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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:06:00 -
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wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:06:00 -
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reserved ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ask Unbeatable on 14/08/2007 11:07:09 I like how you try to make Devs write something shiny in your signature. Also, I forgot what your post was about
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:08:00 -
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You only just figured that out now?
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:08:00 -
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Not everyone in wow is a former console player =/
Not everyone in eve has always been a pure PC player =/
Logic is flawed. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 11:09:52
i bet you tried to be first but that would be wasted since i reserved it
anyways this is cheerful news
oh and i didnt say everyone on eve is a pure pc player or that everyone on wow - f it just read the op again theo so there is no flawed logic here but im glad you flatter yourself ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
Who told you this? Good luck soloing end-game content in wow... Actually, there is much more solo players in EVE than in wow. If we are talking about pve content, of course.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 11:12:18
Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
Who told you this? Good luck soloing end-game content in wow... Actually, there is much more solo players in EVE than in wow. If we are talking about pve content, of course.
each game has their pvp and their pve eve has real multiplayer content wow has single players fighting alongside other single players to beat another group of single players - ie teamwork is more important in one game then another ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Theo Samaritan Not everyone in wow is a former console player =/
Not everyone in eve has always been a pure PC player =/
Logic is flawed.
That's because all generalisations are wrong.
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heheheh
Singularity. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:36:00 -
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Dont aggree im afraid. One has Worldwide advertising including primetime TV advert slots, where as the other has a few double page spreads in computer magazines. One is simple to play and the other is not.
Quote: you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
you can do that in EVE, mission runners ?
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Sovereign533
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:39:00 -
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the large amount of players in wow, and the low amount of players in eve (compared) is...
1. eve is hard to learn, wow is even easy for brain-dead-kids =p 2. huge global marketing from WoW compared to little to no marketing from Eve 3. Blizzard is a huge multi-million (maybe billion) company who can afford to spread the WoW commercials over the globe, while CCP is just a small company (especially when they began)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/08/2007 11:46:48 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/08/2007 11:44:12 The reason why WoW has millions of people and EVE has tens of thousands is...*drumroll*...because WoW is more popular.
All this "wow is for kids, EVE is leet, EVE is for adults, WoW is easymode" is rather bullcrap.
They are, in their difference in setting, basically the same grindfest galore.
EVE does some things better, WoW does others. Other people like sci-fi, other fantasy.
Stop ******* comparing tics and tacs
Originally by: CelticKnight Whereas only the smart can play eve.
Exactly what i said. EVE is NOT that special. EVE is NOT that hard. EVE is NOT only for smart/adult people.
An 8 year old could easily pick up a ship and start doing stuff in EVE, it's the same basic MMO as any other around. It's just different.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
CelticKnight
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:45:00 -
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WoW has a large community, not from what you believe.. but because you dont even require 2 braincells to be able to play it.. a 8Yr old can pick the game up, start playing it and gain a little satisfaction. Ive played it (ZOMGOSH!). it requires so little skill i can play it effectively while drunk off my face, and asleep. Anyone, no matter thier age can get into it..
Whereas only the smart can play eve. Almost everyone i know is over 15yrs old.. because most of the concepts from eve are complex!
THAT is why wow is popular.. because anyone can pick it up, play it and feel good about themselves.. even though they may never get into a deeper aspect that smashing pathetic little NPCs. thus, only 5% of people actually make it to the levelcap :)
haha id imagine 50% of those do like i, get sick of it because of its total brainlessness, and go and play eve.. Thats if thier brain hasnt become a wet sponge from playing wow :)
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meritorious brown
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
my gosh. aren't you the little wow veteran?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: meritorious brown
Originally by: SiJira you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
my gosh. aren't you the little wow veteran?
no i havent even seen the game ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Lady Trade
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:54:00 -
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well i guess it's the old argument... just because 50 billion flies eat **** doesn't mean that it's more tasty then chocolate.
But seriously: WoW's sole purpose is to make a lot of money so it was developed not to be an all round great game but simply to fulfill as many peoples needs with the least amount of extra development time. EVE on the other hand was made to be a cool game and sometimes cool games are harder to learn and master then the mainstream ones. It's like free jazz VS. main stream music or a work of art VS. a poster of Pamela. One is cheap trash with a nice package/wide pants/good figure and the other tries to win you over with content and substance.
Oh and GOD FORBID that WoW ever dies... even if only 1% of the WoW players would try EVE then their negative vibes will break everything! |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:55:00 -
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I could honestly make a big list of how EVE is just the same as WoW, and in parts WAY worse, but it would just get the old "No you fanboi go to wow!" arguments.
EVE players don't listen, not even at a fanboi level. Honestly. Look around.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Ciphero
The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:59:00 -
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... Can we have an ignore function please?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones I could honestly make a big list of how EVE is just the same as WoW, and in parts WAY worse, but it would just get the old "No you fanboi go to wow!" arguments.
EVE players don't listen, not even at a fanboi level. Honestly. Look around.
would you really be honest? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
jam6549
Malicious Intentions Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:02:00 -
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oh god u are so ******* annoying. im gonna kill u if i ever see u in-game!
Jam6549
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Yosarian Manth
Caldari Golden Gavel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:04:00 -
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A whole generation of gamers are growing up with WoW now, an accessible game like that is hardly going to die off unless Blizzard manage it insanely badly.
If anything, its a good thing because as the gaming industry grows we get more choice and more people to play with. The whole angst ridden, elitist mindset among a lot of EVE players may be what turns people off. ----------
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:04:00 -
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eve has a extreme learning curve. its badly documented. has an extremely harsh death penalty. (i can remember the tutorial agent sending me trough amamake and getting me poded within the first 30mions of the game:). thats why alot of people dont stay after the 14 days trial and go back to wow etc..
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I could honestly make a big list of how EVE is just the same as WoW, and in parts WAY worse, but it would just get the old "No you fanboi go to wow!" arguments.
EVE players don't listen, not even at a fanboi level. Honestly. Look around.
would you really be honest?
I think i could loook at things in a "non sided" manner, yes.
There are so many similarities in MMOs if you just can take a moment to step out of the, hmm, how to put it, "i like this one" puddle people tend to stand in.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:07:00 -
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uhh well what i actually wanted to say:
EVE IS FOR MASOCHISTS!:)
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Have 2 EVE Characters and a 70 Warrior on wow. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
I like both, sure all u carebears here can stick wow cos it has like zomg 100,000,000 more players and eve only 30k on a nite.
But there totally different games, u cant really compare them and say WOW is gonna DIE EVE will live FOREVER.
No mate, wow got about 7/8years left init Guaranteed. Not sure about EVE we'll see how Star Trek Online goes ^^
LOL AND NO FK N WAY CAN U PLAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE OF WOW SINGLE PLAYER LMAO. Research before you say these stupid things else u just look like a ******.
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Solo Arena ? 1 VRS 5 lol . just lol, i dont even know why i bothered to reply in this thread. I like both games, for different reasons.
Im a console gamer, PC Gamer. Different Games on different platforms. Im hardcore mate, one thing tho. id say EVE has an older generation of players, not all but in general the kids tend to play wow.......because its abit more straight forward, abit more friendlier to the noob and easier to understand. I think those reasons alone make for the generation gap. i dunno :)
But point I Love them both, both have given me good times and good friends.
Peace
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 11:12:18
Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
Who told you this? Good luck soloing end-game content in wow... Actually, there is much more solo players in EVE than in wow. If we are talking about pve content, of course.
each game has their pvp and their pve eve has real multiplayer content wow has single players fighting alongside other single players to beat another group of single players - ie teamwork is more important in one game then another
Yeah, thats probably why 'premade' groups used to obliterate 'pugs' in wow. :) In EVE 99% of pvp consists of either ganking 10+ on 1 or it is soooo laggy so all 'tactics' you can use is calling primaries while trying to acquire the lock.
WoW is by no mean a single player game... I don't know who told you this... EVE is superior on 'strategic' part and have a higher potentials on 'tactics' part, but unfortunelly its very hard to get a fight where you can actually use to 100% those advanced tactics in EVE.
The PVE in WoW is superior to EVE's by all parameters and is fully based on using advanced group tactics and teamplay. In fact comparing to wow eve have 0 pve content.
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Franga
Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:12:00 -
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Hey, SiJira ... shu ... wait, you're being positive. Okay, cool. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now. |
Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: meritorious brown
Originally by: SiJira you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
my gosh. aren't you the little wow veteran?
no i havent even seen the game
Ok. You've just invalidated your whole post.
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heheheh
Singularity. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: meritorious brown
Originally by: SiJira you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
my gosh. aren't you the little wow veteran?
no i havent even seen the game
Ok. You've just invalidated your whole post.
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Aye lol, just for a change eh ? WOW is actually made for group participation. It was not designed to play solo.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:18:00 -
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You know why i like EVE ?
The PVP - The Risk, the ballsyness of the game. I guess thats why not many girls play it like wow but u know :) thats another thread.
I PLAY WOW FOR PVE
I PLAY EVE FOR PVP
Kind of. :) simple....
i killed 1000's of ppl on wow, but they never lost anything by it. It never cost them anything when they died.....just a free trip to the graveyard.
WoW is nice and friendly, EVE is badass. Icant ransom some1 for 50mill just to let them live in wow. LoL
theres so many differences in the game i cant beleive u are comparing them like this.
Try comparing it to STAR TREK ONLINE WHEN IT COMES OUT ^^
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Have 2 EVE Characters and a 70 Warrior on wow. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
I like both, sure all u carebears here can stick wow cos it has like zomg 100,000,000 more players and eve only 30k on a nite.
But there totally different games, u cant really compare them and say WOW is gonna DIE EVE will live FOREVER.
No mate, wow got about 7/8years left init Guaranteed. Not sure about EVE we'll see how Star Trek Online goes ^^
LOL AND NO FK N WAY CAN U PLAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE OF WOW SINGLE PLAYER LMAO. Research before you say these stupid things else u just look like a ******.
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Solo Arena ? 1 VRS 5 lol . just lol, i dont even know why i bothered to reply in this thread. I like both games, for different reasons.
Im a console gamer, PC Gamer. Different Games on different platforms. Im hardcore mate, one thing tho. id say EVE has an older generation of players, not all but in general the kids tend to play wow.......because its abit more straight forward, abit more friendlier to the noob and easier to understand. I think those reasons alone make for the generation gap. i dunno :)
But point I Love them both, both have given me good times and good friends.
Peace
Anoter 7-8 years in WOW ? ROFL in fact actually it probably has, The players are so stupid they will pay $40 dollars for each expansion just to get another 10 levels each year and more leet epix. Sums the playerbase up tbh.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Have 2 EVE Characters and a 70 Warrior on wow. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
I like both, sure all u carebears here can stick wow cos it has like zomg 100,000,000 more players and eve only 30k on a nite.
But there totally different games, u cant really compare them and say WOW is gonna DIE EVE will live FOREVER.
No mate, wow got about 7/8years left init Guaranteed. Not sure about EVE we'll see how Star Trek Online goes ^^
LOL AND NO FK N WAY CAN U PLAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE OF WOW SINGLE PLAYER LMAO. Research before you say these stupid things else u just look like a ******.
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Solo Arena ? 1 VRS 5 lol . just lol, i dont even know why i bothered to reply in this thread. I like both games, for different reasons.
Im a console gamer, PC Gamer. Different Games on different platforms. Im hardcore mate, one thing tho. id say EVE has an older generation of players, not all but in general the kids tend to play wow.......because its abit more straight forward, abit more friendlier to the noob and easier to understand. I think those reasons alone make for the generation gap. i dunno :)
But point I Love them both, both have given me good times and good friends.
Peace
9/10 wow players post in CAPS
So ******s like you can read the important bits and skip the rest.
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Theronnos
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/08/2007 12:05:37
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I could honestly make a big list of how EVE is just the same as WoW, and in parts WAY worse, but it would just get the old "No you fanboi go to wow!" arguments.
EVE players don't listen, not even at a fanboi level. Honestly. Look around.
would you really be honest?
I think i could look at things in a "non sided" manner, yes.
There are so many similarities in MMOs if you just can take a moment to step out of the, hmm, how to put it, "i like this one" puddle people tend to stand in.
True, there are many similarities. Though you need to look at general gameplay to see if it's fun or not. And yes, EVE has very harsh(bad?) gameplay/game mechanics. Though i think it's these harsh rules that that make us stay but also forces many to leave after the trial(I have seen this many times). I also think that many leave because it's a very unsocial game, as in that you don't have a character and that you don't have direct control over your ship/guns. (walking in stations might fix this)
Saying that WoW is bad means that your either a moron or that your talking about personal taste. ---------------
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:22:00 -
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Truth is EVE is the only Space MMO. It has no 'competition' until very soon.
U know how many Wizards & Warrior MMO's ?? i not even go there.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:24:00 -
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interesting when i talk about wow people tell me to go to wow and when i say i havent seen it they tell me i dont know what i talk about - well lets see i know many people that do play wow and what they tell me and how they play shows what i said to be true im sure some of you are ex addicts and can agree if you have truely let go of that game
ill agree that its like talking about apples and oranges but im sure more people fit for pvp and go pvp in wow in these - organized - groups
while in eve people fit up according to what their gang will do and how they will do it best with what fits
anyways good luck to all the wow carebears ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Okano Hykeido U know how many GOOD Wizards & Warrior MMO's ?? i not even go there.
Aye, fixed it a bit
Also, space massives have been around. EVE is just the WoW of space MMOs.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:30:18
Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Have 2 EVE Characters and a 70 Warrior on wow. Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
I like both, sure all u carebears here can stick wow cos it has like zomg 100,000,000 more players and eve only 30k on a nite.
But there totally different games, u cant really compare them and say WOW is gonna DIE EVE will live FOREVER.
No mate, wow got about 7/8years left init Guaranteed. Not sure about EVE we'll see how Star Trek Online goes ^^
LOL AND NO FK N WAY CAN U PLAY THE WHOLE ENTIRE OF WOW SINGLE PLAYER LMAO. Research before you say these stupid things else u just look like a ******.
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Solo Arena ? 1 VRS 5 lol . just lol, i dont even know why i bothered to reply in this thread. I like both games, for different reasons.
Im a console gamer, PC Gamer. Different Games on different platforms. Im hardcore mate, one thing tho. id say EVE has an older generation of players, not all but in general the kids tend to play wow.......because its abit more straight forward, abit more friendlier to the noob and easier to understand. I think those reasons alone make for the generation gap. i dunno :)
But point I Love them both, both have given me good times and good friends.
Peace
Anoter 7-8 years in WOW ? ROFL in fact actually it probably has, The players are so stupid they will pay $40 dollars for each expansion just to get another 10 levels each year and more leet epix. Sums the playerbase up tbh.
Does it make u feel better ? by calling the wow player base stupid ? Id say that 99.9% of the earth's population is stupid mate just take a little look out your window. or watch the news.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:22 Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:00
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Okano Hykeido U know how many GOOD Wizards & Warrior MMO's ?? i not even go there.
Aye, fixed it a bit
Also, space massives have been around. EVE is just the WoW of space MMOs.
Can u name one ? cos i dont remember anything like it Since Frontier Elite II on the amiga.
Good ones, hmmm Everquest I & II, Ultima Online, DaOC, Vanguard, Conan.....warcraft. To name but a few all had BIGGER player base than EVE. So u cant really call them crap.
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Mangtraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mangtraxx on 14/08/2007 12:31:57
Originally by: Lady Trade well i guess it's the old argument... just because 50 billion flies eat **** doesn't mean that it's more tasty then chocolate.
But seriously: WoW's sole purpose is to make a lot of money so it was developed not to be an all round great game but simply to fulfill as many peoples needs with the least amount of extra development time. EVE on the other hand was made to be a cool game and sometimes cool games are harder to learn and master then the mainstream ones. It's like free jazz VS. main stream music or a work of art VS. a poster of Pamela. One is cheap trash with a nice package/wide pants/good figure and the other tries to win you over with content and substance.
Oh and GOD FORBID that WoW ever dies... even if only 1% of the WoW players would try EVE then their negative vibes will break everything!
I agree with your sentiment but your points are wrong. You've got it the wrong way round in one sense - Wow is an all encompassing game, whereas eve serves a small niche. There are less things to do in wow, but its caters for a much larger and diverse groups of players despite this. The fact there is so much to do in eve, and the fact the game punishes players for mistakes so harshly, means it turns off large groups of gamers that would otherwise possibly enjoy the game. Yes there are more things to do / more way to make a living / eve is more complex than Wow, this doesn't mean Wow is trash.
I have been spending a lot of time around the games industry recently as i'm trying to get a job for a developer (attending conferences, seminars, trade shows etc) Wow has 8.5 million subscibers paying for the privalage to pay their game, it has turned the gaming world upside down. They money flowing from investors to mmo developers is massive, because of wows success. If you said to someone 5 years ago there'd be an mmo with 20 times the subscriber numbers any other game has ever reached at its peak, they have thought you were mad. It's because it has mass appeal, but still has depth and complexities enough to keep more mature or cerebral gamers happy (read: addicted). Don't be fooled by the semi cartoony visuals and the talk of 14 yr old wow players on gaming forums - wow is an exquisitely crafted game, with a great engine, fantastic artwork, great net code, and near perfect execution. They understand their market perfectly and have created a gaming ***** cocain perfectly tailored for them.
Its not the game itself that gives it a bad repuation, its the playerbase. I doubt anyone will topple it within the next couple of years at least unless blizzard screw the game up somehow and (they're unlikely to do anyting stupid lest they break their money printing press) simply because it will be so hard to beat the guys they have working at blizzard (blizz cream off the very very best staff from other companies generally) and they can just keep releasing content to keep people happy playing longer. People who've played wow with half a brain can tell its a great game, even if they don't like it. I personally don't like the grind, or the non permanence, lack of any death penalty and inability to affect the world in a meaningful way, but I can still appreciate it as a prospective game artist.
I love seeing people post the "go play wow" comments on this forum, so deliciously ironic. The irony is in the the fact people here revile wow not for the game itself, but the people who play it - they dislike what they belive is wows playerbase. The people everyone hates are the rude little 14 your old scroats that play the game, or the guys who run round killing people going "omg lol pwned noob" and posting the O RLY? bird in the forums.
The "go play wow" people are exactly the sort of people and behave exactly the way which causes all the hate for wow in the first place. Everytime they say "go play wow", they're basically outing themselves as exactly the sort of little ****s that people here hates Wow players for.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:34:00 -
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Nice reply to the above poster. finally a guy with some sense :)
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Sanzorz
Amarr EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:51:00 -
[41]
I moved from WoW to EVE.
Several reasons. Most mmos are fantasy based and this was certainly a new shred of light for trying a different universe.
I had 6 level 60 chars in WoW before TBC. Addictive perhaps, but it's silly easy to level. When 10 more levels hitted the shelf, then I knew it was like going going all over again. In EVE you can just keep going all the time and still be part of the game. You wont experience much in instances in WoW if you aren't 70.
The lore in Warcraft was awesome, but sadly they are just twisting it more and more to silly parts to create more money. Sadly the old team who created most in the old Blizzard games left or has been fired. I can't complain about the EVE lore, because I hardly took my time to read about it.
The amount of time demanded in WoW was way too much for me in the end. EVE is easier to balance as it goes on offline with the training. WoW dosen't.
Ingame amount of time. As said...EVE can be more balanced whereas in WoW you had to dedicate ALOT of time getting consumables for the next raid depending on your class. It felt like worthless time, because instances shouldn't require these many consumables.
WoW was alot of fun to me, but now I just get the feeling it's taking another road. The lore is getting more and more fubared (just look at the changes for their new expansion) and the time required IF you wanted to raid cannot be balanced. --- Member of the Danish Evefan.DK corp |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:05:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:22 Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:00
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Okano Hykeido U know how many GOOD Wizards & Warrior MMO's ?? i not even go there.
Aye, fixed it a bit
Also, space massives have been around. EVE is just the WoW of space MMOs.
Can u name one ? cos i dont remember anything like it Since Frontier Elite II on the amiga.
Earth and beoynd was a complete space massive, starwars galaxies(in a sense) was one too, especially since spaceflight came in.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:16:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:22 Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:29:00
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Okano Hykeido U know how many GOOD Wizards & Warrior MMO's ?? i not even go there.
Aye, fixed it a bit
Also, space massives have been around. EVE is just the WoW of space MMOs.
Can u name one ? cos i dont remember anything like it Since Frontier Elite II on the amiga.
Earth and beoynd was a complete space massive, starwars galaxies(in a sense) was one too, especially since spaceflight came in.
Star Wars Galaxies was never really about space tho, Sure u could have space battles and do missions in space. Infact the space in the game was almost more advance than that of eve.....fact being you could walk around your YT1300(Falcon) But that game was never really about space. It happened on the ground, still does. You dont trade in space, u dont dock at space stations. Its ground oriented game with yeah some space flight. I wouldnt really call it a space MMO playing SWG since beta was a jedi knight untill they nerfd the game mechanics tried to port it to console (oh no please dont get me started with SWG)
Ok Earth and Beyond il let u have that one :)
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coldplasma
Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:18:00 -
[44]
You've been complaining a lot about this game recently, I think you should leave and play WoW. Enjoy your level 70 cap. _________________
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:19:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Star Wars Galaxies was never really about space tho, Sure u could have space battles and do missions in space. Infact the space in the game was almost more advance than that of eve.....fact being you could walk around your YT1300(Falcon) But that game was never really about space. It happened on the ground, still does. You dont trade in space, u dont dock at space stations. Its ground oriented game with yeah some space flight. I wouldnt really call it a space MMO playing SWG since beta was a jedi knight untill they nerfd the game mechanics tried to port it to console (oh no please dont get me started with SWG)
Ok Earth and Beyond il let u have that one :)
Yeah, there were others aswell, but they were so supported/good that they were cancelled before launch or VERY quickly after.
Just saferto take fantasy up.
EVE was almost a flop aswell, it just managed to put the right things into release.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:26:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Sanzorz I moved from WoW to EVE.
Several reasons. Most mmos are fantasy based and this was certainly a new shred of light for trying a different universe.
I had 6 level 60 chars in WoW before TBC. Addictive perhaps, but it's silly easy to level. When 10 more levels hitted the shelf, then I knew it was like going going all over again. In EVE you can just keep going all the time and still be part of the game. You wont experience much in instances in WoW if you aren't 70.
The lore in Warcraft was awesome, but sadly they are just twisting it more and more to silly parts to create more money. Sadly the old team who created most in the old Blizzard games left or has been fired. I can't complain about the EVE lore, because I hardly took my time to read about it.
The amount of time demanded in WoW was way too much for me in the end. EVE is easier to balance as it goes on offline with the training. WoW dosen't.
Ingame amount of time. As said...EVE can be more balanced whereas in WoW you had to dedicate ALOT of time getting consumables for the next raid depending on your class. It felt like worthless time, because instances shouldn't require these many consumables.
WoW was alot of fun to me, but now I just get the feeling it's taking another road. The lore is getting more and more fubared (just look at the changes for their new expansion) and the time required IF you wanted to raid cannot be balanced.
yeah i totaly agree with you m8, it takes alot of time. I have very good friends that left the game because they couldnt dedicate the amount of time it took to keep playing it End game. About the game lore tho, they havnt twisted it to much yet just changed a few minor things like maps from the old games. but not the lore itself. But i beleive they will be doing after this expansion or implementing more lore. The story of Arthas is about to be completed tho and finaly let people fight against him. They havent changed Arthas or Illidans lore in anyway or by adding Outland or Northrend to the game. These places have always been in Warcraft lore.
But i fear they will be doing in another expansion down the road......but i cant see myself playing warcraft for that long. Ive had enough of my time there now, completed almost all instances End Game and its enough for me now.....its just im main tank for the guild- alot of people have put in many many hours of time to get me the gear i have and to be able to do the things i can...me included. I cant bail out on them now just because im enjoying eve so much right now. So im playing both lol. Raiding in wow and playing eve also, good thing about eve is i can still lvl whilst offline imba. but thats just one thing.
just cut the smack talk people who have never even played wow. And i wouldnt even compare the two games, because they are totally different in my eyes as a gamer.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:28:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 13:31:19
Originally by: coldplasma You've been complaining a lot about this game recently, I think you should leave and play WoW. Enjoy your level 70 cap.
sorry to give u the wrong understanding, no i love eve. i will enjoy my lvl 70 cap on wow also, its not about levels like eve really, skill comes into it. lol ill enjoy my tier 5 Destroyer set also. but i cant enjoy eve because omg i might say some nice things about wow? LoL
Just cut the smack talk about wow cos half the people here have never played it. I hated wow mate beleive me, but id never played it untill the killed SWG. then i actualy gave it more than 5minutes. Its very different to eve, read some more replies to get a better understanding of whats being said Coldplasma.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:41:00 -
[48]
Why is everyone so hostile??? While he worded it a bit weird, the idea is pretty sound.
WOW caters to the masses, and the masses don't like EVE that much. Ofcourse that's not all of it. Massive advertising, and the Blizzard name sure do a lot as well.
But they're games designed for completely different audiences, and while EVE may not be for adults, and WOW not for kids. If you look at the average age of the players of these 2 games, you will see that EVE does indeed attract a older playerbase ( I'm not saying more mature... really look at COAD )
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Mangtraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:42:00 -
[49]
Originally by: coldplasma You've been complaining a lot about this game recently, I think you should leave and play WoW. Enjoy your level 70 cap.
Originally by: Mangtraxx
I love seeing people post the "go play wow" comments on this forum, so deliciously ironic. The irony is in the the fact people here revile wow not for the game itself, but the people who play it - they dislike what they belive is wows playerbase. The people everyone hates are the rude little 14 your old scroats that play the game, or the guys who run round killing people going "omg lol pwned noob" and posting the O RLY? bird in the forums.
The "go play wow" people are exactly the sort of people and behave exactly the way which causes all the hate for wow in the first place. Everytime they say "go play wow", they're basically outing themselves as exactly the sort of little ****s that people here hates Wow players for.
Please see above. Only the 5th post after mine, lol.
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:44:00 -
[50]
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
xbox live you tool.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:54:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
xbox live you tool.
lets not start a discussion about the downfalls of that - you tool ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:55:00 -
[52]
oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:56:00 -
[53]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
xbox live you tool.
lets not start a discussion about the downfalls of that - you tool
I guess the PC will go down with it considering live will link pc and console gaming
Caldari and proud |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:58:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
xbox live you tool.
lets not start a discussion about the downfalls of that - you tool
I guess the PC will go down with it considering live will link pc and console gaming
read post 53 then get a clue that i meant console games of the old ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
JoDirt
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:14:00 -
[55]
Wow is popular because Blizzard has created a lot of really great games, has spent a ton on advertising and has been established for many years now. Wow is a simple game but not everyone is looking for a session in critical thinking when they turn on the video games
Eve is also a great game however CCP doesn't spend as much on advertising, doesn't have the same level of financial backing. Eve has a very large learning curve which is always cited in the game reviews.
In closing - apples and oranges.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:26:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Im hardcore mate
This speaks volumes
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:56:00 -
[57]
Funny, so much truth, so much fiction...
I have played Wow... took me 2 months to get sick of it, partially due to the game play, part due to the people... it's a good game, but not one I could take for long... From my point of view, run around an area doing quests and killing mobs, then move to another area and do the same thing...
SiJira, in your first post you said Quote: wow caters to the single player gamers and console retirees
You are wrong... flat out wrong... Wow caters to Carebears, single players or Groups working together to accomplish tasks that can not be affected by outside forces...
Then you say Quote: you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
which is half right... but it depends on your goal... if to get to level 70 is your goal, you can do that solo... if your goal is to experience the whole game, you can't do is solo, but need a cooperating group...
Eve caters to PvP, and while the members of our community here may disagree, there are a hell of a lot more of us Carebears, then the PvPers in the whole of the gaming community.
Eve is also Goal oriented, and Solo or Group play is based on those goals... Building a ship without waste and for a minimum amount of minerals is a solo goal, mining all your ore yourself is both solo and group, taking over and holding space requires a group...
Eve can be played for years and you never get more then 12 jumps from the system you started in, or you can have visited hundreds of systems...
But as has been pointed out before, Wow has masses of advertisement, Eve needs moreą but imagine Eve with 100,000 people trying to log iną or 500,000ą how would the single server system eve uses hold up? Or would we have shards at that point???
Personally, I dislike the cookie cutter character model of most of these gamesą every character of a type has the same skills, the same gearą Eve lets me create Hamfast, a mining Industrialist that can fight his way out of a paper bag as long as itĘs soggy enoughą were it Hamfast, the Galantine industrialist that needs someone else to supply his minerals, another to research his BPOĘs another to transport his goodsą he can learn to do all of that himselfą
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:56:00 -
[58]
Funny, so much truth, so much fiction...
I have played Wow... took me 2 months to get sick of it, partially due to the game play, part due to the people... it's a good game, but not one I could take for long... From my point of view, run around an area doing quests and killing mobs, then move to another area and do the same thing...
SiJira, in your first post you said Quote: wow caters to the single player gamers and console retirees
You are wrong... flat out wrong... Wow caters to Carebears, single players or Groups working together to accomplish tasks that can not be affected by outside forces...
Then you say Quote: you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
which is half right... but it depends on your goal... if to get to level 70 is your goal, you can do that solo... if your goal is to experience the whole game, you can't do is solo, but need a cooperating group...
Eve caters to PvP, and while the members of our community here may disagree, there are a hell of a lot more of us Carebears, then the PvPers in the whole of the gaming community.
Eve is also Goal oriented, and Solo or Group play is based on those goals... Building a ship without waste and for a minimum amount of minerals is a solo goal, mining all your ore yourself is both solo and group, taking over and holding space requires a group...
Eve can be played for years and you never get more then 12 jumps from the system you started in, or you can have visited hundreds of systems...
But as has been pointed out before, Wow has masses of advertisement, Eve needs moreą but imagine Eve with 100,000 people trying to log iną or 500,000ą how would the single server system eve uses hold up? Or would we have shards at that point???
Personally, I dislike the cookie cutter character model of most of these gamesą every character of a type has the same skills, the same gearą Eve lets me create Hamfast, a mining Industrialist that can fight his way out of a paper bag as long as itĘs soggy enoughą were it Hamfast, the Galantine industrialist that needs someone else to supply his minerals, another to research his BPOĘs another to transport his goodsą he can learn to do all of that himselfą
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Zato Ichii
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:03:00 -
[59]
i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve
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Zato Ichii
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:03:00 -
[60]
i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:07:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive
They do, as much as kids are in EVE.
Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu".
i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive
They do, as much as kids are in EVE.
Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu".
i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:08:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Zato Ichii i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve
sshhh ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:08:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Zato Ichii i read the first page then skipped the rest. it's pretty easy. blizzard made wow and blizzard did not make eve hence millions of people play wow and millions of people do not play eve. blizzard at this point could release an mmo called 'watch paint dry online' and sell 10 million copies. they don't have to do any marketing. they have such a good track record everyone will at least try out any of their new games whereas many people have never heard of eve
sshhh ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
FreelancerAlpha
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:04:00 -
[65]
Yes, haha. People who are from other places, or like different things are ******S and LOSERS who deserve our mock and scorn, along with whatever things they like!
If Eve is so full of mature players, why the hell is there 2 pages of people so insecure about their hobbies that they need to bash 1 in order to promote the other?
Wow did a lot of things succesfully, and frankly you have to have played a few MMOs to understand that. It *is* a game that aims at pleasing the most people at once, so it never actually becomes "the greatest" at any particular thing. Raiders complain about ez-mode content, soloers complain about raiders superiority, traders complain about crappy market etc.
Wow is not Eve. That is its only "crime". As far as products go, the only thing that went wrong with WoW's launch was its server's instabilities due to high loads. How many other MMO companies can say the same, even after having been in the business for years? Were it possible, I'd absolutely encourage CCP to allow customisation of the interface like WoW enjoys. It goes an enormous way to streamlining gameplay. It does mean that you gotta watch for hacks, and creative uses of the game, but it also means that players build a piece of the game that often supercedes what the developers originally planned. Hell, most WoW players probably don't use the default interface.
Eve is a great game, but its not lite. A new player cannot catch an older player, a new player must invest a great deal of time to understanding concepts before he can even move his ship. He will continue to learn things about eve for months and years to come. You will never sell 5 million copies of a game like that. Because within the demographics you'll have x hundred thousand who wont even play because of the "unfairness" of not getting to powerlevel. Another x hundred thousand who feel their gameplay is disrupted by having to view what they see as an inferior interface (coders/devs will be the ones to think like that). A few million who feel that if they pay $15 a month, they shouldn't have to get podded, robbed, or otherwise harassed by accounts that aren't even paid for. A few hundred thousand who wont play because they like being godlike, and the vulnerability of all ships to other ships means they'll never get that (would YOU take a mothership/titan around without a support fleet? Is there a BS that can wtfpwn with impunity in newby zones?).
Etc etc. You see my point. Its nothing about eve being superior. Wow is a retailer who sells every item of clothing, eve is a retailer who just sells shoes.
(Note to devs, I do not mean to insult eve at all, I like it far better because its alive)
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:07:00 -
[66]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive
They do, as much as kids are in EVE.
Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu".
i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average
Well, i dunno, guess only statistics would show this, if it took into consideration the difference in playernumbers too. But i think the reason why wow "seems" to have more kids, is because there are mroe people.
In my experience, the age really hasn't shown in either WoW or EVE, in any way.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:36:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: SiJira oh and to the guys claiming older people play wow naive
They do, as much as kids are in EVE.
Simple really, anyone thinking otherwise is a bit "dunduu".
i mean the people citing some lame half thought out poll that claims wow players are older on average
Well, i dunno, guess only statistics would show this, if it took into consideration the difference in playernumbers too. But i think the reason why wow "seems" to have more kids, is because there are mroe people.
In my experience, the age really hasn't shown in either WoW or EVE, in any way.
Got to agree with you... age really has no bearing... there are a lot more kids (under 18) playing Wow... but then there are a lot more people playing Wow...
Statistics would have to be used to determine the "average" age, and while I have no doubt (opinion here) that the "Average Age" of the eve players may be higher then the average age of the Wow Player, one player in eve has a much greater affect on that average simply because of the sample... I would also be willing to bet that the Average Age of the Eve Player is not a lot higher then the average age of the Wow Player simply because with the samples we have would tend to bring that average to a median point of the player community.
The other point may be maturity level, and just from this thread shows that the differences between Eve and Wow may not be all that big.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:41:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Shevar on 14/08/2007 16:41:09
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Wow's endgame dungeons got reduced to a 25 man sized raid (including TK) after TBC's launch. Interesting to see that there are people even willing to let someone MT if he can't even count up to 40.
PEACE
--- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:49:00 -
[69]
Originally by: FreelancerAlpha Yes, haha. People who are from other places, or like different things are ******S and LOSERS who deserve our mock and scorn, along with whatever things they like!
If Eve is so full of mature players, why the hell is there 2 pages of people so insecure about their hobbies that they need to bash 1 in order to promote the other?
Wow did a lot of things succesfully, and frankly you have to have played a few MMOs to understand that. It *is* a game that aims at pleasing the most people at once, so it never actually becomes "the greatest" at any particular thing. Raiders complain about ez-mode content, soloers complain about raiders superiority, traders complain about crappy market etc.
Wow is not Eve. That is its only "crime". As far as products go, the only thing that went wrong with WoW's launch was its server's instabilities due to high loads. How many other MMO companies can say the same, even after having been in the business for years? Were it possible, I'd absolutely encourage CCP to allow customisation of the interface like WoW enjoys. It goes an enormous way to streamlining gameplay. It does mean that you gotta watch for hacks, and creative uses of the game, but it also means that players build a piece of the game that often supercedes what the developers originally planned. Hell, most WoW players probably don't use the default interface.
Eve is a great game, but its not lite. A new player cannot catch an older player, a new player must invest a great deal of time to understanding concepts before he can even move his ship. He will continue to learn things about eve for months and years to come. You will never sell 5 million copies of a game like that. Because within the demographics you'll have x hundred thousand who wont even play because of the "unfairness" of not getting to powerlevel. Another x hundred thousand who feel their gameplay is disrupted by having to view what they see as an inferior interface (coders/devs will be the ones to think like that). A few million who feel that if they pay $15 a month, they shouldn't have to get podded, robbed, or otherwise harassed by accounts that aren't even paid for. A few hundred thousand who wont play because they like being godlike, and the vulnerability of all ships to other ships means they'll never get that (would YOU take a mothership/titan around without a support fleet? Is there a BS that can wtfpwn with impunity in newby zones?).
Etc etc. You see my point. Its nothing about eve being superior. Wow is a retailer who sells every item of clothing, eve is a retailer who just sells shoes.
(Note to devs, I do not mean to insult eve at all, I like it far better because its alive)
there are a lot of ex-wow and other mmorpg players that try to pretend like the only game they ever played is eve and thats where any scorn comes from ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:03:00 -
[70]
Never played World of Warcraft, so I can't say anything 'bout that. However, I would like to mention that up until Eve Online, I only played single player games (both PC single player and console). Furthermore, Eve is the first and only MMO I've paid-to-play. So, I grew up as a typical single-player. Now that I'm in Eve I'm a team-player. ---
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:13:00 -
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Eve would have millions of players too SirJira if CCP sharded the game and marketed the living hell out of it like Blizzard does.. (Imagine the Unholy Chaos in the server rooms that adding a few hundred clones of the current cluster would generate.. Let alone the petitions.. ) And technically Eve is the bigger game as its single enviroment holds 30k+ players at once whilst Wow only gets to about 3k per shard..
Originally by: David Hackworth ņ If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vyyrus on 14/08/2007 17:23:05 Edited by: Vyyrus on 14/08/2007 17:21:47 Yeah, go level up. Even though EVE has a few kinks in it, it is not overran by kids most mature game I have played. I like eve it forces people to work together as a team.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vyyrus I like eve it forces people to work together as a team.
Or to purchase multiple accounts because I'm a non-social ****er..
Originally by: David Hackworth ņ If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Sc0tia
Minmatar Iceni Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:34:00 -
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WoW is only full of console gamers?
Whoa what was/am I doing there then.... I played WoW as I've been a huge MMORPG gamer along with being a huge Warcraft fan....WoW continues the lore in it.
As for your mention of Eve growing....well yeah it will grow, Eve appeals to a lot of people that like to PvP (Myself as one) and play a harder class of game(with regards to trading etc)
Eve is growing all the time and has been since it was released...nothing new there.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/08/2007 17:37:22
Stereotyping is fun but useless, mkey?
Ive played WoW. Ive played Eve. I have a x-box 360. Where do I fit in? Probably in the "gamer" category, which probably means I never take a shower and dont date people. Also I probably drink Jolt Cola and hang out on hacker gatherings...
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:39:00 -
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WOW is a fun game. WOW is a different game. You cant compare the two even in terms of who has the most subscribers because CCP probably doesnt/didnt have near the hundreds of millions to blow on sensaitionalism advertising.
WOW is a linear game and heavily combat oriented. You fight to gain xp and money...you move up the slider. You die...you move down the slider. Eve is very non linear. There is no way of figuring out who is more powerful. Someone might be better in a HAC due to skills while the other might be better in a battleships for the same reason. However, they both are probably noobs when it comes to hualing frieght and playing the market for the same reason. Being a CEO is a true game profession with many of the dynamics of the real world and the good ones are not good because they have the better skills, I can tell you that right now. The coolest thing about this game is the more inovative you are, the more your going to get out of it. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Lynal
Gallente Peregrin Avionics Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus Never played World of Warcraft, so I can't say anything 'bout that. However, I would like to mention that up until Eve Online, I only played single player games (both PC single player and console). Furthermore, Eve is the first and only MMO I've paid-to-play. So, I grew up as a typical single-player. Now that I'm in Eve I'm a team-player.
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i am an ex-wow'r. in fact i still have an account. there are some times when i just need to mellow out in a no risk fun enviroment.
thats the difference. wow is just mindless fun. eve is thinking fun. every single aspect of eve you need to think about. will this fitting on this ship be best? will going here get me killed? will attacking this make me the most money?
you gotta ask the same things in wow... but the difference is that if you screw up answering those question in wow, you don't have to spend the next day to a month putting things right, depending on what you decided and what you're flying... (and lets not even mention how screwing up politics with other players might never be rectifiable... whereas in wow your reputation has little effect on your gameplay).
in the end, wow is designed for plain fun, for little effort. eve gives you just as much fun... but its more serious. thats what has been the attraction that has given wow over 10million subscribers. thats why there hasn't been the predicted flood of players leaving wow and going to other games... thats why there never will be.
non-gamers AND gamers play wow for the easy fun factor... only gamers play eve.
so ya... bashing wow, pointless. both wow and eve are good games... but they're completly different in every respect, especially their core design philosophy and appeal.
Originally by: Daeva Vios It's fair when the larger force is on my side.
It's lame when the larger force is on their side.
How have people not figured this out yet?
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Lynal
Gallente Peregrin Avionics Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0tia
Eve is growing all the time and has been since it was released...nothing new there.
eve is actually one of the few mmo's on the market that hasn't followed the normal trend where its popularity peaks after a year or two then slowly starts a steady decline... even wow is guilty of that (it took the expansion for it to start gaining more people than it was losing again).
but eve... well its growing still after how many years? slowly compared to other games for sure, but if you're patient in the end what does time matter?
Originally by: Daeva Vios It's fair when the larger force is on my side.
It's lame when the larger force is on their side.
How have people not figured this out yet?
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Kage Psychodin
Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira interesting when i talk about wow people tell me to go to wow and when i say i havent seen it they tell me i dont know what i talk about - well lets see i know many people that do play wow and what they tell me and how they play shows what i said to be true im sure some of you are ex addicts and can agree if you have truely let go of that game
ill agree that its like talking about apples and oranges but im sure more people fit for pvp and go pvp in wow in these - organized - groups
while in eve people fit up according to what their gang will do and how they will do it best with what fits
anyways good luck to all the wow carebears
Hey, guess what SiJira? I HAVE played WoW. Its not a bad game, just not a group game in the sense of what Everquest came down to. Sorry if people think every MMO needs to be like every other MMO. I played it for about 8 months, but I just couldn't get into the raiding, just because I was perfectly happy with average equipment. if they had more 5-15 man group instances like at first, that would have been perfect. Might haven even stayed, but my guild leader left for college, and it just wasn't as nice with the people who helped you level on anymore.
It's a different game, 10 million? (almost) people enjoy it, even if its not a fantastic system, they have every right to, or are you all so caught up in a "REAL PVP MMO" mindset you can;t let people enjoy their own kind of a game? Everyone needs to drop this. Seriously, all it does is result in flame and troll bait like this, it should be a Lock On Sight topic.
Let people enjoy their own damn game and stop using it as an insult.
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 18:36:26 . double post :o
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Okano Hykeido
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 18:35:46
Originally by: Okano Hykeido
Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 14/08/2007 16:45:01
Originally by: Okano Hykeido Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 14/08/2007 12:14:23 I play both games.
Im main tank for a guild so i cant really leave them :)
words like END GAME - 40 man RAID. LoL id like to see you solo Tempest Keep the EYE that would be funny.
Wow's endgame dungeons got reduced to a 25 man sized raid (including TK) after TBC's launch. Interesting to see that there are people even willing to let someone MT while he can't even count up to 40.
PEACE (had to use the caps somewhere)
they didnt get reduced, just the new ones are 25man. because so many kids found it to hard to get such a big team together. naxx is still 40man (not for long tho) BWL 40man AQ40 - man MC 40man.
We can still raid these places. 40man. Outdoor world boss - Kazzak - 40man Raid.
Yes Yes the new instances are 25man, Tempest Keep etc.
still u need 24mates and u would get 2shotted (if u lucky) by the guys on the door if uwent there all by yourself. So by nomeans can u possibly SOLO(CAPS FOR EMPHASIS) the whole entire wow. Like the op surgested.
U get the point ? or do i have to spell it out even simpler
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Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:37:00 -
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I play both. They are different games. Stfu already.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:44:00 -
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who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
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Edey
Minmatar Free Space Tech VooDoo Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
Who told you this? Good luck soloing end-game content in wow... Actually, there is much more solo players in EVE than in wow. If we are talking about pve content, of course.
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Hellaciouss
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
Last time I tried to solo even the first two trash mobs in MC at 70 in full epix I failed miserably. Maybe I'm a noob? Who knows. I do know, however, that you're an idiot. Stop comparing the games, it's making you look stupid.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hellaciouss
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
Last time I tried to solo even the first two trash mobs in MC at 70 in full epix I failed miserably. Maybe I'm a noob? Who knows. I do know, however, that you're an idiot. Stop comparing the games, it's making you look stupid.
lol why dont you stop trying to sound intelligent no two things are alike - it does not mean comparisons cant be made
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:09:00 -
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WoW has great PvE interaction. To complete the harder content you need a group and the group has to work together. You have to deal with phases in fights that require different forms of dps/tank, aggro resets ect ect ect... It is fun to lead WoW raids. PvP in wow is ****. It is has no impact, no death penalty, no looting ect ect ect...
EVE has **** PvE, no really it is terrible, its easy and it has no depth and requires no real teamwork. However EVE PvP is awesome :) Harsh death penalty, looting, territorial control and so on. If they fix it so large fleet battles actually work then it will be truly epic.
In short WoW lets you take part in epic story lines driven by NPCs. EVE lets you create epic storylines driven by players. The players each attracts will reflect this.
PS. EVE's crafting/production/trade system kicks ass over WoW's
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Trade Girly
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Trade Girly on 14/08/2007 19:20:06 WoW and Eve are very similar games, Here and there you have to farm a lot, same *******ng and stupid trolls that will tell I'm wrong, both Toally suck in some aspects (pvp and pve), devs that don't listen to players, boring to hell but I play here because I have no other game to choose. Just one thing, "9mils and 200k".
edit: and yeah, one was very bugged and other one is still bugged.
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:23:00 -
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"Look, up in the sky! It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's Super Troll! He's carrying an industrial full of petrol you say? Oh my what for? Oh he's droping it on this thread. That's gonna leave a mark. Um, is that fire coming out of his hands?"
Burn already. Good gods, you people are just bad no matter what game you play. Equally as nutter and egotistical just because of 'your game' (that 'you' didn't even make) and the fact that 'you're playing it', makes you special or different to every other game and it's player-base.
Guess what? Ya'll are still silly, no matter what you play or for what reason. Get a grip. What are you all going to start WWIII over video games or something? (Ach, now there's a scary thought) Yoda voice: "Dysfunctional by far, this thread is."
Where the heck are those moderators that are usually quicker on the ball to close threads like this?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:25:00 -
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I have them tied up in red tape while i roast marshmallows in here
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Halacris
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: CelticKnight WoW has a large community, not from what you believe.. but because you dont even require 2 braincells to be able to play it.. a 8Yr old can pick the game up, start playing it and gain a little satisfaction. Ive played it (ZOMGOSH!). it requires so little skill i can play it effectively while drunk off my face, and asleep. Anyone, no matter thier age can get into it..
Whereas only the smart can play eve. Almost everyone i know is over 15yrs old.. because most of the concepts from eve are complex!
THAT is why wow is popular.. because anyone can pick it up, play it and feel good about themselves.. even though they may never get into a deeper aspect that smashing pathetic little NPCs. thus, only 5% of people actually make it to the levelcap :)
haha id imagine 50% of those do like i, get sick of it because of its total brainlessness, and go and play eve.. Thats if thier brain hasnt become a wet sponge from playing wow :)
Only the smart play EVE? You and your post prove otherwise. Not to mention, the bunch of other idiots that play this game.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hamfast on 14/08/2007 20:07:00
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
how about:
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
How are we supposed to interpret
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
if not as you saying:
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
type-o
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:19:00 -
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sigh wow has millions of players because they have dark elf chicks and all we got is exotic dancers or static pictures of exotic dancers.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
Where did talking to veterans of both games and 1000 nanodomis come into answering the question:
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
When it was you who said it in your first postą Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
My wife plays Wow, I understand that a raid group with 40+ players is rare, that a normal group in Wow is at most 5 or 6 charactersą Much can be done solo or in small groupsą
I also understand that fights in Eve may have more players then you would find on a Wow server (World), tactics are much more important in Eve then Wową but what has Eve got to do with your question?
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast ***
if you cant understand what i said and think saying - as if you are - is the same as - you are - then we are done here ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:08:00 -
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I love EVE and at least log in to check stuff every day I can get to my computer. That said I also like my 360 and get in a game or two of Halo every weekend. The two may generally attract different users but they are by no means mutually exclusive.
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:18:00 -
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SiJira is looking for more attention. His old thread died so he has to troll out another.
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
I'm not defending WoW so much as pointing out a misconception. While you can play in single-player Diablo II mode, more or less, the real fun of that game is when you get into group action (instances, raids, pvp runs against the other faction, etc). It's really not a half bad game, however, it is mindlessly childish on many levels, which is why I vastly prefer EVE and it's community of mostly-adults and the way EVE caters to a more rounded intellect and mature person.
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Eve would have millions of players too SirJira if CCP sharded the game and marketed the living hell out of it like Blizzard does.. (Imagine the Unholy Chaos in the server rooms that adding a few hundred clones of the current cluster would generate.. Let alone the petitions.. ) And technically Eve is the bigger game as its single enviroment holds 30k+ players at once whilst Wow only to about 3k per shard..
I've never seen a commercial for wow. Outside of a few store displays on an xpac release, where does Blizzard market WoW that a normal, mainstream non-geek would see? I'm not asking that in a leading way, I honestly don't know the answer to the question. The only reference I've heard directly about WoW in the mainstream media was on South Park and it wasn't a flattering reference.
The reason people play WoW is that, like it or not, it is fun in many respects. I'm an EVE old timer, been playing since 2003 and love it more than any other MMORPG I've played to date, or even better than the MUD's I used to play in text-console mode using a zMud client (or tin-tin, heh). Forbidden Lands anybody? Anyway, WoW has a lot of appeal that isn't mindless and can be quite entertaining. There is group play, and that's really the best part of it in my opinion. Nothing like a decent 1 hour 5 man instance to get some teamwork going. Very little lag, as somebody else said a flawless execution of the game since inception and lots of interesting quests and activities, and even something of a nascent market (nowhere near as robust as EVE economies of course).
Prefer EVE without question, but I'm not going to bash WoW, or any other MMORPG because they're doing well. The more gamers in the world the better. WoW has made online gaming mainstream, which is something EVE would never be able to do even with billions of dollars of marketing behind it, because it requires a bit more time investment and logistics/planning and learning than most wish to provide after working an 8-12 hour day in the real world.
Just my opinion. Hope both games enjoy long lives.
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Tellenta
Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Do'nt even care about the wow part as i never played it, and probably never will. But you give me 5-10 years to live? ouch thats harsh . I won't even make it to middle age .
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Judas Marr
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:06:00 -
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WoW has more players because WoW is easier in every way. It's really as simple as that. People go on about wanting challenge, but the vast majority of them really don't. People generally want things to be easy.
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:06:00 -
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Stupid topics generate a lot of replies.
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Terex193
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:08:00 -
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i dont like consols lol,the controllers are so small =P
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Patricia Bateman
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:08:00 -
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EvE is actually a far, far larger game than WoW, larger than WoW would ever dare - WoW is sharded and each shard is divided in half. a Few K players per shard. Eve has had 35k players on it's shard. That's ******* massive. It's a town. It's just too big.
oh and for god's sake stop with the EvE vs WoW crap (and especially labelling players of other mmo's as stupid - makes you look like a wannabe hardcore **** and reflects very badly on eve), completely different games, except one doesn't constantly crash locking out all it's players or lag because it's so stupidly big.
oh and EvEs endgame took the term too literally, PoS warfare will be the end of eve. It's lagged out, circular, psuedo political rubbish with hardly a shred of PvP in it; basically a meatgrinder to give the economy a reason to exist. Grinding for a ship only to lose it to scores of ships alpha striking you/masses of lag...I cannot understand why people do it...
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Marr WoW has more players because WoW is easier in every way. It's really as simple as that. People go on about wanting challenge, but the vast majority of them really don't. People generally want things to be easy.
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
That game sorely lacks a death penalty. Yeah, equipment gets dinged, which costs all of nothing to repair, big deal. That's more like a reminder that you kinda sorta got out dps'ed more than a death penalty. "Oh, yeah, he did swing a sword at me yesterday didn't he? Oh well, here's a few silver, back at it!"
The death system on EVE is probably the best I've played. Love it. You lose a lot of investment, but you still retain skills IF you've the proper clone in place. And, it's up to you how hard the equipment investment hit will be (mostly, faction ships not included, and T2 insurance is a joke). Still, penalty there even if you're fully insured and up to date on the clone. Fun fun fun.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.15 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Do'nt even care about the wow part as i never played it, and probably never will. But you give me 5-10 years to live? ouch thats harsh . I won't even make it to middle age .
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.15 01:52:00 -
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WoW is a game.
EVE is a sandbox.
Ppl who wanna play a game play wow, ppl who wanna build their own little world play EVE.
Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
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Reiisha
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 15/08/2007 02:02:29
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
I played WoW (and EVE) before i even got my first ever console, and unless you're saying i will die before i hit 30 i'd say your logic is pretty flawed.
WoW caters to a very different kind of player. There are challenges you will not be able to master when solo'ing, like instances and especially raids. And remember, you can do everything solo, but you can also do everything with more people. There is not a single shred of content in WoW that requires you to be solo, and there's the beauty of it and many other MMORPG's.
You can choose how to do it.
WoW simply has a different set of rules and a different style of gameplay, on many levels EVE and WoW are exactly the same game - Currently there is no 'next-gen' MMO, everything you can play now and everything that's planned for the future is a throwback to Ultima Online, Meridian 59 and all those other graphical MUDS. If WoW dies out, so will EVE, would be my guess.
edit: Try some theorycrafting in WoW before you say 'WoW is for kids'. The beauty of it is that you can choose to ignore the numbers and be an average player, or you can numbercrunch and theorycraft like crazy and be an above average player... Many of you underestimate how deep that game can go.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:38:00 -
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No matter how good woW is or EQ II or CoH/CoV, I can not play them for more them 2-3 months tops, because they do not really lead anyware. Not so with EVE. ***
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oDDiTy V2
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:42:00 -
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Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
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Isyel
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2007.08.15 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
Also WoW was really the first MMO of the "new", post EQ and the like kind, that was also very well polished etc. i guess. It's quite simple really. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Halacris
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Posted - 2007.08.15 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Marr
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
I love it when WoW PvPers call the PvE server players carebear. It's so fun to smack them down and knock them down a few pegs.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
Well, I would say it started out because of that, but grew quickly once people realised how accesable and fun it was.
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Ohne
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Which shows that wow is for flowerpicking fairyboys that take it up the ass.
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Singularity. Fallen Souls
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Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
Why keep posting when its pretty obvious you know nothing about wow. The things you keep posting proove this. WOW was designed to be a multiplayer game. The chars are all made to do different roles in a party.
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Zoltaris
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.15 09:08:00 -
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I play both WoW and EVE, well, much more EVE than WoW, but still...
I like WoW for its simplicity as i like EVE for its complexity
Damn, my 8 year old son has been playing WoW a few hours / week for over a year, the game is in english while he only speak french and he still manage to do well anyway
That should tell how easy that game is to play, he only need my help to explain him what he need to do on some quests (those that don't require to kill or gather X amount of stuff)
Of course, he doesn't interact with other players, as he can't speak with them, but he like the game anyway.
Also, its much easier to stop WoW than to stop EVE, in WoW, unless you're doing a raid and want to stay 'till the end, you can just use the soulstone and go back to the inn and keep doing what you were doing later, even months later if you can't play for a while
In EVE, if you quit in the middle of a mission, you'll either fail the mission or you'll have to start over next time, if you don't fuel your POS, they'll go offline, and fueling many POS is time consuming, and forget going on a 2 weeks trip while on vacation. If you're in the middle of a fight and are scrambled, you know that if you log off, you'll most likely lose your ship, and there's many other situations like that where you can't just quit in a few sec. or even in a few mins.
Someone's knocking at the door? "Damn him! He can just go to hell, i'm not leaving my ship alone in the middle of that fight!"
Ohoh, need to go to the bathroom badly? "Damn, if those scamblers could only leave me alone for a few sec so i could warp away..."
A friend's calling? "Sorry, i'll call you back in a few min., i really need to finish updating my stuff for sale on the market, some idiot is keeping undercutting me" or "No time to answer that phone, i'll call back later"
Well, you get the idea, i could go on like this for a while... -----
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Gorthauran
Amarr Throne of Tragedy
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Posted - 2007.08.15 09:23:00 -
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It doesn't matter what the most popular game is...as it's all relative. Personally I choose EVE because of the far superior player mentality over the WOW kids, we have at least 2 years on them easy.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.15 11:42:00 -
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That you have to be smart to play Eve is a myth. That Eve is harsh is also a myth.
I've met 3 year old Eve players who aren't qualified to work in the postal service.
WoW is a game. It is designed to entertain you.
Eve is an OS that runs on top of Windows. It doesn't entertain you, it provides an ENVIRONMENT in which you can do whatever. You could be bored, you could be entertained, its up to you.
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