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Reality dysfuntion
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:02:00 -
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title says it all.
make a high slot warp scrambler and be done with it.
means caldari can solo better, amarr can as well as normally they have a untility slot.
solves alot of problems IMO
**puts on flame proof suit**
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:07:00 -
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Don't caldari typically have more med slots than other ships?
Aren't warp scramblers a mid slot?
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:08:00 -
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Its a boost to
Amarr
Minmatar
Some Gallente
Caldari
All have utility slots to put scramblers in. All could use more mid slots.
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Khavi Vetali
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:11:00 -
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Yeh, but give it obscene fitting requirements ;-/
I think it's a poor idea to allow abilities traditionally meant for a certain slot to be utilized in a different slot. Unless there are sacrifices in effectiveness or other areas.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:20:00 -
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Make the grid requirements 800. Make it meant for battleships.
Then give it a 40km range. 
Nyxus
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Make the grid requirements 800. Make it meant for battleships.
Then give it a 40km range.
Nyxus
2nd
I have long advocated a long range (40km T1, 48km T2) warp scram that had high grid requirements for battleships and another one for capitals. (60km T1, 72km T2) Though I'd rather it was a mid slot module, not high slot.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:26:00 -
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Why not just double or triple the range on the existing module? That way long range ships are not at such a disadvantage in PvP. If they can scramble from 50-70 KM away, then the short range ships lose a lot of their current advantages.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.09 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Make the grid requirements 800. Make it meant for battleships.
Then give it a 40km range.
Nyxus
Sure, we *really* need battleships to become even more the solo pwn mobiles of eve than they already are.
Though 40 km is fine, and so is the high slot.
Liang
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PathetiQ
Gallente
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.08.09 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Reality dysfuntion
title says it all.
make a high slot warp scrambler and be done with it.
means caldari can solo better, amarr can as well as normally they have a untility slot.
solves alot of problems IMO
**puts on flame proof suit**
....NO?
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Reality dysfuntion
title says it all.
And your name is really bad fiction.
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Fager
Thunderstruck.
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes
Why not just double or triple the range on the existing module? That way long range ships are not at such a disadvantage in PvP. If they can scramble from 50-70 KM away, then the short range ships lose a lot of their current advantages.
Now THATs a brilliant plan.. would help midrange ships ALOT even if they are slower (Missiles Caldari ships and Amarr Laser Ships)
Would mean MWD+Inj wouldnt have that huge impact on the tackle part. Fight usually start at closerange thou but still improvement.
If im winning a fight with my missile ship a closerange ship would have to go out to 40+ to escape instead of 24...
Drawbacks: How the **** do you defend from everysingle tackler at 30km+ orbiting at loltastic speeds? is there any defense against that? Should there be?
Large Neutz only go to 25.2km.
Probably more drawbacks in there...
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Trojanman190
Caldari
Murder-Death-Kill
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:30:00 -
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No, it cant have long range. Sensor boosting battleships scrambling from 40km would negate dedicated tacklers. Also, with gang mods running you can scramble from like 60km.
Hypothetical setup.
Tempest
6x 800 IIs with barage (will hit from 35)
1x 40km warp scrambler
1x whatever
4x Damps
1x Mwd
1x LAR
2x nano
2x overdrive
1x gyro
speed rigs.
Whats this? Crap loads of ships fitting arazu setups? A 40km scrambler takes a lot away from the gallente recons.
Here's another hypothetical setup. Battleship tackler.
Typhoon
1x 40km scrambler
2x heavy neuts
4x cruise
1x nos
2x sensor boosters
1x mwd
1x cap booster
3x nano
3x overdrive
1x RCU (will prolly need it)
Speed rigs. Drones. Blah blah blah you see it.
the scrambler can be high slot but it absolutely cannot be better than the mid slot version. Being able to fit a scrambler in a slot like that is unbalancing to smaller ships. Luckily this will never happen.
If it ever did happen I would make it a battleship module with a 10km - 15km range, very heavy cap usage and a -2 or -3 to warp strength. Or make it capable of holding cap ships down.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:40:00 -
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The more I think about it, the more I think that the scrambler should be a long range module. It should be able to fit on any ship and have long range. Right now the maximum range of small-scale PvP combat is dictated by the maximum range at which you can scramble someone.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.08.10 17:04:00 -
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Easily available long range warp jamming would completely tumble EVE's balance around, much moreso even then a hislot scram. I don't believe it's impossible or undesireable, but in order to preserve some balance and usefulness between long range and short range, big ships and small ships, you'd have to reevaluate a ton of other aspects of the game. Minimum warp distances, ship speeds, short range warp jammer strength, warp core strength and warp core stabilizers, tracking, tanking... 
On the original topic, an idea I had a long time ago that I'll throw out there was to give all ships an inherent warp jamming capability--probably 1 point and 7.5k, cap use proportional to ship size, no module required. However engaging it would offline -your own- warp drive as well for a period of time. For small ships, this time would be very short, but as you move up ship classes, the time would get longer and longer. 
You'd still have warpjamming modules, but they'd just improve your inherent jamming range, strength, #of targets. Some of those modules could be hi- or loslots, or have alternate non-midslot versions.
It's obviously a pretty crazy idea, but I still like some of the implications after all this time.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:08:00 -
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Lachesis with one of these things, rawr!
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