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Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.02.03 11:36:00 - [1] ...... is rampant inside the forums!! Is it true in the game itself, well from my experience it couldn't be further from the truth. Most of the players I come across have very little knowledge of the wranglings that go on in this forum. They ask me questions about the new Tech 2 stuff, the new ships that are coming out. I never hear about the lack of content and have the Devs addressed X issues yet! I have played Eve for over 7 months now and have seen a lot and watched how the game has evolved. At no point have I ever felt hard done by or cheated by the Dev team and what they have implemented. Infact most of the new stuff has just added more challenges to the game. The point to this post is that its just so annoying that a few players are so eager to have their hands in the development pot. Their Monthly payment of ú6/$12 whichever it maybe makes them think they have a right to demand changes to things they don't like. The same goes for the lack of content gang who want hard core story lines and daily interaction. This is to help them find content, usually because they powerplayed and have peaked in such a short space of time they have ran out of things to do that mean anything to them. All I ask is anyone who likes the game for what it is leave a mark under mine. I know there are issues that do need resolving and I can't believe they will just be left by the devs. So show some support and help me to regain my faith that the forums are not just a CCP/Eve witch hunt!! ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.02.03 11:40:00 - [2] Basic law of human whininess: people who are happy, tend to stay quiet. People who are not happy tend to make a lot of noise about it. Ergo, game forums always give the impression that the game completely sucks; just remember that if it did completely suck, we wouldn't be here complaining about it: we'd go and play something else that was good. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Isang Relow	Posted - 2004.02.03 11:55:00 - [3] I agree, i think it's pathetic with all these people whining and moaning about things, flaming CCP, it's just really sad.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2004.02.03 11:55:00 - [4] Quote: Basic law of human whininess: people who are happy, tend to stay quiet. People who are not happy tend to make a lot of noise about it. Ergo, game forums always give the impression that the game completely sucks; just remember that if it did completely suck, we wouldn't be here complaining about it: we'd go and play something else that was good. soo true... and yeah, count me in to the "i love the game the way it is" crowd ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
babyblue	Posted - 2004.02.03 11:57:00 - [5] I think a lot of people are up and down with the game, only like he says when they are down they come and post, when they are up the are too busy playing the game.
Jayad	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:05:00 - [6] support for anti-gloom Eve is a wonderfull place, with growing greatness. The Doom people do not reflect the gaming majority. j
Riana Tabost	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:10:00 - [7] I once read an interesting sig on the forums. Not sure who it belongs to, but it goes something like this: The reasonable person adjusts themself to the world. The unreasonable person asks the world to adjust to them. It follows that all progress comes from unreasonable people. I'm not saying thanks to the whiners, but I won't ask them to shut up. __________________________________________________________________________ May I recommend a Cybernetic Subprocessor?.. That's an intelligence implant, sweetheart. Ideas Lab - Reprocessing
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:34:00 - [8] Quote: I once read an interesting sig on the forums. Not sure who it belongs to, but it goes something like this: The reasonable person adjusts themself to the world. The unreasonable person asks the world to adjust to them. It follows that all progress comes from unreasonable people. I'm not saying thanks to the whiners, but I won't ask them to shut up. I am not meaning to have a pop at the guy who feels hard done by because of an ingame issue. Its more at the direct attacks and doom and gloomers who see no good in anything that is done in Eve. Some of the posts with regards to dev chats and introduction of new stuff goes beyond a a little constructive critisism and ends up as a all out attack on the values and ability of CCP. I am just putting myself on the line for more critisism by saying any of this, which I accept. But I just felt that I had to at least try and paint a less grim picture to the Eve universe. ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Juniper	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:43:00 - [9] Edited by: Juniper on 03/02/2004 12:44:58 Quote: I agree, i think it's pathetic with all these people whining and moaning about things, flaming CCP, it's just really sad. Yep, CCP should certainly do something about it.. like ban them or something. If they can be bothered that is. Useless so and so's! -- Gotta sell my stuff...
Agan Rafa	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:53:00 - [10] Actually, I think a lot of people post when they have no game access - when they are at work for instance. If waffling and whining helps get them through the day so they can get back to the wonderful world of EVE, then I say 'Go for it !'. Anyway, as long as we discuss on civil, reasonable terms, then it doesn't bother me one bit - in fact I enjoy some quite lively discussions sometimes..... Carebear extraordinaire
Qual	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:53:00 - [11] One vote for the happy team... Head of Xanadu Elite Ships Department
Skaz	Posted - 2004.02.03 12:54:00 - [12] Edited by: Skaz on 03/02/2004 12:56:04 Way too muh anti-gloom here But remember, CCP reads these forums believe it or not So think of Doomsayers and whiners as a force that keeps the devs on their toes trying to improve the game. I mean who plays a game that he feels that sucks? No one. I myself have been a doomsayer more than once but I hope that those posts have helped to keep CCP focused at fixing and improving the game which we love. I have been playing since Beta and have seen how this game has evolved and grown, so in a way EVE is my baby too, and I can have some say in its upbringing right At least I get to have an opinion Plus in Beta we were encouraged to voice our opinions, good and especially bad ones. I guess most of the forum readers/writers are old Betas so lets just say that old habits don't die easily. So don't play down or try to eliminate our habit of nagging...in the end it serves a vital purpose. "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.02.03 13:05:00 - [13] "The reasonable person adjusts themself to the world. The unreasonable person asks the world to adjust to them. It follows that all progress comes from unreasonable people" This is the way I live my RL, and the way I play games as well... And you're right, if the game totally sucks, I don't play it... EVE does not totally suck, just some big parts of it do however. There are a lot of things I like about the game, but it is no use to me to point those out, as they do not adversly affect my EVE enjoyment... So generally when I post (me, WhiteDwarf, have to use another account here because I was banned) I post thoughts on the negative things about the game, the things I don't like. CCP does not need happy happy joy joy posts to get a patt on the back, that is what the $12.95/month is for. I'm here to make them aware of the things that are broken, and that suck. Sometimes I have to raise my voice a little bit, just as in RL, to get the attention from whoever I'm trying to school on what the problem is, and what my solution would be... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Cool dude	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:14:00 - [14] Quote: I'm here to make them aware of the things that are broken, and that suck. Sometimes I have to raise my voice a little bit, just as in RL, to get the attention from whoever I'm trying to school on what the problem is, and what my solution would be Ok post me the link to your MMORPG and I shall compare
Juniper	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:22:00 - [15] Quote: Ok post me the link to your MMORPG and I shall compare I think so many people miss the point of 'whining'. Some do it because they can & because they're naturally negative & destructive. They are the minority though I think. The vast majority do it though because they care about EVE, its inhabitants, and what happens to the game as a whole. EVE is a great game IMO, if it were a lager it would probably be the best lager in the world. But it's not perfect. Pretending that it is, or not drawing attention to those little niggles we all find from time to time will ultimately make the game stagnate and grow dull for everyone. Surely that's not what anyone wants? -- Gotta sell my stuff...
Cool dude	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:33:00 - [16] Quote: Pretending that it is, or not drawing attention to those little niggles we all find from time to time will ultimately make the game stagnate and grow dull for everyone. Surely that's not what anyone wants? I do not have a problem with that, indeed is that not what the bug report threads are for? Its the constant, often infantile bleating from the same old people who are convinced that $12 a month makes them CEO of CCP that gets on my threpenny's
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:35:00 - [17] Maybe its my explanation of what I am trying to get accross that is giving the impression I am against critisism. I am guily of doing it myself if I feel there can be a change for the better. But its not the critisism that I am against as I agree, done in the right context it can help to improve things. It is the outright attack on the Devs compitence and ability to get it right that I disagree with. If they were content with how the game was then why add patch's why have a Monthly Q&A why have this forum if not to try and get things right. The game has only got better and better as the Months roll on, and I hope it continues that way. But just keep the grips about the game civil and not as a personal vendetta towards the Devs. Again I am open for critisism. ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:37:00 - [18] Fundimentally chaps, we are all (mainly) intelligent bored gen-X archetpyes in the making. And if the game was a load of rubbish we'd have packed up months ago. It isn't we haven't. So that out of the way, it wouldn't be a bad idea to be a little more objective in overall analysis sometimes. There are some key issues that need resolving to develop the game, but its important that all the knocking stuff doesn't stifle out the actual good stuff that is there. Sometimes I am amazed at what a low profile Eve actually has. Take newsgroups "comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.space-sim" for example. This newsgroup has served the pc gamer community for years and years. It burned with the heat of a thousand suns at the height of the Derek Smart flamewar, it thrilled to the grand old days of I-war, and Freespace, and has existed ever since in a kind of half slumbering daze in the mute expectation of another holy grail amongst space sims ... "multiplayer elite online" ! (the concept not a specific game I hasten to point out) So everytime I take a look at that place it amazes me that I have been playing that game for the last year. Actually playing the thing these chaps have been mumbling about. The only mention Eve seems to get is the occassional guy moaning about the interface or the mining sim bias. There is literally no substantive traffic. I honestly find this strange, because by and large Eve for me is absolutely lovely. Leaping into the game and cruising around I can do pretty much whatever I dreamed about doing back in the 90's with elite. I still marvel at the freedom to do whatever. To buy and sell, to run little conspiracies, to roleplay, to fight, to fiddle with loadouts, to risk blockades, to pursue war enemies or just to chill and have a bit of combat training with friends. Its open-ended and persistant, and after the best part of 9 months I love my character, I love my corp, and I love the history that has built up around the game and cicumstances within it. I honestly can't think of any other game in the world that would let me play a guerilla PR operative from hell and lead an ideological revolution and subsequent fall from progressive direction to reactionary countercoup. Wow! I mean come on, thats pretty special to start with, and then add the best looking graphics engine and a decent backstory and I really can't get too worried about niggling bugs and nonsense I am sure will be resolved. I remain as impressed with Eve now as the first evening I played. its pretty much done all i hoped for and more. And as long as the player base stays fresh and imaginative then I can't see me falling out of love with it for a long while yet. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Kunming	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:39:00 - [19] Quote: Plus in Beta we were encouraged to voice our opinions, good and especially bad ones. I guess most of the forum readers/writers are old Betas so lets just say that old habits don't die easily. Agreed! As an EX-beta, I just realised that I'm posting on the forums since before getting accepted into beta testing. Back then there were 2 forums, the beta and non-beta forums; since the NDA wouldn't allow u to talk about the game on the non-beta forums, almost everything was speculation on that forum. BUT the beta forum was full of HOT dicussions. Back then if someone flamed about something the answer was "You are not a paying customer, we are all just testing the game", but where does the paying customer raise his/her voice? Ofcourse I don't support the childish and non-sense posts but sometimes the community must raise its voice if they are unpleased about EVE. BACK to the topic: yeah I love and support this game. Intercepting since BETA
Miso	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:40:00 - [20] Jade: In the spirit of evolution in Eve, and the persistent game environment, you have been voted out as CEO of Jericho, and replaced with a cyborg monkey called "Noodles". Please clear your desk immediately, and leave all of the clothes you borrowed from Jasmine, in the main lobby. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Pychian Vanervi	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:46:00 - [21] Thanks for the backing Jade, If even had half the brain you do, my point may have been understood. ----------------------------- It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
Cool dude	Posted - 2004.02.03 14:50:00 - [22] Pych fancies Jade!!!!! He loves her he does! Anyway about the childish behavior on the boards.....
Ramsword	Posted - 2004.02.03 15:24:00 - [23] Quote: As an EX-beta, I just realised that I'm posting on the forums since before getting accepted into beta testing. Back then there were 2 forums, the beta and non-beta forums; since the NDA wouldn't allow u to talk about the game on the non-beta forums, almost everything was speculation on that forum. BUT the beta forum was full of HOT dicussions. Back then if someone flamed about something the answer was "You are not a paying customer, we are all just testing the game", but where does the paying customer raise his/her voice? Ofcourse I don't support the childish and non-sense posts but sometimes the community must raise its voice if they are unpleased about EVE. BACK to the topic: yeah I love and support this game. Hehe, yea, I remember those days. Though I have to say I avoided the beta forums like the plague, they were very unfriendly. The public forums was a lot nicer, people didn't fight that much.
Skaz	Posted - 2004.02.03 16:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Skaz on 03/02/2004 16:14:33 Quote: Quote: As an EX-beta, I just realised that I'm posting on the forums since before getting accepted into beta testing. Back then there were 2 forums, the beta and non-beta forums; since the NDA wouldn't allow u to talk about the game on the non-beta forums, almost everything was speculation on that forum. BUT the beta forum was full of HOT dicussions. Back then if someone flamed about something the answer was "You are not a paying customer, we are all just testing the game", but where does the paying customer raise his/her voice? Ofcourse I don't support the childish and non-sense posts but sometimes the community must raise its voice if they are unpleased about EVE. BACK to the topic: yeah I love and support this game. Hehe, yea, I remember those days. Though I have to say I avoided the beta forums like the plague, they were very unfriendly. The public forums was a lot nicer, people didn't fight that much. Don't even start, after I got accepted into beta, and began playing reading both forums was a pain, the hostility on the beta forums could reach lethal proportions and the non-beta forum was so frustrating, seeing everybody discussing and speculating over a thing you knew but couldn't talk about because of the NDA....ahh those where the days "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."
j0sephine	Posted - 2004.02.03 16:32:00 - [25] "Jade: In the spirit of evolution in Eve, and the persistent game environment, you have been voted out as CEO of Jericho, and replaced with a cyborg monkey called "Noodles". Please clear your desk immediately, and leave all of the clothes you borrowed from Jasmine, in the main lobby. " ... Does Noodles have five asses? o.o; (please stand by while the thread develops Stockholm Syndrome...)
Koda	Posted - 2004.02.03 19:00:00 - [26] Edited by: Koda on 03/02/2004 19:02:07 I've been playing since it went retail in the States, something between 8-9 months. I've never seen as many "sky is falling" threads as I did since Castor. I was pumped about the changes and new features but I was in the minority on forums. Apparently there were a lot of vocal people content to continue pushing the feeder bar. Every night when I log in, it's a new game experience. Maybe my corp has a new enemy lurking in our neighborhood. Maybe I'll get offered some rare skill or valuable T2 commodity for an agent. Hell, maybe even all my market goods sold (I love logging in and seeing isk that wasn't there yesterday ). I can genuinely say I love this game and am pleased with the progress it has made. I also say that I enjoy thoughtful criticism from conscientous gamers who obviously want to see the game prosper. By that I mean something other than "This 5ux0r5!!!!111 CCP, keep doing [insert gripe here] and watch your playerbase flock to SWG while your server dries up faster than carrion in the desert sun!" -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Brahma D'Ark	Posted - 2004.02.03 19:58:00 - [27] Thought I would give the perspective of a complete noob, only a week of play and loving every minute of it IÆm always amazed by the help channel and how often someone really goes off on a rant about, well nothing really. I often think that perhaps they are playing a different game. To get to the point, this game is exactly what I have been looking for, for the last 3 years, great graphics and games physics, fantastically engrossing game play, more depth of game play than errrrr something with a lot of depth and guild (corp) and pvp integration into the game that other mmorpg's can only dream about. /emote bows in humility and reverence to the development team
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.03 20:04:00 - [28] Edited by: WhiteDwarf on 03/02/2004 20:05:03 "To get to the point, this game is exactly what I have been looking for, for the last 3 years, great graphics and games physics, fantastically engrossing game play, more depth of game play than errrrr something with a lot of depth and guild (corp) and pvp integration into the game that other mmorpg's can only dream about." Who doesn't feel this way after only a couple weeks of playing a new game? Sorry, but come back and say these things after you've been playing for 9 months. I bet you'll have something to complain about then... "Trust No One"
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.02.03 20:11:00 - [29] This game sucks so hard its unbelivable, must be the worst game ever made thats why I play so much *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.02.03 20:16:00 - [30] WhiteDwarf didnt you quit to try other games and came back ? Must love the game as much as we do, but as we know we always want something more. And if we got everything right away we wouldnt have anything to aim for since we would have anything right away and then we would complane again. And when we would get something new we would power play until we got it, and then complane some more. But in the end we all play it because we love it *Spawn of the Devil*
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.03 20:22:00 - [31] "WhiteDwarf didnt you quit to try other games and came back ?" I left for 2 months, came back because of everyone screaming about how Tech II was gonna be the panacea. I was fooled into not only coming back, but starting another account... I just cancelled both. Unless the game dramatically improves before Feb 24th, I think I may be gone for good this time... "Trust No One"
Jazzatola	Posted - 2004.02.03 20:37:00 - [32] I've been playing since Beta and the game is still Top Banana! I don't mind the whiners as such, after all it's not uncommon on the internet, but it does grate on me when they mistake their own experiences for the experiences of the majority. All in all, we are the game. Eve is just a framework in which to play but some people just don't seem to see things the way I do. IMO the whining reveals more about the whiners than anything else.
Brumpta	Posted - 2004.02.03 21:22:00 - [33] Quote: Who doesn't feel this way after only a couple weeks of playing a new game? Sorry, but come back and say these things after you've been playing for 9 months. I bet you'll have something to complain about then... I doubt it but who knows anything is possible. Still I can hardly post how ill feel about the game in 9 months time now can I?
Astrid Tron	Posted - 2004.02.03 21:31:00 - [34] Hahaha - 'I just came back cuz everyone said T2 was 1337 - I don't like the game one bit!' Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out, White Dwarf! 'I have been here 9 months blahblahblah puke' - so now you are some sort of authority?. Pychian has been here 7! I have been here for 9 months and I still think it is a fantastic game that gives me excitement, challenges and stunningly beautifull gfx. Its not like it's a flawless game - it's just that it is the best there is... Simple as that. I have tried PvP, Trading, R&D, Agent-running, all aspects of the game except extensive mining, and I find it most fulfilling. I have experienced the extreme lag of the pre-castor fleet battles, and I have been catering to obnoxious agents for 6 months in all and never recieved an implant - but I can live with that, 'cause there is so much else to enjoy. And true enough, a happy player like me wouldn't get up and write - but you **** me off, dwarf! You are a waste of CCP processor time and bandwith, so take your whiny subscriptions and your nagging money and disappear. Thank you, White Dwarf, for being so annoying that I got up and wrote this. --------------------------------------------- When you have to kill a man, it takes nothing to be polite
Kutt	Posted - 2004.02.03 21:31:00 - [35] The reason why I love EVE is that it seems to be striving for player freedom with the controls in place of repercussions. This to me is the "Holy Grail" of content. This is the engine that drives perceived meaningful interactions with in the game. I get much more personal satisfaction from getting even with a player that I perceive as an enemy than I ever could doing a dev created quest. I enjoy helping out a new corp member much more than delivering 5 units of blah to the planet blah blah to help agent blah blah blah. The only thing I want from devs is... 1. Communication 2. Game world stability on the client and the server. 2. Expand the playground by allowing more actions, and creating more interesting decisions for the player to make. 3. Level the playing field. If a player chooses to be a villain, allow it. Just give me the ability to take action against them. All of the other stuff beyond that to me gets to be an issue for personal taste. I have seen a lot of posts that claim to represent the community saying that we are desperate for Tech II, more story line, and more expensive items. All of these are nice little additions, but will grow stale the day after implementation. Once content is commonplace it loses most of its value. The purpose of content in an MMORPG is to give context, and not the reason to play. There are single player games that can do a much better job of this. EVE is on the right track. I hope they continue to make steady progress.
GrendelPrime	Posted - 2004.02.03 21:40:00 - [36] Edited by: GrendelPrime on 03/02/2004 22:15:21 RE: White Dwarf Quote: I just cancelled both. Unless the game dramatically improves before Feb 24th, I think I may be gone for good this time... * remembers that if you can't say anything nice... don't say anything at all. "Though you may die, do not give up your honor" -- Miyamoto Musashi
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.04 00:45:00 - [37] "I have been here for 9 months and I still think it is a fantastic game that gives me excitement, challenges and stunningly beautifull gfx" Simple minds... simple pleasures... The gfx wow factor lasted about 1 week for me... Like I said, subscription games need to be held to a higher standard. If you get your jollies from jerking off to the EVE gfx after 9 months, good for you... The game is severly lacking in many categories, many players feel this way, not just me... Good for all of you that think EVE is so fantastic, I'm happy for you... Really, I am... "Trust No One"
Mnemosyne	Posted - 2004.02.04 01:17:00 - [38] I must admit I'm one of the Quiet ones. I only come to the forums when I have a problem, either to ask for help, or look for already posted solutions. I'm busy and happy enough playing EVE that I dont need the forums forums for anything other than technical support. Those who want more out of EVE will always be dispointed comming here trying to find it. EVE has enough to keep any sane mind occupied. IF you're lacking content, then you should get into a Corp that works the way you want, either mining, fighting, exploring, building etc. Thats where the real content is. Player interaction. Nothing the DEV team can do will ever give more realism or content than actually player interaction. So those who feel let down should look harder for player interaction, because otherwise they will never be satisfied. Fly Safe. M -x-
Hodokie Seek	Posted - 2004.02.04 02:59:00 - [39] I got my start in Beta and was there for the grand release. I think the game is still awsome and there are things I run across that still surprise me to this day, POI's and such. One lesson I did learn after release is the more I tried to rush somthing, the more frustrated I got. Now, I just kick back and go with the flow and very much enjoy the game. Give input when asked or if there bugs, other wise, I'm quietly doing my trade routes and being a general pain in the arse to a fiew rats. __________________________________________ Quote: [07:11:41] Hodokie Seek > k, will probably go in my Tristan. [07:12:18] xxxx > tristan? is it a hazardous area? [07:12:27] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:34] xxxx > nuts [07:12:37] Hodokie Seek > Yep [07:12:52] xxxx > wouldn't be so bad, but i'd hate to lose my implants [07:13:06] xxxx > i'll go in my omen /emote Hodokie Seek <---- No implants and no brains.
Miso	Posted - 2004.02.04 09:18:00 - [40] Quote: I must admit I'm one of the Quiet ones. I only come to the forums when I have a problem, either to ask for help, or look for already posted solutions. Wow, you could be describing me... -------------------------------------------- Dead
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.02.04 16:19:00 - [41] Quote: Quote: I must admit I'm one of the Quiet ones. I only come to the forums when I have a problem, either to ask for help, or look for already posted solutions. Wow, you could be describing me... Except you are the biggest forum ***** alive.
Miso	Posted - 2004.02.04 16:32:00 - [42] Lies. -------------------------------------------- Dead
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:08:00 - [43] Quote: I just cancelled both. Unless the game dramatically improves before Feb 24th, I think I may be gone for good this time... Well just go dude but please stop trying to turn eve into a pile of crap in the meantime with endless posts about turning eve into (imo) the sims which seems to be your sole intention. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:17:00 - [44] "Well just go dude but please stop trying to turn eve into a pile of crap in the meantime with endless posts about turning eve into (imo) the sims which seems to be your sole intention" All I asked for was a economy/market system that actually works, not trying to take away anyones precious greifing tactics... I'm not looking to nerf anyone, just looking for more ways a non-combatant can have fun in this game. "Trust No One"
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:19:00 - [45] market works you can become very rich if "you" cant use it to its full thats your problem not the markets
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:22:00 - [46] Quote: "Well just go dude but please stop trying to turn eve into a pile of crap in the meantime with endless posts about turning eve into (imo) the sims which seems to be your sole intention" All I asked for was a economy/market system that actually works, not trying to take away anyones precious greifing tactics... I'm not looking to nerf anyone, just looking for more ways a non-combatant can have fun in this game. OK, my mistake, I must have misread the intention in some of your posts. It has been a long day for me. sigh dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:22:00 - [47] "if "you" cant use it to its full thats your problem not the markets" I'm not looking for market scams... "Trust No One"
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:23:00 - [48] techell made fat isk through honest trade not scams why cant you?
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2004.02.04 17:40:00 - [49] "techell made fat isk through honest trade not scams why cant you?" I have not traded in a while, but the speed nerfs on indy's has made travel unbearable for me, I don't think I could do it for more than a few hours b4 I would puke. Besides, I got caught up in the whole research thing, because that is what my character was initially created for. Agent missions have about bored the **** outta me, and my RA has asked me for nearly 1000 homeless. Sorry, but that ain't fun either... I would like the items on the market to actually mean something, not just there as piles of crap to transfer from station to another for small profit while actually being in danger from the weak assed gate NPC's because you're indy is nerfed all to hell... I've done everything in this game except PvP, nothing gives me satisfaction or sense of accomplishment... I view PvP as too costly, I'm a loner, so recouping my loses from fighting is about the last thing I want to get into... "Trust No One"
olyyy	Posted - 2004.02.04 18:44:00 - [50] Quote: Agent missions have about bored the **** outta me, and my RA has asked me for nearly 1000 homeless. Sorry, but that ain't fun either... woa... they make tech 2 bps with homeless Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )

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