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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:22:00 - [1] This thread is a counter-whine :P (not really but haha) I've been reading a lot of stuff lately about how the Myrmidon is broken. Well, it's not. Everybody right now is totally stroking the tier 2 battlecruisers simply because they are all awesome. Drakes are great tankers, Myrmidons are amazing dps tools, Hurricanes are fury in a bottle and Harbingers are tough to break. Simply, they all rock. The Gallente have always claimed drone fame and still do. You can't nerf a ship's highslots because they can use drones. And, the slots are basically as balanced as the other ships, all things considered. Finally, the ability to use any gun is available on ANY SHIP so that is an empty argument. Want to use autocannons on a Megathron? Be my guest! Nobody is stopping you! That's simply it. Not a super long whine or a huge wall of text; just thoughts about the Myrmidon and it's balance. Moved to Ships and Modules from EVE General Discussion. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) _________________ Burn.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 14/08/2007 08:29:50 Thank god I'm not a mod because I would lock this for lack of REAL content Nyrf the damn ship... I suggest removing 5 m3 drone bay I would actually also recommend moving a medslot to a hi-slot without possibility of fitting a gun (utility slot). Or just make it able to fit 1 less turret (still utility slot). - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:29:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2007 08:33:28 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You can't nerf a ship's highslots because they can use drones. Its not that they can use drones, its that they can use so many of them compared to other races. A nerf is actually exactly what is needed. I have no idea why the balancing devs feel that oversized drone bays are balanced on gallente ships. Tell me some of the drawbacks of gallente ships that makes oversized drone bays something essential. Its difficult to find a good reason for it. Im still a bit annoyed that the balancing devs didnt listen to the ones who thought that 100 m3 of drones would be very much enough (me, for example). I mean, the ship was weak when it was introduced, then buffed TWICE to make it the most overpowered ship of all the new battlecruisers. There must be a limit to what is balanced in the name of "we are the close combat race". --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Katashi Ishizuka	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:30:00 - [4] tbh Myr should have stayed at 100m3 drone bay but whatever, what's done is done, I trained up for gallente BC / sensor dampening just like everyone else. Fighting imbalanced crap in every online game is futile, just train for the FOTM and suck it up when it gets nerf, train for next FOTM... f1,f2,f8
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:41:00 - [5] yeah this ship is too powerful compared to others. bs like dps bs like tank enough slots to fit utility like cap booster + EW/Anti EW to this hell dps and hell tank.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.08.14 08:43:00 - [6] Edited by: lyrenna on 14/08/2007 08:43:30 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This thread is a counter-whine :P (not really but haha) Myrmidons are amazing dps tools and great tankers who has ewar(solopwnmobile anyone), That's simply it. fixed for you === when you armor tank a raven god kills a kitten. ===
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.14 09:48:00 - [7] WTF is wrong with people, 1 ship has a good BC ours isn't the best nerf it! Caldari have the best interceptor ares aint the best Nerf it! z0mg some race's cruiser is better than ourz z0mg the skyz falling nerf it! Every race will have a ship that it superior to all the others in its group, the idea of them is not to fight together but to work together. Just because you got killed by a ship it does not mean it needs a nerf, hell if this is a case nerf vaga,rifter, cerberus, drake, rook, falcon, huginn, rapier, megathron , hyperion, maelstrom, tempest, rokh, raven,scorpion. There now theres nothgint to nerf about ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Lydia Browm WTF is wrong with people, 1 ship has a good BC ours isn't the best nerf it! Caldari have the best interceptor ares aint the best Nerf it! z0mg some race's cruiser is better than ourz z0mg the skyz falling nerf it! Every race will have a ship that it superior to all the others in its group, the idea of them is not to fight together but to work together. Just because you got killed by a ship it does not mean it needs a nerf, hell if this is a case nerf vaga,rifter, cerberus, drake, rook, falcon, huginn, rapier, megathron , hyperion, maelstrom, tempest, rokh, raven,scorpion. There now theres nothgint to nerf about I've used Myrmidons now on the test server, and I am going to train heavy t2 drones soon when some other priority skills are done, mainly for the Typhoon but it opens this ship up to me. Personally I've been going around with a 5 neutron II, 1 ion II, cap boosted tank, with medium rep, small rep, 2 eanm, damage control and mag stab. EFT says I reach like 850 dps with this thing, thats pretty insane don't you think for a t1 battlecruiser?
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:52:00 - [9] Lydia - you are clueless... we dont want it nerfed because it's better than all other battlecruisers, we want it nerfed because we feel it isn't balanced properly. Being able to shoot drones doesn't cut it as sufficient drawback warranting 5 heavy drones when you can damp, scoop, redeploy while carrying an almost complete rack of guns and/or nos/neut Besides crow isn't THE best interceptor - still one of the best but thats another thing... - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Meepie	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Spaced Skunk Originally by: Lydia Browm WTF is wrong with people, 1 ship has a good BC ours isn't the best nerf it! Caldari have the best interceptor ares aint the best Nerf it! z0mg some race's cruiser is better than ourz z0mg the skyz falling nerf it! Every race will have a ship that it superior to all the others in its group, the idea of them is not to fight together but to work together. Just because you got killed by a ship it does not mean it needs a nerf, hell if this is a case nerf vaga,rifter, cerberus, drake, rook, falcon, huginn, rapier, megathron , hyperion, maelstrom, tempest, rokh, raven,scorpion. There now theres nothgint to nerf about I've used Myrmidons now on the test server, and I am going to train heavy t2 drones soon when some other priority skills are done, mainly for the Typhoon but it opens this ship up to me. Personally I've been going around with a 5 neutron II, 1 ion II, cap boosted tank, with medium rep, small rep, 2 eanm, damage control and mag stab. EFT says I reach like 850 dps with this thing, thats pretty insane don't you think for a t1 battlecruiser? Not when a ranged attacker could still melt your ship out of your viable range or destroy half your dps by various means.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:41:00 - [11] If you keep your drones out while someone is atatcking your outside your effective range you are a moron. And outranging can happen to all closerange fitted BCs. And with sentry drones you have a very viable longrange option if you fit for it.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:44:00 - [12] Quote: Not when a ranged attacker could still melt your ship out of your viable range or destroy half your dps by various means. wont happen with bs like tank Quote: If you keep your drones out while someone is atatcking your outside your effective range you are a moron. And outranging can happen to all closerange fitted BCs. And with sentry drones you have a very viable longrange option if you fit for it. qftw
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Lydia Browm WTF is wrong with people, 1 ship has a good BC ours isn't the best nerf it! Caldari have the best interceptor ares aint the best Nerf it! z0mg some race's cruiser is better than ourz z0mg the skyz falling nerf it! Every race will have a ship that it superior to all the others in its group, the idea of them is not to fight together but to work together. Just because you got killed by a ship it does not mean it needs a nerf, hell if this is a case nerf vaga,rifter, cerberus, drake, rook, falcon, huginn, rapier, megathron , hyperion, maelstrom, tempest, rokh, raven,scorpion. There now theres nothgint to nerf about why didn't you just say "neft everything to amarr standards" unless amarr have a ship that needs nerfing? (woot lost the hac winage kinda a lil bit now but then that was only good at cap sucking which needed to be nerfed so that don't count)
Meepie	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Quote: Not when a ranged attacker could still melt your ship out of your viable range or destroy half your dps by various means. wont happen with bs like tank Quote: If you keep your drones out while someone is atatcking your outside your effective range you are a moron. And outranging can happen to all closerange fitted BCs. And with sentry drones you have a very viable longrange option if you fit for it. qftw Erm exactly what Battleship-esk tank do you have with a full Neutron gank setup for 850 dps please?
Cutie Chaser Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:08:00 - [15] I don't see the ship being as much of an issues as some people tend to make it out to be. Its got some things going for it, but then again all the T2 BC are decent, so that isn't particularly surprising. However them posting here complaining about it probably will end up to it eating a nerf. The developers recently seem hellbent on making sure that anything that gets a few threads about being overpowered gets the hard, swift, and surprising rear entry that it takes to quiet down the forum masses. *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
Kye Kenshin Martial. THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:09:00 - [16] Just to preface my post, I've over 30mil all put into gallente ships and have drones all but maxxed out. I found the Myr so stupidly good that i found it boring so I trained for a hurricane instead. The Myrmidon should of stayed with a 100m3 that means you can have 2 sets of medium drones. I was happy with the ship when it was like that, it was a really nice tanker but the damage wasnt very high but then if I wanted damage I could fly a brutix. Then Idiots whined it needed at least 5 heavies to compete with the then at the time 7 turret hurricane, so they gave it a bigger drone bay and nerfed the hurricane down to 6 turrets... Those who use the arguement that its ok to have overpowered ships in some classes are secretly afraid that they might lack in real skill to fly not so powerful ships. --------------------------------- Martial
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:09:00 - [17] Unbalanced is all a point of view. Drake is imba because it can fit a 1000 dps passive tank that even your 850dps pure gank Myrm can't beat, then he shoots your drones too! OMGZ NERF DRAKE LYKE.
Yosarian Manth Caldari Golden Gavel Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:10:00 - [18] Nothing should ever be nerfed. The competitors should be buffed. Can I have more Power Grid on my Drake now pls? ----------
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:13:00 - [19] Myrmadon is meant to be a step up from cruiser, but i would take on any 3 non EW heavy cruisers in my myrmadon anytime.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:18:00 - [20] You mean you don't have enough PG? That explains my Drake having empthy hi-slot (utility), reactor control I and a ACR rig... - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Yosarian Manth Nothing should ever be nerfed. The competitors should be buffed. Can I have more Power Grid on my Drake now pls? .....and bring back my Hurricane turret while you're at it!
Jacob Holland Gallente 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:26:00 - [22] I've said it before and I'll say it again... The Myrm should IMHO never have been a heavy done platform. The bonus should be changed from a 10% bonus to drone HP and damage to a 20% bonus to Light and Medium drone HP and damage. The damage difference between bonused mediums and unbonused heavies is minimal therefore one would be encouraged to load mediums for their improved speed and tracking. The distinction can be made quite easily as it already exists for the purpose of Combat Drone Operation; with comparable fittings and skills it would place the Myrm with Mediums almost exactly halfway between the Vexor with Mediums and the Dominix with Heavies (exactly where it should be IMHO) and because its drone bay is so much greater relative to the space required for a single flight of its primary drones fewer people would feel the need to engage at 0 meters in order to rescoop their drones as they take damage and therefore there would be fewer whines. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Aramendel on 14/08/2007 12:34:02 The problem of the myr is not exactly that it can use 5 bonussed heavies, its problem is that it sacrifices nothing for that ability. Take the ishtar. Compared to other HACs it has few turrets and needs to use one of its 4 bonuses to be able to use 5 heavies and has on top of it a basically useless bonus (control range). And even though it make these acrifices it is STILL considered one of the best HACs. The myrmidon has the same or bigger amount of turrets as all BCs exept the harbinger and on top of this a rep bonus. If the myr had only 3 turrets and instead the rep bonus a drone control range one I doubt that it would be considered overpowered, 5 heavies or not.
Cutie Chaser Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Jacob Holland The Myrm should IMHO never have been a heavy done platform. The bonus should be changed from a 10% bonus to drone HP and damage to a 20% bonus to Light and Medium drone HP and damage. Hmm, while I'm still not a fan of seeing the ship eat a nerf, I'd say this would be one of the more palatable ones. No other BC can fit a set of BS sized "weapons". *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:41:00 - [25] As I said on the other thread... it is just me or is it kinda absurd that the droneboat BC has more turret slots than the sniper BC?
Yosarian Manth Caldari Golden Gavel Enterprises	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:48:00 - [26] Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 14/08/2007 12:48:50 Originally by: Pinky Denmark You mean you don't have enough PG? That explains my Drake having empthy hi-slot (utility), reactor control I and a ACR rig... Well: 1. I was joking. 2. I want a tank, AB/MWD and HAMs. 3. I was joking. On topic; once again, nerfing is not the answer. ----------
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Jinmie Unbalanced is all a point of view. Drake is imba because it can fit a 1000 dps passive tank that even your 850dps pure gank Myrm can't beat, then he shoots your drones too! OMGZ NERF DRAKE LYKE. The so-called 1000 dps tank Drake can't do anything to you. It can't tackle you, it's slow as hell, and it has less firepower than my aged grandmother. The Myrmidon, however, can fit a MWD, tackle, booster and one sensor damp, while having a dual rep tank (with the ship bonus, that's rouglhy equivalent to 60-70% of a BS dual rep tank), and can sport 6 heavy ions (300 dps? more?) + 5 bonused T2 drones (450+ dps). And if he play the scoop-redeploy game, you're going to have a long time locking his drones with a damp on you. Where overpoweredness is concerned, both ships aren't even comparable. One has a very strong point, and is full of weaknesses in every other aspect, while the other doesn't have any real weak point. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2007 08:41:28 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You can't nerf a ship's highslots because they can use drones. Its not that they can use drones, its that they can use so many of them compared to other races. A nerf is actually exactly what is needed. I have no idea why the balancing devs feel that oversized drone bays are balanced on gallente ships. They already have drone damage bonuses, why do they also need more drones as well? Tell me some of the drawbacks of gallente ships that makes oversized drone bays something essential. Its difficult to find a good reason for it. ... Standard bubble camping SB apoc pwns everything < HAC/BC in a salvo, and is impossible for a myrmi to destroy, since it wipes all drones rather fast... The ship is ok, ppl just need to use something else then the "try to do everything at once" ships... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This thread is a counter-whine :P (not really but haha) I've been reading a lot of stuff lately about how the Myrmidon is broken. Well, it's not. Everybody right now is totally stroking the tier 2 battlecruisers simply because they are all awesome. Drakes are great tankers, Myrmidons are amazing dps tools, Hurricanes are fury in a bottle and Harbingers are tough to break. Simply, they all rock. The Gallente have always claimed drone fame and still do. You can't nerf a ship's highslots because they can use drones. And, the slots are basically as balanced as the other ships, all things considered. Finally, the ability to use any gun is available on ANY SHIP so that is an empty argument. Want to use autocannons on a Megathron? Be my guest! Nobody is stopping you! That's simply it. Not a super long whine or a huge wall of text; just thoughts about the Myrmidon and it's balance. Moved to Ships and Modules from EVE General Discussion. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) You have it wrong on Harbingers. Oh so very wrong. Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:50:00 - [30] FFS people: Myrmi already has one less overall slot to begin with. If you want to change anything on it in my opinion it should be: change the drone bonus to combat drones (lights and mediums only, if you wanna use heavies/sentries you can but no bonus for you :P)and give it 150 m^3 drone space (3x5 lights for vexor, 3x5 heavy for dominix... 3x5 mediums for myrmidon?) everything else is nerfing it too far. Ow and while we're on it boost the harbinger cos it is just lagging behind the other three. I wouldn't at all mind if the hurricane got it's 7th turret slot back aswell, so you could actually chose to go full gank on it without HAMs. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..

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