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Halacris
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Posted - 2007.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: CelticKnight WoW has a large community, not from what you believe.. but because you dont even require 2 braincells to be able to play it.. a 8Yr old can pick the game up, start playing it and gain a little satisfaction. Ive played it (ZOMGOSH!). it requires so little skill i can play it effectively while drunk off my face, and asleep. Anyone, no matter thier age can get into it..
Whereas only the smart can play eve. Almost everyone i know is over 15yrs old.. because most of the concepts from eve are complex!
THAT is why wow is popular.. because anyone can pick it up, play it and feel good about themselves.. even though they may never get into a deeper aspect that smashing pathetic little NPCs. thus, only 5% of people actually make it to the levelcap :)
haha id imagine 50% of those do like i, get sick of it because of its total brainlessness, and go and play eve.. Thats if thier brain hasnt become a wet sponge from playing wow :)
Only the smart play EVE? You and your post prove otherwise. Not to mention, the bunch of other idiots that play this game.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hamfast on 14/08/2007 20:07:00
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
how about:
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
How are we supposed to interpret
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
if not as you saying:
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
boy some people are bad at reading and just want to flame
im glad there are people here representing the 5% of the population that not only have reading comprehension trained to level V but also have the intelligence to see things for what they are
type-o
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:19:00 -
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sigh wow has millions of players because they have dark elf chicks and all we got is exotic dancers or static pictures of exotic dancers.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.14 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
Where did talking to veterans of both games and 1000 nanodomis come into answering the question:
Originally by: SiJira who said you can solo - the whole entire wow - or everything in the game can be done solo
When it was you who said it in your first postą Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
My wife plays Wow, I understand that a raid group with 40+ players is rare, that a normal group in Wow is at most 5 or 6 charactersą Much can be done solo or in small groupsą
I also understand that fights in Eve may have more players then you would find on a Wow server (World), tactics are much more important in Eve then Wową but what has Eve got to do with your question?
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast ***
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:08:00 -
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I love EVE and at least log in to check stuff every day I can get to my computer. That said I also like my 360 and get in a game or two of Halo every weekend. The two may generally attract different users but they are by no means mutually exclusive.
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Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:18:00 -
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SiJira is looking for more attention. His old thread died so he has to troll out another.
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
I'm not defending WoW so much as pointing out a misconception. While you can play in single-player Diablo II mode, more or less, the real fun of that game is when you get into group action (instances, raids, pvp runs against the other faction, etc). It's really not a half bad game, however, it is mindlessly childish on many levels, which is why I vastly prefer EVE and it's community of mostly-adults and the way EVE caters to a more rounded intellect and mature person.
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Eve would have millions of players too SirJira if CCP sharded the game and marketed the living hell out of it like Blizzard does.. (Imagine the Unholy Chaos in the server rooms that adding a few hundred clones of the current cluster would generate.. Let alone the petitions.. ) And technically Eve is the bigger game as its single enviroment holds 30k+ players at once whilst Wow only to about 3k per shard..
I've never seen a commercial for wow. Outside of a few store displays on an xpac release, where does Blizzard market WoW that a normal, mainstream non-geek would see? I'm not asking that in a leading way, I honestly don't know the answer to the question. The only reference I've heard directly about WoW in the mainstream media was on South Park and it wasn't a flattering reference.
The reason people play WoW is that, like it or not, it is fun in many respects. I'm an EVE old timer, been playing since 2003 and love it more than any other MMORPG I've played to date, or even better than the MUD's I used to play in text-console mode using a zMud client (or tin-tin, heh). Forbidden Lands anybody? Anyway, WoW has a lot of appeal that isn't mindless and can be quite entertaining. There is group play, and that's really the best part of it in my opinion. Nothing like a decent 1 hour 5 man instance to get some teamwork going. Very little lag, as somebody else said a flawless execution of the game since inception and lots of interesting quests and activities, and even something of a nascent market (nowhere near as robust as EVE economies of course).
Prefer EVE without question, but I'm not going to bash WoW, or any other MMORPG because they're doing well. The more gamers in the world the better. WoW has made online gaming mainstream, which is something EVE would never be able to do even with billions of dollars of marketing behind it, because it requires a bit more time investment and logistics/planning and learning than most wish to provide after working an 8-12 hour day in the real world.
Just my opinion. Hope both games enjoy long lives.
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Tellenta
Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Do'nt even care about the wow part as i never played it, and probably never will. But you give me 5-10 years to live? ouch thats harsh . I won't even make it to middle age .
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Judas Marr
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:06:00 -
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WoW has more players because WoW is easier in every way. It's really as simple as that. People go on about wanting challenge, but the vast majority of them really don't. People generally want things to be easy.
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:06:00 -
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Stupid topics generate a lot of replies.
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Terex193
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:08:00 -
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i dont like consols lol,the controllers are so small =P
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Patricia Bateman
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:08:00 -
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EvE is actually a far, far larger game than WoW, larger than WoW would ever dare - WoW is sharded and each shard is divided in half. a Few K players per shard. Eve has had 35k players on it's shard. That's ******* massive. It's a town. It's just too big.
oh and for god's sake stop with the EvE vs WoW crap (and especially labelling players of other mmo's as stupid - makes you look like a wannabe hardcore **** and reflects very badly on eve), completely different games, except one doesn't constantly crash locking out all it's players or lag because it's so stupidly big.
oh and EvEs endgame took the term too literally, PoS warfare will be the end of eve. It's lagged out, circular, psuedo political rubbish with hardly a shred of PvP in it; basically a meatgrinder to give the economy a reason to exist. Grinding for a ship only to lose it to scores of ships alpha striking you/masses of lag...I cannot understand why people do it...
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JeanPierre
Gallente Gun Metal Priests The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Marr WoW has more players because WoW is easier in every way. It's really as simple as that. People go on about wanting challenge, but the vast majority of them really don't. People generally want things to be easy.
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
That game sorely lacks a death penalty. Yeah, equipment gets dinged, which costs all of nothing to repair, big deal. That's more like a reminder that you kinda sorta got out dps'ed more than a death penalty. "Oh, yeah, he did swing a sword at me yesterday didn't he? Oh well, here's a few silver, back at it!"
The death system on EVE is probably the best I've played. Love it. You lose a lot of investment, but you still retain skills IF you've the proper clone in place. And, it's up to you how hard the equipment investment hit will be (mostly, faction ships not included, and T2 insurance is a joke). Still, penalty there even if you're fully insured and up to date on the clone. Fun fun fun.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.15 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Do'nt even care about the wow part as i never played it, and probably never will. But you give me 5-10 years to live? ouch thats harsh . I won't even make it to middle age .
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.15 01:52:00 -
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WoW is a game.
EVE is a sandbox.
Ppl who wanna play a game play wow, ppl who wanna build their own little world play EVE.
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Reiisha
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 15/08/2007 02:02:29
Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
I played WoW (and EVE) before i even got my first ever console, and unless you're saying i will die before i hit 30 i'd say your logic is pretty flawed.
WoW caters to a very different kind of player. There are challenges you will not be able to master when solo'ing, like instances and especially raids. And remember, you can do everything solo, but you can also do everything with more people. There is not a single shred of content in WoW that requires you to be solo, and there's the beauty of it and many other MMORPG's.
You can choose how to do it.
WoW simply has a different set of rules and a different style of gameplay, on many levels EVE and WoW are exactly the same game - Currently there is no 'next-gen' MMO, everything you can play now and everything that's planned for the future is a throwback to Ultima Online, Meridian 59 and all those other graphical MUDS. If WoW dies out, so will EVE, would be my guess.
edit: Try some theorycrafting in WoW before you say 'WoW is for kids'. The beauty of it is that you can choose to ignore the numbers and be an average player, or you can numbercrunch and theorycraft like crazy and be an above average player... Many of you underestimate how deep that game can go.
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FarScape III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:38:00 -
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No matter how good woW is or EQ II or CoH/CoV, I can not play them for more them 2-3 months tops, because they do not really lead anyware. Not so with EVE. ***
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oDDiTy V2
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 02:42:00 -
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Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
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Isyel
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2007.08.15 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
Also WoW was really the first MMO of the "new", post EQ and the like kind, that was also very well polished etc. i guess. It's quite simple really. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Halacris
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Posted - 2007.08.15 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Judas Marr
I love hearing WoW PvPers talk about how hardcore they are, though. It's like bragging about dominating Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
I love it when WoW PvPers call the PvE server players carebear. It's so fun to smack them down and knock them down a few pegs.
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Halacris
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Posted - 2007.08.15 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Without reading this thread (who does that anyways! :P)
WoW has more subscribers because it has a huge fanbase as a result of:
Warcraft -> Warcraft II -> Warcraft III, all hit games, naturally, many people who played them are interested in WoW.
EVE has... well... EVE.
If EVE perhaps had several hit RTS games before it that millions of people played, then yeah, we'd probably have millions of subscribers as well, but then EVE just wouldn't be the same.
Well, I would say it started out because of that, but grew quickly once people realised how accesable and fun it was.
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Ohne
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira wow cators to the single player gamers and console retirees you can play that entire game as if you are the only one on the server and other people are just npcs
in eve even when using braindead tactics you will do better in a group
so in 5 - 10 years console retirees will start dying - wow dies and the modern generation of pc gamers will find everything they wanted in EVE
Which shows that wow is for flowerpicking fairyboys that take it up the ass.
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heheheh
Singularity. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.15 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 14/08/2007 20:16:56
Originally by: Hamfast stuff
if you even talked to veterans of both games you would see the difference between those two sentences immediately
the only multiplayer consideration you make before you have a big battle in wow is if you got a few guys that can heal you in eve you dont just hope you got a few guys that can heal you - you want a good fleet leader and good team work sure you could have 1000 nanodomis fly as your fleet but a couple of average sniper groups would take ya out with sensor linking and other multiplayer aspects that dont exist in wow
Why keep posting when its pretty obvious you know nothing about wow. The things you keep posting proove this. WOW was designed to be a multiplayer game. The chars are all made to do different roles in a party.
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Zoltaris
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.15 09:08:00 -
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I play both WoW and EVE, well, much more EVE than WoW, but still...
I like WoW for its simplicity as i like EVE for its complexity
Damn, my 8 year old son has been playing WoW a few hours / week for over a year, the game is in english while he only speak french and he still manage to do well anyway
That should tell how easy that game is to play, he only need my help to explain him what he need to do on some quests (those that don't require to kill or gather X amount of stuff)
Of course, he doesn't interact with other players, as he can't speak with them, but he like the game anyway.
Also, its much easier to stop WoW than to stop EVE, in WoW, unless you're doing a raid and want to stay 'till the end, you can just use the soulstone and go back to the inn and keep doing what you were doing later, even months later if you can't play for a while
In EVE, if you quit in the middle of a mission, you'll either fail the mission or you'll have to start over next time, if you don't fuel your POS, they'll go offline, and fueling many POS is time consuming, and forget going on a 2 weeks trip while on vacation. If you're in the middle of a fight and are scrambled, you know that if you log off, you'll most likely lose your ship, and there's many other situations like that where you can't just quit in a few sec. or even in a few mins.
Someone's knocking at the door? "Damn him! He can just go to hell, i'm not leaving my ship alone in the middle of that fight!"
Ohoh, need to go to the bathroom badly? "Damn, if those scamblers could only leave me alone for a few sec so i could warp away..."
A friend's calling? "Sorry, i'll call you back in a few min., i really need to finish updating my stuff for sale on the market, some idiot is keeping undercutting me" or "No time to answer that phone, i'll call back later"
Well, you get the idea, i could go on like this for a while... -----
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Gorthauran
Amarr Throne of Tragedy
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Posted - 2007.08.15 09:23:00 -
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It doesn't matter what the most popular game is...as it's all relative. Personally I choose EVE because of the far superior player mentality over the WOW kids, we have at least 2 years on them easy.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.15 11:42:00 -
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That you have to be smart to play Eve is a myth. That Eve is harsh is also a myth.
I've met 3 year old Eve players who aren't qualified to work in the postal service.
WoW is a game. It is designed to entertain you.
Eve is an OS that runs on top of Windows. It doesn't entertain you, it provides an ENVIRONMENT in which you can do whatever. You could be bored, you could be entertained, its up to you.
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