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SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive They do, as much as kids are in EVE. Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu". i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive They do, as much as kids are in EVE. Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu". i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:08:00 - [63] Originally by: Zato Ichii i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve sshhh ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:08:00 - [64] Originally by: Zato Ichii i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve sshhh ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:04:00 - [65] Yes, haha. People who are from other places, or like different things are *****S and LOSERS who deserve our mock and scorn, along with whatever things they like! If Eve is so full of mature players, why the hell is there 2 pages of people so insecure about their hobbies that they need to bash 1 in order to promote the other? Wow did a lot of things succesfully, and frankly you have to have played a few MMOs to understand that. It is* a game that aims at pleasing the most people at once, so it never actually becomes "the greatest" at any particular thing. Raiders complain about ez-mode content, soloers complain about raiders superiority, traders complain about crappy market etc. Wow is not Eve. That is its only "crime". As far as products go, the only thing that went wrong with WoW's launch was its server's instabilities due to high loads. How many other MMO companies can say the same, even after having been in the business for years? Were it possible, I'd absolutely encourage CCP to allow customisation of the interface like WoW enjoys. It goes an enormous way to streamlining gameplay. It does mean that you gotta watch for hacks, and creative uses of the game, but it also means that players build a piece of the game that often supercedes what the developers originally planned. Hell, most WoW players probably don't use the default interface. Eve is a great game, but its not lite. A new player cannot catch an older player, a new player must invest a great deal of time to understanding concepts before he can even move his ship. He will continue to learn things about eve for months and years to come. You will never sell 5 million copies of a game like that. Because within the demographics you'll have x hundred thousand who wont even play because of the "unfairness" of not getting to powerlevel. Another x hundred thousand who feel their gameplay is disrupted by having to view what they see as an inferior interface (coders/devs will be the ones to think like that). A few million who feel that if they pay $15 a month, they shouldn't have to get podded, robbed, or otherwise harassed by accounts that aren't even paid for. A few hundred thousand who wont play because they like being godlike, and the vulnerability of all ships to other ships means they'll never get that (would YOU take a mothership/titan around without a support fleet? Is there a BS that can wtfpwn with impunity in newby zones?). Etc etc. You see my point. Its nothing about eve being superior. Wow is a retailer who sells every item of clothing, eve is a retailer who just sells shoes. (Note to devs, I do not mean to insult eve at all, I like it far better because its alive)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:07:00 - [66] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive They do, as much as kids are in EVE. Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu". i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average Well, i dunno, guess only statistics would show this, if it took into consideration the difference in playernumbers too. But i think the reason why wow "seems" to have more kids, is because there are mroe people. In my experience, the age really hasn't shown in either WoW or EVE, in any way. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:36:00 - [67] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive They do, as much as kids are in EVE. Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu". i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average Well, i dunno, guess only statistics would show this, if it took into consideration the difference in playernumbers too. But i think the reason why wow "seems" to have more kids, is because there are mroe people. In my experience, the age really hasn't shown in either WoW or EVE, in any way. Got to agree with you... age really has no bearing... there are a lot more kids (under 18) playing Wow... but then there are a lot more people playing Wow... Statistics would have to be used to determine the "average" age, and while I have no doubt (opinion here) that the "Average Age" of the eve players may be higher then the average age of the Wow Player, one player in eve has a much greater affect on that average simply because of the sample... I would also be willing to bet that the Average Age of the Eve Player is not a lot higher then the average age of the Wow Player simply because with the samples we have would tend to bring that average to a median point of the player community. The other point may be maturity level, and just from this thread shows that the differences between Eve and Wow may not be all that big. None of us is as dumb as all of us...
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:41:00 - [68] Edited by: Shevar on 14/08/2007 16:41:09 Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :) words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny. Wow's endgame dungeons got reduced to a 25 man sized raid (including TK) after TBC's launch. Interesting to see that there are people even willing to let someone MT if he can't even count up to 40. PEACE --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 16:49:00 - [69] Originally by: FreelancerAlpha Yes, haha. People who are from other places, or like different things are *****S and LOSERS who deserve our mock and scorn, along with whatever things they like! If Eve is so full of mature players, why the hell is there 2 pages of people so insecure about their hobbies that they need to bash 1 in order to promote the other? Wow did a lot of things succesfully, and frankly you have to have played a few MMOs to understand that. It is* a game that aims at pleasing the most people at once, so it never actually becomes "the greatest" at any particular thing. Raiders complain about ez-mode content, soloers complain about raiders superiority, traders complain about crappy market etc. Wow is not Eve. That is its only "crime". As far as products go, the only thing that went wrong with WoW's launch was its server's instabilities due to high loads. How many other MMO companies can say the same, even after having been in the business for years? Were it possible, I'd absolutely encourage CCP to allow customisation of the interface like WoW enjoys. It goes an enormous way to streamlining gameplay. It does mean that you gotta watch for hacks, and creative uses of the game, but it also means that players build a piece of the game that often supercedes what the developers originally planned. Hell, most WoW players probably don't use the default interface. Eve is a great game, but its not lite. A new player cannot catch an older player, a new player must invest a great deal of time to understanding concepts before he can even move his ship. He will continue to learn things about eve for months and years to come. You will never sell 5 million copies of a game like that. Because within the demographics you'll have x hundred thousand who wont even play because of the "unfairness" of not getting to powerlevel. Another x hundred thousand who feel their gameplay is disrupted by having to view what they see as an inferior interface (coders/devs will be the ones to think like that). A few million who feel that if they pay $15 a month, they shouldn't have to get podded, robbed, or otherwise harassed by accounts that aren't even paid for. A few hundred thousand who wont play because they like being godlike, and the vulnerability of all ships to other ships means they'll never get that (would YOU take a mothership/titan around without a support fleet? Is there a BS that can wtfpwn with impunity in newby zones?). Etc etc. You see my point. Its nothing about eve being superior. Wow is a retailer who sells every item of clothing, eve is a retailer who just sells shoes. (Note to devs, I do not mean to insult eve at all, I like it far better because its alive) there are a lot of ex-wow and other mmorpg players that try to pretend like the only game they ever played is eve and thats where any scorn comes from ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:03:00 - [70] Never played World of Warcraft, so I can't say anything 'bout that. However, I would like to mention that up until Eve Online, I only played single player games (both PC single player and console). Furthermore, Eve is the first and only MMO I've paid-to-play. So, I grew up as a typical single-player. Now that I'm in Eve I'm a team-player. --- Grismar.net
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:13:00 - [71] Eve would have millions of players too SirJira if CCP sharded the game and marketed the living hell out of it like Blizzard does.. (Imagine the Unholy Chaos in the server rooms that adding a few hundred clones of the current cluster would generate.. Let alone the petitions.. ) And technically Eve is the bigger game as its single enviroment holds 30k+ players at once whilst Wow only gets to about 3k per shard.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Vyyrus An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:21:00 - [72] Edited by: Vyyrus on 14/08/2007 17:23:05 Edited by: Vyyrus on 14/08/2007 17:21:47 Yeah, go level up. Even though EVE has a few kinks in it, it is not overran by kids most mature game I have played. I like eve it forces people to work together as a team.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Vyyrus I like eve it forces people to work together as a team. Or to purchase multiple accounts because I'm a non-social **er.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sc0tia Minmatar Iceni Corp	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:34:00 - [74] WoW is only full of console gamers? Whoa what was/am I doing there then.... I played WoW as I've been a huge MMORPG gamer along with being a huge Warcraft fan....WoW continues the lore in it. As for your mention of Eve growing....well yeah it will grow, Eve appeals to a lot of people that like to PvP (Myself as one) and play a harder class of game(with regards to trading etc) Eve is growing all the time and has been since it was released...nothing new there.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:36:00 - [75] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2007 17:37:22 Stereotyping is fun but useless, mkey? Ive played WoW. Ive played Eve. I have a x-box 360. Where do I fit in? Probably in the "gamer" category, which probably means I never take a shower and dont date people. Also I probably drink Jolt Cola and hang out on hacker gatherings... --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:39:00 - [76] WOW is a fun game. WOW is a different game. You cant compare the two even in terms of who has the most subscribers because CCP probably doesnt/didnt have near the hundreds of millions to blow on sensaitionalism advertising. WOW is a linear game and heavily combat oriented. You fight to gain xp and money...you move up the slider. You die...you move down the slider. Eve is very non linear. There is no way of figuring out who is more powerful. Someone might be better in a HAC due to skills while the other might be better in a battleships for the same reason. However, they both are probably noobs when it comes to hualing frieght and playing the market for the same reason. Being a CEO is a true game profession with many of the dynamics of the real world and the good ones are not good because they have the better skills, I can tell you that right now. The coolest thing about this game is the more inovative you are, the more your going to get out of it. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:42:00 - [77] Originally by: cal nereus Never played World of Warcraft, so I can't say anything 'bout that. However, I would like to mention that up until Eve Online, I only played single player games (both PC single player and console). Furthermore, Eve is the first and only MMO I've paid-to-play. So, I grew up as a typical single-player. Now that I'm in Eve I'm a team-player. ' i am an ex-wow'r. in fact i still have an account. there are some times when i just need to mellow out in a no risk fun enviroment. thats the difference. wow is just mindless fun. eve is thinking fun. every single aspect of eve you need to think about. will this fitting on this ship be best? will going here get me killed? will attacking this make me the most money? you gotta ask the same things in wow... but the difference is that if you screw up answering those question in wow, you don't have to spend the next day to a month putting things right, depending on what you decided and what you're flying... (and lets not even mention how screwing up politics with other players might never be rectifiable... whereas in wow your reputation has little effect on your gameplay). in the end, wow is designed for plain fun, for little effort. eve gives you just as much fun... but its more serious. thats what has been the attraction that has given wow over 10million subscribers. thats why there hasn't been the predicted flood of players leaving wow and going to other games... thats why there never will be. non-gamers AND gamers play wow for the easy fun factor... only gamers play eve. so ya... bashing wow, pointless. both wow and eve are good games... but they're completly different in every respect, especially their core design philosophy and appeal. Originally by: Daeva Vios It's fair when the larger force is on my side. It's lame when the larger force is on their side. How have people not figured this out yet?
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:47:00 - [78] Originally by: Sc0tia Eve is growing all the time and has been since it was released...nothing new there. eve is actually one of the few mmo's on the market that hasn't followed the normal trend where its popularity peaks after a year or two then slowly starts a steady decline... even wow is guilty of that (it took the expansion for it to start gaining more people than it was losing again). but eve... well its growing still after how many years? slowly compared to other games for sure, but if you're patient in the end what does time matter? Originally by: Daeva Vios It's fair when the larger force is on my side. It's lame when the larger force is on their side. How have people not figured this out yet?
Kage Psychodin Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:56:00 - [79] Originally by: SiJira interesting when i talk about wow people tell me to go to wow and when i say i havent seen it they tell me i dont know what i talk about - well lets see i know many people that do play wow and what they tell me and how they play shows what i said to be true im sure some of you are ex addicts and can agree if you have truely let go of that game ill agree that its like talking about apples and oranges but im sure more people fit for pvp and go pvp in wow in these - organized - groups while in eve people fit up according to what their gang will do and how they will do it best with what fits anyways good luck to all the wow carebears Hey, guess what SiJira? I HAVE played WoW. Its not a bad game, just not a group game in the sense of what Everquest came down to. Sorry if people think every MMO needs to be like every other MMO. I played it for about 8 months, but I just couldn't get into the raiding, just because I was perfectly happy with average equipment. if they had more 5-15 man group instances like at first, that would have been perfect. Might haven even stayed, but my guild leader left for college, and it just wasn't as nice with the people who helped you level on anymore. It's a different game, 10 million? (almost) people enjoy it, even if its not a fantastic system, they have every right to, or are you all so caught up in a "REAL PVP MMO" mindset you can;t let people enjoy their own kind of a game? Everyone needs to drop this. Seriously, all it does is result in flame and troll bait like this, it should be a Lock On Sight topic. Let people enjoy their own damn game and stop using it as an insult. Another one bites the dust.
Okano Hykeido	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:34:00 - [80] Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 18:36:26 . double post :o
Okano Hykeido	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:35:00 - [81] Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 18:35:46 Originally by: Okano Hykeido Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 14/08/2007 16:45:01 Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :) words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny. Wow's endgame dungeons got reduced to a 25 man sized raid (including TK) after TBC's launch. Interesting to see that there are people even willing to let someone MT while he can't even count up to 40. PEACE (had to use the caps somewhere) they didnt get reduced, just the new ones are 25man. because so many kids found it to hard to get such a big team together. naxx is still 40man (not for long tho) BWL 40man AQ40 - man MC 40man. We can still raid these places. 40man. Outdoor world boss - Kazzak - 40man Raid. Yes Yes the new instances are 25man, Tempest Keep etc. still u need 24mates and u would get 2shotted (if u lucky) by the guys on the door if uwent there all by yourself. So by nomeans can u possibly SOLO(CAPS FOR EMPHASIS) the whole entire wow. Like the op surgested. U get the point ? or do i have to spell it out even simpler
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:37:00 - [82] I play both. They are different games. Stfu already. End of Thread.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:44:00 - [83] who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
Edey Minmatar Free Space Tech VooDoo Technologies	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs Who told you this? Good luck soloing end-game content in wow... Actually, there is much more solo players in EVE than in wow. If we are talking about pve content, of course. Very true, eve is all about farming, especially in the beginning. __________________________________________________ Your Signature Image is larger than the maximum allowed 24000 bytes -Yipsilanti ([email protected])
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:47:00 - [85] Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are Last time I tried to solo even the first two trash mobs in MC at 70 in full epix I failed miserably. Maybe I'm a noob? Who knows. I do know, however, that you're an idiot. Stop comparing the games, it's making you look stupid.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:01:00 - [86] Originally by: Hellaciouss Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are Last time I tried to solo even the first two trash mobs in MC at 70 in full epix I failed miserably. Maybe I'm a noob? Who knows. I do know, however, that you're an idiot. Stop comparing the games, it's making you look stupid. lol why dont you stop trying to sound intelligent no two things are alike - it does not mean comparisons cant be made ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:09:00 - [87] WoW has great PvE interaction. To complete the harder content you need a group and the group has to work together. You have to deal with phases in fights that require different forms of dps/tank, aggro resets ect ect ect... It is fun to lead WoW raids. PvP in wow is **. It is has no impact, no death penalty, no looting ect ect ect... EVE has ** PvE, no really it is terrible, its easy and it has no depth and requires no real teamwork. However EVE PvP is awesome :) Harsh death penalty, looting, territorial control and so on. If they fix it so large fleet battles actually work then it will be truly epic. In short WoW lets you take part in epic story lines driven by NPCs. EVE lets you create epic storylines driven by players. The players each attracts will reflect this. PS. EVE's crafting/production/trade system kicks ass over WoW's
Trade Girly	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:18:00 - [88] Edited by: Trade Girly on 14/08/2007 19:20:06 WoW and Eve are very similar games, Here and there you have to farm a lot, same *****ng and stupid trolls that will tell I'm wrong, both Toally** suck in some aspects (pvp and pve), devs that don't listen to players, boring to hell but I play here because I have no other game to choose. Just one thing, "9mils and 200k". edit: and yeah, one was very bugged and other one is still bugged.
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:23:00 - [89] "Look, up in the sky! It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's Super Troll! He's carrying an industrial full of petrol you say? Oh my what for? Oh he's droping it on this thread. That's gonna leave a mark. Um, is that fire coming out of his hands?" Burn already. Good gods, you people are just bad no matter what game you play. Equally as nutter and egotistical just because of 'your game' (that 'you' didn't even make) and the fact that 'you're playing it', makes you special or different to every other game and it's player-base. Guess what? Ya'll are still silly, no matter what you play or for what reason. Get a grip. What are you all going to start WWIII over video games or something? (Ach, now there's a scary thought) Yoda voice: "Dysfunctional by far, this thread is." Where the heck are those moderators that are usually quicker on the ball to close threads like this?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:25:00 - [90] I have them tied up in red tape while i roast marshmallows in here Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.

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