has been under martial law for a month now, and we have to have strict controls on who enters and who leaves due to the fact that we do not want any materials the enemy could use.
Sorry this happened, but I think it could have been avoided.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.02 17:24:00 -
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FA has been under martial law for a month now, and we have to have strict controls on who enters and who leaves due to the fact that we do not want any materials the enemy could use.
Not starting a flame war or some silly thing like that here but.
Control in fountain is devided between FA and FE depending on what tyme of day it is, i.e. who has more pilots logged on.
So if FE were to bring something in that fits in a shuttle they would, a) use a frigate with mwd or two, b) do it when they control the region.
If it was a spy what would he be going in a shuttle knowing he might die, ofc a spy uses frigate with mwd or just a noob ship.
But I understand why you killed her.
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Rod Blaine
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/02/2004 17:28:19
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Edited by: pooti on 02/02/2004 08:31:56
I think the amazing thing here is that FIVE ships managed to hit the shuttle before it popped.
rofl, so true
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Dirus
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Posted - 2004.02.02 20:03:00 -
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Q: Why did they kill you?
A: Because they can.
It's as simple as that.
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Everyone deserves to die.
You go first.
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DeepThought
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Posted - 2004.02.02 20:13:00 -
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LOL. A corpmate of mine just told me this was here, and since I was listed as an "involved party" I thought I'd make another useless statement ;-)
You were told not to come into fountain. You did anyway. You weren't particularly smart about how you did it. You died. End of story. Bummer for you.
If you and your corpmates, 1337 traders though you are, would like some tips on getting into and out of hostile space, I'd be happy to oblige. Until then, thanks for the laugh, and I'll see you in fountain!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.02 20:17:00 -
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"Q: Why did they kill you?
A: Because they can.
It's as simple as that."
... They can also not kill. So your simple answer isn't.
(leaving aside all arguments about spies, war zones etc. relevant to 'tis particular case)
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Mikka Mackern
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Posted - 2004.02.02 21:23:00 -
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LOL. *snip*
--DT
I went back the next day and tied up the deal.
Turns out the guy wasnt FA but a freelancer operating in FA space.
My bad. 
This time nobody noticed me go in or out...so...
I won't be needing the lessons. Thanks for the offer though. 
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PaginaBlanca
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Posted - 2004.02.02 23:38:00 -
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Mikka,
I agree with what you are trying to say here. Unfortunately, there are alot of people in this game that have this problem.
While you may have been in a bad area of town, your point is justified. Given the forces that were obviously on hand at the time, I would assume that they would have PLENTY of time and security to warp scramble you, webify, whatever...so that they could take the agonizing 2 seconds to pull up your corp info. This seems to be way too difficult a concept for many. Many in this game quite literally spend all their time at gates ganking. They play a "twitch" game for the most part. The concept of opening a communications channel with the other ship is completely foreign to this type player. And tieing into this practice would be something called honour and respect. I have met a few people in the game who display these qualities...but as in real life I suppose...they are far and few between. As the case seems to be, you would be lucky to get a simple appology out of some of the creatures in this game, even if they were affiliated with your very own alliance.
Being nice for the sake of being nice.....hrmmm.
But I digress...indeed, maybe your shuttle DID scare them, which is why they freaked out and unleashed such fury upon you. At least you only lost your shuttle. That's a good thing I guess. And the fact that you were able to add to your address book.
Sincerely,
MrBinary
OK, I know this thread is pretty much over, but this post just made me feel all warm and fuzzy. It should have had "Coke Alert" in the subject. You should do stand-up with this stuff. Scramble and web a target so you can talk? LMFAO!!! Honor and respect? Open a communications channel? Heh, back to the Star Trek conventions Spock! If you don't want to die, then don't go into 0.0. I don't care if it's FA,CA,NVA,FBI,IRS, or DEA.
I'm going to have to visit these forums more often. This stuff is priceless. I need to figure out a way to sell clues |
Plasmatique
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Posted - 2004.02.02 23:43:00 -
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*snip... Turns out the guy wasnt FA but a freelancer operating in FA space.
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Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:02:00 -
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*snip... Turns out the guy wasnt FA but a freelancer operating in FA space.
She has been spanked and given a darn fine seeing too over this entire affair fwiw.
(she's new what can i say)
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2004.02.03 05:10:00 -
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0.0 is where big boys play, please go home to empire
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