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Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:50:00 - [1] Yeah boost the Scorpion damnit! And I dont mean in terms of dps, its an EW platform so it shouldnt bbq people. I mean in terms of sensor strength and ecm strength. Its a shame that a ship thats supposed to be the most technological advanced ship in the universe can be rendered useless by a miningbarge with damps. Boost the scorpion! Boooooooooooooooost! <3 Caldari and proud
Dark Flyer Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:55:00 - [2] Scorpion is fine the way it is, and the idea is to jam your targets, before they can use any EW on you.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Dark Flyer Scorpion is fine the way it is, and the idea is to jam your targets, before they can use any EW on you. Really? Caldari and proud
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 20:42:00 - [4] Bump Boooooost! Caldari and proud
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.11 20:53:00 - [5] Fantastic, apparently somone in a mining barge has tricked you, you are whining in forum, but as it is PvP none of the "return to WoW" and "n00b" mob has anything to say?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.11 20:56:00 - [6] thats because death kill is their leader Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Venkul Mul Fantastic, apparently somone in a mining barge has tricked you, you are whining in forum, but as it is PvP none of the "return to WoW" and "n00b" mob has anything to say? No. No one did such a thing, it was an example. You fail miserably at processing data. Caldari and proud
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:09:00 - [8] I rest my case Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I rest my case A battleship thats supposed to be state of the art EW platform can be rendered useless by a t1 frig with damps. You think thats balance then you are a fool. Caldari and proud
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:12:00 - [10] a t1 frig with damps can be rendered useless by t1 drones Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Tortun Nahme a t1 frig with damps can be rendered useless by t1 drones Indeed. But the frig would have locked and damped the scorp before it has released its drones. And correct me if I'm wrong, but a ship must have locked a ship before its drones can attack. Caldari and proud
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Tortun Nahme I rest my case A battleship thats supposed to be state of the art EW platform can be rendered useless by a t1 frig with damps. You think thats balance then you are a fool. Drones? A friend? ------
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Tortun Nahme a t1 frig with damps can be rendered useless by t1 drones Indeed. But the frig would have locked and damped the scorp before it has released its drones. And correct me if I'm wrong, but a ship must have locked a ship before its drones can attack. consider yourself corrected! actually if your drones are deployed and he makes a single agressive action they will eat him alive without you ever having to even notice him Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Tao Han Drones? A friend? Besides the point. Its like having a frig outdamage a turret ship (tempest/thron) and asking the same question. Point is, the Scorp is supposed to be superior at EW with superior sensors and what not. That a t1 frig can damp it into a 10 minute locking time shows that either the Scorpions description is wrong or the ship balance. Caldari and proud
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:27:00 - [15] Edited by: Death Kill on 11/08/2007 21:27:22 Originally by: Tortun Nahme consider yourself corrected! actually if your drones are deployed and he makes a single agressive action they will eat him alive without you ever having to even notice him Ok, did you read what I wrote? edit : I mean, the frig will damp the BS befor eit gets its drones out. Caldari and proud
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:27:00 - [16] or they had a better fit? The scorp has plenty going for it, and the only real advantage the frig has is sig radius Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Death Kill on 11/08/2007 21:29:16 Originally by: Tortun Nahme or they had a better fit? The scorp has plenty going for it, and the only real advantage the frig has is sig radius I see what you mean, but do you see my point at all? The Scorp is supposed to be state of the art EW platform with superior sensors and all of that, hence its crappy DPS. By that description, it seams a bit odd that a frig can render it useless. Caldari and proud
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:31:00 - [18] I think the real issue here is adjusting the sensor dampeners and not boosting a single ship.
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 11/08/2007 21:29:16 Originally by: Tortun Nahme By that description, it seams a bit odd that a frig can render it useless. Same deal with damp frigs and carriers.
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:33:00 - [20] Edited by: Marux on 11/08/2007 21:33:27 Accidental double. snip
Fallen Elite Executive Mindframe Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:33:00 - [21] Actually I agree, it's not right for a frigate to be BETTER at EW than a BS designed for the same purpose, when a frigate uses sensor dampeners they shouldn't have the same affect as when a scorpion uses them, just because it makes scorpions completely useless. Scorps are much slower in speed & locking time, and completely inferior to frigates when it comes to EW with sensor damps. Nerf Frigs or boost the living hell out of scorps. ------
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:35:00 - [22] Edited by: Marux on 11/08/2007 21:35:14 Originally by: Fallen Elite Actually I agree, it's not right for a frigate to be BETTER at EW than a BS designed for the same purpose, when a frigate uses sensor dampeners they shouldn't have the same affect as when a scorpion uses them, just because it makes scorpions completely useless. Scorps are much slower in speed & locking time, and completely inferior to frigates when it comes to EW with sensor damps. Nerf Remote Sensor Dampeners or boost the living hell out of scorps. Fixed that for ya.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:37:00 - [23] If you can't right click "launch drones" before he has you locked down, you suck. It only takes 2 seconds. Have you considered fitting sensor boosters, and closing range a bit? Like the rest of us do, in the rest of EVE's ships, when facing Damp ships? --------
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Marux I think the real issue here is adjusting the sensor dampeners and not boosting a single ship. Plausible. Caldari and proud
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Patch86 If you can't right click "launch drones" before he has you locked down, you suck. It only takes 2 seconds. Ever heard about the 3 second delay when you click launch dones? I think you suck. :) Quote: Have you considered fitting sensor boosters, and closing range a bit? Like the rest of us do, in the rest of EVE's ships, when facing Damp ships? A sensor booster wont make any difference when facing a frig. It will still take forever to lock it after it has locked and dampened you. Closing distance in a Scorpion? LOL Make your comeback when you have actually flied a Scorp. Caldari and proud
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Marux I think the real issue here is adjusting the sensor dampeners and not boosting a single ship. Plausible. But I like sensor dampeners. I'd be interested in seeing some empirical data before we seriously consider nerfing them, and they do already have a stacking penalty. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:53:00 - [27] Edited by: Marux on 11/08/2007 21:54:12 Well if you think about it, you shouldn't be able to lock down a carrier whose pilot has trained for at least a year, with a character that is only 3-4 days old with a little frig. Other forms of EW take into account the difference in ship size, for ECM the larger the ship the more resists you have. All i suggest is that ships be given is resistance to sensor dampening, perhaps even using the ECM resists that are already in place.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.11 21:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Patch86 If you can't right click "launch drones" before he has you locked down, you suck. It only takes 2 seconds. Ever heard about the 3 second delay when you click launch dones? I think you suck. :) Quote: Have you considered fitting sensor boosters, and closing range a bit? Like the rest of us do, in the rest of EVE's ships, when facing Damp ships? A sensor booster wont make any difference when facing a frig. It will still take forever to lock it after it has locked and dampened you. Closing distance in a Scorpion? LOL Make your comeback when you have actually flied a Scorp. I have heard of the delay: I'm a Domi pilot. Drones is all I do. Now admittedly it's been a while since I crunched the numbers, but unless I'm mistaken, don't Dampeners decrease your scan resolution and range by "35" (whatever that means, probably %) while Boosters boost those two self same stats by "50"? 1 Sensor Booster should more than counter all of the effects of 1 Dampener. Unless you're claiming that a Frig can out-equip a BS, slot for slot... And incidentally, the Scorp is only 5 m/s a slower than a Domi. The concept of closing the distance in a BS really isn't THAT outlandish. --------
Marux	Posted - 2007.08.11 22:01:00 - [29] It is true that boosters will counter a dampener, but imagine if ECM worked out so that you had to have ECCM or you would always get jammed.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.11 22:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Marux Edited by: Marux on 11/08/2007 21:54:12 Well if you think about it, you shouldn't be able to lock down a carrier whose pilot has trained for at least a year, with a character that is only 3-4 days old with a little frig. Other forms of EW take into account the difference in ship size, for ECM the larger the ship the more resists you have. All i suggest is that ships be given is resistance to sensor dampening, perhaps even using the ECM resists that are already in place. I'm not entirely sure the analogy holds true here - with a frigate pilot using 3 T1 dampeners, he can reduce the scan range and resolution of a ship by about 60% (33%, 30%, 15%) give or take. This primarily puts larger ships at a disadvantage vs. smaller ships since the time to lock the smaller ships goes up by alot. This is accentuated by capital ships because their scan resolutions are poor anyway. Given that, we need to look at the effectiveness of sensor dampeners only when considering ships of the same size (frigate vs. frigate, cruiser vs. cruiser, BS vs. BS). It may still be overpowered though. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare.

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