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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:46:00 -
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 Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Originally by: DarkElf
no offence but it doesn't really matter what u personally think. no it is NOT an exploit. It is however considered rather lame by most respectable corps so i wouldn't recommend getting into those tactics if you're trying to create a good rep for ur corp.
DE
Sorry darkelf but veto did exactly this on the old man star gate in ladistier only 5 days ago. but this was uber gank....no less than 15 pilots.
Call me a liar if you like, but i and a few others know what we seen 
GRENADIER, Sorry but I gotta chime in here.
You've accused Veto Corp of pulling log in traps without any basis for accusation, no evidence and no consistant story.
Fact of the matter is that what you've said about us in the past week or so has been total crap. You've done little but flame everyone, at every opportunity you've had on this section of the forums for the last few days.
Those who deal with us know Veto Corp's stance on Logging off/Log on traps and know for a fact that we would be fifteen pilots lighter on the roster if what you were claiming was true.
Now, people also know from working with myself and my corp that I don't make false accusations and I back up EVERYTHING I claim with any evidence I can get hold of.
I have something to point out.
August 9th, Ladistier, 21:12 Eve Time (Approximatley), The same time you claimed we pulled a log in trap on you in that other thread?
Please Review This Video to see our gang travelling through Onne and Aeschee on our way to intercept yours, and waiting on the gate for you to jump.
Also please note the fact that yourself and best part of your gang LOG OFF IN COMBAT OR UNDER CLOAK AT THE GATE ON JUMP IN when you realise that we're there.
(we've included a slow motion close up of your ship (a Myrmidon) if you're in doubt of your actions to back up our point)
You're accusing people of things they haven't done in game and attacking corporations and people for no valid reason, then pulling the same type of lame tactics you're trying to lambast people for.
Don't take this as smack, because it's not. This is defense of my corp members. I don't sit idle and let people try to tarnish the corporate reputation we've spent almost two years building together as an ingame family of friends.
Sorry mate, but your double standards don't cut it and your completely transparent claims are blatent tripe.
Cold. Hard. Fact.
Veto. Together as one.
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iiOs
The Cry of Mankind
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:49:00 -
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ohnoes
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Cosmo Cramer
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Originally by: DarkElf
no offence but it doesn't really matter what u personally think. no it is NOT an exploit. It is however considered rather lame by most respectable corps so i wouldn't recommend getting into those tactics if you're trying to create a good rep for ur corp.
DE
Sorry darkelf but veto did exactly this on the old man star gate in ladistier only 5 days ago. but this was uber gank....no less than 15 pilots.
Call me a liar if you like, but i and a few others know what we seen
GRENADIER, Sorry but I gotta chime in here.
You've accused Veto Corp of pulling log in traps without any basis for accusation, no evidence and no consistant story.
Fact of the matter is that what you've said about us in the past week or so has been total crap. You've done little but flame everyone, at every opportunity you've had on this section of the forums for the last few days.
Those who deal with us know Veto Corp's stance on Logging off/Log on traps and know for a fact that we would be fifteen pilots lighter on the roster if what you were claiming was true.
Now, people also know from working with myself and my corp that I don't make false accusations and I back up EVERYTHING I claim with any evidence I can get hold of.
I have something to point out.
August 9th, Ladistier, 21:12 Eve Time (Approximatley), The same time you claimed we pulled a log in trap on you in that other thread?
Please Review This Video to see our gang travelling through Onne and Aeschee on our way to intercept yours, and waiting on the gate for you to jump.
Also please note the fact that yourself and best part of your gang LOG OFF IN COMBAT OR UNDER CLOAK AT THE GATE ON JUMP IN when you realise that we're there.
(we've included a slow motion close up of your ship (a Myrmidon) if you're in doubt of your actions to back up our point)
You're accusing people of things they haven't done in game and attacking corporations and people for no valid reason, then pulling the same type of lame tactics you're trying to lambast people for.
Don't take this as smack, because it's not. This is defense of my corp members. I don't sit idle and let people try to tarnish the corporate reputation we've spent almost two years building together as an ingame family of friends.
Sorry mate, but your double standards don't cut it and your completely transparent claims are blatent tripe.
Cold. Hard. Fact.
Veto. Together as one.
I actually read this post in the other thread. There is only one thing to say for Mr. Simpson...
PWNED...
 
Verone ftw!
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
HighTech Marines Ltd.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:52:00 -
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<3 Veto 
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Black Emper0r
Schola.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:52:00 -
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Guess someone is about to quit EVE out of shame...
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jnky
Obsidian Inc.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:53:00 -
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Owned
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:59:34
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:57:46
log in traps. They
+get kills
+aren't considered an Exploit
-labeled as lame by a few
WTF is the problem. They get kills through in-game means. Why do people label everything good that works as "lame". Log-in traps, using agression "station hugging", nanoships.
The entire point of PVP in this game is to get kills without loss. These things are the prime examples of this. If it works, isn't an exploit, and doesn't abuse people's gained trust over time "corp thieft" i say do it.
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 17:58:00 -
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Epic thread.
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Vodun
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 18:05:00 -
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booyah.
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Beastoria
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 18:38:00 -
[10]
Edited by: Beastoria on 13/08/2007 18:38:40
First page
Oh and I love Veto ... they do everything they do with honours.
Just like me
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 18:58:23
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics??? Please point out when i have. I clearly reacted to a flase comment made by a veto corp member.
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Selbstopfer
Mutually Assured Distraction
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:02:00 -
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How utterly pathetic.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
Still incorrect.
Our gang was in the system the whole time. Your guys logged, as seen in the video. Several then died.
Our guys stayed in system, they saw you log back in then log a second time when you realised they were still there. You warped past them on the gate to the point of being 300km away then Emergency-warped while logged off away from the gate again before we could get anyone close enough to tackle you.
No one from our corp pulled a log in trap, plain and simple.
Jump in... ohnoes... logoffski under cloak to vanish in time (a few of your guys actually uncloaked and we got them agressed before they logged), then the old log in log out trick to make sure you don't come back to the gate.
It's laughable really given the fact you're picking on other people for borderline explot tactics on these forums.
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Major Dods
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 18:58:23
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics??? Please point out when i have. I clearly reacted to a flase comment made by a veto corp member.
Give it up, though im sure you can go lower.
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Lydia Browm
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 18:58:23
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics??? Please point out when i have. I clearly reacted to a flase comment made by a veto corp member.
Hang on here for a second, persume for a second this was a log on trap, they would have to have someone in system to tell htem when to log on and you yourself said no one was in system.
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Killde
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:07:00 -
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So... it's okay for an anti pirate corp to use log tactics but not the pirates? I.... See....
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:07:00 -
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I must say, i've never known of or heard of Veto pulling such a stunt. In-fact, in all of our previous engagements, we've had quite a pleasant time.
Veto has an impeccable track record, of which I even considered joining them.
Veto is in my top 5 of Honorable and effective Pirate corps. <3 (A close 2nd to Infod :p)
and no, DE didn't ransom me into posting this.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
Let me just say, I don't lie, and if I am mistaken, and I have been in the past, I own up to it. As I did when I was mistaking some Vigil people for some other guys that we killed. Frankly, I was kinda hammered and it was late, and I was recalling a very similar but completley different bunch of pilots.
That being said, you're now having to clarify and qualify a statement that you made that appeared to be completely clear and watertight, but Verone has now shot all sorts of holes all through it.
Isn't that fun is it? Having to be a goddamn lawyer every time you open your mouth on the forums.
I could be a jerk and call you a **LIAR**, and go on and on about how you lie and you tell stories and blah blah blah. But I'm not going to, because I'm not an ass like that.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now?
[07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
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Centinel 6
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:11:00 -
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I am pretty new to this game. But in the year I have played, and MANY of those times side by side with VETO in various campaignes, I can say, for myself AND TBR I have never seen nor heard of VETO pulling "log in traps".
I understand I am a "unheard of" in this game but I fly and have flown with these guys and I can honestly they hold to their rules and regulations.
As a RL soldier, Honor applies to everything in life. Its your "word". It may not mean anything to some people, but to those who live by it and those who understand and respect it
it means a lot.
C6
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:12:00 -
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Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
Listen mate I havnt called you or anyone else for these tactics. this is what im trying to say. I havnt flamed you for pulling a log in trap all i have said is that you did. I know this and my squad know this.
So congrats on the video evidence of me logging off in cloak (which i have never called or denied). So call me all you like on here mate i havnt denied doing this. Although i will say this is the first time i have done it.
Im only sorry i wasnt frapsing at the time when i logged back on.
Incidently is it shown on your video 1 minutes after i logged? I will look now.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
It would appear so, considering your covert ops pilot would have had to be as blind as a bat to miss the FIFTEEN RED FLASHING SQUARES waiting on the jump in for your gang, which jumped in oblivious anyway and proceeded to log off.
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Vodun
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:21:00 -
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Kind of just trying to save some face now aren't you?
I mean, it's clear that Veto has a number of supporters, and it's widely known that Veto are honorable pilots, but who are you?
I see you want to accuse a respectable corp and leader or doing something without any proof but your word, which, if anyone knew who you were might hold some weight, but the fact is, we all know Veto and Verone, and we know from expereience that they're quite honorable.
So imo, I would recommend that instead of making ridiculous accusations towards a respected corp, you just be on your merry way and believe what you wish to believe.
I don't think you'll find any supporters here, and the most you're going to accomplish by these tales, is more people are going to dislike you, as it's obvious they surely don't believe you.
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:23:00 -
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I asked the cov ops pilot to come in from hevrice where another squad was busy with war targets. He was there a.s.a.p.
When he arrived he told me on vent its clear to log back in. I did only one red in system thenblam the blob was back. Now we can argue about this allday mate.
Also how did you know where we were coming from? just interested thats all.
And btw it was my scout in old man star that f*cked up and led us into your blob camp. Maybe i should question wether this was done intentionally. But thats another story.
Anyway i cant see this going anywhere as i cant prove you did what i said you did. My squad and cov ops and alliance know. thats all that matters.
P.S my alliance heads were not pleased with me telling the squad to log. But they werent in charge at the time i was!!!
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:30:00 -
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To vodun above...
Im not after any supporters here. Im merely defending myself.
Also i keep hearing the words "RESPECT" and "HONOUR". My f*cking god those words are meant for real life family and friends. THIS IS A GAME!!!!!!
Fly Safe o7
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:30:00 -
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I must say you have some huge balls. To accuse Veto of pulling a log on trap while at the same time boasting about how you told your squad to log to keep them alive
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Also how did you know where we were coming from? just interested thats all.
It wasmy scout in old man star that f*cked up and led us into your blob camp. Maybe i should question wether this was done intentionally.
Lets just say we knew where you were coming from. If you want to question why you were lead into our gang, please feel free to do so, that's not our issue.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
P.S my alliance heads were not pleased with me telling the squad to log. But they werent in charge at the time i was!!!
It's for your alliance leaders to decide on their policy. If one of my pilots made that call, he'd be in Caldari Provisions hauling Wheat and Livestock to Jita for a living by now.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
My squad and cov ops and alliance know. thats all that matters.
What your alliance thinks of us doesn't really matter after the display you showed in that engagment. We held a fair amount of respect for The Vigil until their members started publically lambasting us with fabricated crap and logging off in combat.
Next time you want to take a swipe at someone, make sure you're telling the truth and you can back up what you're saying.
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Vodun
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vodun on 13/08/2007 19:36:33
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
To vodun above...
Im not after any supporters here. Im merely defending myself.
Also i keep hearing the words "RESPECT" and "HONOUR". My f*cking god those words are meant for real life family and friends. THIS IS A GAME!!!!!!
Fly Safe o7
I'm not sure where you learned english but the definition of both, respect and honor, apply to anything in life. Just because you're playing a game doesn't mean you cannot respect another player, and it doesn't mean said players don't play with honor. I think you're being a little one-sided in your views. Just because it's a game doesn't mean the words stop having meaning.
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:43:00 -
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Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7 
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Zachariah Barnette
Caldari
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zachariah Barnette on 13/08/2007 19:49:29
I heart Veto
/me waves
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
This explains a lot from our engagement lastweek.
Originally by: T'Renn
In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.
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Vodun
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Vodun on 13/08/2007 19:48:28
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
Before you make more of a fool of yourself, may I recommend you look up the definition of both words (dictionary.com works well). Comprehend the meaning of the words before commenting again, otherwise you'll just be digging a bigger hole.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:48:00 -
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Way to make a joke out of your entire corp and alliance Simpson.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:52:00 -
[32]
Veto > You.
Plain and simple 
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Viper ShizzIe
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tomas Ysidro
Way to make a joke out of your entire corp and alliance Simpson.
Truth, tbh.
Same with DubanFP and D-L, to an extent.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
You're wrong.
X2.
It is completely possible to have honor and respect in a virtual environment. Your above statement alone shows your character and mentality. Very weak.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now?
[07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:55:00 -
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I will say this then leave this thread for you to flame or whatever.
I know for a fact and a few others in my alliance that VETO did pull a log on trap.
I openly admit telling my squad to log off. My choice nobody elses.
Your video of my squad logging means nothing, this is a thread about you pulling a log on trap isnt it? I have not flamed you for any actions just stated that you did it.
Also people saying now that respect and honor can be achieved over a computer game are f*cking sad...get a life.
So thats me done for now in here. If only i had fraps this would of been so much different. But nvm its just a game
Fly safe o7
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
I know for a fact and a few others in my alliance that VETO did pull a log on trap.
Originally by: Verone
What your alliance thinks of us doesn't really matter after the display you showed in that engagment. We held a fair amount of respect for The Vigil until their members started publically lambasting us with fabricated crap and logging off in combat.
Bai.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Vodun
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
I will say this then leave this thread for you to flame or whatever.
I know for a fact and a few others in my alliance that VETO did pull a log on trap.
I openly admit telling my squad to log off. My choice nobody elses.
Your video of my squad logging means nothing, this is a thread about you pulling a log on trap isnt it? I have not flamed you for any actions just stated that you did it.
Also people saying now that respect and honor can be achieved over a computer game are f*cking sad...get a life.
So thats me done for now in here. If only i had fraps this would of been so much different. But nvm its just a game
Fly safe o7
What saddens me is prideful ignorance. Good luck with your game. I suspect you'll need it.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:08:00 -
[38]
Veto almost wiped out a gang I was leading Saturday night. We passed through what Ican only assume was their base of operations. 22 or so Veto in local to our 8-person gang.
I'm thinking, "Okay, folks, let's step lively and hope that they take a while to scramble." So we move on, and as one of my gangmates is saying, "I don't think they'll pursue," we notice that a single Veto pilot keeps entering the sytem right before we leave. I give the order to hold up just a moment so we can swat the pursuer and move on. Whoops, he's in a Cheetah and whoops, all of his friends are right behind him.
Fortunately, I (in a Vulture) and one of the battleships (Rohk) had reapproached the gate a bit by the time they arrived (which was very soon after the Cheetah entered the system). Even more fortunately, the Veto gang called the Rohk primary (he was already on the gate by then) and when they realized that he was in jump range, they fired at me. I was able to let them pound on me long enough to ensure that the rest of the gang was safely away and then I slid the rest of the way into jump range and made my own escape.
So, aside from a bit of bad luck with their target calling (which enabled us to escape with no losses), Veto did a fine job of pursuing us (with a scramble that was all-but instantaneous) and if we had been a bit less lucky, we would have easily lost a half dozen ships.
The moral of the story is that Veto is good enough that don't need to use login traps or any other metagame craptle. And if they don't need it, why bother?
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Portios Smith
DNR
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:11:00 -
[39]
Damn, I know there are exceptions but why is it that declared anti-pirates are some of the lamest people to play this game and disgrace these forums with their crap.
Hey Homer! me thinks is in you best interest to STFU and crawl in to a cave, take spiderpig with you.
This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:14:00 -
[40]
Veto 4tw
Originally by: CYVOK
...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****.
-CYVOK-
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Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:15:00 -
[41]
I'm sorry Mr. Simpson that your view on life is so limited. Everything you do affects others, yes even in a game. Especially this game, which is one that is played by thousands of people at the same time. Do you have brothers or sisters..maybe children?
When they play games together, does it not affect them. Yes it is make believe, but in your words "its just a game". Does time stop when you are playing Eve or something? No, real life continues foward with or without you. Alot of the people in this game I have had the HONOR of meeting in real life..and actions you have taken for or against them will affect slightly how they react towards you and whether or not the RESPECT you. Believe it or not, videogames allow our subconcious, our egos, our TRUE SELVES to be manifested, because it is an outlet for all the things real life society doesn't allow. So if you are a pirate or you just like to kill things, maybe thats what you wish you could do in real life..but because of society you just wouldn't go out and do it. So even in this virtual world of ours called Eve there are such things as Honor, and Respect....
Sorry for the longish post...hope you guys can decipher the post...i'm tired
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:18:00 -
[42]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
To vodun above...
Im not after any supporters here. Im merely defending myself.
Also i keep hearing the words "RESPECT" and "HONOUR". My f*cking god those words are meant for real life family and friends. THIS IS A GAME!!!!!!
Fly Safe o7
You are, hands down, the most pathetic individual to ever claim the status of anti-pirate. Not only have you managed to match the Cyrene Initiative for sucking, you have hereby trumped their noob prowess.
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Portios Smith
Damn, I know there are exceptions but why is it that declared anti-pirates are some of the lamest people to play this game and disgrace these forums with their crap.
As a new guy to the "anti-pirate" scene, I must agree. I hope I can help change that.
btw o/ Portios
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Blake Rausten
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:22:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Blake Rausten on 13/08/2007 20:23:42
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:22:00 -
[45]
I swear that pirates use their alt accounts to give anti-pirates a bad name posting this drivel... 
Merc Blog
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Allota Fajina
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:27:00 -
[46]
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Dei
Amarr
Guiders' Of Light
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:28:00 -
[47]
Well even though Veto most likely didn't pull the 'log-in' trap at all, is there an extended fraps of the even that goes all the way up to the end of the engagement?
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:30:00 -
[48]
Veto pawnzorz you. Respect Verone.
And simpson why dig yourself deeper into a hole with false accusations.
Hush now, hush.
kthnx
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Jogvan
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:33:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tomas Ysidro
Way to make a joke out of your entire corp and alliance Simpson.
Indeed...I was friendly to the vigil people a while back before the official alliance and there were some great folks in there that I flew with, a shame they let people like simpson ruin whatever respect they got.
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xHoodx
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:34:00 -
[50]
As you are the accuser I would think the burden of providing evidence would lie at your feet, simpson. Why should I trust the word of a person, who admittedly has no qualms about doing something I consider underhanded (logging off to escape combat after jumpin), not to do more stuff I'd consider underhanded like for example wrongly accusing an enemy of foul play?
I don't know you well enough to simply take your word for it... Prove to me your words carry any weight at all on this matter.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:35:00 -
[51]
Thread delivers 1000x
Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales
Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:42:00 -
[52]
Awesome graphics guys.lol
Thanx for taking time out to do them. And also is there extended fraps of the engagement? Surely you didnt stop recording just there as you stated you were still active in the system when i logged back on 1 minute later.
Please link this!!!
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:46:00 -
[53]
Good lord, how many brands of stupid are you made of?
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:48:00 -
[54]
Eve needs more bloodcurdling screams.
I think spaceships that log in should emit a bloodcurdling scream.
10 to 20 guys log in, sounds like Thanksgiving at a cannibalĘs house.
BOOYAH!
(What the hell does BOOYAH mean?)
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Naphtalia
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:48:00 -
[55]
Veto. doesn't do login traps, hence you lie. (full stop)
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IzzyChan
Naqam
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:49:00 -
[56]
Ohmaigawd.
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:51:00 -
[57]
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 20:52:59
Im just thinking how many veto are laughing at you guys stating "veto dont do log in traps".
Verone please link the unedited version of the fraps please. Strange how it suddenly just ends there with me logging, and you still active.
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:00:00 -
[58]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 20:52:59
Im just thinking how many veto are laughing at you guys stating "veto dont do log in traps".
Verone please link the unedited version of the fraps please. Strange how it suddenly just ends there with me logging, and you still active.
lol do you know how fraps works? He'd need his own webserver and one hell of a line to upload 100's of MB's if not GB's of raw footage.
As someone said before, it's the accuser who must provide the evidence.
Otherwise I could call you an iskbuyer and have you banned (and believe me, I want to).
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:06:00 -
[59]
Please dont...lol
I once got told not to get involved with the forum *****s..lol
Now i see why. Well edited vid verone shame it didnt go on for a minute later.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:12:00 -
[60]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Please dont...lol
I once got told not to get involved with the forum *****s..lol
Now i see why. Well edited vid verone shame it didnt go on for a minute later.
Yes, that's the way to get out of another one of your mistakes. Simply start calling the other party a liar again.
[07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now?
[07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2
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pyrofox
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:13:00 -
[61]
Logging out is so lame and basically means your not playing the game....
Fixing sec on a toon at the mo and there is 1 particular drake in 0.0 who insta logs as soon as i enter
system...
Loggers should burn in hell then be made to sit on t.s with loganberry muffin man for say 10 minutes.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:15:00 -
[62]
If you're flying by yourself and jump into a gate camped by ebil people...and log out...
Can we call that a one-man login trap?
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Kamenwati
The Corpse Collectors
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:18:00 -
[63]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
I will say this then leave this thread for you to flame or whatever.
First smart thing you have said TBH. It's pretty rare to see somebody dig themselves deeper and deeper with every post they make, but you have managed to do so. Congrats and whatnot.
I'm sure your alliance is beaming with pride at having an admitted logger among them who openly sneers at anybody having a desire to maintain their in game reputation. You see, what you obviously don't understand is that "honor" and "respect" aren't just terms that apply to the real world. Your actions in game are all we have to go on to judge your character (and the people who would associate with you) by. Based on your own words, and open sneering admission to utilizing game mechanics that the vast majority of Eve players regard as utterly lame, I can't say as I think much about either your actions, or the in game you. In the real world you might be a swell guy, I don't know, but I do know that I don't like or approve of the in game you. Comprende?
Like it or not, your actions and words also reflect poorly on both your corp and alliance. Somehow I doubt your alliance leadership shares in your sneering contempt of having honor and earning respect within Eve, making accusations without proof, and openly admitting that you log off in combat. At least I hope it doesn't.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:24:00 -
[64]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 20:52:59
Im just thinking how many veto are laughing at you guys stating "veto dont do log in traps".
Verone please link the unedited version of the fraps please. Strange how it suddenly just ends there with me logging, and you still active.
I thought you were leaving?
And by the way, I rule you.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:39:00 -
[65]
Man I love posts with proof. Especially when it shows some smug anti-pie who comments on someone elses tactics pulling a supremely weak tactic such as logoffski while cloaked.
It just doesn't add up the way simpson explained it. You jumped into a wall of 15 Veto that you claim was a login trap? That would have to be some insane piece of timing for them to all log in, re-warp back to gate and be ready the exact moment you guys jumped over.
Now had you said something like you jumped in to see a baited BS or two and then you saw them warping in from various directions, I could almost believe you. I say almost because I would believe a Veto member over any anti-pie person I've met in game.
Without any screenies or vids to back up your claims it's a very weak claim at best. With Verone posting a video of your weak logoffski in cloak, it's the nail in the coffin as far as your character or reputation is concerned, regardless of if you deny or admit to doing it. Admitting it doesn't make it any less weak or you any more upstanding.
Perhaps I misread your flames incorrectly in the original posting, but I don't think so.
Your corp and alliance should really give you the boot for shaming them with your pathetic antics. I hope Veto blows you up many times over. 
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:42:00 -
[66]
You were on pretty much all of out address books after the forum smack and the log off trick. We knew as soon as you logged on, you'd warp straight back to the Old Man Star gate in Ladistier. You logged on once, we jumped through and you dropped out of warp 300km from the gate, before logging off a second time. We left local once again and went about our business in Old Man Star, when we saw you log on a again. We all warped to the Ladistier Gate and jumped through.
[ 2007.08.09 21:35:50 ] (notify) Following [SOMEONE in warp
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[ 2007.08.09 21:39:39 ] (None) Jumping to Stargate (Old Man Star) in Ladistier solarsystem
I personally didn't jump through in time to see you warp away. Some of the gang did, though they didn't manage to lock you in time, or were out of Warp Disrupt range.
I'm not sure if you believe what you're claiming or if you're simply too embarrassed to admit you're wrong. I dunno... Check your game logs or something.
Stargates - The new Log-in TrapÖ
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
[67]
Veto does not do login traps. They've been 100% honorable pilots as far as I've ever been able to tell, and I've liked every single member I've come across. Oh, and tell your boys (Blaze White in particular) to post their losses. Thanks.
Oh, and just FYI:
Quote:
A good name is to be more desired than great wealth, Favor is better than silver and gold.
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
[68]
EVE is a login trap.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:44:00 -
[69]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPLETON
Stargates - The new Log-in TrapÖ
Stargates and log in traps look a lot alike when you're inept.
And by the way, I rule you.
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Lindsay Bluth
War-Mart
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:46:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Lindsay Bluth on 13/08/2007 21:51:07
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPLETON
Poast with yoar main
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:07:00 -
[71]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Adding people to your buddylist is awesome at telling you when to go back and kill a person who pulled a logoffski.
Also your covops pilot can't watch the surrounding systems.
Honestly, comparing your 'evidence' to Verone's, I just have one thing to say to you.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:10:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
It would appear so, considering your covert ops pilot would have had to be as blind as a bat to miss the FIFTEEN RED FLASHING SQUARES waiting on the jump in for your gang, which jumped in oblivious anyway and proceeded to log off.
I wonder if his cov-ops had removed neutrals from overview (thus removing everyone) and didn't have your gang listed.
Also, WTB elite Veto login-instantly-to-position ability. Nice lack of login warp delay, I'll take it?
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vasco di
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:21:00 -
[73]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
So thats me done for now in here
So why tf are you still here?
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.13 22:29:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Lithalnas on 13/08/2007 22:29:05
Veto's stance on accusations of logoffski's
Yarr
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Marcathonas
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:00:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Marcathonas on 13/08/2007 23:01:52
Oh heriom, you card
By card I mean smacktalking ctrl-q monkey. Much love.
Incidentally, perhaps making sure your covops pilots are in the correct system will help you next time?
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:06:00 -
[76]
Veto > you
I've known Verone for nearly two years and he would do many horrible unspoken things to anyone that logged in combat, then they would get booted from corp
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:11:00 -
[77]
Jesus, you guys utterly forum raped him. 0.o
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D0INK
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:28:00 -
[78]
Hey guys! Am I late to the party? LOL
I swear, when I read all the posts, it felt like I walked into the apartment of a *****victim.
Pity you didn't use a standard VIGIL WCS fit to save the day.
P.S. Veto is made of Epic win.
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Mr Floppyknickers
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:35:00 -
[79]
Here's the bottom line cats and kittens...
Verone and Veto: A known CEO and corp. that for many years has conducted itself in such a way that they have a reputation that is well established for not engaging in poor sportsmanship of any kind. They may be effective killers, but when you deal with them you know exactly the treatment you will receive. A ransom taken, they will honor it. An agreement reached, will be upheld. A corp. where should any member betray this noble doctrine, said member will be sent from the corp. in disgrace, shame, and dishonor, not to mention the sound of an exploding ship.
Grenaidersimpson: has admitted he sees nothing wrong about engaging in dishonorable conduct, even to the point of claiming one cannot be decent, honorable, or upstanding in a video game. Reminding all who read his posts, which boast all of the intelligence and grace of an embittered rottweiler, of your average internet asshat who likes to do anything they can to provoke, irritate, troll, and attack anyone who is decent because behind the veil of the nameless net there are few repercussions and it grants them what they most covet: attention.
Grenaidersimpson, you have made an accusation and used nothing but your words to back them up. Words, it has come to be revealed, that have less value than a load of fetid dingoĘs kidneys. Had you proven yourself a man of character, this discussion might have had a hope of going in your favor, providing you had actual evidence that is. Unfortunately for you, that has not happened. You have displayed to all that you lack the very strength of character you try to accuse veto of lacking.
Verone has presented fact, and a reputation beyond reproach.
Sorry, but you lose this round of the discussion. However, you have managed to prove yourself ruler of the forum asshat brigade, well-done sir. As I write this I know you will not understand it, or even if you didthat you would pretend not to, but how one conducts themselves in any public venue be it walking down the street, sitting in a theatre, or playing a video game speaks volumes as to their character, or lack thereof.
Now a little personal interjection. When you jump into a gate camp full of nasty hostiles your options should only be as follows: Fight (and possibly die, or possibly win, you have to try to find out) or run back through the gate or escape into the system. You never log out, ever. I would rather lose my ship and not lose the respect of my peers, my corp., or my friends.
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Neo Rainhart
Caldari
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:43:00 -
[80]
This thread deliver/-s, -ed. And so does Veto.
Yes im a fanboi 
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50freefly
Caldari
Karma Kompany
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:45:00 -
[81]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
Gren, I don't like this post. That's the whole point of being antipirate, upholding honor and stuff. If we don't have that then what differentiates us from people who don't honor ransoms?
Originally by: Eight Ace
For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:50:00 -
[82]
Gren i did say, dont accuse Veto of anything like this before you speak to Verone about it.
Veto hold alot of respect in Eve, you calling basically one of the more well known, respected and honest pirates in eve just aint clever, wont win you any friends as you can see from the thread.
If Veto members did in fact do such a thing and you had proof, there would be x amount of members short on the Veto membership.
Thread delivers though.
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DruzidelCastro
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:41:00 -
[83]
I...you...but...words just cannot express what I have witnessed reading this thread. You pulled the trigger, shot your foot, and just kept pulling the trigger Gren; crazy masochists :(
I must say though, VGL are a little more upstanding than this - Gren certainly doesn't speak for all of them (though I doubt it makes even a little bit of difference now that the damage has been done). Only one word can describe this:
Oops.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:05:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
You're wrong.
you are awesome with your one-liners
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:24:00 -
[85]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Im not sure where your from then mate but in my life respect has to be EARNED. If people can earn your respect from a spaceship game then...i dont know. Good luck.
Also Honor cannot be achieved over a computer. Once again if you feel it can then you are sadly dis illusioned.
Thats all i have to say about that. If someone can tell me im wrong then do it!!!!
Fly safe o7
Yes, respect must be earned and can be even in a game. So can honor be achieved in a game.. its all about actions. How you present yourself and the actions you take and what you stand for. If you act in an honorable way well you are.. now as in the game aspect you well may be an honorable person in RL and choose not to be in the game. That is up for the person to decide. Why people forget there are real people behind the pixils is beyond me. Why is it such a bad thing bringing morals into a game? Old saying goes.. treat people how yourself would like to be treated.. good saying.
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Khorian
Gallente
Excidium.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:33:00 -
[86]
If you bring morale into the game, you gotta stop killing people, because killing people is wrong (in most societies).
Honor in MMO's, even tho some people claim it doesnt exist (goons), is a strong part of the expirience. However you want to call it, every action you do will provoke a reaction. The way you act towards the people you play with influences how they percieve you.
We don't know you personally or in real life. All we know is your Avatar and how you act with it. That is what we build our opinion about you on. You will have to live with the consequences of your doings in the game. Those can be totally different from your real life.
You can be the most honorable, friendly guy IRL, and at the same time be a ruthless pod killing, ransom dishonoring pirate.
Profiling yourself in EvE is in essence why YOU play this game. You constantly compare yourself to other players etc. You maybe want to be respected, or feared, or hated and thats how you play.
Without Respect/Honor whatever you may call it, playing MMOs is a blank expirience.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:08:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Khorian
If you bring morale into the game, you gotta stop killing people, because killing people is wrong (in most societies).
Wait a sec... you mean to say people dont really fall over dead when you pew pew the pod?!?
and all this time... damn!
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:19:00 -
[88]
All of a sudden I feel desperately sorry for the rest of your corp whos reputation and honour has just been literally and figuratively crushed :/
I hope theyre able to distance themselves from your odd brand of hypocrisy as quickly as possible :)
Its times like this that make me realise the futility of cloning vats....
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hellsknights
Phoenix Navy
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 04:04:00 -
[89]
I think mister Simpson is gonna have a rough few weeks in game..
I was not there, but i tend to believe Verone, Veto corp has the
respect of pirates and carebears alike.
If any Veto goes back on their word IE {ransoms} they wont be in Veto to long.
I love it when someone accuses another, the accused comes to his defence and the
accuser has nothing left to say. {if that makes any sense}
Well from now on, we all know to only believe a fraction of what Simpson says,
plain and simple.
Hells
Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates. |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.14 04:51:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Lithalnas
Veto's stance on accusations of logoffski's
Yarr
That's... disturbing.
On topic:
The regard of honour and respect is held highly through eve. From the lowliest miner to the Alliance executor (assuming it's not a corp management specced alt), honour and respect can often define many factors in the growth, development, success and business of any corporation, be it in RL (real life omg), or in Eve.
Veto. has based its image as a respectful corporation that works within decorum parameters that a large majority of the playerbase (as evident in this unusually large thread) find honourable and trustworthy. As pirates, a large part of their desirable income actually comes from the fact that if they ransom someone, the ransomee has to trust the word of the pirate - that they'll stay alive - or they'll not pay. Quiet simple.
If Veto. did not keep up their trustworthy image, they'd simply lose the trust of their victims and by in part, a large failsafe part of their income, or what makes them pirates in the first place: The Bounty.
Now while you find such things as honour and trust frivalous and needless in a computer game, I assure you, from the lowest ganker, to the highest echelons of corporate management, you'll find thousands of players in EVE (gosh), who find such trust and honour as a breathe of fresh air among the dredges that exist... well, in your alliance, according to your own statements:
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
I openly admit telling my squad to log off. My choice nobody elses.
Indeed. But while you consider it 'just part of the game', many people - and I'm surrounded by them in this thread - consider your style of gameplay to be fairly below contempt.
But as you've said. Your alliance leaders weren't happy, but they weren't the one giving the commands. HOWEVER, their alliance is now the one facing up to public scrutiny. An FC who's not above logging off in combat to save his arse? What will he do next? Steal from corporate hangars? After all... it's just a game...
And yet, we come to the final crux of the debate here, shared with my honourable and trustworthy fellows here: Veto's Word.
As I'm sure I pointed out earlier, Veto's position in this game has been well established after Verone first made his statements that he would not tollerate his corporation going below such measures you're obviously willing to employ in your attempt to 'win' this computer game. He's worked for 3 years at least, to make sure he doesn't employ people in Veto who would lean in your direction (we call it 'logoffski' out in the sticks). And from this, many business partners and victims of ransom have actually been able to pay and survive a successful Veto transaction.
This is because of Veto's Honour
This is because of Veto's Trust
This is because there's actually people who employ such attributes to run a successful corporation for over 3 years in this ongoing MMORPG (that looks to only get better).
So while you're looking at that log in screen, contemplating what camp you might have just 'logoffskied' against this time, maybe you could find it within yourself to not be an idiot and slate a very well respected corporation in Eve. Then maybe, you won't make your Alliance look rediculous in the public eye and shame your entire corporation.
Finally, to finish something that simply wouldn't stop rolling (aka this post) I'd like to impart a little wisdom:
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Also people saying now that respect and honor can be achieved over a computer game are f*cking sad...get a life.
And with this attitude, you'll find neither here...
...perhaps you could bash some Horde over the head in WoW and maybe gain 'honor' there?
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew everywhere! |
David DarkLighter
Corp 1 Allstars
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 05:17:00 -
[91]
A wise man once said.....
"This is EvE. You arent supposed to be logging into a game full of fluffy hello kittens and cuddly hamsters"
Reading this thread had turn my day from....
   
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The EM
The Kinetic
The Explosive
The Thermal
Who our life lays within our missles
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.14 05:23:00 -
[92]
Hmm this video is evidence that the pilot does not have thermodynamis level 1.
SKUNK
Originally by: Jeximo
I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2007.08.14 07:02:00 -
[93]
Grenadier, your grammar = fail, make the hurt stop.
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Twoguns
Executive Mindframe
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Posted - 2007.08.14 07:23:00 -
[94]
They once accused my corp of performing a log in trap 
One of our members was so upset he cried for several hours afterwards... Pleased with yourself Mr Simpson ?
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Korid Stormbringer
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Posted - 2007.08.14 07:23:00 -
[95]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Also i keep hearing the words "RESPECT" and "HONOUR". My f*cking god those words are meant for real life family and friends. THIS IS A GAME!!!!!!
I'm new here and don't really have any idea who any of the people involved in this little argument are, but I just want to say that anyone who thinks that anonymity is an excuse to treat people poorly clearly has no idea what "respect" and "honor" are "in real life" either. Hiding behind the excuse "it's just a game" makes you look petty, childish, and uncouth. GRENADIERSIMPSON, I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You would have done a much better job of defending yourself by just keeping your mouth shut.
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus .Ex. Machina
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Posted - 2007.08.14 08:14:00 -
[96]
too...much...flame...head...exploding...
ZOMG flamefest \o/ hurray
i know VETO as one of the respectable corp there are in eve, even if i don't see logoffski or login trap like a "ZOMG H4X!%!&!" it's still funny to see ppl bragging and flaming about it.
A+ to verone for this thread, it's soooooo full of winning :Q_
D- for whining/lies/flame/discussion to mr simpson, couldhave done better being "the ebil enemy" :E
Ps. Veto has you, mr. simpson
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.08.14 08:38:00 -
[97]
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:59:34
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:57:46
log in traps. They
+get kills
+aren't considered an Exploit
-labeled as lame by a few
WTF is the problem. They get kills through in-game means. Why do people label everything good that works as "lame". Log-in traps, using agression "station hugging", nanoships.
The entire point of PVP in this game is to get kills without loss. These things are the prime examples of this. If it works, isn't an exploit, and doesn't abuse people's gained trust over time "corp thieft" i say do it.
So, using in game means, how do you know when to log in, when to spring the trap? Since you are by definition out of the game, logged off, you have no in game means to utilize at all.
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2007.08.14 08:58:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 14/08/2007 09:01:20
....
During the read of this thread I experienced several LOLs and several emote icons not listed.
[Pause]
On the topic of it's just a game and the mindeset that anonymity being an excuse to be socialy irresponsible ... that I will comment on.
I have friends and associates that I have gamed with since middle school. All of them have grown up to become professionals. These are the same guys I work with, the same guys I network for job leads or have even been my boss. Had I treated any of them so poorly and irresponsibly I would never had the oppurtunities to work at such places like: DreamWorks or any of the dreamjob situations I've been fortunate to experience. Yep I have talent but in but in certain places it's all about who you know.
In early 2006 I had met about 40% of my EVE Online Corporation in Las Vegas. I bought them all dinner and the more mature of us went out to drinks later on.
Gaming is very much a part of the human experience. Ancient Mayans played a game that some scholars speculate were represetation of their deep cultural beliefs. Today humans use vitural worlds to do their socializing and networking. People have even been offered jobs for playing a video game called EvE (i.e. Kieron, EvETV Peeps and the list of lucky evefreaks and *****s goes on...).
Eve is a game and a community experience. You can lose ships, isk and even sov but you cannot afford to lose your crediability. Your word is everything. It is equal to whom will back you up and the limits of fun you can have while playing this game.
It's ok to pew pew and blow up the gamer behind the other end of the pixels. I highly encourage making it a adventure to share with the victim over a beer at Fanfest. I hope to meet every mofo EvE-freak that has killed me or I pwn'd because I know we'd have something fun to talk about.
See, the viel of anonymity is actually more bull**** than anyone Simpson minded would like to be comfortable with. That viel is disappearing as the technology and bandwidth speeds increase to bring information and us closer to each other.
I see past the pixels. I use technology as a social networking tool. As a small business owner in real life, I would never hire Simpson or anyone with his mindset or conditional values.
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Axel Drayus
Task Force Ranger
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Posted - 2007.08.14 09:08:00 -
[99]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
blah, blah, blah
I feel sorry for your corp and your alliance tbfh. Even though your accusations might be purely personal it certainly has run their reputation through the mud here. More so that you've admitted to doing the log off tactics that you've accused Veto of doing and trying to publicly defame their rep and honor with your lies.
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TheJacko
Gallente
Ardent Adversary
Anvil.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 09:39:00 -
[100]
you verone you do log in and out ;)
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 09:48:00 -
[101]
First of all ...EPIC THREAD!!!!
Now. I admitted openly to logofski tactic. This is the first time i have ever done this. I have spoke with my alliance about wether they would like me to leave due to me giving this command, i thought it only fair to do so.
I have been told not to leave the alliance. The V I G I L has been met with so many pirate so called exploits in the past they have basically turned round and said we have done it once and lets leave it at that.
Now maybe my reputation to pirates who actually read these forums has been destroyed (not that existed in the first place). But ask yourself do i give a sh*t?
My alliance stands by me pulling one log off trick out of the many many we have recieved upon us. Now if you want to judge my alliance on one mans actions then thats upto you. But ask yourself also, who really cares what pirates think anyway!!
Laters o7
P.S Verone... great job mate. Damn i got raped.
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General Coochie
New Justice
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 10:09:00 -
[102]
Haha awesome graphics!
Anyways, this is a roleplaying game (MMORPG) yeah? You are pretty much meant to be playing a certain role. You can choose the role of honorable pirate or dishonorable anti-pirate. Honor and respect is very real in EvE. If ppl respect you and trust you they pay a ransom knowing you wont still blow them upp. If you do you are quite dishonorbale, and you loose your respect. Off course you can play the role of an immature 14 year old behind his computer that cant take losses and cant comprehend loosing, and thereby doing everything even considerd lame to prevail.
Try playing this game a bit like a roleplaying game, it makes it alot more fun IMO.
If you want "pew-pew" and omg I ownd him, go play counterstrike or something.
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Major Dods
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:08:00 -
[103]
Wow, this was a good read, as a CAOD refugee much respect for control exerted by the accused. Normally I would expect to see every member and his mum on board this thread.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:20:00 -
[104]
Die in a fire Simpson.
Best regards, mematar.
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Atreides Horza
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:24:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Atreides Horza on 14/08/2007 11:24:18
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
Listen mate I havnt called you or anyone else for these tactics. this is what im trying to say. I havnt flamed you for pulling a log in trap all i have said is that you did. I know this and my squad know this.
So congrats on the video evidence of me logging off in cloak (which i have never called or denied). So call me all you like on here mate i havnt denied doing this. Although i will say this is the first time i have done it.
Im only sorry i wasnt frapsing at the time when i logged back on.
Incidently is it shown on your video 1 minutes after i logged? I will look now.
You gotta be kiddin' me!?
You take a beating - in- and out of game - that looks like ten rounds of James Blunt vs Mike Tyson, you make an @ss of yourself by accusing one of the most well-known pvp corps in EVE of employing dubious tactics and now you're doing hoolahoops to stay in business.
I fine you 5000 ISK - for drivin' too f*cking slow in the intellectual fastlane.
Now, I'm not worried about VETO. They've made a name for themselves through more fighting than you'll ever see with your view on things... and they'll be here long after you've crawled back under your bridge.
But for the love of God and the pilots who are silly enough to fly with you, start acting with the responsibility of the leadership you seem to claim in fighting piracy.
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:47:00 -
[106]
I do not believe that Veto performed a login trap: firstly, there was no need; secondly, they wouldn't do it.
I think its fair to say GrenadierSimpson has made a mistake in the heat of battle. Yes, he has dug himself a bigger hole than even I have ever managed to dig myself on these forums It is difficult to change your perception when you are in the heat of battle and only experience will correct that So please stop the flames.
We will continue to bring it to Veto, but we will bring it as it should be done.
Looking forward to crossing swords with Veto.
Regards and Respect
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:52:00 -
[107]
Pulling a log on trap to catch people using a log off trap would make Vetos heroes anyway.
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Irob Urore
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:58:00 -
[108]
its just a game, logoff shmog off. just do it, seriously what do you care what a bunch of nerdy guys that play eve in there moms basement (or closet if your tiller) think about you. cloaking is just as lame ppl still do it, at the end of the day who gives a flying f*&@&
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GRENADIERSIMPSON
Anti Pirate Inc
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:24:00 -
[109]
Thats the thing you see i dont take care.
After reading the mass responses on this thread it makes me think there are to many people that take this game far to serious. As for me i like to have a good drink, have a laugh with the lads on vent and kill some pirates.
Sods law that the first time i log off cloaked its recorded....lol
As for dekard posting that veto wouldnt do the log on trap, youve been in the alliance for one night mate. Ask the rest of the vgl what happened that night before you make me look like a bigger arse than i already do.....lol
Anyways from this post i now leave the forums to you that care.
Fly Safe o7
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:27:00 -
[110]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Thats the thing you see i dont take care.
After reading the mass responses on this thread it makes me think there are to many people that take this game far to serious. As for me i like to have a good drink, have a laugh with the lads on vent and kill some pirates.
Sods law that the first time i log off cloaked its recorded....lol
As for dekard posting that veto wouldnt do the log on trap, youve been in the alliance for one night mate. Ask the rest of the vgl what happened that night before you make me look like a bigger arse than i already do.....lol
Anyways from this post i now leave the forums to you that care.
Fly Safe o7
Quit the forums twice in one thread?!?! Is this a record or something?
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:52:00 -
[111]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Edited by: GRENADIERSIMPSON on 13/08/2007 18:58:23
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics??? Please point out when i have. I clearly reacted to a flase comment made by a veto corp member.
You do know you all died because you are a bunch of n00bs, right ?
You have stated that you don't care about e-honor, so why accuse others of lacking it ?
Are you that much of a hipochrit or just plain dumb ?
Looking at that vid and at those kills, i think you are just ****ed off because you lost a faction fitted Vindicator + other ships for not using a cov ops alt properly - you said there was no-one in the system so how did they know you were there ?, and for not even knowing how to use the logoff button properly - seriously read up on game mechanics because i have seen 1 month n00bs with more knowledge of game mechanics than you.
Ok, so far we have hipochrisy, stupidity, lack of game mechanics knowledge, all of these in the same package. How efficient of you !
Verone, since they logged repeatedly to avoid warping back to the gate, petition them for abusing game mechanics and maybe try to use the vid in getting them banned. It's a long shot though, eve needs more stupid ppl so they might not ban him. :)
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:54:00 -
[112]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
First of all ...EPIC THREAD!!!!
Now. I admitted openly to logofski tactic. This is the first time i have ever done this. I have spoke with my alliance about wether they would like me to leave due to me giving this command, i thought it only fair to do so.
I have been told not to leave the alliance. The V I G I L has been met with so many pirate so called exploits in the past they have basically turned round and said we have done it once and lets leave it at that.
Now maybe my reputation to pirates who actually read these forums has been destroyed (not that existed in the first place). But ask yourself do i give a sh*t?
My alliance stands by me pulling one log off trick out of the many many we have recieved upon us. Now if you want to judge my alliance on one mans actions then thats upto you. But ask yourself also, who really cares what pirates think anyway!!
Laters o7
P.S Verone... great job mate. Damn i got raped.
/me smells petition under way.
/me also smells links to recruitment threads of this very crappy alliance and corp.
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
Xtreem
Gallente
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:06:00 -
[113]
this thread makes me happy
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Marcus Xero
UKCS corp
Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:39:00 -
[114]
i don't normally read C&P but i genuinely LOL'd
way to go grenadier
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Steve Holt
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:03:00 -
[115]
lol pwnwed, U made a false accusation it got proven wrong you spend hours trying to save face with your twisted morales.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:51:00 -
[116]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
After reading the mass responses on this thread it makes me think there are to many people that take this game far to serious. As for me i like to have a good drink, have a laugh with the lads on vent and kill some pirates.
Hard to kill pirates when you log-off!!!
More proof that Anti-Pirates are the real scum of Eve...Veto great rep, great pilots...VIGIL...rep not so great now...pilots well...LOL!!
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Atreides Horza
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:00:00 -
[117]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
I think its fair to say GrenadierSimpson has made a mistake in the heat of battle. Yes, he has dug himself a bigger hole than even I have ever managed to dig myself on these forums It is difficult to change your perception when you are in the heat of battle and only experience will correct that So please stop the flames.
We will continue to bring it to Veto, but we will bring it as it should be done.
Looking forward to crossing swords with Veto.
Regards and Respect
Deck
A fair and diplomatic response - although the damage has been done at this stage... Props to Deckard though, who's doing what a senior member of his alliance should've been doing a long time ago.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
As for dekard posting that veto wouldnt do the log on trap, youve been in the alliance for one night mate. Ask the rest of the vgl what happened that night before you make me look like a bigger arse than i already do.....lol
Your alliance mate sticks his hand down into the hole you dug for yourself and offers you a way to save face, and you manage to screw it up even more. Beautiful. You're not only a hypocrite and a hack - but you also have all the diplomatic grace of a Tourette's patient at a funeral.
As for you leaving the forums, why do I have the feeling you will grace us with your patience - over, and over, and over...
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Zenobite
The Malevolent
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:24:00 -
[118]
I'd imagaine there some intresting evemails going around The VIGIL on when to shut the hell up on the forums.
But props to simpson for his determination, most people would quit after shooting themselves in the foot so badly, but not simpson he just reloads and goes to work on the bloody stump.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:54:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
You do know you all died because you are a bunch of n00bs, right ?
I think this sums things up rather nicely.
VetownedÖ
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Igus
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:13:00 -
[120]
Forum Warriors Go!!!!!!!!1111oneoneeleven
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Uhg, I think I need a flux capacitor
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:41:00 -
[121]
Ive fought VETO before. Good bunch of guys by all accounts. And ive never heard of them using log-in traps. If youre going to make a claim like that youd better have more evidence than just "um yeah... I saw them" or prepare to get blasted on the forums.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:20:00 -
[122]
I'm not aware of having known any Veto guys in my 4 years in EVE, but then I don't really know their corp roster, apart from having seen Verone on the forums (I remember the "Verone blew up my daddy's hauler" sig mostly!).
I have been in a number of pirate corps tho, from M3G4 Corp near the start of EVE, although this was before corp history was started, to Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated [DNA], Arcane Frankologies [ATUF], The Royal Syndicate [TRS].
Currently I'm in Grenadier's corp. *hides from the flames*
Gren is a good guy, even if he does play after drinking too much Strongbow... He probably hasn't come across at his best in this thread, but meh... its one thread.
EVE is a game. It has a high death penalty compared to other games, which is both a good thing and a bad thing. Given this, it is to be expected that people will use whatever tactics they can to avoid the death penalties.
Logging off in combat used to be really ***, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't work anymore, the ship stays in place once agroed.
From what I am told of this engagement (I wasn't there myself), the VIGIL gang lead by Gren was taken to the system in question by a scout/possible spy for the purpose of being ganked by a far superior VETO fleet. (6 vs 15 or something?)
This wasn't a VETO camp that just happened to be there, it was a planned op going after the VIGIL gang. (Correct me if I'm wrong?)
Now, I have alot of respect for VETO. If I'm blatantly honest, I looked at *attempting* to join you guys a few weeks back. You have a "code of honour", or "code of behaviour" or whatever, that is pretty stringent. I can only assume, that if the situation was reversed, this would have demanded you all decloak and attempt to engage, probably loosing most of your gang.
Well that's impressive. I would equate that to some sort of "Ninja code" or whatever, the Ninjas will kill you sure, but they have rules, even if they probably seem like violent psychopaths to their victims (who obviously have a vested interest and aren't going to thank them for killing them).
Again, my knowledge of real life ninjas is limited to say the least, and that probably contains some inaccuracies. I don't intend to offend any "ninja experts" here, but the analogy should serve to illustrate my point despite this, bear with me!
Lets look at a modern military force. The British Military went into Iraq with Challenger IIs with Chobham armour. The Iraqi tanks were *not capable* of penetrating this. Did we decide to refit our tanks with weaker armour to make it fair because anything else would be dishonourable? No.
If a military commander found a way to save a load of his men by avoiding an engagement with a vastly superior force, he would be applauded.
This might seem dishonourable to the Ninjas with their code, but it is really just a different take on warfare.
The VIGIL doesn't have any rules about not logging off to avoid a fight (bear in mind that as the fight hadn't started, this wasn't logging off in-combat). To be honest we have very few rules at all, and maybe this is a rule we should have, but we don't.
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you, and we could (although I don't) decide that spying is dishonourable and therefore you dishonoured yourselves in gathering the intel to ambush us.
Tbh though, I'm not really that fussed, and will go back to playing the game, and sticking to the rules of whatever group I am a part of, although some I may not like! (I wish VIGIL would let me pirate sometimes....)
Sorry for my wordiness :)
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:36:00 -
[123]
More conclusive evidence of midgets being used by Vigil for log off tactics.
SKUNK
Originally by: Jeximo
I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
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Ybbor Notlimah
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:42:00 -
[124]
OMG....Simpson is EvE's newest burn victim.......get the aloe QUICK!!
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:47:00 -
[125]
Edited by: deathforge on 14/08/2007 17:48:17
Originally by: DarkStar251
blah blah blah i dont have a point and am desperately reaching to rationalize us being noobs blah blah blah
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you...
blah blah blah i like my buddy grenadier have no evidence but am frantically trying to discredit veto to save face blah blah blah
It's not a matter of role-playing, quit trying to mask it as some optional ninja code. It's a matter of your band of do-gooders being inept noobs using a very broken game mechanic to avoid getting plastered all over a stargate, and then trying to drag the hostile party's name through the mud. You can't dig yourself out of a hole, as if anyone took you people seriously in the first place, they certainly don't now. Fess up, admit you were wrong, apologize to veto, and go back to sucking rocks in high sec; as least those don't shoot back.
And by the way, I rule you.
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus .Ex. Machina
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:48:00 -
[126]
thinking about it, all of this was started by a drunken cov-ops pilot :|
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:55:00 -
[127]
Originally by: deathforge
Originally by: DarkStar251
blah blah blah i dont have a point and am desperately reaching to rationalize us being noobs blah blah blah
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you, and we could (although I don't) decide that spying is dishonourable and therefore you dishonoured yourselves in gathering the intel to ambush us.
It's not a matter of role-playing, quit trying to mask it as some optional ninja code. It's a matter of your band of do-gooders being inept noobs using a very broken game mechanic to avoid getting plastered all over a stargate, and then trying to drag the hostile party's name through the mud. You can't dig yourself out of a hole, as if anyone took you people seriously in the first place, they certainly don't now. Fess up, admit you were wrong, apologize to veto, and go back to sucking rocks in high sec; as least those don't shoot back.
Apart from the fact that I wasn't even at this engagement, I didn't attempt to drag anyone elses name anywhere, If you took the time to read, you'd see I said I have alot of respect for VETO and had even considered attempting to join them, of course, I may or may not have been successful in that.
You and others may have decided the game mechanic is broken, but until CCP do, its legal. Tbh, I don't really have an issue with log-on traps either until CCP ban them.
I don't know or care if VETO did or didn't do a log on trap. Its their own ruling that says it would be wrong for them to do so, so its up to them to investigate and punish according to their own standards. Tbh, if I was a CEO, and some of my guys performed a log on trap and got a load of kills, I wouldn't care less. Verone may or may not think differently, and its possible there was some misunderstanding and there was in fact NO log on trap.
If you show me what I have said about VETO that is negative, I will happily apologise to them :)
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:02:00 -
[128]
Originally by: DarkStar251
Originally by: deathforge
Originally by: DarkStar251
blah blah blah i dont have a point and am desperately reaching to rationalize us being noobs blah blah blah
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you, and we could (although I don't) decide that spying is dishonourable and therefore you dishonoured yourselves in gathering the intel to ambush us.
It's not a matter of role-playing, quit trying to mask it as some optional ninja code. It's a matter of your band of do-gooders being inept noobs using a very broken game mechanic to avoid getting plastered all over a stargate, and then trying to drag the hostile party's name through the mud. You can't dig yourself out of a hole, as if anyone took you people seriously in the first place, they certainly don't now. Fess up, admit you were wrong, apologize to veto, and go back to sucking rocks in high sec; as least those don't shoot back.
Apart from the fact that I wasn't even at this engagement, I didn't attempt to drag anyone elses name anywhere, If you took the time to read, you'd see I said I have alot of respect for VETO and had even considered attempting to join them, of course, I may or may not have been successful in that.
You and others may have decided the game mechanic is broken, but until CCP do, its legal. Tbh, I don't really have an issue with log-on traps either until CCP ban them.
I don't know or care if VETO did or didn't do a log on trap. Its their own ruling that says it would be wrong for them to do so, so its up to them to investigate and punish according to their own standards. Tbh, if I was a CEO, and some of my guys performed a log on trap and got a load of kills, I wouldn't care less. Verone may or may not think differently, and its possible there was some misunderstanding and there was in fact NO log on trap.
If you show me what I have said about VETO that is negative, I will happily apologise to them :)
made it bold for the "special" crowd.
And by the way, I rule you.
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
Coalition of Nations
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:04:00 -
[129]
Epic thread. Vote for veto |
Dan Starkay
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:05:00 -
[130]
Originally by: DarkStar251
What he saidquote]
Quite a big thread, I think it was more Veto defending them selves of teh accused logging off rather than targeting Gren for logging off.
Although either way round they are right.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:12:00 -
[131]
Originally by: deathforge
Originally by: DarkStar251
Originally by: deathforge
Originally by: DarkStar251
blah blah blah i dont have a point and am desperately reaching to rationalize us being noobs blah blah blah
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you, and we could (although I don't) decide that spying is dishonourable and therefore you dishonoured yourselves in gathering the intel to ambush us.
It's not a matter of role-playing, quit trying to mask it as some optional ninja code. It's a matter of your band of do-gooders being inept noobs using a very broken game mechanic to avoid getting plastered all over a stargate, and then trying to drag the hostile party's name through the mud. You can't dig yourself out of a hole, as if anyone took you people seriously in the first place, they certainly don't now. Fess up, admit you were wrong, apologize to veto, and go back to sucking rocks in high sec; as least those don't shoot back.
Apart from the fact that I wasn't even at this engagement, I didn't attempt to drag anyone elses name anywhere, If you took the time to read, you'd see I said I have alot of respect for VETO and had even considered attempting to join them, of course, I may or may not have been successful in that.
You and others may have decided the game mechanic is broken, but until CCP do, its legal. Tbh, I don't really have an issue with log-on traps either until CCP ban them.
I don't know or care if VETO did or didn't do a log on trap. Its their own ruling that says it would be wrong for them to do so, so its up to them to investigate and punish according to their own standards. Tbh, if I was a CEO, and some of my guys performed a log on trap and got a load of kills, I wouldn't care less. Verone may or may not think differently, and its possible there was some misunderstanding and there was in fact NO log on trap.
If you show me what I have said about VETO that is negative, I will happily apologise to them :)
made it bold for the "special" crowd.
I said could, certain groups in RL have had a low opinion of spying in the past. We could also decide they are dishonourable for flying ships with missiles or whatever else.
My point wasn't to say that VETO are dishonourable, I really don't think they are, it was that different people consider completely different things dishonourable, even things that would seem silly to others. Hell, some people consider it "unclean" to eat pork, but that doesn't automatically make it true.
I'm sorry if I was not clear enough, I simply meant to say that anyone can regard anything as dishonourable. Until it was declared an exploit, POS bowling with supercapitals was accepted, as was attacking POSes with light drones to take sentry fire.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:14:00 -
[132]
Originally by: DarkStar251
I said could, certain groups in RL have had a low opinion of spying in the past. We could also decide they are dishonourable for flying ships with missiles or whatever else.
and your evidence is.... where exactly? just like your buddy grenadier you're throwing around baseless accusations trying to save face.
And by the way, I rule you.
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Jongo Fett
Caldari
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:16:00 -
[133]
Well Mr Simpson. From reading all this i can see why your covertops pilot told you to login. You Sir.. Suck
Kind Regards
Jongo Fett
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:18:00 -
[134]
Edited by: DarkStar251 on 14/08/2007 18:19:06
Originally by: deathforge
Originally by: DarkStar251
I said could, certain groups in RL have had a low opinion of spying in the past. We could also decide they are dishonourable for flying ships with missiles or whatever else.
and your evidence is.... where exactly? just like your buddy grenadier you're throwing around baseless accusations trying to save face.
Did you read the full post?
Ok, you want an example of someone thinking spying is wrong... *googles*
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3487134.stm
There.
Its irrelevent anyway, I didn't say spying was wrong, my original post just gave it as an example of something that someone *could* say is wrong. I am only accusing VETO of having a good intel network that I am frankly jealous of. Please stop trolling.
I'm trying to say that imho neither a log on trap (if it happened) nor logging off at a gate are really worth anyone getting this worked up over.
Do people here just love to argue or what?
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Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:21:00 -
[135]
As an anti-pirate myself, I find this very disapointing.
So what if it's 6 versus 16? Just fight and die god damn. Try to take a few with you. If it was the other way around it would be ok to fight I'm sure. 
Pirates have all the cards on their side. Either play smart or, if you can't, at least die with honour. Logging off is the lamest thing you can do.
The odds are always against us, at least we can call pirates cowards most of the times. That's probably one of the few good things of being anti-pie
I only have some 20 kills under my belt, got killed half of that. But you won't find me logging off when facing dificult odds.
Anti-pies are here to kill pirates, no matter how much it costs. Then we go kill npcs to gain sec status and isk to buy more ships and do it all over again. That's what anti-pies do. Face it or change profession. |
Verone
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:34:00 -
[136]
Originally by: DarkStar251
From what I am told of this engagement (I wasn't there myself), the VIGIL gang lead by Gren was taken to the system in question by a scout/possible spy for the purpose of being ganked by a far superior VETO fleet. (6 vs 15 or something?)
Numbers of Veto Corp members were slightly higher, ship classes The Vigil fielded were superior, including a faction fitted Vindicator and Abaddon if I recall correctly.
If you're assuming you were lead into a trap by your own people or a spy in collaboration with our corp, you're assuming wrong. We saw your gang a few jumps away and monitored it's movement so we could set up in front of it.
Originally by: DarkStar251
This wasn't a VETO camp that just happened to be there, it was a planned op going after the VIGIL gang. (Correct me if I'm wrong?)
You're wrong. We don't "go after people", we kill targers of opportunity. We have no interest in chasing your members around in space.
Originally by: DarkStar251
I can only assume, that if the situation was reversed, this would have demanded you all decloak and attempt to engage
Our scout would not have lead us into a waiting gang if the situation was reversed. If we did happen to jump into a large camp at some point, under no circumstances would any member log out in combat or under cloak to avoid being killed.
If a member did happen to CTD he or she would log back in and join the engagement. Every member is expected to stand their ground or find a new corp. This is something we all agree on.
It may not be officially noted by CCP as an exploit to log out in combat, but it is an abuse of game mechanics that is frowned upon by a large percentage of the game's community.
Originally by: DarkStar251
Lets look at a modern military force. The British Military went into Iraq with Challenger IIs with Chobham armour. The Iraqi tanks were *not capable* of penetrating this. Did we decide to refit our tanks with weaker armour to make it fair because anything else would be dishonourable? No.
I fail to see how this even remotely relates to the situation at hand, in any context.
Originally by: DarkStar251
If a military commander found a way to save a load of his men by avoiding an engagement with a vastly superior force, he would be applauded.
The force wasn't vastly superior and The Vigil didn't avoid the engagement. You made a choice to use one of the most frowned upon tactics in Eve-Online to try and prevent ship losses. Your members then attempted to accuse us of using a similar tactic to kill your gang, something that we didn't do. We provided solid proof to counter the lies that were thrown about regarding our members.
Originally by: DarkStar251
The VIGIL doesn't have any rules about not logging off to avoid a fight (bear in mind that as the fight hadn't started, this wasn't logging off in-combat). To be honest we have very few rules at all, and maybe this is a rule we should have, but we don't.
When you jumped, you committed yourselves to the engagement. Your members proceeded to log out when under fire from our members to avoid losing their ships. If you feel you should have a rule about logging in combat, perhaps you should take it up with your alliance leadership.
Originally by: DarkStar251
Different people role-play the game differently. I'm sure CVA would think the Amarrians in The VIGIL are dishonourable for associating with Minmatar slaves, just as you see us as dishonourable for logging off rather than dieing to you.
Roleplay goes out of the window when you try to use out of game influences and abuse game mechanics to prevent loss. Again I fail to see how this relates to the situation.
As for us spying, the only intel we gather is from our scouts in space. We don't deal in underhanded intel, we don't need to.
Originally by: DarkStar251
Tbh though, I'm not really that fussed.
Personally I'd be concerned if my alliance mates didn't care about their in game reputation and used tactics like this.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:37:00 -
[137]
Edited by: deathforge on 14/08/2007 18:37:31
Originally by: DarkStar251
Did you read the full post?
I did, and am still not seeing anything about veto spying other than your post. I'm not debating if it's acceptable, I'm pointing out your distinct lack of evidence. Which, if you will recall, is why this thread exists in the first place. NO NO NO, DIG UP, STUPID!!
And by the way, I rule you.
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:02:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: DarkStar251
I can only assume, that if the situation was reversed, this would have demanded you all decloak and attempt to engage
Our scout would not have lead us into a waiting gang if the situation was reversed. If we did happen to jump into a large camp at some point, under no circumstances would any member log out in combat or under cloak to avoid being killed.
If a member did happen to CTD he or she would log back in and join the engagement. Every member is expected to stand their ground or find a new corp. This is something we all agree on.
It may not be officially noted by CCP as an exploit to log out in combat, but it is an abuse of game mechanics that is frowned upon by a large percentage of the game's community.
As I thought really, and a position I applaud you for, and a rule I would follow if it was a rule applied by my superiors. But, in EVE as in life, you can't impose your standards on others. If you could hold everyone to your own high standards, then your standards would be normal and VETO would be nothing special!
I did originally say I wasn't there, and was relying on what I had been told. I asked you to correct me on any inaccuracies, which I acknowledged were possible, and you kindly did, without flaming, thank you.
From the way it was described to me, there was a vastly superior VETO force and the alternatives were "everyone dies" or "we log off". To be honest, in THAT scenario I probably would have logged. Its not an exploit, and however many people may "frown upon it", The VIGIL up till now has had no rule against it, probably because the issue has never arisen before.
If it was a vaguely even fight, I would probably have engaged, if I was the fleet commander. Gren didn't, that wasn't up to me and I wasn't there. Much as I respect you Verone, I don't know you, and all I have is Gren, who despite his faults (we all have them) is a good guy that I *do* know, telling me it was not even, and you telling me it was. Maybe he just saw a sea of red and didn't look into it in detail, I don't know.
The VIGIL is a relatively small group, our PvPers are in the minority, and most of them are relatively new players. We do not have the organisation or experience that you guys have, and given this, we cannot afford to stick to the high ideals you guys do, much as it may be desirable to do so. If we did, alot of us would be out of ships pretty quickly.
It was said by someone here earlier that VETO don't *need* to pull log on traps, log off at gates, etc because you are good at what you do.
We do not have the experience or organisation that VETO do. Someday I'd like us to, but that day is not today.
I don't have "alliance approval" or whatever to post any of this, so please don't take it as an official alliance position :)
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MILD BOB
Gallente
Firestorm Projects
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:40:00 -
[139]
I am said covert op...... so thanks everyone for calling me a liar, I love you all too.
What happened.
1) Sitting in enemy safe spot in Hervice, counting ships preparing a nice detailed list of primaries, listening to vent.
2) Gren shouts over vent, "****lots of profanities**** you said the gate was clear" to our gang scout.
3) Gren then admits the only way to save some gang members is to log off.
4) Gang logs, I volunteer to fly the 4 jumps to check system.
5) Arrive at said system and ask on vent..... "are you sure, nowt but neutrals". The system total wasn't even at 10 (about 5-6) so obviously thought wrong system.
6) Receive assurance that said system is right from the logged gang.
7) Call it safe and Gren volunteers to log in first.
8) Local explodes, numerous veto warp to gate from different directions and arrive before Gren does.
9) Gren warps to 200km + from gate and logs back out.
10) I sit and watch veto gang, until they jump away.
and here my story ends...... flame away, especially you who werenĘt there and love to kiss a*se to get special browny points from others.
I will not post again in this thread, as I hate the forums.
Full of 10 year olds and frustrated people.
Thanks
Bob
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:13:00 -
[140]
So you basically forgot that you aren't the only one who flies an invisible spaceship and let your gang run into a one-jump-away trap. Fair enough.
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Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:23:00 -
[141]
Originally by: DarkStar251
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: DarkStar251
I can only assume, that if the situation was reversed, this would have demanded you all decloak and attempt to engage
Our scout would not have lead us into a waiting gang if the situation was reversed. If we did happen to jump into a large camp at some point, under no circumstances would any member log out in combat or under cloak to avoid being killed.
If a member did happen to CTD he or she would log back in and join the engagement. Every member is expected to stand their ground or find a new corp. This is something we all agree on.
It may not be officially noted by CCP as an exploit to log out in combat, but it is an abuse of game mechanics that is frowned upon by a large percentage of the game's community.
It was said by someone here earlier that VETO don't *need* to pull log on traps, log off at gates, etc because you are good at what you do.
We do not have the experience or organisation that VETO do.
I agree! All nubs should log off in combat untill they get some combat-experience... no wait, what?
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:47:00 -
[142]
Originally by: MILD BOB
I am said covert op...... so thanks everyone for calling me a liar, I love you all too.
What happened.
1) Sitting in enemy safe spot in Hervice, counting ships preparing a nice detailed list of primaries, listening to vent.
2) Gren shouts over vent, "****lots of profanities**** you said the gate was clear" to our gang scout.
3) Gren then admits the only way to save some gang members is to log off.
4) Gang logs, I volunteer to fly the 4 jumps to check system.
5) Arrive at said system and ask on vent..... "are you sure, nowt but neutrals". The system total wasn't even at 10 (about 5-6) so obviously thought wrong system.
6) Receive assurance that said system is right from the logged gang.
7) Call it safe and Gren volunteers to log in first.
8) Local explodes, numerous veto warp to gate from different directions and arrive before Gren does.
9) Gren warps to 200km + from gate and logs back out.
10) I sit and watch veto gang, until they jump away.
and here my story ends...... flame away, especially you who werenĘt there and love to kiss a*se to get special browny points from others.
I will not post again in this thread, as I hate the forums.
Full of 10 year olds and frustrated people.
Thanks
Bob
Gren is a good guy and like me likes to fly while drunk :)
To close this thread, I think Verone should explain Point 8 of the above quote and then the thread should be locked.
Deck
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Funkmaster J
14K
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:59:00 -
[143]
Originally by: MILD BOB
I am said covert op...... so thanks everyone for calling me a liar, I love you all too.
What happened.
1) Sitting in enemy safe spot in Hervice, counting ships preparing a nice detailed list of primaries, listening to vent.
2) Gren shouts over vent, "****lots of profanities**** you said the gate was clear" to our gang scout.
3) Gren then admits the only way to save some gang members is to log off.
4) Gang logs, I volunteer to fly the 4 jumps to check system.
5) Arrive at said system and ask on vent..... "are you sure, nowt but neutrals". The system total wasn't even at 10 (about 5-6) so obviously thought wrong system.
6) Receive assurance that said system is right from the logged gang.
7) Call it safe and Gren volunteers to log in first.
8) Local explodes, numerous veto warp to gate from different directions and arrive before Gren does.
9) Gren warps to 200km + from gate and logs back out.
10) I sit and watch veto gang, until they jump away.
and here my story ends...... flame away, especially you who werenĘt there and love to kiss a*se to get special browny points from others.
I will not post again in this thread, as I hate the forums.
Full of 10 year olds and frustrated people.
Thanks
Bob
I think it was pointed out earlier by a veto member that they had added people who logged off at the gate including Simpson to their friends and that as soon as he logged back in they made their way back there from anywhere they could to catch you logging back in.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:02:00 -
[144]
Originally by: DarkStar251
Logging off while still under cloak from jumping into a gatecamp still means no agro and the gang has a very short time - 30s, to blow the ship apart.
However they didn't even do that, since they took the time to agro them and then log off.
Admiting to using that "tactic" to avoid death penalty while largely employed by other alliances - RA and AAA come to mind but that is probably because it's called logoffski, is very hard to prove. Your corpie just admited on the game forum that he used it while at the same time accusing the other guys of using it.
His statement is that "well, my cov ops alt was in the system and he saw no-one, then i got in the system and they all of the sudden appeared" which means that he is both incompetenet if he doesn't have local separated. How could have the Veto guys have known the exact moment of your gang's jumping in the system, the gate and the gate they would jump and be logged off to avoid being spotted and logging very very fast to kill them.
He is simply blaming others for his own stupidity/buggy client.
How did you get from logging off in eve used to be bad m'kay to the ninja code ?
And with RL analogies too.
And you shouldn't be fussed.
Your corp member just turned your corp/alliance into a huge joke, which will probably be posted in your recruitment threads, since he will be leading gangs for your corp/alliance and recruits should know in what they are getting themselves in.
Also ... pls don't bother posting "we know we did wrong but we forgive him and we understand him and we need to help him" because that is translated in "**** off, we are right and you are wrong, your a bunch of ****ers".
Have a nice day. :)
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:20:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 14/08/2007 21:22:26
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 14/08/2007 21:21:40
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 14/08/2007 21:20:56
Since it is an established fact that GRENADIER - vigil FC, is a ... well, if you got so far then you have already drawn the same conclusion as most, here is a short list of hints :
1 - if you drink, don't FC a gang of 1-2b isk in a few ships cos then you will whine about losing it.
2 - when you jump into a gatecamp that looks too powerfull, you don't log off after decloaking and agro-ing it. This leads to a 15 min timer insead of a 30s and if scrambled the ships will just sit there for 15 min. Pods will warp away when ship is popped but will stay in a SS for 15 min.
3 - if you do decide to logoff, you do it under cloak, and only the ships that can absorb the fire for 30s will be able to make it. Looking at your losses, the Vindicator, Tempest, Abaddon could have been saved if you had logged off under cloak.
4 - if you have already agro-ed then logging off will not help you. Your ship if scrambled will stay there, so it serves no purpose. You can either log-off and won't get any kills, and you will be very happy to see a rifter lay the final blow and look like a bunch of morons, or you can stay and fight it out, hopefully they will make a mistake and you can take 1-2 of them down with you.
5 - when you jump into a gatecamp you do not decloak your ships one after the other at long intervals. You ask on TS if everyone has loaded the grid - good overview fitting helps here a lot, and then decloak - decloak EW ships last btw.
6 - when you have a decloaked gang and you send a cov ops to scout the system, 5-10 neutrals doesn't make the system clear. Any one of them could be a Veto alt which could sit on the gate in a cheap, crap t1 frig with cloak and when he sees the cov ops frig he will know that you are preparing to log back in.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:35:00 -
[146]
lol
And just when GRENADIERSIMPSON thought it was safe to post on the forums...
He soon found out that even there...
Veto still own his poor noob ass.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:46:00 -
[147]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Thats the thing you see i dont take care.
Except you do care, otherwise you'd have ignored this. Afterall, why defend yourself when it's "just a game"?
You cared enough about Veto coming and stomping you that you not only 'countered' it by logging off, but came to the forums to claim that they had to use a login trap to kill your group.
If you were a highly skilled/organized force, yeah sure maybe, and if it wasn't Veto., ok sure I might buy it.
But you're not a highly skilled group/leader, and you're trying to slander Veto. which is a group that nobody with half a brain is going to believe did what you claimed, when countless others know they don't do it.
Now stop shooting that bloody stump of a foot, and get the other one out of your mouth before you choke, and admit you screwed up and were wrong.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:48:00 -
[148]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: MILD BOB
I am said covert op...... so thanks everyone for calling me a liar, I love you all too.
What happened.
1) Sitting in enemy safe spot in Hervice, counting ships preparing a nice detailed list of primaries, listening to vent.
2) Gren shouts over vent, "****lots of profanities**** you said the gate was clear" to our gang scout.
3) Gren then admits the only way to save some gang members is to log off.
4) Gang logs, I volunteer to fly the 4 jumps to check system.
5) Arrive at said system and ask on vent..... "are you sure, nowt but neutrals". The system total wasn't even at 10 (about 5-6) so obviously thought wrong system.
6) Receive assurance that said system is right from the logged gang.
7) Call it safe and Gren volunteers to log in first.
8) Local explodes, numerous veto warp to gate from different directions and arrive before Gren does.
9) Gren warps to 200km + from gate and logs back out.
10) I sit and watch veto gang, until they jump away.
and here my story ends...... flame away, especially you who werenĘt there and love to kiss a*se to get special browny points from others.
I will not post again in this thread, as I hate the forums.
Full of 10 year olds and frustrated people.
Thanks
Bob
Gren is a good guy and like me likes to fly while drunk :)
To close this thread, I think Verone should explain Point 8 of the above quote and then the thread should be locked.
Deck
il explain the possibilities:
-10 pirates only show in local flashing now when they have agressed unless you've standings set 2wards them (this is how it is with my alt, standings in local is invariably bugged), they aggro'ed at the point to which you were in local, showing there colours so to speak.
Or
You simply had not noticed the system being small, they jumped in from another gate, then warped to your's, their alt knew where you were coming from and they were in position and were ready for you.
You are totally mistaken about this Vigil alliance, you can defend members, you must do in fact, but you must also relise you are mistaken about this one. Ive known Verone and most of the directorship a long time, they simply would not do what your saying, Verone's reputation is far too important to him to waste on such a tactic.
Im more certain on Verone speaking the truth about this than my own mother.
I think you should drop it now the community clearly spoke its opinions and you defended your Alliances actions. There is nothing more that will change here now.
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:05:00 -
[149]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
To close this thread, I think Verone should explain Point 8 of the above quote...
If we have a gang log out on us and the shout goes out on Ventrilo, then it's natural that people will start to scout out a new destination or more of our corp will head over to start probing people who've logged out.
We've got no time to sit around for people who will drop a gank squad on two or three of our members when they're solo or flying with a couple of other small ships, talk crap about us on public forums then lose a few ships and log off in combat if they see us in reasonable force.
As news passes through the corp about what happened, more people turn up and our scouts move out to look for a fresh destination.
There's nothing to explain to be honest, other than the fact that The Vigil jumped in and logged off under cloak, or in combat. What didn't get tackled got away and what did died or vanished as it logged off under cloak and only had a 30 second timer.
There was absolutely no call for any member of The Vigil to come to Eve-O talking crap about us after this engagement and accusing us of pulling a log in trap. Especially after their display and frankly with a complete lack of any form of evidence to back it up.
When I cought wind of the fact we were being lambasted publically for something we didn't do I defended my members to the hilt. Something I always have, and will continue to do when I know what they are being accused of is garbage.
Given the circumstances it's ironic to the point of amusement that it was the accusers who were playing the CTRL-Q games.
We're a very laid back corp once people are inside, but the few rules we do have are enforced to their full extent with only one repercussion for breaking them.
One guy with a loose tongue and no evidence at all to back up what he's saying, accusing as many as FIFTEEN of our members of something that ranks number one on our "Don't do it or you'll get booted" list is something we take pretty seriously.
Your Alliance needs to realise before it's too late that said guy with said tongue, will cause a lot of problems over time if he can't learn to either keep his opinions to himself, or back them up with fact.
My point is pretty much made.
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Darkopteron
Righteous-Indignation
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:45:00 -
[150]
Ahh, Veto. My favourite neighbours! The Vigil could really learn a thing or two from their's strategies. Good work Verone.
Hugs and kisses, Dark.
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HeyRahNah
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:15:00 -
[151]
hehehe.
Verone i want your babies!
Awesome thread though. havent lol'd so hard at some peoples posts in... well probably 10minutes ago when i was watching my bill bailey dvd wooo o/
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:22:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Verone
My point is pretty much made.
Thanks Verone. Nuff said.
clickety click plz
Deck
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ZigZag Joe
The Republican Guard
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:32:00 -
[153]
This thread is epic win. And gren when I thought my impression of you couldn't get any worse...you hit us with this
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.15 00:02:00 -
[154]
lol i do love verones pre-thought out posts. Always has such a funny, but well use of language and he's leik a ge0rdie!
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.15 00:41:00 -
[155]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: Verone
My point is pretty much made.
Thanks Verone. Nuff said.
clickety click plz
Deck
But if it gets locked you big blubbering pack of noobs can't dig your hole any deeper... and then who will we laugh at?
And by the way, I rule you.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.15 01:45:00 -
[156]
Quote:
big blubbering pack of noobs can't dig your hole any deeper... and then who will we laugh at?
isn't it obvious?
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:41:00 -
[157]
I totally enjoyed this tread, and the video wouldn't play for me so I think it deserves some Utube time!
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.15 06:17:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Mebrithiel Ju''wien on 15/08/2007 06:18:12
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: MILD BOB
8) Local explodes
To close this thread, I think Verone should explain Point 8 of the above quote and then the thread should be locked.
Not to be pedantic, besides the fact that Verone has already replied, but about 10 people in lowsec would imply a hub of sorts to me, or a large roaming MINING OP, no wait... pirate gang.
Unless Veto Corp are -10 to THE VIGIL, then they'll look like neutrals on local.
Hell, if the FC was drunk (as it appears he often is), the scout could quite easily be drunk too. Not to mention the dubious nature evident of this gangs posting here, I wouldn't be suprised if all accounts from the accused were fabricated.
I put it to this forum, that the mentioned parties herein, being Anti Pirate Inc of THE VIGIL alliance, accused of slander of Veto's good name, should pay recompense for the slight, harmful as it were to Veto Corps business practices and work ethics.
IRESTMYCASE
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew everywhere! |
Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.08.15 06:40:00 -
[159]
Get a room.
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Logi3
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.15 10:19:00 -
[160]
Just wanted to post on some of the art work in the thread which made me lol in work, boss asked "Whats made you laugh? You should be working!" :D
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Sae Sato
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.15 10:39:00 -
[161]
In the defense of all outlaws ever accused of login-trapping, there are tactics involving gates that can very much look like a login trap, but are far from it. Double-check numbers in local before making accusations, please. Even seemingly impossible fast reaction times of large outlaw gangs are most likely just cleverness
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 10:41:00 -
[162]
Just remembered this strip.
I find it prophetic. :)
linky
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
DeckardIRL
The Randoms
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.15 11:07:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
I put it to this forum, that the mentioned parties herein, being Anti Pirate Inc of THE VIGIL alliance, accused of slander of Veto's good name, should pay recompense for the slight, harmful as it were to Veto Corps business practices and work ethics.
IRESTMYCASE
Veto have War Dec'd us. If we are to pay, we will pay with our blood.
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Celestal
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Posted - 2007.08.15 11:54:00 -
[164]
This thread really does deliver .
All these pirates jumping up and down saying how honest , hard working and honourable they are .( all the mutual backslapping is quite sickening ).
Its a bit like the mugger in court explaining " yes your honour 5 of us did grab the little old granny , yes we dit beat beat her up , yes we did spit on her , yes we threatened to kill her , BUT once we had stolen her money and possessions we let her go . Therefore we demand as fine upstanding honest , and honourable members of the community that the court releases us now ". LOL
An awful lot of the people here need to climb down out of themselves , wipe themselves off and smell the fresh air.
brave/honourable pirates now theres an oxymoron , next people will start thinking that military intelligence is.
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Axel Drayus
Task Force Ranger
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Posted - 2007.08.15 12:07:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Celestal
Its a bit like the mugger in court explaining " yes your honour 5 of us did grab the little old granny , yes we dit beat beat her up , yes we did spit on her , yes we threatened to kill her , BUT once we had stolen her money and possessions we let her go . Therefore we demand as fine upstanding honest , and honourable members of the community that the court releases us now ".
This is one of the worst analogies I've ever read. Maybe you should re-read the thread and then re-write your analogy to reflect it.
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.08.15 12:11:00 -
[166]
no
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Dan Starkay
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:07:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Dan Starkay on 15/08/2007 13:06:45
Originally by: Celestal
no
Now there is an oxy - moron
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Boonaki
Caldari
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:25:00 -
[168]
The lesson here, don't **** with Verone.
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Great Artista
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:33:00 -
[169]
Veto login trap?!
Its bull**** and you know it yourself.
Rather big block of LOL for that.
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.08.15 14:10:00 -
[170]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Smack Free?
Veto Corp said nothing to those guys in local last night, I responded to several neutrals who said "Hi" and of course as usual we're still faced with a barrage of craptalk for no reason other than defending ourselves.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.15 14:22:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Smack Free?
Veto Corp said nothing to those guys in local last night, I responded to several neutrals who said "Hi" and of course as usual we're still faced with a barrage of craptalk for no reason other than defending ourselves.
rofl, awfully full of themselves for an alliance where "PvPers are in the minority, and most of them are relatively new players," aren't they?
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:11:00 -
[172]
Hehe, loved the Simpsonsig ;)
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:29:00 -
[173]
Hey, Gren, I think you need something stronger than a logoffski to get out of this one. May I suggest teh uninstallski?
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:45:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Smack Free?
Veto Corp said nothing to those guys in local last night, I responded to several neutrals who said "Hi" and of course as usual we're still faced with a barrage of craptalk for no reason other than defending ourselves.
I am sorry you had to suffer that and I apologise on behalf of our members. There is no excuse and I will take it further. Friendly chat is fine but the smack is a disgrace.
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |
Atreides Horza
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.08.15 20:32:00 -
[175]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Smack Free?
Veto Corp said nothing to those guys in local last night, I responded to several neutrals who said "Hi" and of course as usual we're still faced with a barrage of craptalk for no reason other than defending ourselves.
I am sorry you had to suffer that and I apologise on behalf of our members. There is no excuse and I will take it further. Friendly chat is fine but the smack is a disgrace.
Deck
Your patience with this chump is epic. He'd make a serial killer out of Ghandi...
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Ridley Tree
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 20:51:00 -
[176]
Verone mate, I'm sorry you have to put up with **** like this.
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Centinel 6
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.15 22:07:00 -
[177]
Ridley,
Get your tongue out of his \o/ gary. Dogs do that. Your not a dog are you gary. Although you have all the characteristics of a dog..with the exception to...(Snatch)
j/k
Had to go there Ridley
C6
Quote:
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Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.15 22:40:00 -
[178]
Cba to read tru the whole thread...
I was gonna say pwned when i read the post but "utterly bbq'ed" applies better in this case :P
Verone ftw
zephirz
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Insomnium
Minmatar
the united
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:26:00 -
[179]
I believe that the leaders of Vigil should not be the ones apologizing, instead the perpertraitors should be. It's mighty decent of them to do so, but like a wise man once said... he who smelt it, delt it.
/me gives Verone some hot loving.
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Funkmaster J
14K
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:51:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Funkmaster J on 15/08/2007 23:51:35
Originally by: Insomnium
/me gives Verone some hot loving.
Ok but going back to the topic at hand,
It's funny you should say that cuz I aer teh feckin Verone bumzecks winz0rageftw liek tbh.
o/ Verone :D
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Khutulu IV
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:59:00 -
[181]
Let it be known that I do not speak for The V I G I L, though PDO is a member corporation.
Verone, your reputation precedes you, and from what I have heard, you are both a skilled PvPer and an honest player.
It seems to me that this entire thread is full of hyperbole, and sycophantic rants, with very little by way of content. The crux of the matter is that gren accused Veto of a login trap and that prompter Verone to point out a "logoffski" event. I can see where that much is only fair. Obviously gren's group did log off while cloaked at a gate, as they have admitted, so no one is going to dispute that.
All that being said, I think things have gotten a bit out of control on this forum, and I don't think that a single event by single party should be used to judge an entire alliance. I will keep my oppinion of how wrong the event may or may not have been to myself, but I must say that a 7 page frag fest at the expense of gren is either ample payback or possibly more than enough.
There is one more point that I think should be made, and perhaps it will draw flames to me, but I'm going to say it anyway. Using words like "honor" or "courage" or anything like that when talking about Eve, ESPECIALLY when you are a pirate, is fairly silly. Dec said it earlier with his example, but it bears repeating; jumping into a belt and ransoming some n00b in a hauler for all of his ISK is considered "good pirating" and there is no talk of honor there, yet when an "anti-pie" (a term over used and oft ill-used) makes the slightest infraction, honor suddenly comes into play. I find the arbitrary choices of what is and what is not honorable in this game to be enough to disregard anyone's statements that a player acted without honor. I think most people would be best served either calling it an exploit, or an improper use of game mechanics.
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TheDagda
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.16 00:08:00 -
[182]
Thread cleaned, please stay on topic and do not bypass the profanity filter.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.16 00:22:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Khutulu IV
Let it be known that I do not speak for The V I G I L, though PDO is a member corporation.
Verone, your reputation precedes you, and from what I have heard, you are both a skilled PvPer and an honest player.
It seems to me that this entire thread is full of hyperbole, and sycophantic rants, with very little by way of content. The crux of the matter is that gren accused Veto of a login trap and that prompter Verone to point out a "logoffski" event. I can see where that much is only fair. Obviously gren's group did log off while cloaked at a gate, as they have admitted, so no one is going to dispute that.
All that being said, I think things have gotten a bit out of control on this forum, and I don't think that a single event by single party should be used to judge an entire alliance. I will keep my oppinion of how wrong the event may or may not have been to myself, but I must say that a 7 page frag fest at the expense of gren is either ample payback or possibly more than enough.
There is one more point that I think should be made, and perhaps it will draw flames to me, but I'm going to say it anyway. Using words like "honor" or "courage" or anything like that when talking about Eve, ESPECIALLY when you are a pirate, is fairly silly. Dec said it earlier with his example, but it bears repeating; jumping into a belt and ransoming some n00b in a hauler for all of his ISK is considered "good pirating" and there is no talk of honor there, yet when an "anti-pie" (a term over used and oft ill-used) makes the slightest infraction, honor suddenly comes into play. I find the arbitrary choices of what is and what is not honorable in this game to be enough to disregard anyone's statements that a player acted without honor. I think most people would be best served either calling it an exploit, or an improper use of game mechanics.
Doesn't matter what you want or think. By way of your alliance's actions, ppl will continue to flame your alliance, post this to your recruitment threads and generally have fun at your misery. :)
Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ. |
Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.16 01:44:00 -
[184]
Verone is the biggest log on cheat ever, everyone send him evemails explaining why this bad gameplay and he should grow up.
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.16 02:05:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Khutulu IV
Using words like "honor" or "courage" or anything like that when talking about Eve, ESPECIALLY when you are a pirate, is fairly silly. Dec said it earlier with his example, but it bears repeating; jumping into a belt and ransoming some n00b in a hauler for all of his ISK is considered "good pirating" and there is no talk of honor there, yet when an "anti-pie" (a term over used and oft ill-used) makes the slightest infraction, honor suddenly comes into play.
To me, and many other people, honor is keeping your word, respect, and staying true to your profession. Pirates and anti-pirates alike are expected to keep their word, whether it's a 1v1 or a ransom.
Pirates kill and ransom. When a pirate kills or ransoms you, they're staying true to their profession. If a pirate breaks their word and kills you after they ransom you, or brings friends into a 1v1, they're dishonorable.
TBH, more AP's do dishonorable acts than pirates because they think they have to do anything in order the kill the pirate scum, including breaking 1v1 or logging in combat.
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Posted - 2007.08.16 05:18:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Kirex
To me, and many other people, honor is keeping your word, respect, and staying true to your profession. Pirates and anti-pirates alike are expected to keep their word, whether it's a 1v1 or a ransom.
Pirates kill and ransom. When a pirate kills or ransoms you, they're staying true to their profession. If a pirate breaks their word and kills you after they ransom you, or brings friends into a 1v1, they're dishonorable.
TBH, more AP's do dishonorable acts than pirates because they think they have to do anything in order the kill the pirate scum, including breaking 1v1 or logging in combat.
I'll agree that honor is applicable in sticking to your word (e.g. keeping to a ransom or a 1v1), but not sticking to your profession. Sticking to what you do (like being a pie) is just being consistent. There is little honor in taking candy from a baby, even if you are a baby-candy-taker. That doesn't mean that being a pie makes you an a-hat automatically or anything, but it does make you a pie.
As for APs doing more dishonorable things than pies, thats up for debate. Both sides have their fair share of complete [insert bad words here]. One could argue that n00b pies are the worst of the worst...but it doesn't reflect the entire community, and honestly pirate gets more overused than AP in Eve. If I were a true pirate, I wouldn't be happy about ****ers in high-sec canbaiting 1 day olds and calling it piracy.
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Ridley Tree
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.16 09:47:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Khutulu IV
I don't think that a single event by single party should be used to judge an entire alliance.
There is a difference between Vigil and Veto however.
In Veto someone pulling a login trap or a logoffiski would not need to ask if he should leave the corp. He would not be told 'don't leave.' He would simply be kicked. Period. End of Story. Full Stop.
In VIGIL apparently the behavior is tolerated.
Your entire alliance is being judged based on the above. Not because someone did it. But because that someone faces no consequence.
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Antraxx
Caldari
Deviance Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.16 11:14:00 -
[188]
Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
I put it to this forum, that the mentioned parties herein, being Anti Pirate Inc of THE VIGIL alliance, accused of slander of Veto's good name, should pay recompense for the slight, harmful as it were to Veto Corps business practices and work ethics.
IRESTMYCASE
Veto have War Dec'd us. If we are to pay, we will pay with our blood.
Looking forward to smackfree battles and be assured there will be no logoffski's.
Deck
No offense to Vigil here..but..
If that statement is true Deckard i would be seriously concerned about GrenadierSimpson..
Through his actions your alliance has been dragged through the mud here.
Regarding Smack-Never have i seen anyone who smacks as much as Simpson can.
He managed to smacktalk your alliance into another war with Karnal as well as Veto.
Are we the threat to you that Veto are?-Perhaps not..
But personally-If we had a single member that could cause so much trouble..I'd be having doubt's right now..
Ooh..And for the record,and to the point of this thread...
Personally i cant see Veto pulling the login trap thing.We've had some damn fine fights with them,and have never seen anything other than exemplorary behaviour from their groups.
If half the pvp corps in eve were as organised and good at what they did as Veto are-That would be one hell of a battlefield..
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. |
Alt 123
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Posted - 2007.08.16 12:38:00 -
[189]
Yes Yes i am an alt specifically set up to post in the crime and punishment thread to protect my main's corp from being flamed to death from the biggest pirate popularity contest forum in eve online.
First of all i am neither pirate or anti pirate. I'm tucked away in 0.0 mining my ass off. I often read the crime and punishment forum for laughs and giggles but this one is pretty huge.
Mr Simpson has made a mistake throwing around accusations of abusing game mechanics without having the evidence to back it up. Verone countered this with an epic thread and video of simpson doing a logoffski. Simpson has not denied this. If i am correct simpson hasnt called veto for doing a log on trap just stated that he seen them perform one. As a neutral to this thread i have noticed some key things here:
* Anti Pirates dont stand a chance posting in here. Pirates jump down there throat within minutes of posts and flame them to death.
* Pirates kill defenseless ships, new players...basically anything they can without remorse, yet they use words like honor, courage, pride and respect. The way i see it is those words can be used from pirate to pirate but dont expect it from the rest of eve.
* I LMAO when i read that karnal knowledge and veto have war declared the V I G I L due to 2 incidents of simpson smack talking in local. If every non pirate corp or alliance in eve did this then then 95% of all pirate establishments would be war declared. Also i understand that kk and veto are mostly made up of outlaws that are bound to low sec and the said alliance dwell in high sec .
* The nail in simpsons coffin could of been sealed if verone would have shown an extra 2 minutes on the end of the logoffski video just to 100% prove him to be lying about veto performing a log on trap (that did confuse me). So now simpson cant prove his accusation and verone cant prove they didnt (although he had his chance with the video). Also strange.
Thats just my point on this epic thread but what do i know im a carebear.
Let the flames begin
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.08.16 14:49:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Alt 123
* The nail in simpsons coffin could of been sealed if verone would have shown an extra 2 minutes on the end of the logoffski video just to 100% prove him to be lying about veto performing a log on trap (that did confuse me). So now simpson cant prove his accusation and verone cant prove they didnt (although he had his chance with the video). Also strange.
I'd like to say I'm able to post it and would have loved nothing more to have solid footage to challenge it, but as with most people who run FRAPS our guys who do so turn it off after engagements, hence once everything was dead/logged off it got turned off AFAIK. The only reason that we had it running is because we were actually expecting a fight since these guys had been ganking or attempting to gank solo pilots or small gangs with their anti-pie blob patrol. Sadly when the tables were evened out it was more of a case of how quickly they could hit CTRL+Q.
A further 2 mins of footage would have been 1-2 gig of hard disk space, loading a 3-4 gig of fraps into the RAM of most pc's as one video when you're video editing makes most people's pc's die.
All I can offer in that respect is the word of my corporation, and my word which many know has never been broken as long as I've played Eve.
This thread was a response to him trolling our members in another with no evidence or basis for accusation. My point was that if he's pulling lame stunts like logging off in combat, and telling everyone under his command to do the same then he has no right to criticise anyone, or even attempt to throw around false claims that our members tried to log in trap him.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Alt 123
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Posted - 2007.08.16 15:31:00 -
[191]
I see what you are saying verone. Please dont take me as trying to accuse. You seem like an honest person. Anyway that is my portion for the forums for this year.
Goodbye pirates o/
P.S Did you delete the footage of simpson logging off for a second time straight after?
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Allota Fajina
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Posted - 2007.08.16 15:47:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Alt 123
I see what you are saying verone. Please dont take me as trying to accuse. You seem like an honest person. Anyway that is my portion for the forums for this year.
Goodbye pirates o/
P.S Did you delete the footage of simpson logging off for a second time straight after?
hmm - you speak almost exactly the same as grenadiersimpson using words phrases like "call you on it" and referring to grenadiersimpson as "simpson" (which is how he posts in comments on the vigil killboard) which leads me to the exciting conclusion that you are Grenadiersimpson's alt.
This coupled with the fact that you have posted almost the exact same argument again is quite funny really - 7 pages in and you still havn't got the point. Why not just continue posting with grenadier mate... i don't think it could get any worse for you.
Finally - grenadier/alt 123 please tell me what the difference is between 'calling' someone on a login trap and seeing them do it?
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zennith
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Posted - 2007.08.16 15:49:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Allota Fajina
Why not just continue posting with grenadier mate... i don't think it could get any worse for you.
Because he's already left the thread for good twice now
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Alt 123
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Posted - 2007.08.16 15:59:00 -
[194]
Oh my god
The paranoia in here. You see why i dont post with my main? Please show me where i have said "call you on it"? And also grenadiersimpson (i did it) is alot to type. I ts not even safe to post with alts in here.
Bye Bye
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Allota Fajina
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Posted - 2007.08.16 16:04:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Allota Fajina on 16/08/2007 16:05:54
Originally by: Alt 123
Oh my god
Please show me where i have said "call you on it"?
?
Originally by: Alt 123
If i am correct simpson hasnt called veto for doing a log on trap just stated that he seen them perform one.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics???
if not grenadiersimpson then simply post with ur main no?
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:27:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Allota Fajina
Originally by: Alt 123
Oh my god
Please show me where i have said "call you on it"?
?
Originally by: Alt 123
If i am correct simpson hasnt called veto for doing a log on trap just stated that he seen them perform one.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics???
....
Listen mate I havnt called you or anyone else for these tactics. this is what im trying to say. I havnt flamed you for pulling a log in trap all i have said is that you did
if not grenadiersimpson then simply post with ur main no?
Holy Burnination, Sherlock
That's gotta be some serious deduction right there or the harshest smack ever
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew everywhere! |
VooDoo SpYD3R
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:34:00 -
[197]
Who says its not safe to respond with alts..
Hello everyone, I'm a Alt.
Lighten the mood some.
Quote:
You Have 20 Sec...
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Vodoo Willie
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Posted - 2007.08.17 03:40:00 -
[198]
Holy mudda marry n jos'eph. If GSimpson be da measure a da anti-piwat, please be to all dat iz holy Grant me da powa to 'Yarr'
Me has asked ma corps, and dey all say dat Veto is good folk wordy a Respec, an be feared when dey afta youz.
So props ta Verone, an veto.
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port22
Royal Crimson Lancers
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Posted - 2007.08.17 08:18:00 -
[199]
<3 Verone
Originally by: Temp Boi
Port FTMFW Period.
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Wyliee
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:44:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Wyliee on 17/08/2007 10:44:56
seems like simpson has smacked his corp/alliance into war with at least 2 pvp corps and a pvp aliance.
vigils ships are poping all over the place, corps are leaving vigil.
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MILD BOB
Gallente
Firestorm Projects
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:23:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Wyliee
vigils t1 'kamikazee' cruisers are poping all over the place, one corp left vigil before the war started.
Fixed that for you.
Ever thought about taking propaganda lessons?
yes, I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread again.... but hey, what you going to do?
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El'Tar
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:27:00 -
[202]
Originally by: VooDoo SpYD3R
Who says its not safe to respond with alts..
Hello everyone, I'm a Alt.
Lighten the mood some.
Who are you?
Oh and nice thread Verone, made me rofl
Killboard
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:15:00 -
[203]
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:59:34
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:57:46
log in traps. They
+get kills
+aren't considered an Exploit
-labeled as lame by a few
WTF is the problem. They get kills through in-game means. Why do people label everything good that works as "lame". Log-in traps, using agression "station hugging", nanoships.
The entire point of PVP in this game is to get kills without loss. These things are the prime examples of this. If it works, isn't an exploit, and doesn't abuse people's gained trust over time "corp thieft" i say do it.
Its corps that use tactics like logging out or login traps or what ever lame ways of pvping like yours that have lead me through a checkered corp history.
I dont log at all. If i find out ceo's and or dictors are using logout tactics or anything as remotely lame I just up and leave the dumb ass corp. have no time for peeps like you.
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Lucille Naudin
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:16:00 -
[204]
In other news, combined Veto forces decimate the Vigil in high sec (Heimatar system, August 16).
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:07:00 -
[205]
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:59:34
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:57:46
log in traps. They
+get kills
+aren't considered an Exploit
-labeled as lame by a few
WTF is the problem. They get kills through in-game means. Why do people label everything good that works as "lame". Log-in traps, using agression "station hugging", nanoships.
The entire point of PVP in this game is to get kills without loss. These things are the prime examples of this. If it works, isn't an exploit, and doesn't abuse people's gained trust over time "corp thieft" i say do it.
Login traps are lame. jump in traps are borderline lame. hell nos ships that are used to cripple your foe when you clearly dont have gun or missile skills is also lame ( curse and pilgrim are exceptions ).
Its pretty clear you support lame tactics.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:01:00 -
[206]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
The V I G I L has been met with so many pirate so called exploits in the past they have basically turned round and said we have done it once and lets leave it at that.
Have they said that it can continue? Tell me how 'descending' to a level makes you better.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Now maybe my reputation to pirates who actually read these forums has been destroyed
It's not only pirates that read these forums and occasionally delurk to let people know that corporations that you may want to keep good relations with will always now be asking, If they have our backs, and things get a little too hot, can we rely on them?
You have spoken for your alliance. I hope your alliance realises that.
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SupaFlyTNT
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:18:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Lucille Naudin
In other news, combined Veto forces decimate the Vigil in high sec (Heimatar system, August 16).
Cowns back \o/
Also someone accusing Veto. of log traps made me laugh. You would be shown the door quicker than you can say P45 if the directors got wind of that!
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Antraxx
Caldari
Deviance Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:39:00 -
[208]
Originally by: MILD BOB
Originally by: Wyliee
vigils t1 'kamikazee' cruisers are poping all over the place, one corp left vigil before the war started.
Fixed that for you.
Ever thought about taking propaganda lessons?
yes, I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread again.... but hey, what you going to do?
Ooooh ...Now its all clear...
Guess that explains why we got the usual "Surrender" mail then huh?
They left when we first decced Vigil...War now lists a different start date as we kinda left it to late to renew and had to re-dec.
Propoganda?-Yeah right...
Oooh and btw-Try getting ALL your pilots to post their losses perhaps?
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Deviance Inc. is recruiting!-Eve mail me :)
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again. |
MILD BOB
Gallente
Firestorm Projects
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:38:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Antraxx
Originally by: MILD BOB
Originally by: Wyliee
vigils t1 'kamikazee' cruisers are poping all over the place, one corp left vigil before the war started.
Fixed that for you.
Ever thought about taking propaganda lessons?
yes, I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread again.... but hey, what you going to do?
Ooooh ...Now its all clear...
Guess that explains why we got the usual "Surrender" mail then huh?
They left when we first decced Vigil...War now lists a different start date as we kinda left it to late to renew and had to re-dec.
Propoganda?-Yeah right...
Oooh and btw-Try getting ALL your pilots to post their losses perhaps?
Wyliee said corps implying that The VIGIL is falling apart, which I can assure you it isn't. I merely pointed this FACT out and also that your high sec gank squad was met by a 'having a laugh' t1 cruiser squad (which, may i add, went back for seconds). His comment was clearly trying to further influence what people thought about the situation and hence was 'Propaganda' (notice the spelling with an 'a')...... sigh!
Why do you pirates always take things so seriously?... lighten up for heavens sake, its only a game. Maybe if we all remembered that I wouldn't be posting in a 7 page thread!
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Redbad
Minmatar
Tempered Steel Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:19:00 -
[210]
wowsers, what a messy thread here
Originally by: Redbad
Fairness
There are exploits in the game (there are in any online game). Using them is something that winds up most people. Don't do it - we're strong enough to prosper without cheating and doing so will only annoy everyone who isn't cheating.
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MILD BOB
Gallente
Firestorm Projects
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:21:00 -
[211]
*snip* Off-topic -TheDagda ([email protected])
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Yuri Orlov1985
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:40:00 -
[212]
Grendadier.....you have got to be the biggest imbecile ever born...you sir, are a moron.
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Kalek Astroth
Amarr
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Deus .Ex. Machina
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:36:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Kalek Astroth on 18/08/2007 04:37:10
during my short veto experience, i never saw veto members using log traps or other
lame or dubious tactics, that's why Veto has a reputation to preserve , they have
simple rules you have to follow (you can find the rules on veto forum), if you break
them you are out of the corp.
i really can't belive your sad accusations.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Shufo ([email protected]) |
Radek Boktor
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Posted - 2007.08.18 14:43:00 -
[214]
Hum, even i have a hard time to belive verrone's troop called, a log intrap...
fighting solo, yeah there id have to see the proof to belive it, but underhanded log in tactics nah...
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.08.18 14:47:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Allota Fajina
Edited by: Allota Fajina on 16/08/2007 16:29:45
Edited by: Allota Fajina on 16/08/2007 16:29:05
Edited by: Allota Fajina on 16/08/2007 16:05:54
Originally by: Alt 123
Oh my god
Please show me where i have said "call you on it"?
?
Originally by: Alt 123
If i am correct simpson hasnt called veto for doing a log on trap just stated that he seen them perform one.
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics???
....
Listen mate I havnt called you or anyone else for these tactics. this is what im trying to say. I havnt flamed you for pulling a log in trap all i have said is that you did
if not grenadiersimpson then simply post with ur main no?
it just keeps getting better and better
And by the way, I rule you.
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Interstellar Alcoholics Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.18 15:48:00 -
[216]
VIGIL have always been a bunch of smacktards when I've encountered them, and their a BLOB-O-MATIC too.
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Aviticus
Caldari
Deviance Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.18 16:14:00 -
[217]
I'm gonna have to side with VETO on this one. We've fought them, plenty of times and never witnessed any such log in traps.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.08.18 16:49:00 -
[218]
GRENADIERSIMPSON = FAIL
"I just like ships that are symmetrical, not ships with 5 propulsion jets on one side and 3 on the other and than maybe one in another random spot." |
KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:33:00 -
[219]
Quote:
Ok verone. First of all i did tell my squad to log off cloaked when we encountered your wall af red on the gate. Have i once said in any threads that my corp that i dont do this. NO!!!
I merely corrected dark elf on what he said. Now you can say allday long that you didnt do pull a log in trap after that till your blue in the face mate. When i logged back on nobody in system. This was confirmed by my cov ops pilot checking if it was clear. When i log back in all of a sudden at the same time your all back in system.
Now let me just say mate. It is not me that is coming on here lying ok. I tell the truth. Now have your vids of me telling my squad to log i dont care mate seriously i dont. What should i have done let all my squad die? Dont think so mate. Maybe i should of taken you all on and lost all my ships. 6 man squad vs 15+ gate camp. And dont give me ****e about honor and all that. Honor and respect is meant for real life ok, not a freeking game.
Now once again ive not lied once on these forums and still you say you didnt do what i said you did (log on trap). Now be a man and just admit it.
And also when have i called you or anybody for using these tactics??? Please point out when i have. I clearly reacted to a flase comment made by a veto corp member.
you may say that loging off to escape gank is not exploit, but it is 100% lame. Try to escape. sersoiuly, mmorpgs are supposed to create a second reality to some extent and logging out to escape a death really destroys the role play feel. Heck, if your gang is fit like a good pvp gang should, you would have been able to get a good portion of your ships out fine. have the ones with mwd mwd back to the gate, if you have any ecm boats use them to ecm the tacklers while slower **** gets out. You don't have to be lame to survive.
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baron corrino
Gallente
Endgame.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.19 02:50:00 -
[220]
Comms open: 'Church of YArr'!!! ...in seclusion/recovery (undisclosed location):
In my time with Veto, I have only this to say!
Ransoms are Honored, Promises made are promises Kept, their word is paramount, and they never EVER Logofski!
So for you my dear Mr.Simpson to even dare to tarnish the good name of the 'Family' a simple reply!
SHHHHH!!!!
My brothers and sisters don't and never will logoff!!
'CAN I GET A 'PRAISE AND BLESSED' FROM THE CONGREGATION!!!
'LET ME HEAR YOU ALL 'YARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!'
comms out:
Baron
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.08.19 03:04:00 -
[221]
ah ha ha...
veto resorting to login traps
kinda like racketeers honoring ransoms
why on earth would veto do that? like they¦d log out of eve just to wait for a bunch of nubs to log back in.
GRENADIER: you¦ve been pwnd
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
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Cyriel Longinus
XERCORE
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Posted - 2007.08.19 10:55:00 -
[222]
o_O
/jabs at this thread
Is this thing still on?
All we need now is...
Seeleene, SirMole, Joshua Foritain and some Goons to add their comments.
James 315 can elaborate on how this one incident is evidence that whichever sauce that BOB marinates their BBQ with does indeed effect which region will be lost or gained the following day.
Minigin needs to toss in some green text if he hasn't already.
LoxyRider & Dire Lauthris work with Verone on a special director's cut version of the evidence vid made for EvE TV.
Then this thread will be disturbingly complete.
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Cown
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:42:00 -
[223]
Here's a little collection of what we've done to The V I G I L the last few days:
clicky
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.19 12:13:00 -
[224]
Lets see...so far KK High sec gang against V I G I L..40 summat kills, 2 losses.And thats not including Veto or DL or KK low sec gang kills.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:12:00 -
[225]
Veto might be a bit arrogant, but they are honorable enough that they wouldn't do this.
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Krana Tranor
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:37:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Veto might be a bit arrogant, but they are honorable enough that they wouldn't do this.
They're not arrogant... just good
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The Socialworker
Minmatar
The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:39:00 -
[227]
What we need here is a socialworker.
So you were running tough at the head of your gang GS? Messed up and called a Logoffski. Mutterings for this in the gang/alliance led to you going on the offensive against veto on the forums to save face at home? and truth and honour be dambed? Do you need a tissue now?
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:11:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Cown
Here's a little collection of what we've done to The V I G I L the last few days:
clicky
OMG... Vigil is getting raped on the forums and in-game... Just surrender, it's the only option left...
GREAT vid.. But Amarr need a boost, they really really do...
Taxman II: Amarr Safari
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ridik ulass
Furious Angels
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.08.20 12:21:00 -
[229]
i think its clear by cown's ability that log on traps are NOT nessary.
Blood on my torp or isk in my wallet
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PhantomVyper
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:11:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Cown
Here's a little collection of what we've done to The V I G I L the last few days:
clicky
OMFG Cown is back!!!
Downloading it now, and may many more movies follow this one.
/PV wipes the brown stuff of his nose
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Vladic Ka
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 22:47:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Cown
Here's a little collection of what we've done to The V I G I L the last few days:
clicky
Nice vid and pvp but dude sort out your overview thats just screaming for a concordokken.
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CyanideNGK
Gallente
Leader Dogs For The Blind
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Posted - 2007.08.20 23:11:00 -
[232]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
Im not gonna read this whole topic, so excuse me if this has been said before.
If you had a cov ops... why did you jump into the gate camp?
Seriously, if you have a cov ops with you, why in **** isn't he scouting for your squad which you seem to care so much about?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.21 02:18:00 -
[233]
Originally by: CyanideNGK
Edited by: CyanideNGK on 20/08/2007 23:13:33
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
Im not gonna read this whole topic, so excuse me if this has been said before.
If you had a cov ops... why did you jump into the gate camp? Then you try and back up using loggoff tactics by saying its for the best of your squad? I think the best thing for your squad would be to have a scout. And if you have a cov ops then *slaps face* USE IT AS THE SCOUT!
Seriously, if you have a cov ops with you, why in **** isn't he scouting for your squad which you seem to care so much about?
It appears that the Veto gang left the system and was either patiently waiting in the next system or just about to move on. So when the covops pilot took a look at local, he didn't see any Veto in system and gave the all clear. Then, when Gren and company logged back in, Veto returned to the system, warped to the gate where Gren's boys logged and then pwnt Vigil's buttocks.
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Tbone
Caldari
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.21 02:36:00 -
[234]
<3 VERONE. Busted balls. Verone is true to his word and his word is final. UR BUSTED!!!!
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Cown
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 06:48:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Cown
Here's a little collection of what we've done to The V I G I L the last few days:
clicky
Nice vid and pvp but dude sort out your overview thats just screaming for a concordokken.
Never happend... so no need mate
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nakKEDK
Gallente
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.08.21 07:33:00 -
[236]
why spend time onm the vigil?
dont bother arguing with me, cause im allways right. Well at least sometimes. |
Caztor Pollux
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2007.08.21 09:09:00 -
[237]
I have flown with VETO many times and they have never ordered the log in trap or a log out escape. These guys are far too good at their jobs to need to do it.
Don't lie, thieve, cheat or steal. The Government do not like the competition. |
Vladic Ka
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:31:00 -
[238]
Eep!
Just watched DeckardIRL on evetv.
Asking CCP for logs?
Eep!
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.26 00:50:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Eep!
Just watched DeckardIRL on evetv.
Asking CCP for logs?
Eep!
Yeah, I had a chuckle at that.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:35:00 -
[240]
Unofficial Rules of Crime and Punishment for non-pirates:
1. Never trust a pirate.
2. If you didn't see it coming it was OBVIOUSLY some form of exploit.
3. Yes you should absolutely be able to solo a gang of pirates who've been playing for years, been operating in lowsec for almost as long, are in a proper gang, with ships fitted to cover most eventualities and whom are all using vent/ts. Because you are clearly morally, technologically and tactically better.
4. When your mother tells you dinner is on the table, it's considered polite to turn the computer off for the duration of the meal.
We need to get this message out if we're to continue seeing threads made of win.
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Marcathonas
Minmatar
The Krazy Killer Kitty Kats From Kent
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:57:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Antraxx
Oooh and btw-Try getting ALL your pilots to post their losses perhaps?
Only time VIGIL ever posted all their losses to one single alliance at war with them, they dropped down to 48% efficiency, and it worried them a fair bit.
And that only happened because some people in VIGIL thought their own safety was more important than any information that they might find out (like their KB password).
Some of them are still in VIGIL, which I guess says a lot.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:20:00 -
[242]
veto probably don't log, but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
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Bosie
Caldari
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:29:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Lord Zoran
veto probably don't log, but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
We heard there were free pies to be had.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND." |
General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:29:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Lord Zoran
veto probably don't log, but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
As far as i know Veto is the most honorable pirate corp in EVE and so far i never seen them to do something that woud say otherwhise , even on the forums
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:55:00 -
[245]
lulz, u bein servd
Rabblerabble -Sahwoolo |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.26 14:59:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Lord Zoran
veto don't log
I've edited this quote of your post for clarity. Everyone wearing our banner is well aware of the consequences for doing so, or for any other form of borderline exploit or frowned upon gameplay.
Originally by: Lord Zoran
but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
We're fast approaching 100 active members across all timezones, so yes we're starting to experiment more with fielding larger gangs and getting our gang leaders versed in leading larger groups.
The results so far have been encouraging on the whole
People who have mentioned the killboard fiasco with regards to The Vigil are more than welcome to visit our website at www.veto-corp.com for an accurate account of the campaign thus far, our killboard accuracy along with our reputation for fair play is something we pride ourselves on, and any discrepencies in either are more than welcomed when brought to my attention via EveMail.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Pestilence Aligher'ri
Caldari
V i L e
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Posted - 2007.08.26 15:13:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Lord Zoran
veto don't log
I've edited this quote of your post for clarity. Everyone wearing our banner is well aware of the consequences for doing so, or for any other form of borderline exploit or frowned upon gameplay.
Originally by: Lord Zoran
but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
We're fast approaching 100 active members across all timezones, so yes we're starting to experiment more with fielding larger gangs and getting our gang leaders versed in leading larger groups.
The results so far have been encouraging on the whole
People who have mentioned the killboard fiasco with regards to The Vigil are more than welcome to visit our website at www.veto-corp.com for an accurate account of the campaign thus far, our killboard accuracy along with our reputation for fair play is something we pride ourselves on, and any discrepencies in either are more than welcomed when brought to my attention via EveMail.
Killboards mean nothing really. Respect gained from combat is everything.
I can hide behind an army too. Welcome to combat Verone...
*cough*
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.26 15:31:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Pestilence Aligher'ri
Killboards mean nothing really. Respect gained from combat is everything.
I can hide behind an army too. Welcome to combat Verone...
*cough*
Hi Famine,
While I agree that killboards mean very little, most people use them as a reference to the combat performance of their corporation or to highlight members of the corp who are taking consistent losses and may need financial support.
The majority of combat for most of our members ends in a ransom, more than often of the sucessful variety.
The fact that we have a killboard to track those we choose not to ransom or those who refuse to pay means that we're obliged to keep it up to date with both kills and losses, which is what I was pointing out in the post above.
Statistics mean very little to me but there are those in Eve including those who've expressed interest in this thread regarding killboard stats, hence my inclusion of the link to our website.
As for hiding behind an army, I always expect you to try to slip the knife in and twist it when you post with my name quoted.
It's nice to see you're still active and playing.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Pestilence Aligher'ri
Caldari
V i L e
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Posted - 2007.08.26 15:46:00 -
[249]
I aim to please!
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.30 13:21:00 -
[250]
Ahhhh lets see here, as of last night the War against The V I G I L and KK with the 13 kills makes it 178 kills, 24 losses 68.18 efficiency. And thats just our kills, add Veto's and whoever else is wacking them and thats a lot of iskies lost.
Haven't seen that smack-talking Simpson dude around in ages.
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iLoveYour TastyNoobTears
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Posted - 2007.08.30 17:01:00 -
[251]
Pwnt
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:18:00 -
[252]
Yes Verone, you are the bigest spaming who*** in EVE, after Ginger and Tiller.
Take now this fu**** upp topic and go and die.
And yes you do log in traps becaus you are a noob with in a noob corp.
Now you know, dont ask again, just go and die.
Btw, keep up the crapy topics, how would peope know you are if you did not?
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Bodhisattvas
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.08.31 07:09:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Tarantelita
Yes Verone, you are the bigest spaming who*** in EVE, after Ginger and Tiller.
Take now this fu**** upp topic and go and die.
And yes you do log in traps becaus you are a noob with in a noob corp.
Now you know, dont ask again, just go and die.
Btw, keep up the crapy topics, how would peope know you are if you did not?
I'd like to hire you as a PR assistant
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.31 10:38:00 -
[254]
Gosh Tarantelita are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Does yer left hand have a headache? And did your right hand runaway with the milkman?
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Johnny Wiseacre
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Posted - 2007.08.31 12:55:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Tarantelita
Yes Verone, you are the bigest spaming who*** in EVE, after Ginger and Tiller.
Take now this fu**** upp topic and go and die.
And yes you do log in traps becaus you are a noob with in a noob corp.
Now you know, dont ask again, just go and die.
Btw, keep up the crapy topics, how would peope know you are if you did not?
I cannot seem to see Tarantelita's picture (! only). Can anyone confirm he is pictured in Verone's siggy ?
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:54:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
Originally by: Tarantelita
Yes Verone, you are the bigest spaming who*** in EVE, after Ginger and Tiller.
Take now this fu**** upp topic and go and die.
And yes you do log in traps becaus you are a noob with in a noob corp.
Now you know, dont ask again, just go and die.
Btw, keep up the crapy topics, how would peope know you are if you did not?
I'd like to hire you as a PR assistant
I am not cheap ;)
And where is my pic!
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:02:00 -
[257]
Blargh, guess I'll be moving my post from the other thread over into this one, so..here goes again:
I was in Veto Academy once for a short while, and then got kicked out.
Which is not really relevant..What is relevant though is that during my time there, I was once in Syndicate, jumped through a gate that had a crapload of T2 frigates camping it - So my game crapped itself and booted me out (first time it happened too)..I quickly try to log back in to hopefully take someone down with me.
Alas, I log on, the screen tries to load - Freezes up and drops me again. I then finally after a bit of waiting, get back on and see massive hull damage, but my ship is alive.
Surprised I praise myself extremely lucky..that is, until the people who tried to gank me, report the incident to Veto and I'm suddenly faced with being accused of loggin to save my ship. It was a nightmare to have to explain over and over what had happened and trying to make Verone and hUssman believe me.
Veto are zealous about these things and their image, I can personally vouch for that despite whatever differences I had with Verone and some of the others in Veto.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Romale
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:25:00 -
[258]
Verone could say he did it, the target could provide fraps, the virgin marry herself could appear before me ******* hanging out and everything telling me its true, and i still wouldn't believe it
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.09.01 02:36:00 -
[259]
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:59:34
Edited by: DubanFP on 13/08/2007 17:57:46
log in traps. They
+get kills
+aren't considered an Exploit
-labeled as lame by a few
WTF is the problem. They get kills through in-game means. Why do people label everything good that works as "lame". Log-in traps, using agression "station hugging", nanoships.
The entire point of PVP in this game is to get kills without loss. These things are the prime examples of this. If it works, isn't an exploit, and doesn't abuse people's gained trust over time "corp thieft" i say do it.
Actually, they are considered an exploit these days, and I've been told that there are very serious consequences if you are a repeat offender.
Just interjecting here.
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.09.01 02:39:00 -
[260]
Wow, guys, I just had an epiphany--who ******* cares!?
Karlemgne is going to move on with his life.
-Karl
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MonwrathDisortium
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.09.01 10:23:00 -
[261]
Having fought against both parties at different points, I am going to have to side with Veto on this.
The VIGIL havent shown me anything to be respected in our engagements while Veto has earned my respect over a number of engagments.
I may not like Veto but I do respect them and dont think they would stoop the login trap.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.01 13:27:00 -
[262]
I'm in iceland at present working with Eve-TV but this is something I'll look into when I get back on September 11th.
It's amusing that someone, probably an alt of someone we've annoyed in the past or more likely from The V I G I L has chosen a time when I'm away to try to trash our name. It really shows the caliber of people we're dealing with.
Members of our corp don't use these tactics, it's as simple as that. The fact we have such a strict set of rules on this stuff only incites people into trying to hammer us into the ground with completely false allegations of stuff.
Of course it's kind of ironic that the same people very rarely post with their main, as seen in this thread, or seem to make random accusations with absolutley no evidence at all.
People who have potentially may have an issue with something one of our members has done are more than welcome to mail me and i'll look into it.
As for taking the time to wait and do this when I'm away with Eve-TV, which has been publically announced on these forums, is not only lame, but completely pathetic.
Nice going, but if you're going to call us out, have some EVIDENCE to do so, and I'll look into it.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Yblarbo Janks
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:23:00 -
[263]
Since Verone is away and having fun, he said it's ok if the Janks can be serious for one minute and post some quick facts to either disprove this accusation, or clear up a mistake on behalf of Multispec.
Multispec posted:
Quote:
I was mining in old man star yesterday and noticed a pirate in local (machett3 from veto). I managed to warp out of the belt just in time (saw him on the grid as i entered warp). So i dock up and wait for him to leave. after about 20 minutes hes gone from local so i head back to my can in the belt to see if its still there.
as i arrive at the belt i see machett3 enter local again, thinking hes just jumped in from another system i quickly loot my can and begin my warp back to the station, i wasnt fast enough as machett3 suddenly appeard in the belt from a random direction (logoff spot inline with nothing) and way faster than he should have been. So i died, thats ok i can take the hit but what i cant take is veto saying they dont do loing traps then doing them anyway!?
" (machett3 from veto)" , and you spelled it machett3 twice more.
This person "machett3" is not Veto.
maCH'EttE is Veto.
maCH'EttE stated in our forums his online time has been highly sporatic, due to real life. 8/30 is when this incident happened you state. He tells the corp he wasn't online that day. Looking at our killboard, the last kills were with a Veto. gang on August 24th, before that the 19th. Being ingame a lot while at work - Jank's can personally say he doesn't recall seeing maCH'EttE even in the corp channel the past few days. We tried - but could not find a killboard you are associated with.. no luck though.
So what exactly is going on - is this a simple mistaken identity of your attacker ? Do you just recognize the posters name being in Veto and made an honest mistake? Janks would like to think so...
Or was this a very half-assed attempt of an accusation, and machett3 as compared to maCH'EttE (Eve-O Forum Poster Galore, just so happened to come up on the character search while the accusation was being formulated in your head - because it would be very tough to get the name wrong seeing how you would have a kill mail in your inbox with the correct spelling to go with the corp.
So - which was it?
I shot a man in Mara, just to watch him Die.
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Hobbledehoy
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.02 05:35:00 -
[264]
sigh... I was almost considering coming back to this game (which i never bothered to cancel my account for since i've played it for like 3 years) until i saw this thread. No thank you hours of scheming to catch someone to watch them logoffski.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a pirate. I do not condone anti-pirate actions nor assistance of carebears. I am a proud supporter of the stop-carebears-from-greiving-our-wallets foundation. |
M15510NMaN000101
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:58:00 -
[265]
I think I'm a bit late on the subject but the VIGIL are honestly just a bunch of hidden targets. They claim they are anti-pie but I've never seen them, by a vast majority, do anything but hug stations and let their corp/alliance mates get butchered or respond in such trivial manners.
They do have some good pilots but the alliance as a whole is a cluster of ******** behavior.
You said that you don't get what the deal about respect and honor are? HAHA! Understanding the meaning behind these words might help defend your statements. Being an idiot isn't anyone's fault but being ignorant to the fact is just plain stupidity.
These words are not limited on the basis that you aren't "in-person" or that this is a game. They are taken from social behavior and the way you look at another person's character(definition for this as well down below) If I'm not mistaken, this has a large amount to do with EVE as well. If you don't understand that then you my friend are just about blind.
If you don't understand them from general common sense and social behavior in general please read below. I have some definitions for Greenthumb Simpson.
Moral character or character is an evaluation of an individual's moral qualities. The concept of character can imply a variety of attributes including the existence or lack of integrity, courage, fortitude, honesty, loyalty, or virtue. The concept of moral character is not specific to a particular religion, culture, or country.
Respect is an assumption of good faith and competence in another person or in the whole of oneself. Depth of integrity, trust, complementary moral values, and skill are necessary components.
&
Honour or honor (see spelling differences - American English is Honor and Honour is British English), is the evaluation of a personĘs trustworthiness and social status based on that individual's espousals and actions. Honour is deemed exactly what determines a person's character: whether or not the person reflects honesty, respect, integrity, or fairness. Accordingly, individuals are assigned worth and stature based on the harmony of their actions, code of honour, and that of the society at large. Honour can be analysed as a relativistic concept, i.e., conflicts between individuals and even cultures arising as a consequence of material circumstance and ambition, rather than fundamental differences in principle. Alternatively, it can be viewed as nativist ł that honour is as real to the human condition as love, and likewise derives from the formative personal bonds that establish one's personal dignity and character.
At the end of it all, you change your statement to it has to be earned? I do believe someone saying that they had respect for your entire alliance was a compliment. You took it backwards and completely swiped that away for the whole of your alliance it seems just because you have a quick finger to type blatant and unjustified comments here to better yourself when it is nothing but crap. So they are piwats and you aren't? It probably doesn't matter. I know who has more fun, hehe.
I seem to remember being in a local with your alliance, this being VIGIL, and you sitting in stations talking in local as a whole that you didn't understand what some piwat corp/alliance's war dec was about. I think most of them were blinky red and you guys did nothing. This coming from an outside individual how can you call yourself anti-pies when you just hide from all the action because you MIGHT get beaten?
When a pirate alliance decs you and comes to your turf you don't fight? LOL. You'll never get respect if you don't put it out there.(Not talking to you individually)
Lastly, I must say that Veto our honorable and respectful in every meaning of the words and you guys I know aren't. So please keep coming into these forums and depreciate your alliance's name.
Good Day.
I Know DEREK
I R EXPERT
I Play With Myself
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.09.02 12:12:00 -
[266]
Well said. We've been bringing it to their little home system for days now, still the same 3 or 4 people docked all the time. When they did finally "bring it" they outnumbered us, but we still beat em.
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Dionisius
Gallente
The School of Fine Art
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Posted - 2007.09.02 13:52:00 -
[267]
Why don't you all wardec each other?And like pew pew pewit out in the deep space?
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Originally by: Splagada
Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39
in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. |
Raynes Orbis
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:01:00 -
[268]
Edited by: Raynes Orbis on 02/09/2007 14:01:19
Originally by: missquid
Haven't seen that smack-talking Simpson dude around in ages.
Probably stuck in his own log out trap...
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M15510NMaN000101
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:26:00 -
[269]
LOL, just as Miss said, they go into stations and watch local. If you go to "pirate stories" as well, this Greenthumb Simpson, also talks about how he is bantering the Veto guys one day. Hiding in the station waiting to get his gang mates together and kill them.
I'm not too sure how that all went honestly but, I think talking badly about a corp/alliance such as Veto openly and outloud in the manners this one guy has will force some definate and unwanted attention to his own alliance.
I mean seriously, you are sitting there acting tough calling Veto login trappers when they actually showed proof with one of your members "dropping" completely out of nowhere. Another thing, I find funny is that my exact story I told earlier in this thread is happening again with those guy's war-dec. Extreme LAWLZ in your direction.
I can't recall seeing many or any other V I G I L in this thread bashing just good ol' Greenthumb Simpson. Many of the posts I've seen is him being boldly outclassed by the other readers of these forums.
IMO, which it doesn't matter to me if you care at all but, they should drop you on your face and ship and pod kill you until your roles drop. That would set an example for anyone there that your behaviour is unwanted and unacceptable. LAWLZlAWLZlawLZlawlz
PROFFESIONALL ALT POSTER
I Know DEREK
I R EXPERT
I Play With MYSELF
Verone > Stavros
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.09.02 17:54:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Lord Zoran
veto don't log
I've edited this quote of your post for clarity. Everyone wearing our banner is well aware of the consequences for doing so, or for any other form of borderline exploit or frowned upon gameplay.
Originally by: Lord Zoran
but they seem to be starting to gank now (no i didnt get ganked), seen a large (20 odd or summat ) of em in amamake the other day
We're fast approaching 100 active members across all timezones, so yes we're starting to experiment more with fielding larger gangs and getting our gang leaders versed in leading larger groups.
The results so far have been encouraging on the whole
People who have mentioned the killboard fiasco with regards to The Vigil are more than welcome to visit our website at www.veto-corp.com for an accurate account of the campaign thus far, our killboard accuracy along with our reputation for fair play is something we pride ourselves on, and any discrepencies in either are more than welcomed when brought to my attention via EveMail.
you could've just said that you were starting to experiment with ganking instead of saying fielding larger gangs which is obv the same thing......i do admit you have a fair amount of honor in your corp but i am still yet to see proof that you arent jsut another corp that is going to start ganking anyone in sigh by an ever increasing size blob of boredom
and yes the results would be encouraging as there is little skill (and fun) involved in ganking imho
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Lion El'Johnson
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.02 18:57:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Lord Zoran
you could've just said that you were starting to experiment with ganking instead of saying fielding larger gangs which is obv the same thing......i do admit you have a fair amount of honor in your corp but i am still yet to see proof that you arent jsut another corp that is going to start ganking anyone in sigh by an ever increasing size blob of boredom
and yes the results would be encouraging as there is little skill (and fun) involved in ganking imho
I think you will find Verone was talking more about the teamworking aspect and the meshing of the group at large.
But then again Veto is indeed growing as an alliance and is pretty feared for its exceptionally high level of PvP skill. I would expect nothing less than being called a gank squad with no skill and that we bring the blob by someone obviously scared of what Veto is becoming.
Veto will continue to grow as an alliance and continue to uphold our rules and high standards.
Veto will continue to pillage, steal and basically make the world an unhappy place for you "law abiding" citizens.
And now we have the added bonus of having the manpower to strike total and utter fear into the hearts of all anti-pirates.
Veto forever.
Lion.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word,
which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND."
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Demarcus
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.09.03 08:20:00 -
[272]
Originally by: GRENADIERSIMPSON
Ok so im blind then? And my cov ops pilot is?
Listen mate I havnt called you or anyone else for these tactics. this is what im trying to say. I havnt flamed you for pulling a log in trap all i have said is that you did. I know this and my squad know this.
So congrats on the video evidence of me logging off in cloak (which i have never called or denied). So call me all you like on here mate i havnt denied doing this. Although i will say this is the first time i have done it.
Im only sorry i wasnt frapsing at the time when i logged back on.
Incidently is it shown on your video 1 minutes after i logged? I will look now.
Quit while your only way behind, the man is making ya look dumb.
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You are all worthless, and weak.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.09.03 18:59:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Lion El'Johnson
Originally by: Lord Zoran
you could've just said that you were starting to experiment with ganking instead of saying fielding larger gangs which is obv the same thing......i do admit you have a fair amount of honor in your corp but i am still yet to see proof that you arent jsut another corp that is going to start ganking anyone in sigh by an ever increasing size blob of boredom
and yes the results would be encouraging as there is little skill (and fun) involved in ganking imho
I think you will find Verone was talking more about the teamworking aspect and the meshing of the group at large.
But then again Veto is indeed growing as an alliance and is pretty feared for its exceptionally high level of PvP skill. I would expect nothing less than being called a gank squad with no skill and that we bring the blob by someone obviously scared of what Veto is becoming.
Veto will continue to grow as an alliance and continue to uphold our rules and high standards.
Veto will continue to pillage, steal and basically make the world an unhappy place for you "law abiding" citizens.
And now we have the added bonus of having the manpower to strike total and utter fear into the hearts of all anti-pirates.
Veto forever.
Lion.
i think veto need to have a good look at what they are becoming........
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.03 23:27:00 -
[274]
Edited by: Verone on 03/09/2007 23:27:42
Originally by: Lord Zoran
Originally by: Lion El'Johnson
Originally by: Lord Zoran
you could've just said that you were starting to experiment with ganking instead of saying fielding larger gangs which is obv the same thing......i do admit you have a fair amount of honor in your corp but i am still yet to see proof that you arent jsut another corp that is going to start ganking anyone in sigh by an ever increasing size blob of boredom
and yes the results would be encouraging as there is little skill (and fun) involved in ganking imho
I think you will find Verone was talking more about the teamworking aspect and the meshing of the group at large.
But then again Veto is indeed growing as an alliance and is pretty feared for its exceptionally high level of PvP skill. I would expect nothing less than being called a gank squad with no skill and that we bring the blob by someone obviously scared of what Veto is becoming.
Veto will continue to grow as an alliance and continue to uphold our rules and high standards.
Veto will continue to pillage, steal and basically make the world an unhappy place for you "law abiding" citizens.
And now we have the added bonus of having the manpower to strike total and utter fear into the hearts of all anti-pirates.
Veto forever.
Lion.
i think veto need to have a good look at what they are becoming........
Oh, believe me Veto Corp will remain the same for as long as TQ runs.
As for this post you've highlighted, it'll be dealt with in due course when I return from iceland.
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Khutulu IV
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Posted - 2007.09.05 23:47:00 -
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Thanks to the GM who thought that locking another thread and linking people here was a good idea.
Someone outside of vigil making accusations against Veto doesn't need to be linked back here to dig up the past.
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Khadur
Minmatar
Spontaneous Defenestration
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.06 01:46:00 -
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o/ verone, i'll shake some people up and get he's corspe
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.09.06 03:55:00 -
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I am told that verone wears these silly hats on eve-tv to hide the fact he is a balding slap head ?
show it isnt so , your fans want proof that you really are the virile stud monkey you come across as .
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WaTeRmElOn MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:42:00 -
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PS Pyro sucks!!
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zoran
you could've just said that you were starting to experiment with ganking instead of saying fielding larger gangs which is obv the same thing......i do admit you have a fair amount of honor in your corp but i am still yet to see proof that you arent jsut another corp that is going to start ganking anyone in sigh by an ever increasing size blob of boredom
and yes the results would be encouraging as there is little skill (and fun) involved in ganking imho
I think everyone just needs to realize that Veto is nothing special. They are a pirate corp with members who like each other and what do they do on their spare time? They pirate. They are not the best pirates in the game. They are not the best PvPers in the game. They aren't the coolest, classiest and bravest in the game. They also however are not the worst. The fact that the corp gets so much exposure is simply due to their forum whoring. No offense intended of course but it's the truth.
Stop the Veto fanboi/hating crap. It's just another pirate corp.
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missquid
Minmatar
Taurus Inc
Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.09.09 13:39:00 -
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Quote:
I am told that verone wears these silly hats on eve-tv to hide the fact he is a balding slap head ?
I dunno, I thought the Doo Rag looked ok, Ive seem worse on Eve TV.
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