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Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.08.10 16:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Rilder on 10/08/2007 16:30:17 Well to me whether I stay or go from EvE depends on a "Possible" release date of December 2008 for the game "Star Trek: Online" If STO ends up a grind fest simular to WoW then I suspect EvE will have a very long and prosperous future. The Main reason I'd possible go from EvE to WoW is simply cause in EvE your a Captain of a ship, in the Star Trek universe your Captain of a Crew. Visit my blog =)http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.10 16:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Those who are willing, prepared and capable of owning 0.0 space already do or try this, those who love to live in the security of highsec empire will not move 0.0 no matter how many new systems. Add more 0.0 will not make Jita empty or something. And the place is already very huge, 5000+ solar systems ? Check the map for ships currently in space / docked / traffic jumps etc. you'll see theres a lot of space where you hardly see anyone. Makes no sense to create more empty space imho It's not about willing. In 2003/2004 a corp of 50 people could move into 0.0 and start at the bottom of the learning curve. Today thats close to impossible as they would face a 1000 man blob whos been living there for ages. To say its about will is utter ignorant. Jita will always be full as it is a TRADE HUB. Its a normal part of human behaviour. 5000 systems? Yeah roll your eyes idiot, jump into claimed space and in a short amount of time there will be a gank squad ready to have a go at you. The point you fail at getting is that people should have the abilaty of moving to 0.0 and grow....climb the learning curve. Today this is impossible. The only way to move to 0.0 is to join an alliance and learn it that way. So here : Right back at you fool. Caldari and proud
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.10 16:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Death Kill It's not about willing. In 2003/2004 a corp of 50 people could move into 0.0 and start at the bottom of the learning curve. Today thats close to impossible as they would face a 1000 man blob whos been living there for ages. To say its about will is utter ignorant. Jita will always be full as it is a TRADE HUB. Its a normal part of human behaviour. 5000 systems? Yeah roll your eyes idiot, jump into claimed space and in a short amount of time there will be a gank squad ready to have a go at you. The point you fail at getting is that people should have the abilaty of moving to 0.0 and grow....climb the learning curve. Today this is impossible. The only way to move to 0.0 is to join an alliance and learn it that way. So here : Right back at you fool. Even if there are new systems, it won't be much diffrent than moving in already existing rather empty space. If the regions are slightly profitable the bigger alliances would claim it anyways and kick your 50 man corp outa there. Open your eyes, today alliances already claim space that they hardly use. So an empire corp looking for 0.0 will not see any difference if it wants to move to 0.0, whether it's like now or if thre are few more empty systems - it just does not make a diffrece. But obviously your are too narrow-minded to see that. The space is not full with people, again, instead of ranting here just check the map, thres plenty of space with almost no traffic. Also you failed to understand that expandig the game can be done by adding more content to already existing space and not only by extending the number of solar system. You seem not to understand that, so you start to insult. You think words like "idiot" and "fool" will make you look better. But your insults will not make you being more right, they only show that you are an immature person, not capable of having a normal discussion. Grow up.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.10 17:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Even if there are new systems, it won't be much diffrent than moving in already existing rather empty space. Why, because you say so? Quote: If the regions are slightly profitable the bigger alliances would claim it anyways and kick your 50 man corp outa there. Open your eyes, today alliances already claim space that they hardly use. Its not about space being profitable imo. and with more regions alliances would have issues claiming more space. With todays superalliances with thousands of members they can laim their regions. Point is, there should be more space than there is players to claim it. Quote: So an empire corp looking for 0.0 will not see any difference if it wants to move to 0.0, whether it's like now or if thre are few more empty systems - it just does not make a diffrece. But obviously your are too narrow-minded to see that. It's amazing how that makes me narrow minded. Quote: The space is not full with people, again, instead of ranting here just check the map, thres plenty of space with almost no traffic. Also you failed to understand that expandig the game can be done by adding more content to already existing space and not only by extending the number of solar system. Yeah right. If you judge the map by watching 'pilots in space' then you are ignorant. It doeasnt matter if space shows no pilots because so does fountain. try move to fountain and see how many bobbits that will come running. You fail at simple logic. Quote: You seem not to understand that, so you start to insult. No. If you act like an idiot I will tell you. Quote: You think words like "idiot" and "fool" will make you look better. But your insults will not make you being more right, they only show that you are an immature person, not capable of having a normal discussion. Grow up. Considering your corp is named after tha most hated corporation on the face of the planet, what you wrote is pretty much void. Caldari and proud
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.10 17:51:00 - [35] Firstly, I think the senior management of CCP should express their views on this thread because this is an important question. Only senior management (Hilmar Peterson?) can answer this because it depends on the vision of the leadership. The answer to whether Eve has a lifespan should not be in doubt for the sake of players and the future employment of CCP workers, including the developers! However, as Hilmar Peterson is probably on a very well deserved holiday, I am certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt! In my opinion, Eve will continue as long as it continues to evolve. A lot rides on the upcoming graphics overhaul and ambulation projects. Why? - because of competition from newly released MMORPGs with new graphics. Good graphics improve player immersion, and the greater the feeling you are actually there, the better. I think ambulation is important because it will give Eve more soul. Now, everyone lives in the vacuum of space and we all enjoy socialising. The Holy Grail is walking on planets. If this ever happens (because this must be so difficult to achieve) eve could be here for a very long time indeed! Eve is such a good game I hope it continues forever. Hilmar Peterson has proved himself a creative genius with many talents! (Computer programming, sense of art, vision, business sense, leadership, etc. etc!)
Meehn	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:05:00 - [36] Quote: the culmination of my beliefs regards 'mmo' is that one day an mmo will last forever undergoing countless technological revolultions that incorperate it ever more into our very being. As the world runs out of resources property will become virtualised and no longer bound by objectified function but purely commodified desire. To a lesser extent this is what the brand is to the material, the separation of desire and product. Eve's single shard universe is ahead of it's time, and the horrible technical problems show it. One day something like the world climate simulator will resemble a computer game. Will eve die? The death of mmo's has intrested me for a while, with the millions of hours invested in virtual worlds, their decomposition makes for an intresting dilemma...are online worlds alive, do they represent life, do they need humans at the end or could they become autonomous hyper-calculating organisms. Pat, did you just take a bong rip and write that? That was like, whoa d00d.
Judas Marr Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:22:00 - [37] I've played most of the MMOGs out there, and EVE is the only one that I could imagine still being near the forefront of the genre longterm. It's just a much more unique game than the others, and it seems less vulnerable to changing MMOG trends. I also think it's got more potential for growth and expansion than other MMOGs. And graphically, it's the most feasible to update, and it'll be the last to look dated purely by graphics. Space games don't show their age anything like the more traditional character-focussed games do. WoW already looks prehistoric.
FuriousMallard Amarr Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:36:00 - [38] Edited by: FuriousMallard on 10/08/2007 18:38:10 It really boils down to profitability for CCP. EVE-Online exists as a money-making venture, and so long as the revenue continues to outstrip ever-growing operating expenses (overhead, dev headcount and hefty hardware/datacenter investments), AND shows a reasonably strong growth curve, CCP will likely continue to invest. A few factors I could see impacting this: 1. The hardware/datacenter investment becomes too burdensome financially or simply cannot keep up with gameplay and the player base, negatively impacting the player experience (lag anyone?) and cost-effective solutions can't be found. 2. A direct competitor arises with superior gameplay/performance/etc. 3. Player growth curve flattens out as EVE maxes out its niche appeal. This would force CCP to divert resources to diversity its revenue stream (that other MMO, for example). 4. (added via edit) CCP gets acquired, and the buyer either borks up EVE out of incompetence OR they bought CCP for other assets and halt/de-emphasize EVE itself. Or probably 1000 other possibles that CCP senior management have sitting on many a PPT strategy deck in their offices. ---------------- I quack in your general direction.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Death Kill Quote: The space is not full with people, again, instead of ranting here just check the map, thres plenty of space with almost no traffic. Also you failed to understand that expandig the game can be done by adding more content to already existing space and not only by extending the number of solar system. Yeah right. If you judge the map by watching 'pilots in space' then you are ignorant. It doeasnt matter if space shows no pilots because so does fountain. try move to fountain and see how many bobbits that will come running. You fail at simple logic. Strong words again, "ignorant", "fail simple logic". But who does really fail simply logic here ? Just take what you say and think one step further, and you will find what i am trying to tell you. Your "empty fountain" - example: They don't have to be there, they simply claim it and defend there when someone intrudes. And now transform this. A new region comes out, alliance XY claims it. Because of status, politiacl issues, another regions to have pets there who pay, whatever. It may stay empty, but as soon as you move in with your 50 man corp, build there some pos maybe, they will come for you. And you end up either paying a fee (being a pet) or kicked out of there. The only diffrence to now would be they have to make more jumps. More jumping around, less combat. This is just an example of how you fail to understand what i say and then start to insult. You have no good counter-arguments on the issue itself so you try to fight off-topic, attacking my corpname etc. I don't think it makes sense to discuss with you any longer, since you are not able to discuss constructively, farewell.
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:50:00 - [40] It will last until a good Star Trek or Star Wars MMO comes out, so in other words until hell freezes over. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:10:00 - [41] I think EVE online will live a very long time! Allready now, we see the tendensies of people staying longer in this game then in any other game. And that is not without a reason! anyway, I think the game need to continue to add new and interesting things to it, which ofcource not limits or changes too much of what we currently got. But some things I would like to see: 1. MORE REGIONS!!! We need way more regions for people to just move into! 2. WALK IN STATION!! Yes, we need to walk in stations! Shopping! Spending some time in the bars, hanging around with corp mates! It does not really need a specific purpose even if that is cool - like meeting with agents - but I want it to be more a social point where you can meet friens "face-to-face" for a interactive drink! 3. TERRAFORMING AND COLONIZATION OF PLANETS! We need some brand new behemot ships for terraforming planets, and making them ready for colonization! This should not be a easy task, requiring LOT of resources, but damn it would be cool! We could see it as a way of rebuilding New Eden after the 2 terryfying wars that have been fought! (And make ready for new ones ofcource ) Well... some ideas I have :) Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Meehn Quote: the culmination of my beliefs regards 'mmo' is that one day an mmo will last forever undergoing countless technological revolultions that incorperate it ever more into our very being. As the world runs out of resources property will become virtualised and no longer bound by objectified function but purely commodified desire. To a lesser extent this is what the brand is to the material, the separation of desire and product. Eve's single shard universe is ahead of it's time, and the horrible technical problems show it. One day something like the world climate simulator will resemble a computer game. Will eve die? The death of mmo's has intrested me for a while, with the millions of hours invested in virtual worlds, their decomposition makes for an intresting dilemma...are online worlds alive, do they represent life, do they need humans at the end or could they become autonomous hyper-calculating organisms. Pat, did you just take a bong rip and write that? That was like, whoa d00d. My thought exactly. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Patricia Bateman the culmination of my beliefs regards 'mmo' is that one day an mmo will last forever undergoing countless technological revolultions that incorperate it ever more into our very being. As the world runs out of resources property will become virtualised and no longer bound by objectified function but purely commodified desire. To a lesser extent this is what the brand is to the material, the separation of desire and product. Eve's single shard universe is ahead of it's time, and the horrible technical problems show it. One day something like the world climate simulator will resemble a computer game. Will eve die? The death of mmo's has intrested me for a while, with the millions of hours invested in virtual worlds, their decomposition makes for an intresting dilemma...are online worlds alive, do they represent life, do they need humans at the end or could they become autonomous hyper-calculating organisms. Anyone seen the movie "The 13th Floor" Its one of my all-time favorites Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Zoraks Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:30:00 - [44] The death of mmo's has intrigued me for quite sometime now. I have seen countless mmo's die and leave the subscriber asking themselves what are they gona do now. Saying that, I have also seen a handful of mmo's like the once great and powerful "Asheron's Call" continue to survive these next great thing things and continue to be available to the player base no matter how small it's subscription base has gotten. Now with all that being said, I truly believe that the lifespan of ANY mmo is determined by the company that owns the copywrite of said mmo dedication to its player base. Yea turbine could have gone the way of EA and shut its servers down when they released games like DDO and LOTR but they refused to do so. Bottom line is this, as long as ccp continues to respect its players, eve online will have a very long lifespan, no matter how small the population gets.
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Patricia Bateman the culmination of my beliefs regards 'mmo' is that one day an mmo will last forever undergoing countless technological revolultions that incorperate it ever more into our very being. As the world runs out of resources property will become virtualised and no longer bound by objectified function but purely commodified desire. To a lesser extent this is what the brand is to the material, the separation of desire and product. Eve's single shard universe is ahead of it's time, and the horrible technical problems show it. One day something like the world climate simulator will resemble a computer game. Will eve die? The death of mmo's has intrested me for a while, with the millions of hours invested in virtual worlds, their decomposition makes for an intresting dilemma...are online worlds alive, do they represent life, do they need humans at the end or could they become autonomous hyper-calculating organisms. OMG WTF is going on??? Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Miss Tigkill	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:43:00 - [46] EVE provides many things not available elsewhere. It has staying power.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.10 22:25:00 - [47] EVE's got lifespan as long as there's a) not enough stuff, so people have to fight over it and b) people prepared to tool each other over. I don't see this changing any time soon, therefore EVE has a good and strong future.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.08.10 23:46:00 - [48] Until Janruary 3rd 2012 is when eve will end, I have seen it in a vision oh, wait...I'm just drunk and stupid. Damnit!
Torrence Osti A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.11 01:49:00 - [49] I think it will last a long time, as long as CCP doesn't pull what SOE did to star wars galaxies on us.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.11 02:22:00 - [50] When they switch to DX10.... I will be not playing the game anymore, sorry CCP
D'Insane Shatner Gallente Shatner's Toupee	Posted - 2007.08.11 04:11:00 - [51] Well, I don't know how many of you have been playing since near release.... but.... Back then I remember there being 11,000 people on over a busy weekend. And I thought the server was packed back then. Now it's like 33 or 34 THOUSAND. Eve's got a lot of life in it. -- http://www.shatnerology.com
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.11 06:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Scorpyn How long it will run is something that I believe depends more on the players than on the devs. not true the way eve is going it won't even look like the same game in 2 years with eve planets walking and the new system. so even if all older players left it would still be strong. because newer players would join. and then in another 4 years you'll want to the new eve with the newly open eve gate. hell this game will just keep changeing. and when it can handel the "lagstick" -winterblink EvE will have fps fighting fighters comming out of carriers while other ships combat in RTS like we have now. hell even on foot combat might come out some day. SO.. eve might die in the way we know, but eve it'self won't die. it's the end of the game as we know it, it's the end of the game as we know it, and I feel fine. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.11 07:23:00 - [53] It is mostly a pvp game, so it will last until an Alliance grows too big to stopped. No one wants to fight a hopeless fight. A Titan is impossible to kill unless driven by an incompetent player or by betrayal, so the side that can manufacture most Titans will eventually win. And when that happens Eve will turn into a pve game. Meaning most players will leave the game. And this will happen far sooner than 10 years. My guess is max 2 year.
bellator militaris	Posted - 2007.08.11 07:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Patricia Bateman the culmination of my beliefs regards 'mmo' is that one day an mmo will last forever undergoing countless technological revolultions that incorperate it ever more into our very being. As the world runs out of resources property will become virtualised and no longer bound by objectified function but purely commodified desire. To a lesser extent this is what the brand is to the material, the separation of desire and product. Eve's single shard universe is ahead of it's time, and the horrible technical problems show it. One day something like the world climate simulator will resemble a computer game. Will eve die? The death of mmo's has intrested me for a while, with the millions of hours invested in virtual worlds, their decomposition makes for an intresting dilemma...are online worlds alive, do they represent life, do they need humans at the end or could they become autonomous hyper-calculating organisms. Deep, very, very, Deep.
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.08.11 09:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 10/08/2007 10:16:53 How long will EVE last? I'm not predicting nor implying anything here, I'm merely curious on the prospects. Looking at how SWG survived the horrible NGE transformation (and God knows what else since then) I would guess EVE could last pretty long. What do you think? Edit: not to mention that I haven't heard any upcoming titles comparable to EVE. EVE will last as long as CCP doesnt listen to all the nerf cries, which unfortunately they have lately. SWG is the main example... People complained that Jedis were overpowered and the game was difficult and complex. Sony then made jedi starter profession (still overpowered) and now 75% went jedi and the rest was doomed in pvp. Also the game was dumbed down to a level where everyone (cept for jedis) were practically a clone of each other. Please CCP, dont give in to nerf cries!
Edey Minmatar Free Space Tech VooDoo Technologies	Posted - 2007.08.11 13:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 10/08/2007 10:16:53 How long will EVE last? I'm not predicting nor implying anything here, I'm merely curious on the prospects. Looking at how SWG survived the horrible NGE transformation (and God knows what else since then) I would guess EVE could last pretty long. What do you think? Edit: not to mention that I haven't heard any upcoming titles comparable to EVE. Till something better comes out. __________________________________________________

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