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Blargle
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:19:00 -
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Scan probing a cloaked ship will not help in the least way.
All the cloaker must do is insure that his ship is moving in any direction.
When you probe the cloaked ship, you will get the position of that ship when the scan ended, even assuming you can get a 0km scan deviation, but the time you have warped to the target his moving ship is no longer where your scan probe said he was..
Yes, he will be CLOSE to you, but that does not help at all since he's INVISIBLE.
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A more appropriate way to handle the cloakers would be something on par with the bombs, or the capital ecm bomb thingy.
Call it whatever you like I feel that a deployable item that will disrupt any cloak within a given range would be of more tactical value and forces players to respond tactically to a cloaker's presense.
This item can be fixed and deployable much like a mobile warp disrupter, or, preferable more like the interdiction sphere.
altho we must consider that a mobile warp disrupter and interdiction sphere already forces a cloaked ship to decloak, perhapse this cloak disrupter would just be redundant.
That being the case another possibility is to introduce a role specific ship or module that gives some sensor bonus allowing you to see a cloaked ship. Perhapse with a percent chance more in line with ecm.
Frankly, forcing the players to use tactics and intelligence to defeat a cloaker will result in higher quality gameplay rather than allowing us to scan probe a ship that will not be where it was by the time you get to it.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 19:13:44
 Originally by: Blargle
Scan probing a cloaked ship will not help in the least way.
All the cloaker must do is insure that his ship is moving in any direction.
Probe him from close by spot less than 1 AU away from him, warp to, scout the area with drones out, preferably with more than 1 person.
If he is not afk he will very well be able to warp out before that happens (could combine it with a bubbledrop though), if he is afk you have a very real possibility to get him though.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:27:00 -
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Also if you probe again, and get a quality hit on an afker, you should be able to get his heading too.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:49:00 -
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Want to kill a cloaked ship? Wait for him to uncloak and come to you.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.08.17 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Want to kill a cloaked ship? Wait for him to uncloak and come to you.
Yes, that summarizes the current screwed up situation very well. 
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ChimeraRouge
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:33:00 -
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cloaks are overpowered and should be able to be scanned down with a special probe/skill just like other ships.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.18 05:16:00 -
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The single important thing to realize here is that there will never be any kind of solution that people won't complain about.
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Hatch
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Posted - 2007.08.18 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hatch on 18/08/2007 07:33:06
just how are cloaks over powered, you can't shoot through them, you can't warp with them, except in two ships that are rather frail, and you can use ew through them. They are good for intel gathering and evading hostile forces when you don't want a fight. just how is this so over powered. and post with your main and receive the critisism for being a whining newb
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.18 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 18/08/2007 09:04:38
They are uncounterable, that makes them overpowered. It does not matter at all what ships with them can or cannot do.
If you could probe them (which doesn't have to and shouldn't be easy) it wouldn't make cloaking ships useless. But you would have to actually invest *gasp* effort to fly them and be careful.
And this is coming from someone whose main spec is into cov ops and recons. 
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Edited by: Aramendel on 17/08/2007 19:13:44
Originally by: Blargle
Scan probing a cloaked ship will not help in the least way.
All the cloaker must do is insure that his ship is moving in any direction.
Probe him from close by spot less than 1 AU away from him, warp to, scout the area with drones out, preferably with more than 1 person.
If he is not afk he will very well be able to warp out before that happens (could combine it with a bubbledrop though), if he is afk you have a very real possibility to get him though.
You can probably get a battleship with an improved cloak this way, as they move slow as all hell when cloaked, but you'll never get a force recon. If you don't uncloak them the second you drop out of warp you'll never get them. You don't know what direction they're moving in.
Also, if he is in a BS or any other ship that can't move 2000m in the time it takes you to warp to him, he has no chance to escape. He will get exactly the same amount of warning a BS ratting in a belt will get that you're coming, he'll never be able to aligh before you get a point on him.
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Hatch
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Posted - 2007.08.18 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hatch on 18/08/2007 15:51:05
Edited by: Hatch on 18/08/2007 15:50:42
Originally by: Aramendel
Edited by: Aramendel on 18/08/2007 09:04:38
They are uncounterable, that makes them overpowered. It does not matter at all what ships with them can or cannot do.
If you could probe them (which doesn't have to and shouldn't be easy) it wouldn't make cloaking ships useless. But you would have to actually invest *gasp* effort to fly them and be careful.
And this is coming from someone whose main spec is into cov ops and recons.
Guess you've never thought creatively, such as using drones to troll for them, or smart bombs to destroy them, or maybe a fast frig to get near them to decloak them... Obviously you've never been hunted while you're cloaked. It is somewhat more than a challange when you can't warp cloaked and your speed is reduced to hardly anything. all i hear is whining about being spied on. So what if he's afk, all you're wanting is an easy gank.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.18 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hatch
Guess you've never thought creatively, such as using drones to troll for them, or smart bombs to destroy them, or maybe a fast frig to get near them to decloak them... Obviously you've never been hunted while you're cloaked. It is somewhat more than a challange when you can't warp cloaked and your speed is reduced to hardly anything.
Been there, done that.
"drones to troll for them"? You probably mean sending drones there and back to try to decloak them?
Smartbombs to kill them = 
You have to be a very braindead pilot for that to happen.
As for the other thing - I managed to evade a 10 person gatecamp with a cloaked t1 indy with only an AB. You just have to be smart where you are flying. The campers did suck thought too
The little detail you miss here however that 24/7 gatecamps to stop someone from getting into a system is nothing even remotely realistic. And camps can be easily avoided with scanning & a scout.
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