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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:23:00 -
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What a stupid idea. Why don't you suggest that the FCs play tic tac toe in local instead of fighting ... even less lag.
"The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:29:00 -
[32]
Yeah I agree with the M.Pire guy, I remember when I were still in D2 and we were defending C4C and L-C we had even bigger numbers and we just got a few minutes module lag depending on the grid activity.
But this Desync "feature" it never used to be that bad. 
 Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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senior spielbergo
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:29:00 -
[33]
Clearly the answer is duel by hungry hungry hippos.
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:30:00 -
[34]
Well it might work. Until ccp upgrade the servers again and we'll need to drop to 20 per side. 
A-WAR might be Recruiting!
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Centauris
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:32:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Hastrabull
Guys,
From S-K for example we know that its not possible to make 100vs100 fights. We all know that it makes more bad then good. no fun at all.
So i have proposition. We all want to have fun, so lets make a non writen rule between alliances, that they wont bring fleets bigger then lets say 50 ships.
I know that even with those numbers, lag and desyncs happens, but probably less then if you have 300 people shooting (or trying to shoot at eachother).
Im assuming, its utopia, but still. We all want to have fun.
CCP wont fix it or cant fix their game so if we want to play, lets enforce our own rules. Otherwise we can all just log off and nvr come back ;/
Bringing hundreeds of ships on battlefield makes completely no sense atm.
How to enforce it? There is no way to enforce it. Only proposition i have is FC's to talk with eachother and decide if they want lagfest or fun time killing eachother with less lag.
Flame away. im just trying to help.
lol and ill take my carrier to Delve and ask the locals to "not shoot me". 
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Jerai Timelsin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:39:00 -
[36]
Lag and desync make the baby Jesus cry 
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:39:00 -
[37]
Anyone that thinks CCP isn't taking this issue seriously is flat-out dumb. In the last month, they've:
1. Admitted desyncs/lag were a 'major problem'.
2. Replaced all of their database hardware (mega $$$).
3. Updated to Python 2.5.1, worked on a fix, with many other code changes aimed at reducing lag.
4. Run many stress-tests to figure out what causes a desync.
And even after all that CCP admits there is still a lot of work to be done. We'll probably see a complete client overhaul in Rev 3.0 as well with the new Trinity engine.
Lag is a part of every game and the larger the scale the greater the lag. Today was the first time I had actually had a proper desync since 2.1.1, and this is after fighting in many, many large battles.
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Lem2J
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:41:00 -
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Whats all the flaming about, the Op makes a very good point.. The method may not be the best, put the point is valid..
Capitals and Pos's make for big fleets.. The servers are degrading.. The last few battles have been silly... I've sat there with
a.) No-one to shoot, with 150 people jumped in.
b.) Grid slowly loading, but im unable to lock anyone for the entire time
c.) Gates, stations, objects all vanishing
d.) Lots of random warps
e.) Desynch's
I remember being able to fight 100 v 100, 150 v 150.. Lag is expected, but the issue has now blown up more than ever.. Fights are not down to skill on the battlefield as much.. Lag control and luck play a bigger part more than ever before.
Maybe an agreement on an end to POS war for the moment, until CCP discovers the issues and resolves them.. Just an idea thats worth considering..
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:43:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Lem2J
Maybe an agreement on an end to POS war for the moment, until CCP discovers the issues and resolves them.. Just an idea thats worth considering..
Like hell.
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:44:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Velios
My problem is that in the past this de-synch thing that CCP completely deny the existence of NEVER used to happen. Something has changed in the last major patch that completely ruined the game.
When I was in LV / CA / FIVE we had HUGE battles, sure there was LAG, but never a complete mass de-synch experienced by 90% of the players involved. CCP you HAVE to fix this and do it quickly - people are starting to leave the game because of it.
Breaking news at 1: The pope is catholic!!! This hasn't been a problem before jesus was born...
And just at CCP denying the existance of desynch issues.
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Cvuos
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:45:00 -
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Unless CCP invents magic internets, this is the way it is going to be. I was flying around solo the other day and was amazed to see stargates appear with no freezing. Then I remembered the engine is actually designed that way and grids are supposed to appear seamlessly. What a great idea! I never get a good break in superlag. I sync out first, I log back in last. I HATE it. Anyway, if CCP would give 100% of their resources to give a smoother ride for the alliance wars they are fighting an uphill battle. If 200 v 200 battles become smooth, we will be whining about how 400 v 400 are unplayabale. If they increase our headroom, we will fill it quickly. And while they would keep banging their heads to satisfy alliance warfare players, they would be ignoring the VAST MAJORITY of players who are sandboxing around in Empire demanding new content.
Sure they try what they can but there is a limifffffff JUST STOP WHINING AND EITHER ENDURE THE LAG OR GO GATECAMPING IN 0.3 IS WHAT I AM SAYING HERE
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Yuki Nagato
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:47:00 -
[42]
Originally by: End Yourself
And just at CCP denying the existance of desynch issues.
Are you blind or just stupid?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542
Stickied in the development forum, by the way.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:51:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Lazuran on 09/08/2007 11:51:22
Originally by: Cvuos
Unless CCP invents magic internets, this is the way it is going to be.
The Internet is a hell of a lot better now than in 2003, when large battles weren't such a problem.
It's amazing how much in denial fanbois can be.
"The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana |
BuIIseye
Amarr
Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:55:00 -
[44]
Don't worrie guys, when you will be able to walk inside stations, you will forget all about lag and desync
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Yes i am hax0r
Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/ |
Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:55:00 -
[45]
Last time we had a semi-arranged fight, i.e. people asking us to engage because we had fairly equal numbers etc. we came in to fight and the first thing the did was open a cyno and drop 3 carriers onto us.
The problem is though that these days most fights relate to sov battles which mean capitals and POS which means enormous blob warfare. It cannot be avoided.
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End Yourself
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: End Yourself
And just at CCP denying the existance of desynch issues.
Are you blind or just stupid?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542
Stickied in the development forum, by the way.
Velios - the bear in charge of M.PIRE alliance - claimed CCP is denying desynch problems and i tend to laugh at delusional "leaders". 
Originally by: Velios
My problem is that in the past this de-synch thing that CCP completely deny the existence of NEVER used to happen. Something has changed in the last major patch that completely ruined the game.
But i will edit my post and add "the claim of" especially for you Yuki! 
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Lord Pinky
Caldari
FireStar Inc
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:59:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Velios
I will PMSL when the alliance tourney suffers a de-sync and it is captured on eve-tv for everyone to witness.
I hope this actually DOES happen because maybe then something will get done.
CCP we love this game, please fix it.
It IS getting worse with every addition you make to the content. I know the content devs work on different code from the overworked bug fixing devs but something has to be done or the game is going to die simply because everyone gets fed up and quits.
Please, call a stop to the new content and fix what we have now. We would much rather have a game that works than a game that looks shiny that we cant actually do anything with. The game we have all come trough playing for the past 3 or 4 years and have gotten hopelesly addicted to didnt have any of this shiny stuff originally and yet here we are, still paying and playing.
Do we really need all this new shiny stuff or is the game we have now what we want? (apart from the major gamebreaking problems obviously)
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Factor Benz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:59:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Factor Benz on 09/08/2007 12:00:24
*NEWSFLASH* Incompetents get smoked in pvp. Blame everything but themselves. History repeats itself. More at 11.
In all seriousness this suggestion is comical at best. Nobody's going to abide by any self-imposed limitations. You guys can make 100 more threads on the exact same topic and it will never happen.
Desynchs suck. They will happen until they get fixed. We've lost entire fleets to them. We deal with it instead of running to CAOD when we lose. Welcome to Eve.
Oh hey 5 carriers... there's the reason for the thread?
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Cvuos
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lazuran
The Internet is a hell of a lot better now than in 2003, when large battles weren't such a problem.
Tell us about the time the server had a 5000 user record grandpa.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:00:00 -
[50]
Originally by: EvilPhog
50 shuttles each start in the middle of a large POS. The aim is to bump the hostile shuttles out of the arena. We have a sniper fleet around the bubble that pop any shuttles that leave.
Winner keeps the POS.
Win
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Gunship
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:07:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Gunship on 09/08/2007 12:09:24
This is a bit of the wall, but I wonder if together we could make it happen:
Problem: Desync, in 50v50 and bigger battles (yes a battle just outside of IMK had that very problem), the 200v350 last night was just asking for trouble tbh.
Suggestion:
I'll convo MM/razor and see if we could make a "test server" battle.
In CA (the old one), many moons ago we arranged a "test server" battle in U-Q with CA comming from gate, SA from another and everyone else from the last gate.
(a few devs turned up in titans (not really in game) and hit us with the tomb "nerf batt" for 6000 dmg.
one thing is to attack a POS as they are do testing on, another is a big fleet fight. Personaly I love eve for a good fleet fight (POSes is not really my thing... he says after doing 6 monday night in S-E  ) but really I like the fun ones = the lag/desync free once.
I'm sure we could arrange a 100v100 or bigger on the test server if we put our minds to it. So MM/razor if your game?, lets talk 
Fleet fights are the bread and butter in eve, lets help ourself by giving the devs the logs they need.
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Hastrabull
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:18:00 -
[52]
Great Initiative Gunship, thanks :)
So guys, maybe we could do something to help fixing this game? We all love it dont we? :)
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iCerberus
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:30:00 -
[53]
Nice one Gunship..
/me signs up for testing and packs 10 boxes for the desync hamsters
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Director Stoned
Band of Developers
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:34:00 -
[54]
It's time CCP gets off thier butt and spit the server into two worlds, hell they can give bob and pets the old one
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Armois Delgato
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:47:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Armois Delgato on 09/08/2007 12:49:03
Nope. This won't work. If you want desync fixed you'll have to pester CCP until they decide it is worth their time. EVE is a game of epic scale- you can't limit epic scale by keeping willing participants out of fights.
I do like gunny's idea though, hahaha. That could be a hoot if both of us tried to test the lagbooster 3000 and see what the Sisi dev types would say about it.
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Chukk Solo
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:51:00 -
[56]
Well, when I thought I was having a desync issue, the GM's have assured me there is no lag, and desync does not exist.
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Mundem Pashdale
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.09 13:44:00 -
[57]
Same thing happend to me! Apparently all the lag in this game is in my head, even when nods crash
I respect CCP is trying to do something about it, but the copy/paste responses to petitions is begining to realy frustrate myself and many of those I fly with
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borup
New Balkan Mafia
Circle 0f Two
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:03:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Centauris
lol and ill take my carrier to Delve and ask the locals to "not shoot me".
actually its very difficult to find ppl in delve, so that might work 
@ OP:
i cant get in game atm to see your start date but seriously didnt you get used to it?
i find it annoying too but only for first couple minutes after loosing ship or missing fight cause of it
fortuna favours the brave
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Levka
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:59:00 -
[59]
I love EVE.
I think it offers more to a gamer then any other MMO on the market. But what other game requires you to do this to even have a chance to have decent gameplay.
1. Turn off SOUND
2. Zoom all the way out to increase framerate. (I had a friend of mine ask me to show him a screenshot from EVE and i send him one from our fleet battle. He laughed cause all he saw is bunch of purple/red squares. Good thing we have all those nice textures to the ships)
3. Turn of Z-buffer (who cares if your small squares loko flatter )
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Pariah Eutrophius
Gallente
Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.08.09 15:08:00 -
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It angers me greatly when people make whinning posts about a well known issue and then start demanding ccp fix it.
THEY ARE, they are trying there best and investing lots of $$$ to try and make it happen, but things dont happen overnite.
and its a no win anyway they fix 100v100 battles then there will be 200v200 battles lagging out and so on.
If you dont like the lag, dont shoot our ****in poses and we wont have to blob you
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