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Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.10 05:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Lady Evang Edited by: Lady Evang on 10/08/2007 05:42:06 Edited by: Lady Evang on 10/08/2007 05:41:06 I find this to be extremely disturbing. You can say every curse word and it's not asterisked out. You can use racial slurs and stereotypical terms and your not asterisked out. What about the people who use blasphemy?Yet when someone is comfortable enough in there own skin to openly admit that he or she is gay they are shunned? Come on it is the year 2007 grow up people. Either block it all or block non, it is childish and your acting like you're in grade school all over again! -Lady Evang There's no shunning here. Rather, the ultimate answer that any minority should ultimate look for: When the general population says, "Um, we don't care. You're the same as everyone else, stop asking us to treat you specially."
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.08.10 07:29:00 - [32] Start a company with an according name and an appropriate logo if you wish to advertise that you are in fact a****.
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.08.10 07:30:00 - [33] isn't there some *** matari corp? ☠-->-->--
Xanorok Minmatar mega mining corporation Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 09:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Hollismason Also, most of the literature when even mentioning couples it is always a Heterosexual couple. It doesnt even reflect a accurate potrayal of today's society. You actually think the EVE gamesetting is really designed to accurately portray today's society? Reality check, anyone?
Maniai Pavor	Posted - 2007.08.10 09:52:00 - [35] read this chron stop looking for attention, it's a game it doesn't have to resemble rl
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:05:00 - [36] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 10/08/2007 11:06:31 Got to love these threads for the speed with which they attract people swarming in with variations on the theme of 'I don't like what you say, take it away from me'. Yes, the word filter could use some refinement when someone gets starred out trying to describe their own sexuality in an OOC forum while someone else gets to say Originally by: Vina I hope they KOS you in amarr empire space for being a homo. and Originally by: Derovius Vaden The one thing I DON'T want EVE to become is just another haven of limp wristed, spoon-fed ninnies and go unchallenged That former may - just barely - be considered a role played statement of sorts; the second looks like a clear breach of the rule against discriminatory remarks to me, particularly in the context of previous comments Derovius has made in the last thread on this subject (nice to see you Derovious, btw, accidentally stumbling again into a thread where you could reasonably expect to find people you've already said you don't like to be around, expressing opinions you don't want to hear, it's becoming a bit of a habit.) I don't think that CCP is obliged to support gay people any differently though. The rules already are clear about discriminatory comments and behaviour not being tolerated on the forums and in the game (those rules just need to be enforced fairly and equally). And as has already been said, if you'd like to see explorations of sexuality in the Eve world, submit something of your own and see if CCP take it up. Anyway, there's an in game channel 'LGBTA' Hollismason that you might want to check out. It's certainly a much friendlier place than this thread and also encourages open minded straight people as well as L's, G's, B's and T's Starlancers
Voodoo'sMother	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:16:00 - [37] This thread stinks of ***ness - oops i mean homosexuality.
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:16:00 - [38] Regardless of orientation, pursuing real life related social groups in a spaceship MMO seem's a bit out of place; as would a "We want to get in Orlando Bloom's Pants" or "Give me Pamela Anderson" club. The fact of the matter is its just a spaceship game; it is the common binding interest that brought us here... Why are you looking for some other social attachment? There are cheaper ways to find other homosexuals to hang around with, that's for sure Either way, this is the world of EVE; shouldn't we be making friends (and targets) based on our goals and lifestyles within the game world itself? After all, EVE is not real life (though some might be inclined to disagree ) This isn't the signature you're looking for. Can you tell me where to find the one I am looking for? -Kaemonn
Voodoo'sMother	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Evelgrivion Regardless of orientation, pursuing real life related social groups in a spaceship MMO seem's a bit out of place; as would a "We want to get in Orlando Bloom's Pants" or "Give me Pamela Anderson" club. The fact of the matter is its just a spaceship game; it is the common binding interest that brought us here... Why are you looking for some other social attachment? There are cheaper ways to find other homosexuals to hang around with, that's for sure Either way, this is the world of EVE; shouldn't we be making friends (and targets) based on our goals and lifestyles within the game world itself? After all, EVE is not real life (though some might be inclined to disagree ) signed
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Soren Edited by: Soren on 10/08/2007 04:08:27 They outlaw homos in the future... duh.. I disagree. Sexual preference is genetic right? In the far distant future that is Eve, I presume that they've perfected genetic engineering. Which is why there are none. Although, there's a gaping hole in that argument to explain the Gallente.... Sexual preference is NOT genetic; nor has anything to do with DNA. There is no * gene. A * person is not "born that way". They choose it. It's not forced on them like a disease at birth. Children have no concept of sexuality until they reach puberty. Until that time they have no preference regarding their gender object of desire. Going back to the OP, EVE is a game that has little bearing on real life. There are elements within the game that must relate to aspects of our daily lives that we can relate to in order to give the game a sense of realism, but ultimately it's just a game. In other words, whether your *, bisexual or a rabid horse humper nobody really cares. Stop forcing this issue on others just because you want attention from it. There's a reason the word * is blocked; it's because we shouldn't have to discuss it on these forums. Hell is other people's ringtones.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:35:00 - [41] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 10/08/2007 11:36:42 Originally by: Evelgrivion Regardless of orientation, pursuing real life related social groups in a spaceship MMO seem's a bit out of place; as would a "We want to get in Orlando Bloom's Pants" or "Give me Pamela Anderson" club. The fact of the matter is its just a spaceship game; it is the common binding interest that brought us here... Why are you looking for some other social attachment? There are cheaper ways to find other homosexuals to hang around with, that's for sure Either way, this is the world of EVE; shouldn't we be making friends (and targets) based on our goals and lifestyles within the game world itself? After all, EVE is not real life (though some might be inclined to disagree ) Good grief, yes - the very idea of looking for social interaction with people of similar background in a multiplayer online game clearly runs against everything sensible and reasonable. If you want the RP counterpoint - Orlando Bloom and Pamela Anderson wouldn't exist in a far future distant galaxy, so not having groups about them in Eve makes perfect sense. Gay sexuality most likely would exist in such a place, however, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to see it explored in the game background. Science fiction, after all, is essentially about the concept of 'other' and how we react to it - not everyone plays Eve just for the random violence. For the RL counterpoint - Eve isn't real life, but the people who play it are. We don't all spend every minute ingame acting in character, we talk about our real lives too. Why should some people be made to feel that talking about their real life persona is less acceptable than for others because of their sexuality? Starlancers
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:40:00 - [42] Always amusing reading these threads, seeing the same old faces talking the same old ****. As for people noticing the lack of moderator presence in threads such as this, you'll find alot of intervention has as much to do with folks emailing the moderators out of game, as them examining every single thread for abuse of the game / forum rules. CCP is an equal opportunity company, and moderators on this forum will enforce the rules fairly, and punish rule breakers, but they don't have eyes in the back of their heads so if a thread needs some love.. Let them know at: [email protected]. -------------------------------
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:49:00 - [43] Edited by: Scorpyn on 10/08/2007 11:49:10 Sexuality defines people in real life, but tbh I don't see the point in having it define people in a gaming context. If you want to complain about the lack of support for homosexuals, then you should direct that complain to a game where sexuality matters ingame. As far as I know, no such game exists. 2007-07-19 20:26
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Soren Edited by: Soren on 10/08/2007 04:08:27 They outlaw homos in the future... duh.. I disagree. Sexual preference is genetic right? In the far distant future that is Eve, I presume that they've perfected genetic engineering. Which is why there are none. Although, there's a gaping hole in that argument to explain the Gallente.... am sure thats not the only gaping hole in this thread tho ;)
mogwai Gallente Gremlin Industries Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle IN BEFORE BACKDOOR BANDIT!!!!! can i OMGRAWR.net that one? ----------------- Drones : 19 skills, 20,480,000 points
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.10 11:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Sazkyen Start a company with an according name and an appropriate logo if you wish to advertise that you are in fact a****. I thought he already has it.. its called Goons.. is it not?
Iwishai Wazahero Scrofulous Wealth Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.10 12:05:00 - [47] Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. All you can do is be your own person, and when people abuse you in game (as they inevitably will) try to ignore them. Move corps/locations etc etc until you find people willing to accept difference. Of course finding enough people who like a bit of coc.k to form a corp with is going to be tough, but good luck anyway :) And no, I don't think CCP should actively promote or supprt homosexuality, or heterosexuality. It's enough that they will take action against the homo (or hetero!) phobes.
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.10 12:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 10/08/2007 12:07:47 Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. All you can do is be your own person, and when people abuse you in game (as they inevitably will) try to ignore them. Move corps/locations etc etc until you find people willing to accept difference. Of course finding enough people who like a bit of coc.k to form a corp with is going to be tough, but good luck anyway :) And no, I don't think CCP should actively promote or supprt homosexuality, or heterosexuality. It's enough that they will take action against the homo (or hetero!) phobes. So they need to join female corps then? =) Sisters of EVE anyone? p.s it seems he has already found corp / alliance who enjoys the same things in life ;)
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.08.10 12:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. Actually you're wrong. The internet is a great place for being anonymous (no pun intended there regarding recent Fox News stories). What gets most people is that minority groups create this victim status for themselves which make others feel guilty and apologetic around them. That's where the minority groups' self consciousness arises from. If they'd have more courage and say; "To hell with it, I'm different regardless of what you think" then I could live with that and respect them. It's when they come across as victims of society with a "Woe is me, I can't help myself" attitude that I take offence. That's my biggest gripe with *** people to be honest. I don't really care about their sexuality. I care when they try and make me feel guilty for not caring about it; like the OP did, hence why I replied somewhat vehemently earlier. Hell is other people's ringtones.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.08.10 12:35:00 - [50] Quote: I was just wondering first why is * filtered out because it kind of sucks to have to talk about your orientation in asterisks and other forms. I agree, that sucks. Unfortunately a lot of people use * as an insult, which is what the censorship may be a response to. Quote: Also, in almost all of the eve literature there is a disturbing lack of sexuality or even discussion of it. Even under things such as the uber religous Ammar etc.. Write some As long as it's relevant and not purely about sexuality with a flimsy in game pretext, I see no reason why homosexuality shouldn't be in the fiction. I think it's probably more that it just wasn't the writers' first thought when dealing with space adventures, rather than it's been deliberately avoided. I'm not up on my eve-lore, but rp'ers have had in-character same sex marriages and relationships, so they clearly believe in the setting and backstory of eve, within certain cultures anyway (probably not amarr :P) homosexuality is accepted. Quote: I'd like to know what kind of support CCP gives to the * and ***** community As for support or condemnation, I'm not sure that's really CCP's place. I think part of the ethos of the game is not telling players what to think. They seem to step away from saying 'this is how something is' in the eve universe. It depends how you see the prime fiction really; some people see that as eve lore set in stone, but I think I'd rather see it as a springboard than a cage. And here I'm talking about the eve fiction, lore, and game world setting you were referring to. I think I'm talking myself in circles and not making a lot of sense here, but what I'm trying to say is that it seems like you want a definite answer from CCP 'this is how sexuality is dealt with in the future' when really it's up to us to come up with that answer. For myself I think it's pretty much implied in the political ideology of the different eve groups, but it's all open to interpretation. Obviously gm's should step in with the banstick if someones suffering harassment and should be supportive in that manner in ensuring someones real life sexuality does in no way effect their enjoyment of the game. And as far as I know, they do. But thats an entirely different thing from what you're talking about. Quote: we don't even have a subforum. Well there aren't really any subforums for any particular groups, there's just OOP for anything out of the game. And yes, you run the risk of threads being trolled by homophobes. The best idea would probably be a seperate forum just for that purpose, like others have corp and alliance forums outside of this website. Quote: possibly create a channel to serve our interests. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one already. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.10 13:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. Actually you're wrong. The internet is a great place for being anonymous (no pun intended there regarding recent Fox News stories). What gets most people is that minority groups create this victim status for themselves which make others feel guilty and apologetic around them. That's where the minority groups' self consciousness arises from. If they'd have more courage and say; "To hell with it, I'm different regardless of what you think" then I could live with that and respect them. It's when they come across as victims of society with a "Woe is me, I can't help myself" attitude that I take offence. That's my biggest gripe with *** people to be honest. I don't really care about their sexuality. I care when they try and make me feel guilty for not caring about it; like the OP did, hence why I replied somewhat vehemently earlier. Quoted for Truth. Also pretty much sums up my 10 posts. =p Hrm...my work here is done.
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 14:18:00 - [52] A homosexual pandering for special treatment? Well theres a first!
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.08.10 14:41:00 - [53] So you're homosexual, huh? Good for you. Buy a drink, grab a chair and sit down.
Layrex Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.10 14:50:00 - [54] You're all idiots. This is so obviously a wind up. It's a goonie ffs lol.
Ixianus	Posted - 2007.08.10 14:52:00 - [55] I wish every thread could be as great as this one. If you dont like homosexuals I dont understand the need to float around and go into each and every thread pertaining to homosexuality just to say you dont like it. Sexuality is a part of the game, the game just has a Southern Baptist mentality about it it seems. Its fine so long as youre getting drunk and beating your wife, but keep those damned homos away from me.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Sexual preference is NOT genetic; nor has anything to do with DNA. There is no * gene. A * person is not "born that way". They choose it. It's not forced on them like a disease at birth. Children have no concept of sexuality until they reach puberty. Until that time they have no preference regarding their gender object of desire. I disagree to an extent - while obviously there is no "* gene" that flawlessly converts one's sexuality if expressed, one's likelyhood to have a differing view of sexuality can be linked, to a certain extent, to biology - for example, women that have a higher expression of genes that control testosterone production tend to be more Tomboyish and have sexual fantasies that involve other women more often. This information is available through wikipedia if anyone wishes to check my sources. Originally by:** Derovius Vaden As I understand it, there is much debate about genetics of homosexuality; the most obvious arguement against this notion is the perplexity behind passing on a recessive trait that only manefests itself in people who don't reproduce. Such a trait would not last more than a few generations, and our species has been around for a few hundred thousand generations or so. The answer is a bit more complex than that - a recessive gene that lowers reproduction rate might indeed have a positive effect over the long term to provide a guard against scarcity of resources via overpopulation. If the gene is recessive, one could be a carrier for it without actually being homosexual themselves. Of course, that's all speculation, and as far as I know there has been no singe gene that alters the likelyhood of one being heterosexual or homosexual. Quote: And any self-respecting geneticist would remove such behaviour modifying genes from our toon's clone anyways... Or perhaps thats the one gene the Joves forgot to remove! Look at them now! WTF. I know I'm stepping in an anthill here, but those are just my personal views - I have no problem with people who are homosexual, bisexual, or transgendered. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:26:00 - [57] Edited by: Mercurye on 10/08/2007 15:26:35 Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. Actually you're wrong. The internet is a great place for being anonymous (no pun intended there regarding recent Fox News stories). What gets most people is that minority groups create this victim status for themselves which make others feel guilty and apologetic around them. That's where the minority groups' self consciousness arises from. If they'd have more courage and say; "To hell with it, I'm different regardless of what you think" then I could live with that and respect them. It's when they come across as victims of society with a "Woe is me, I can't help myself" attitude that I take offence. That's my biggest gripe with *** people to be honest. I don't really care about their sexuality. I care when they try and make me feel guilty for not caring about it; like the OP did, hence why I replied somewhat vehemently earlier. Your such a straight guy Miss Antrophy --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Mercurye Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Miss Anthropy Sexual preference is NOT genetic; nor has anything to do with DNA. There is no * gene. A * person is not "born that way". They choose it. It's not forced on them like a disease at birth. Children have no concept of sexuality until they reach puberty. Until that time they have no preference regarding their gender object of desire. I disagree to an extent - while obviously there is no "*** gene" that flawlessly converts one's sexuality if expressed, one's likelyhood to have a differing view of sexuality can be linked, to a certain extent, to biology - for example, women that have a higher expression of genes that control testosterone production tend to be more Tomboyish and have sexual fantasies that involve other women more often. This information is available through wikipedia if anyone wishes to check my sources. I believe this is also true about boys/men, the reverse way I mean....atleast, for me it does, the last 5/6 years I have become and felt more feminine and also noticed an increase in my fantasies with men , although I still fantasize about women as well..... So maybe thats true, not sure... --~--~--~--~ ~NOTE: Freak~
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Unfortunatly as a member of a minority you are expected to keep your mouth shut about the whole thing and pretend to be "normal". It's the same with having an alternative religion (or even ANY religion sometimes!). Thats the internet community for you. Sadly MMO's (even Eve) are dominated by young males, who overwhelmingly feel the need to shout about how straight/white/normal they are, and take any statement of difference as a direct challenge to their own beliefs. Actually you're wrong. The internet is a great place for being anonymous (no pun intended there regarding recent Fox News stories). What gets most people is that minority groups create this victim status for themselves which make others feel guilty and apologetic around them. That's where the minority groups' self consciousness arises from. If they'd have more courage and say; "To hell with it, I'm different regardless of what you think" then I could live with that and respect them. It's when they come across as victims of society with a "Woe is me, I can't help myself" attitude that I take offence. That's my biggest gripe with *** people to be honest. I don't really care about their sexuality. I care when they try and make me feel guilty for not caring about it; like the OP did, hence why I replied somewhat vehemently earlier. Agreed, and exactly the same thing with furries. Nobody cares about furries until they start running around whining that they're being oppressed. Then everyone starts actually oppressing them just for the laughs. I don't care about your sexual orientation. I do care if you run around showing it off and complaining you're being oppressed because of it. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Ja'kar ahhh G-A-Y word should be allowed - not like if you read it you turn *! **.. you just bypassed the filter.. and i have strange feelings for you now jak! like i've never felt for a boy! ☠-->-->--

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