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CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:16:00 - [1] Who are we today? Wherever we came from is long forgotten save for some arcane documents. Is there a guiding force that created this wormhole only to study our race? Perhaps another form of creature. Maybe the deities so many worship. The gate has brought humanity to where it does not exist. Depending on your beliefs all these possibilities come to the same final conclusion. One: the gate has brought people back through time. The wormhole is a path from our reality back to itself in another state in the 4th dimension to travel back through time. It is many billions of years back where our solar system might not even exist. This helps explain why the wormhole collapsed with such a large force. It is definitely not normal to see your own birth or especially the birth of your galaxy. Two: the gate has brought people forward through time. The wormhole is a doorway to the future. The amount of time is irrelevant. The large explosion of the wormhole is a result of the total destruction that has managed to destroy all the humanity from where we came leaving no trace. The blast was so powerful, so destructive that it created a force more powerful than what created the wormhole. Who or what engaged it? Was it man or something else? A battle of the gods? Three: the gate brought us to a reality where humans don't ever exist anywhere in the universe because there is no Earth. So even if there was a way to move infinite distances at will we would never find our ancestors. This explains the large force experienced from the wormhole collapse even more because of the magnitude of the effect humans exert on their surroundings over time. Four: the gate has brought us through the wormhole to a universe with different laws of physics altogether. This is ultimately where Humans just can not have existed because earth can not exist the same way no matter what. The changes are small and in the rush of the initial colonization of this space they were not noticed. When the wormhole collapsed the possibility of realizing this has vanished. The specific laws that are different include how gravity works not necessarily changing how one would weigh on a similar planet as earth but how space flight occurs. The way waves and subatomic particles travel through space is also different allowing for FTL warp and communication. It is the best explanation for the large wormhole collapse because the two universes it connects are not compatible. The conclusion is that we will never meet the civilization of our ancestors lest we find a similar wormhole that connects us to them. When we do we can never be sure that it is them if possibilities one and two are experienced. The fact is that a completely alien civilization that instead of machinery has evolved physically or mentally well beyond any of our counterparts is much more likely to come in contact with us. After many more thousands of years we will begin settling new galaxies and achieving higher levels of technology. Achievements that could never be fathomed on earth incomprehensible distances of space and time away. Humanity is a parasite. Destruction and the study of it results in advances in all the other fields. We will survive.
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:22:00 - [2] Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that.
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that. So you agree with two?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:59:00 - [4] I guess I must've missed all this in the PF. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:02:00 - [5] Originally by: CaldariAdam Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that. So you agree with two? Nope. As I said: I don't see why the 4th dimension has to be involved.
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Originally by: CaldariAdam So you agree with two? Nope. As I said: I don't see why the 4th dimension has to be involved. It doesn't thats why the amount of time is irrelevant. It can be 0.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:18:00 - [7] Well, my history teach back in the academy said it best. "Sit up straight and stop shooting the deckcrew with the beam rifle Jones!" No wait... "EVE gate was like a big, out of this world huge, door. We stepped in and as a huge cosmic prank, it was slammed shut." So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Sunabi Caldari Defiance Corp	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Well, my history teach back in the academy said it best. "Sit up straight and stop shooting the deckcrew with the beam rifle Jones!" No wait... "EVE gate was like a big, out of this world huge, door. We stepped in and as a huge cosmic prank, it was slammed shut." Everything you post makes me smile
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:01:00 - [9] Originally by: CaldariAdam Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that. So you agree with two? All of your options are possibly a bit more complicated. Why can't it just be a different galaxy in the universe from the one in which we originated? There is no need to talk about time travel or universes with different physics (which, by the way, we would not be capable of surviving in). Same universe, same time, different galaxy. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Anferney Originally by: CaldariAdam Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that. So you agree with two? All of your options are possibly a bit more complicated. Why can't it just be a different galaxy in the universe from the one in which we originated? There is no need to talk about time travel or universes with different physics (which, by the way, we would not be capable of surviving in). Same universe, same time, different galaxy. I have answered Ladyah several times about this. Two is what you want because it encompasses the idea that there is a time change of 0.
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:17:00 - [11] Originally by: CaldariAdam Originally by: Anferney Originally by: CaldariAdam Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Or fifth: it brought humans to just SSDG ... same sh it, differnt galaxy. No need to bother 4th dimension for that. So you agree with two? All of your options are possibly a bit more complicated. Why can't it just be a different galaxy in the universe from the one in which we originated? There is no need to talk about time travel or universes with different physics (which, by the way, we would not be capable of surviving in). Same universe, same time, different galaxy. I have answered Ladyah several times about this. Two is what you want because it encompasses the idea that there is a time change of 0. That does not really work because, well, wouldn't everyone die upon arrival from a large explosion that wiped the humans from the galaxy? Or wouldn't they notice that the people that went through the wormhole are just coming out back out? Your point 2 and its supporting arguments require that it be the same galaxy in a different time. This is because you are stating that the explosion had to kill all of the people where we came from. Unless it is the same galaxy, what does it matter if the wormhole destroyed all the people or not? If anything, what was being suggested is closer to point 3 only replace alternate reality/universe where humans didn't develop with a different galaxy where humans didn't develop. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:37:00 - [12] Edited by: CaldariAdam on 09/08/2007 14:37:40 Originally by: Anferney That does not really work because, well, wouldn't everyone die upon arrival from a large explosion that wiped the humans from the galaxy? Or wouldn't they notice that the people that went through the wormhole are just coming out back out? Your point 2 and its supporting arguments require that it be the same galaxy in a different time. This is because you are stating that the explosion had to kill all of the people where we came from. Unless it is the same galaxy, what does it matter if the wormhole destroyed all the people or not? If anything, what was being suggested is closer to point 3 only replace alternate reality/universe where humans didn't develop with a different galaxy where humans didn't develop. Now you are putting words in my mouth. I did not state it was the same galaxy. I did not state that it was not either, my mistake that is what is meant. And yes you are choosing two because three suggest an entirely different universe. I am not sure about your second question but the answer to your last is because that is what leads to my conclusion and how isolated we really are without our ancestors.
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 09/08/2007 16:39:24 this Originally by: CaldariAdam Four: the gate has brought us through the wormhole to a universe with different laws of physics altogether. must be it i can prove it with several ingame facts Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:43:00 - [14] Do we have serious proof the Earth even existed in the first place? I know that at the eve gate there is some kind of anomaly, but how much evidence is there that it was ever a wormhole? I'm a little more inclined to believe that the story of Earth and the EVE Wormhole is just a fairytale, to be honest. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 09/08/2007 16:39:24 this Originally by: CaldariAdam Four: the gate has brought us through the wormhole to a universe with different laws of physics altogether. must be it i can prove it with several ingame facts Hehe yeah, it's the only RP explanation to why space flight is like this. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:58:00 - [16] Screw that, what I want to know is how did the echo systems on the habitable planets evolve so damn fast, did anyone see a beareded weirdo on their journeys waiving a wand of sorts? Also Known As
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Tarminic Do we have serious proof the Earth even existed in the first place? I know that at the eve gate there is some kind of anomaly, but how much evidence is there that it was ever a wormhole? I'm a little more inclined to believe that the story of Earth and the EVE Wormhole is just a fairytale, to be honest. http://www.mmo-gamer.com/?p=173 "We also have space itself to work with through outwards expansion. Space is endless and we still donæt know whatæs out there, whatæs on the other side of the EVE gate nor what happened to Earth and itæs civilization." I think it's been taken over by apes :) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Wallimiyama Minmatar Wallicorp	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:09:00 - [18] Damned, Dirty, Apes! -Are we havin' fun yet?
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:24:00 - [19] And what's more those apes are doing a much better job on Earth then Humans ever did perhaps. I bet they would put the Jove to Shame. Humans, the only gits silly enough to kill each other over something they make up that really has no 'value' except in thier own eyes, money. If not apes, perhaps the dolphins and whales decided to give it a go eh. Now there's some smart creatures with IQ's higher then your average Human.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/08/2007 18:28:13 Originally by: Dau Imperius Humans, the only gits silly enough to kill each other over something they make up that really has no 'value' except in thier own eyes, money. This is why the aliens will never land. Im pretty sure humans star as morons in the intergalactic sitcoms. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:43:00 - [21] "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. " Mr. Adams wins the thread imo The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Pottsey on 09/08/2007 18:47:09 "The conclusion is that we will never meet the civilization of our ancestors lest we find a similar wormhole that connects us to them." I dont come to the same conclusion. There are strong hints in the back story that humans from the other side of the Eve gate are around in our space as puppet masters running things in the background. Its clear there is a race(s) out there far in advance of the Jove. Passive shield tanking guide click here
CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 18:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 09/08/2007 18:47:09 "The conclusion is that we will never meet the civilization of our ancestors lest we find a similar wormhole that connects us to them." I dont come to the same conclusion. There are strong hints in the back story that humans from the other side of the Eve gate are around in our space as puppet masters running things in the background. Its clear there is a race(s) out there far in advance of the Jove. How clear? Post links if there is indisputable evidence for your opinion.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.08.09 19:52:00 - [24] Edited by: Sharupak on 09/08/2007 19:53:53 4 would also explain why ships in eve are subject to torturous wind forces when entering warp and why I can hear my guns *****. <---- Ummm hello facist net nannys...this word is C-R-A-C-K... I dont think 13 year olds are going to go hump sheep over that word. 5 could be that two similar membranes collided together to create a wormhole between each. When they drifted apart, the wormhole collapsed. This would mean that meeting out ancestors is possible but dont spend a buck on that lottery because only a grandkid 300 googleplex down the line would be able to cash it in. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Sheriff Jones "EVE gate was like a big, out of this world huge, door. We stepped in and as a huge cosmic prank, it was slammed shut." That is probably the closest of all the explanations in this thread to 'actual events'. It has been a while since I skimmed it, but the EVE Prime Fiction 'bible' traces a time line from roughly 20 years in our future all the way to the opening of Tranquility. In short, same universe, thousands of years in the future and miniscule chance of a return to Earth. There was one event where a fluke wormhole connected present with future, but the event did not last long enough to establish a connection. Quafe officials are rumored to still be searching for their lost shipment. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait...

CaldariAdam	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:28:00 - [26] Edited by: CaldariAdam on 09/08/2007 20:29:10 Originally by: CCP kieron the EVE Prime Fiction 'bible' traces a time line from roughly 20 years in our future all the way to the opening of Tranquility. In short, same universe, thousands of years in the future and miniscule chance of a return to Earth. Thousands of years in the future as we live in EVE now compared to earth in the 21st century. This still leaves room for possibilities for EVE to exist in the same galaxy in a different time or a different galaxy in the same or different time. And it definitely leaves for many possibilities to explain the simultaneous collapse and bang!
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:30:00 - [27] How clear? Post links if there is indisputable evidence for your opinion. Theodicy http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf 100% sure there is a race more advanced then the Jove. Not 100% they are humans from the other side of the Eve gate. The Enheduanni race used to be Human and are far in advance of the Jove. They play puppet masters and work behind the scenes influencing people of power. They even influence and trick the Jove in doing things. Only the Jove and high ranking government staff and a small number of pod pilots are aware of the Enheduanni race. Its not that clear who the race really are but for them to be that far in advance over the Jove and being masters of genetic engineering enough to unlock the precise workings of the human brain its clear they are older then the Jove. Other info on the race is they have obsolete mastery of quantum physics and particle science far beyond the Jove understanding. They donÆt use jump drives or gates to move around but non-linear teleportation. The most likely conclusion I can come to is they used to humans from the other side of the eve gate who have evolved/genetic engineering to a state thatÆs not classed as human by current Eve human standards. I suppose to them they are Human and the Eve humans are primitive lesser evolved humans. I have two theories. The first one is they are humans that found us and humans on the other side of the Eve gate. They where not knocked back into the dark ages, so could advance far past out current level. 2nd they come though the Eve gate like everyone else but where based further away then the Jove from the gate and had 100% self sustaining colonys unlike eveyone else who still needed supplys from the eve gate. When the Eve gate blow it took out the closer civilisations like the Gallente/Caldari. Jove being further away where hit less and the Enheduanni being furthest away where not hit at all. The only problem with this theory is by now we should have found there planets.Pretty sure the back-story says Jove where further away from the Eve gate so where hit less hard when it collapsed and they had better self sustaining colonys. The other problem with idea 2 is if the Enheduanni where not effected by the Eve gate why didnÆt they conquer or help the closer civilisations margining them into there own empire. Lots of back stories donÆt mention the Enheduanni but do talk/act like thereÆs someone/thing playing puppet master in the background. ôDo we have serious proof the Earth even existed in the first place?ö Not anymore. The Sisters of Eve have all the evidence facts. Mostly its old stories/legends from the past. Its been proven we all come from the same place and the Sisters of Eve think that place is Earth. Most of the Eve population think Earth is legend or Childs story. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:33:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Sheriff Jones "EVE gate was like a big, out of this world huge, door. We stepped in and as a huge cosmic prank, it was slammed shut." That is probably the closest of all the explanations in this thread to 'actual events'. I'm so proud and happy that i could burst like a warp bubble! A official person said i was right So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Pottsey How clear? Post links if there is indisputable evidence for your opinion. Theodicy http://www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf 100% sure there is a race more advanced then the Jove. Not 100% they are humans from the other side of the Eve gate. It does mention that they knew about life before the move to New Eden. However, with the amount of information, it is hard to say 100% that they are their own race, and didn't splinter from something (like the Jove). The way the Jove spoke about The Order made it seem like (at least to me), that it was a small group, but that has so much more power and knowledge that they are literally the enemies of a whole empire. But then again, this is really the only direct knoweldge of the Order we have. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
NereSky Gallente Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.09 20:40:00 - [30] Edited by: NereSky on 09/08/2007 20:40:21 Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Sheriff Jones "EVE gate was like a big, out of this world huge, door. We stepped in and as a huge cosmic prank, it was slammed shut." That is probably the closest of all the explanations in this thread to 'actual events'. It has been a while since I skimmed it, but the EVE Prime Fiction 'bible' traces a time line from roughly 20 years in our future all the way to the opening of Tranquility. In short, same universe, thousands of years in the future and miniscule chance of a return to Earth. There was one event where a fluke wormhole connected present with future, but the event did not last long enough to establish a connection. Quafe officials are rumored to still be searching for their lost shipment. Nice post Kieron , now how about you check your mail box please

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