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Captain Sonata
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:10:00 -
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Wouldn't that be great if you had the opportunity to unlearn any skill you choose, get the SP back and put it towards something else?
So if you undo a certain skill, the SP from that skill will go into a common pool of SP. Once you choose a skill to train the required amount for your skill will be subtracted from the pool.
Limitations:
- You would get the SP back instantly, but you will only be able to unlearn a skill level once every 24 hours, so for a level 5 skill you'd have to do it over a period of 5 days going from level 5 to 4 to 3 ... to 0.
- If you untrain a skill to level 0, it will still be there, you wouldn't have to re purchase it. All level 0 skills can be hidden from the character screen via the options.
- You can only unlearn independent skills, so for example you couldn't undo Frigate 5 while you have Assault Ships trained.
- You also wouldn't be able to train a previous level 0 skill up unless you meet the prerequisites.
I think this will give an opportunity to both beginning players and the veterans to fine tune their characters to their liking.
The 'nerf' wars will end, as everyone will be able to select the play style they like without spending obscene amount of time to cross train.
This is not a hard thing to implement, and it will greatly boost the playability of EVE and I'm sure it will make a lot of people happy.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Death Kill on 10/08/2007 13:12:24
No.
Caldari and proud |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:12:00 -
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Just drink a lot of alcohol, and do a lot of crash.
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:19:00 -
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Sweet! Then I can train only skills based on Perc/Willp, then turn it into "Pool-SP" and place them on skills where I have far lower attributes!
You are a genious!
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Lord DeFault
Minmatar
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:26:00 -
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Use only once service with 50% SP Loss? Pehaps... Otherwise no... lol
People would train using two ultra High stat points then learn there slow skills with out bother..
Making balanced charters completly useless o.o
SP System is just part of eve. I don't like it, but you can't undo it now? :p
I wish I could ditch some level 5's, But I enjoyed em once, Never know what the next patch will make stronger or nerf... lol Stick with your sp ! :p
The PrePatch Day song |
Yukiko Chan
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata
So if you undo a certain skill, the SP from that skill will go into a common pool of SP. Once you choose a skill to train the required amount for your skill will be subtracted from the pool.
"a common pool of SP" sounds great - you unlearn stuff and the rest of us get to share the SP you just dumped - where do I sign up? 
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Cammulos
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:35:00 -
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Trial and error. It makes the game interesting to invest time in training and then never use those skills much. Makes you plan out what you want to do, instead of simply bouncing around from one thing to another endlessly.
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meritorious brown
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:38:00 -
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op; worst idea evah
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:50:00 -
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Hell I'd be happy just to be able to unlearn a skill, Don't want the Skill points back, Just hate having a cluttered skill set....
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Originally by: Drykor
Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:51:00 -
[10]
No. NEXT!
Bookmark Idea - My skills
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Malicious Wraith
Minmatar
The Dark Side of the Moon
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:52:00 -
[11]
Yes, why say no? This is actually one of those features that really cant go making the gameplay worse like heat.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:03:00 -
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So train a skill where you have high attributes, then unlearn the skill, and put it towards a skill where you have a low primary attribute.
Anyone notice a problem with that, your idea is in the right place, but will introduce blance issues.
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CaldariAdam
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:07:00 -
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Only if it takes 4x the time to learn backwards, otherwise no.
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:11:00 -
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Keep the untrained skill points within the same skill group, then there is no unbalance...ie untrain large energy turret and apply to sharpshooting etc..
Deck
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL
Keep the untrained skill points within the same skill group, then there is no unbalance...ie untrain large energy turret and apply to sharpshooting etc..
Deck
Or that i'd go with tbh.
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Originally by: Drykor
Customer service my ***.
Can't Fix, Won't Fix.
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Paranoid Fiber
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:27:00 -
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I went to college for Psychology, obviously that was a mistake since I cant find a Job. I demand I get my money back I spent learning that degree, so I can go back for Art instead |
Drykor
Minmatar
Warriors of the Einherjar
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:28:00 -
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No way. You can always learn everything, you're never at a loss. Just think about what you train before you do it, and stop wanting to go with the flavour of the month.
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The S1lenc3er
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Keep the untrained skill points within the same skill group, then there is no unbalance...ie untrain large energy turret and apply to sharpshooting etc..
Deck
Or that i'd go with tbh.
Learning skills for one (advanced) attributes needed differ.
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Kellzz
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:29:00 -
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as its presented? no.
But as suggested, if you unlearn a skill that uses Willpower and Int. then make those skill points only good for other skills that use the exact same attributes.
This way you avoid people training lvl 5 engineering, unlearning it and putting those points toward getting a carrier.
Now, i know that a skill that is 1x time has less SPs to learn than a skill at 5x.
do they train at the same speed, just one has more points to go through?
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata
Wouldn't that be great if you had the opportunity to unlearn any skill you choose, get the SP back and put it towards something else?
So if you undo a certain skill, the SP from that skill will go into a common pool of SP. Once you choose a skill to train the required amount for your skill will be subtracted from the pool.
Limitations:
- You would get the SP back instantly, but you will only be able to unlearn a skill level once every 24 hours, so for a level 5 skill you'd have to do it over a period of 5 days going from level 5 to 4 to 3 ... to 0.
- If you untrain a skill to level 0, it will still be there, you wouldn't have to re purchase it. All level 0 skills can be hidden from the character screen via the options.
- You can only unlearn independent skills, so for example you couldn't undo Frigate 5 while you have Assault Ships trained.
- You also wouldn't be able to train a previous level 0 skill up unless you meet the prerequisites.
I think this will give an opportunity to both beginning players and the veterans to fine tune their characters to their liking.
The 'nerf' wars will end, as everyone will be able to select the play style they like without spending obscene amount of time to cross train.
This is not a hard thing to implement, and it will greatly boost the playability of EVE and I'm sure it will make a lot of people happy.
so basically youre upset because your character sheet looks messy and now you want to clean it up. Also, it seems like youre really heavily in favor of a respec. I hear SOE does that for their customers, perhaps SWG or EQ would be more to your liking?
Not happy with the path you chose? Start training for something else.
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Xilimyth Derlin
Gallente
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Xilimyth Derlin on 10/08/2007 14:30:37
I unlearn skills by not having an up to date clone and having some 'low-sec-friends' do the dirty work ^_^ *snickers evilly* Getting skill points back..... Crash all the way :D
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Kellzz
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:32:00 -
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another issue is the 24 hour deal.
make it 30 days.
This way you avoid people going for the "cookie cutter" spec for whatever role they are filling.
But overall, i still say no.
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Auraurious
Silentium.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:48:00 -
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No.
Although the ability to delete skills and not get them back at all would be nice if you ask me, would neaten things up a bit and get rid of crap you will never use.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:10:00 -
[24]
NO NO NO.
Would just make that people all migrate SP to the "month flavor"
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:21:00 -
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hm, i would switch caldari cruiser 5 to minmatar cruiser 5.
after the amarr boost, id go for amarr cruiser 5. maybe todays gang needs a arazu? np, let me just switch to gallente.
to put it in other words: no.
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Originally by: Marduk Felzhen
You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
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Fannatik
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:31:00 -
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I would vote absolutely no to getting the SP back, but the ability to "forget" a skill you don't want wouldn't be bad.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:46:00 -
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It could be implemented... if it takes as long to unlearn the skill as it took to learn it, that would be balanced.
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Lysianna
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:52:00 -
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I think your idea is not that bad actually. In my opinion, CCP should just cut down the training time by a little bit. I'm not saying turning a 7 days training in 1 hour.. but I don't know.. 10% to 15% wouldn't hurt that much and I think it would attract alot of new players.
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Grapez
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:55:00 -
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No, Non, Nein, Nyet.
One of the great things in Eve is that even people with 30+ million SP can only actually "use" a fraction of those depending on what ship they're flying, or what profession they're doing. This gives newbs the chance to "target train" for a particular ship or market niche and be able to compete with the old guys on a somewhat level playing field.
Under your idea, BetaChar could simply reassign all his SP from lasers/Amarr to science skills without much work. Or he could take all those skills and reassign them to Minmatter/nano junk before a major fleet engagement.
So, no. Never. And if this happens, I'm going to reassign all my SP to Forum Trolling, Ban Hammer Resistance, and General Malcontent.
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.08.10 16:00:00 -
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I'd prefer it if I could just 'forget' a skill and lose the SP. 
Still not gonna happen though.
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