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Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:44:00 - [1] My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. uhh hello
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:52:00 - [2] Since all signs point to you actually being under 21, I suggest you go look at everything that was going on, and all the other crud when they started switching the drinking age. Secondly, I suggest you notice how different France is from the US, and how it would be a waste to model any law we have after theirs. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:55:00 - [3] Yeah i agree mainly on the Smoking vs Drinking argument. I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Smoking's just worse then alchohol, and you can smoke at 16 here "still need to be 18 to actually buy though". Maybe if the numbers were reversed... ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:58:00 - [4] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Since all signs point to you actually being under 21, I suggest you go look at everything that was going on, and all the other crud when they started switching the drinking age. Secondly, I suggest you notice how different France is from the US, and how it would be a waste to model any law we have after theirs. Even though they may change the laws that won't happen for years and years to come. The only laws i'm really making an example of is the Drinking age and of course im under the age or else this forum post wouldnt be happening so back to the point. Maybe they should redo it here's my idea anyways for beer and wine and that arrangement should be for 18 but for hard stuff like rum/vodka/scotch/shots should be 21 cause those will F you up. uhh hello
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 19/08/2007 19:01:37 If a minor is spotted in a bar the bartender pays a $50,000 fine plus 1 year of jail. The Bar pays a minimum of $100,000 depending on the severity of the crime and they lose their liquor license. Since cities hand out only a limited amount of liquor licenses bars don't want to risk the loss of one because that could lead to the loss of your client base. When my boss bought the Donnely Club up by McCall in Idaho she dished out $200,000 for the license alone. Needless to say we were reminded almost daily to check ID if you suspect the person isn't of age. Back in the '60's the legal drinking age used to be 18. The US brought it to 21 to reduce alcohol abuse. This is mostly in part that we're surrounded by conservatives. Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. They have the 'private' clubs that you have to sign up for but the liquor that they serve in those clubs have a average lower alcohol content compared to the same product that you can by in any of the other surrounding states. The US is the only country with a ge limit that high. You outta go to china where there is no limit. And I've been ****** up on beer, wine, liquor. You name it, I've done something stupid under it's influence. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich If a minor is spotted in a bar the bartender pays a $50,000 fine plus 1 year of jail. The Bar pays a minimum of $100,000 depending on the severity of the crime and they lose their liquor license. Since cities hand out only a limited amount of liquor licenses bars don't want to risk the loss of one because that could lead to the loss of your client base. When my boss bought the Donnely Club up by McCall in Idaho she dished out $200,000 for the license alone. Needless to say we were reminded almost daily to check ID if you suspect the person isn't of age. Back in the '60's the legal drinking age used to be 18. The US brought it to 21 to reduce alcohol abuse. This is mostly in part that we're surrounded by conservatives. Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. They have the 'private' clubs that you have to sign up for but the liquor that they serve in those clubs have a average lower alcohol content compared to the same product that you can by in any of the other surrounding states. The US is the only country with a ge limit that high. You outta go to china where there is no limit. And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia uhh hello
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. outta those choices i'd go for poland.. pretty ladies : ) uhh hello
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:15:00 - [9] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 19/08/2007 19:15:05 Originally by: DubanFP Yeah i agree mainly on the Smoking vs Drinking argument. I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Smoking's just worse then alchohol, and you can smoke at 16 here "still need to be 18 to actually buy though". Maybe if the numbers were reversed... And yet, I have never gotten into a fight I couldn't possibly win because I've had one fag too many (actually, I don't smoke, but you get the point) Personally, I don't think there should be a minimum age to drink. If you can drink at a really young age (probably find out you don't like it), then by the time you're drinking regularly, you know how to handle it. Also, you don't get the whole "it's forbidden therefore we must get it" thing. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:18:00 - [10] Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:37:00 - [12] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Yes mien fuhrer.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Phiend Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Yes mien fuhrer. n <- See this little guy. He doesn't like it when people forget him. It makes him sad. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:50:00 - [14] Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. damn right. I can get a bottle of bacardi at a gas station. oh and minimal age for drinking here is 16 if I'm not mistaken. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Tenerhaddi Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:35:00 - [17] yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy!
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:50:00 - [18] I thought that law was mostly in place because drinking before your brain has fully developed can stunt it's grown and do irreversible damage, unlike smoking which has a health risk at no matter what age.
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:03:00 - [19] out of the alcohols I know Beer is good for blood pressure and a glass of wine is good for heart doesn't mean you should drink a bottle but it's not all bad.I live near the capital so it's very strict here.and to responce to the gun post I completely agree having some korean kid with no life buying 2 9mm guns shooting over 40-50 people at Virginia Tech(I know someone who was shot at that incident)and not even a US citizen is a bit outrageous now i'm not saying buying or owning a gun is a bad thing if you feel that your safe and protecting your family what i'm saying when buying guns don't overkill it just get a simple pistol keep it safe away from children and stupid teenagers getting high so that means guys don't buy the freaking $7000 50. cal sniper rifle theres no point. back to original topic We all know the U.S. goverment started the mafia in the U.S. when they banned Alcohol. and a FYI to people who don't know mafia has been here during roman times in sicily. plus all I gotta say is alcohol has been here when egyptians were building pyramids so basicly WTF. uhh hello
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. where did you hear that? almost every gas station i go here sells beer...lots of it forum warrior in training ya cant stop the rokh
Kalor Bayloch Anqara Industries	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:13:00 - [21] On a purely intellectual level, this is annoying, since at the age of 18 a (male citizen) can get drafted into the military, fight in a war and DIE, but not drink booze. An 18 year old can also vote to determine who the next president is, but again, no drinky. However, on a pragmatic level, drunk driving kills a lot of (disproportionately young)people. That's just one example off the top of my head, I'm sure there's research that shows other reasons. So it comes to a balance of what's "fair" and what "works" I suppose. as a side note, I'm over 21. I think I'll go get a beer.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain.
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:21:00 - [23] Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol uhh hello
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. ** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? Originally by:** CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol uhh hello
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol Heh, the British and Irish have more in common than the Irish are willing to admit --------
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. In Connecticut it was legal for a minor to drink provided it was provided by someone of age, on private property, and they didn't drive drunk. Of course a bunch of idiots went out calling it a "loophole" and sought to get it changed. I think it didn't get very far, but i'm not sure. Pretty recent too. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Phiend on 19/08/2007 22:02:01 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. Here ya go: Alabama Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Alaska Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Arizona Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol Arkansas Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting California Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Colorado Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Connecticut Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. D.C. Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Delaware Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Florida Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Georgia Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Hawaii Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Idaho Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Indiana Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Illinois Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Iowa Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Kansas Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Kentucky Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Louisiana Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married OR if spouse or guardian is present. Maine Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Maryland Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Massachusetts Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Michigan Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Minnesota Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Mississippi Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Missouri Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Montana Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Nebraska Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Nevada Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Jersey Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. New Hampshire Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Mexico Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New York Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. North Carolina Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. North Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Ohio Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Oklahoma Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Oregon Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Pennsylvania Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Rhode Island Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Carolina Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Tennessee Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Texas Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Utah Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Vermont Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Washington Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. West Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Wisconsin Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Wyoming Under 21 may consume alcohol in private s
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:03:00 - [29]
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it. WIN! with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. also, the illegality of drinking under 21 only creates bigger demand and more peer pressure. Its like weed in the netherlands: everyone tries it at 14. yes 14. and by the time your 16 its juvenile, sad, and a filthy habit (even more so than smoking). It's illegality that makes it hip people. Make it legal and suddenly you will find yourself ridiculed by your peers for being such a **. The thing is that people in the states dont drink, they hit 15 shots of vodka. WTF? there aint no moderation: because by the time you can enter a bar and order a drink you're so raring to go.... ** happens. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."

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