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Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:44:00 - [1] My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. uhh hello
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:52:00 - [2] Since all signs point to you actually being under 21, I suggest you go look at everything that was going on, and all the other crud when they started switching the drinking age. Secondly, I suggest you notice how different France is from the US, and how it would be a waste to model any law we have after theirs. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:55:00 - [3] Yeah i agree mainly on the Smoking vs Drinking argument. I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Smoking's just worse then alchohol, and you can smoke at 16 here "still need to be 18 to actually buy though". Maybe if the numbers were reversed... ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:58:00 - [4] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Since all signs point to you actually being under 21, I suggest you go look at everything that was going on, and all the other crud when they started switching the drinking age. Secondly, I suggest you notice how different France is from the US, and how it would be a waste to model any law we have after theirs. Even though they may change the laws that won't happen for years and years to come. The only laws i'm really making an example of is the Drinking age and of course im under the age or else this forum post wouldnt be happening so back to the point. Maybe they should redo it here's my idea anyways for beer and wine and that arrangement should be for 18 but for hard stuff like rum/vodka/scotch/shots should be 21 cause those will F you up. uhh hello
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 19/08/2007 19:01:37 If a minor is spotted in a bar the bartender pays a $50,000 fine plus 1 year of jail. The Bar pays a minimum of $100,000 depending on the severity of the crime and they lose their liquor license. Since cities hand out only a limited amount of liquor licenses bars don't want to risk the loss of one because that could lead to the loss of your client base. When my boss bought the Donnely Club up by McCall in Idaho she dished out $200,000 for the license alone. Needless to say we were reminded almost daily to check ID if you suspect the person isn't of age. Back in the '60's the legal drinking age used to be 18. The US brought it to 21 to reduce alcohol abuse. This is mostly in part that we're surrounded by conservatives. Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. They have the 'private' clubs that you have to sign up for but the liquor that they serve in those clubs have a average lower alcohol content compared to the same product that you can by in any of the other surrounding states. The US is the only country with a ge limit that high. You outta go to china where there is no limit. And I've been ****** up on beer, wine, liquor. You name it, I've done something stupid under it's influence. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich If a minor is spotted in a bar the bartender pays a $50,000 fine plus 1 year of jail. The Bar pays a minimum of $100,000 depending on the severity of the crime and they lose their liquor license. Since cities hand out only a limited amount of liquor licenses bars don't want to risk the loss of one because that could lead to the loss of your client base. When my boss bought the Donnely Club up by McCall in Idaho she dished out $200,000 for the license alone. Needless to say we were reminded almost daily to check ID if you suspect the person isn't of age. Back in the '60's the legal drinking age used to be 18. The US brought it to 21 to reduce alcohol abuse. This is mostly in part that we're surrounded by conservatives. Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. They have the 'private' clubs that you have to sign up for but the liquor that they serve in those clubs have a average lower alcohol content compared to the same product that you can by in any of the other surrounding states. The US is the only country with a ge limit that high. You outta go to china where there is no limit. And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia uhh hello
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. outta those choices i'd go for poland.. pretty ladies : ) uhh hello
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:15:00 - [9] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 19/08/2007 19:15:05 Originally by: DubanFP Yeah i agree mainly on the Smoking vs Drinking argument. I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Smoking's just worse then alchohol, and you can smoke at 16 here "still need to be 18 to actually buy though". Maybe if the numbers were reversed... And yet, I have never gotten into a fight I couldn't possibly win because I've had one fag too many (actually, I don't smoke, but you get the point) Personally, I don't think there should be a minimum age to drink. If you can drink at a really young age (probably find out you don't like it), then by the time you're drinking regularly, you know how to handle it. Also, you don't get the whole "it's forbidden therefore we must get it" thing. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:18:00 - [10] Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:37:00 - [12] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Yes mien fuhrer.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Phiend Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. Also, despite popular belief "alot" is not a word. Yes mien fuhrer. n <- See this little guy. He doesn't like it when people forget him. It makes him sad. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:50:00 - [14] Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses. Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam. damn right. I can get a bottle of bacardi at a gas station. oh and minimal age for drinking here is 16 if I'm not mistaken. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Tenerhaddi Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:35:00 - [17] yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy!
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:50:00 - [18] I thought that law was mostly in place because drinking before your brain has fully developed can stunt it's grown and do irreversible damage, unlike smoking which has a health risk at no matter what age.
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:03:00 - [19] out of the alcohols I know Beer is good for blood pressure and a glass of wine is good for heart doesn't mean you should drink a bottle but it's not all bad.I live near the capital so it's very strict here.and to responce to the gun post I completely agree having some korean kid with no life buying 2 9mm guns shooting over 40-50 people at Virginia Tech(I know someone who was shot at that incident)and not even a US citizen is a bit outrageous now i'm not saying buying or owning a gun is a bad thing if you feel that your safe and protecting your family what i'm saying when buying guns don't overkill it just get a simple pistol keep it safe away from children and stupid teenagers getting high so that means guys don't buy the freaking $7000 50. cal sniper rifle theres no point. back to original topic We all know the U.S. goverment started the mafia in the U.S. when they banned Alcohol. and a FYI to people who don't know mafia has been here during roman times in sicily. plus all I gotta say is alcohol has been here when egyptians were building pyramids so basicly WTF. uhh hello
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. where did you hear that? almost every gas station i go here sells beer...lots of it forum warrior in training ya cant stop the rokh
Kalor Bayloch Anqara Industries	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:13:00 - [21] On a purely intellectual level, this is annoying, since at the age of 18 a (male citizen) can get drafted into the military, fight in a war and DIE, but not drink booze. An 18 year old can also vote to determine who the next president is, but again, no drinky. However, on a pragmatic level, drunk driving kills a lot of (disproportionately young)people. That's just one example off the top of my head, I'm sure there's research that shows other reasons. So it comes to a balance of what's "fair" and what "works" I suppose. as a side note, I'm over 21. I think I'll go get a beer.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain.
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:21:00 - [23] Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol uhh hello
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. ** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? Originally by:** CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol uhh hello
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol Heh, the British and Irish have more in common than the Irish are willing to admit --------
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. In Connecticut it was legal for a minor to drink provided it was provided by someone of age, on private property, and they didn't drive drunk. Of course a bunch of idiots went out calling it a "loophole" and sought to get it changed. I think it didn't get very far, but i'm not sure. Pretty recent too. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Phiend on 19/08/2007 22:02:01 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Phiend Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol. However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession. But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that. Please enlighten us and name some of these states. Here ya go: Alabama Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Alaska Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Arizona Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol Arkansas Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting California Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Colorado Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Connecticut Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. D.C. Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Delaware Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Florida Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Georgia Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Hawaii Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Idaho Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Indiana Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Illinois Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Iowa Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Kansas Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Kentucky Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Louisiana Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married OR if spouse or guardian is present. Maine Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Maryland Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Massachusetts Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Michigan Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Minnesota Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Mississippi Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Missouri Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Montana Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Nebraska Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Nevada Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Jersey Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. New Hampshire Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Mexico Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New York Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. North Carolina Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. North Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Ohio Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Oklahoma Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Oregon Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Pennsylvania Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Rhode Island Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Carolina Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Tennessee Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Texas Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Utah Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Vermont Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Washington Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. West Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Wisconsin Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Wyoming Under 21 may consume alcohol in private s
Phiend	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:03:00 - [29]
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it. WIN! with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. also, the illegality of drinking under 21 only creates bigger demand and more peer pressure. Its like weed in the netherlands: everyone tries it at 14. yes 14. and by the time your 16 its juvenile, sad, and a filthy habit (even more so than smoking). It's illegality that makes it hip people. Make it legal and suddenly you will find yourself ridiculed by your peers for being such a **. The thing is that people in the states dont drink, they hit 15 shots of vodka. WTF? there aint no moderation: because by the time you can enter a bar and order a drink you're so raring to go.... ** happens. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it. WIN! with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. also, the illegality of drinking under 21 only creates bigger demand and more peer pressure. Its like weed in the netherlands: everyone tries it at 14. yes 14. and by the time your 16 its juvenile, sad, and a filthy habit (even more so than smoking). It's illegality that makes it hip people. Make it legal and suddenly you will find yourself ridiculed by your peers for being such a **. The thing is that people in the states dont drink, they hit 15 shots of vodka. WTF? there aint no moderation: because by the time you can enter a bar and order a drink you're so raring to go.... ** happens. I'm not so sure that mentality would exist in the US if the drinking laws were changed. The Netherlands like Italy, France and a few others have a different cultural mentality to drinking. If you go out in Italy, in general it is not the done thing to get rollicking drunk, especially if you are female. The US like here in Australia doesn't have that mentality, so changing the law would not result in more responsible drinking. For some reason drinking isn't seen as a drug on par with other 'hard' drugs. Don't ask me why. IMO drinking is probably the biggest problem most societies face. Not for the drunk driving, or alcohol fueled stupidity, but because the great percentage of people these days can't exist without drinking every day. The great 'Soma' Huxley talked about is alcohol.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. ** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol Im not on about living off them, im on about giving them the money for the booze and them buying it, cause from the looks of your post your angry cause you can't buy booze yourself... Originally by:** CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol Im not on about living off them, im on about giving them the money for the booze and them buying it, cause from the looks of your post your angry cause you can't buy booze yourself... not angry at all just seeing what other people feel about I just think it should be altered or changed completely but hey thats me and my personal opinion uhh hello
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:56:00 - [34] The drinking age of 21 is one of the numerous absurdities in american law, yeah. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Red Gabba JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:03:00 - [35] If your considered a adult at the age of 18 then you should be free to choose if you want to drink, smoke, and other stuff. Despite that though, i really don't see lowering the age making any difference. kids are drinking long before the age of 18 anyway JuBa Corp
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:31:00 - [36] Quote: Here ya go: Alabama Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Alaska Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Arizona Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol Arkansas Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting California Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Colorado Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Connecticut Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. D.C. Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Delaware Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Florida Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Georgia Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Hawaii Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Idaho Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Indiana Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Illinois Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Iowa Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Kansas Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Kentucky Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Louisiana Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married OR if spouse or guardian is present. Maine Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Maryland Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Massachusetts Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Michigan Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Minnesota Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Mississippi Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Missouri Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Montana Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Nebraska Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Nevada Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Jersey Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. New Hampshire Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Mexico Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New York Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. North Carolina Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. North Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Ohio Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Oklahoma Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Oregon Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Pennsylvania Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Rhode Island Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Carolina Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Tennessee Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Texas Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Utah Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Vermont Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Washington Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. West Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Wisconsin Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Wyoming Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. wha? where do you find such things?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:41:00 - [37] I don't think it's that people want the law like that, as much as it is that no politician wants to be the one who steps up and changes it. I mean they would have little to nothing to gain from it, and they might lose conservative votes. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.08.20 00:10:00 - [38] Its not really an age question, more a cultural thing.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.20 00:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Locus Bey The Netherlands like Italy, France and a few others have a different cultural mentality to drinking. This is a big thing. The US is not Europe. There are many differences between the two. If we changed this one law back, it would not suddenly stop problems at all. There are a few things you can't really get until you're 25 too. So no one worries about them. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.20 01:20:00 - [40] No but the US is pretty similar to canada (sort of) and it's 19 here. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 02:12:00 - [41] Any set age restriction is dumb. You don't magically gain the ability to drink responsibly at 21. Plus, setting an age limit means teenagers who want to drink a lot as an act of rebellion. The way the US congress went about it may be a violation of the constitution's commerce clause. Congress can't directly impose a nation-wide drinking age because it's a state right, but they said they'll withhold highway funds to states that don't have a minimum drinking age of 21. South Dakota brought the matter before the supreme court and lost, but this may be because they argued their case wrong. See: http://lawschool.mikeshecket.com/constitutionallaw/1-29-04.htm I think it could easily go the other way if any state had the guts to try again. More generally, slapping an age restriction on anything only makes sense when thinking about large populations. You don't gain the ability to smoke responsibly at 18. It's just an average age (or more likely, a wild guess at an average age) where people are smart enough to decide to smoke or not. Why is there an age limitation on driving at all? We already have driving tests. If a 12 year old can prove that they have the ability and responsibility to drive, why not let them? If the tests are passing people who aren't responsible (which they do all the time), then fix that. But why have an age restriction on top of it?
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 02:22:00 - [42] Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 Smoking, alcohol consumption and sexual maturity should all be atleast 25 legally in my opinion. None of them should put in the hands of the inexperienced and foolhearty youth we have today; and I'm saying this as a 22 y/o University student. Its long since pasted the point where people should be given limitless freedoms to do with themselves what they wish. It is in the interest of the state to make illegal the consumption of that which can be classified as a poison/toxin to oneself, not just for the ease it would put on the healthcare system, but also because a citizen is far more productive and prolific when they are healthy. At this point people will begin to question how exactly sexual intercourse is poisonous/toxic; my arguement for this is that you're right, there is no ill side-effects to sex short of the social burden that the inevitible offspring bring about. 25 years of age is a good age for people to start being parents, they will have matured to the point that they understand the consequences to their actions as well as having a (semi)stable finacial base to start a family. These are things that an 18 year old (or younger) simply do not possess. It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it.
Reiisha Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:27:00 - [43] Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... EVE History Wiki
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol Heh, the British and Irish have more in common than the Irish are willing to admit You shut your ***** mouth. The only thing we Gaelic peoples share with the Britons are several degrees of latitude and weather patterns. And a deep love of beer. And EVE. And a parliamentary government. This proves nothing.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... Its good to hear that there are other like-minded people out there; I was beginning to think I was alone.
Battleclash	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Battleclash on 20/08/2007 04:05:00 Drinking is overrated anyways.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... Its good to hear that there are other like-minded people out there; I was beginning to think I was alone. I used to be a raging alcoholic, especially in my bartending years but I gave that up about 5 years back and got into a great future. I still smoke and am unsuccesfully trying to quit. Wish I had never started as I don't enjoy coughing up a lung each morning or not being able to run more than 10ft while playing paintball. I do however enjoy the friskey although I am careful as hell about it. I will never do a one night stand or have sex on a first date. Personally I like the idea of being STD and child free (for the time being). Either way I could care less about what age you can drink at because IMO even if it's 18 there will still be kids breaking the law. I mean I had 18 year olds buying me packs of smokes which made them feel like the cool kids so of course they're gonna buy alcohol for the youngn's. Most guys in their mid 20's do the same now but they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think). The only real fight you'll have for reducing the age limit in the US is against M.A.D.D. cause they will fight it tooth and nail. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:13:00 - [48] Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:24:00 - [49] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. For starters, I just admitted I used to be a raging alcoholic. I didn't start drinking until I was 21 and I almost stopped at my first drink until my drunken friend showed me the art of drinking (on the roof of our house no less). I then spent the next 4 years drunk everyday from the moment I got up until the moment I passed out. This included being drunk at work. And I didn't include the entire age group into that bracket. I know better than that. I know from experience of bartending though that most of the older drunks started at a pretty young age. I opened the bar at 7am in the morning and more than once did I have customers waiting for me when I showed up. And I cannot say how many parties I've been to, mostly in the scummier parts of the city, where I show up and see 30 year old males and 15 year old females. Most of the time I just turned around and walked right back out. With anything you have the good people and you have the bad people, which do you think gets noticed more? ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. For starters, I just admitted I used to be a raging alcoholic. I didn't start drinking until I was 21 and I almost stopped at my first drink until my drunken friend showed me the art of drinking (on the roof of our house no less). I then spent the next 4 years drunk everyday from the moment I got up until the moment I passed out. This included being drunk at work. And I didn't include the entire age group into that bracket. I know better than that. I know from experience of bartending though that most of the older drunks started at a pretty young age. I opened the bar at 7am in the morning and more than once did I have customers waiting for me when I showed up. And I cannot say how many parties I've been to, mostly in the scummier parts of the city, where I show up and see 30 year old males and 15 year old females. Most of the time I just turned around and walked right back out. With anything you have the good people and you have the bad people, which do you think gets noticed more? true, but most of my comments especially Originally by: Dubanf I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. Were directed at previous comments more. Particularly the guy who wants to raise the age to 25. The 17 year old chick thing was the only part that was really directed at you, and yeah i'm still a bit disturbed by how you think everyone is up to this kind of stuff. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:39:00 - [51] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. You've confused me with Michael, so I'll reply as if you replied to me. I may have never gotten drunk in my life, but I've been close friends with those who have. They would drink until they passed out, go stumbling for the bathroom in the middle of the night, miss their target, then wobble around the next morning and whine about how much their head hurt. Guess what they wanted to do the night after this? Drink some more. I personally drew the line when they hatched this wonderful little plan to get a girl from work drunk to see some *******. I am not a user of people, and I refuse to make company with such people. Thankfully, she got wise and decided that she better go home, but jesus if I was anything but friendly with my two friends after that crap. There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. There is a reason it hurts after you drink alcohol; your body is attempting to purge a poison from your system. Would you drink bleach if it gave you a buzz? made you feel good? How about turpentine (I hope I spelt that right)? There is only one reason why people need these escapist substances, and thats weakness. They simply refuse to do without, and like all selfish people, will regret their decisions at the end of their lives.
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:54:00 - [53] The reason for the the drinking age being 21 is because kids are too stupid to know that drinking and driving is a bad idea. Raising the age had an enormous effect on road safty. Its inappropriate to compare us to Europe because less people drive and in many countries driving is taken more seriously. Licenses are generally harder to get and easier to lose. That said I don't think its right to punish the majority for the ignorance of a minority. They should of increased penalties instead of coercing the states into raising the age. Originally by: Cornucopian with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. In Texas (generally the most liberal with gun laws) you can buy a bolt-action rifle or shotgun at 18. That is all. You need to be 21 to buy a semi-auto rifle or pistol. If by "automatic glock" you mean the full-auto Glock 18, then no, you can't buy one at 18. Not even at 21. Buying automatics requires special permits that are expensive to get and then the guns themselves are very expensive. HK hasn't released the MP7 into the civilian market. You absolutly cannot buy explosive anti-material rounds....I'm sure there is a permit that allows it, but I've never even heard of anyone having them. ------
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:54:00 - [54] Oh yes, I love hanging around friends when we were like "yeah, we had so much fun at that bar. Too bad we can't remember most of it" And oh how many times I threw up in the downtown Denny's bathroom to the point I got banned from the place. Or mocking the guy that ****ed his pants after he passed out because he couldn't even wake up to get into the restroom. Not to mention the numerous items of value we smashed because it seemed funny at the time. Setting our front porch on fire at 3am because we thought a BBQ would be a grand idea. Playing William Tell with a compound bow... I do remember one time that was really amusing. it was about 9 in the morning and 3 of us were already on our 4th 20 pack of cheap beer and we wanted to watch some mtv music video's while we hung out so we started switching channels and lo and behold the teletubbies came on. Talk about mesmerization. One friends GF later told us that we watched about 3 hours of that show like little kids. Most of my ideals are more of a extreme case since there are varying degrees of stupidity. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time. You can drink water and relax, there is no reason to drink alcohol other than the intoxication aspect of it. Your particular situation is due a habit. You drink because you think that the alcohol itself is bringing relaxation, but rather the act of drinking brings about this feeling. Its the same reason people go to bars; they could consume alcohol at home, but they want to consume it around others. People see it as a socialization medium.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius The reason for the the drinking age being 21 is because kids are too stupid to know that drinking and driving is a bad idea. Raising the age had an enormous effect on road safty. Its inappropriate to compare us to Europe because less people drive and in many countries driving is taken more seriously. Licenses are generally harder to get and easier to lose. That is true. Before I met one of my friends 15 years ago, he had lost his father to a DUI accident. The whole family was headed up north for a trip when a 3 time DUI offender smashed into their car. His father died, his mother has had pins even to this day and still carries a limp, but him and his sister came out ok. The drunken driver was later charged with vehicular manslaughter I think. Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius You absolutly cannot buy explosive anti-material rounds....I'm sure there is a permit that allows it, but I've never even heard of anyone having them. And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. God Bless America... I've just made a mental note to move to Europe when I graduate, they seem slightly less crazy over there...
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. There are loopholes in the laws. You can still buy illegal armour piercing ammo.....as long as the ammo was produced prior to 1986 when it was banned. There's also issues with enforcment. I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the specific ammo he mentioned isn't available in the US civilian market. ------
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. There are loopholes in the laws. You can still buy illegal armour piercing ammo.....as long as the ammo was produced prior to 1986 when it was banned. There's also issues with enforcment. I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the specific ammo he mentioned isn't available in the US civilian market. That is true. I know I can buy a drum for my AK but it has to be from a certain year since they were banned afterwards. Not that I would though, since the damn things take 40 minutes to load and about 2 minutes to unload. I'll stick to 30 round magazines and stripper clips. As for alot of stuff the guy mention it is viable but you need a class 3 license and when you get one of those you end up on the FBI's watchlist so his argument isn't really viable when comparing it to drinking. If the FBI watched alcohol consumers they'd have a hell of a job on their hands. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 Smoking, alcohol consumption and sexual maturity should all be atleast 25 legally in my opinion. None of them should put in the hands of the inexperienced and foolhearty youth we have today; and I'm saying this as a 22 y/o University student. Its long since pasted the point where people should be given limitless freedoms to do with themselves what they wish. It is in the interest of the state to make illegal the consumption of that which can be classified as a poison/toxin to oneself, not just for the ease it would put on the healthcare system, but also because a citizen is far more productive and prolific when they are healthy. At this point people will begin to question how exactly sexual intercourse is poisonous/toxic; my arguement for this is that you're right, there is no ill side-effects to sex short of the social burden that the inevitible offspring bring about. 25 years of age is a good age for people to start being parents, they will have matured to the point that they understand the consequences to their actions as well as having a (semi)stable finacial base to start a family. These are things that an 18 year old (or younger) simply do not possess. It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. flamebait..... DO NOT FEED. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. God Bless America... I've just made a mental note to move to Europe when I graduate, they seem slightly less crazy over there... dude, after reading your posts I will state this: stay the **** away from europe because ill be waiting at the airport in a drunken stupor to throw up on you. you sanctimonious little religious freak. the art of wine, whisky and 'class' spirits are extremely high quality procsesses, which create taste that can make any coinnisseur almost shed tears in contemplation. A fine piece of cheese, with a big fat bubble of red wine (preferrably a Shiraz) is a gourmets 'bag of crisps'. If you believe the whole 'my body is a temple' crap then enjoy eating soja derivatives the rest of your life. you sad sad person. (I realize that I just broke my last post telling NOT to react to this troll, but WTF!! just couldnt leave it alone.) ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Ragnarohk Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:51:00 - [62] Edited by: Ragnarohk on 20/08/2007 11:55:36 Edited by: Ragnarohk on 20/08/2007 11:53:59 Well this thread long careered off the path of polite debate and erupted into a thermonuclear explosion when someone suggested free will should be eradicated. Originally by: Derovius Vaden Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. Free will has allowed our species to flourish from its starting point. Many people want it easy, yes, but complete mind tyranny is simply a return to the Dark Ages. How much progress did humanity make in that period? Zilch. Personally I'm of the opinion all substances should be taxed and regulated, coupled with extreme punishments for misuse. Alcohol can be used like food, which tastes nice, or a movie, which you watch to enjoy. For entertainment, fun and general enjoyment. I know a lot of people drink to "get ****ed/wasted" but you'll get those in any age group. Harsh punishments will deter their drunken antics affecting anyone else. Honestly, I don't care WHAT you do in your home, it's your freedom, as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's. Recently I turned 18 meaning it's now legal for me to purchase alcohol in stores, however I have drunk plenty before as I have a lot older friends and we've generally been allowed to do what we want collectively since the age of 13 or so. However, I have seen a (tragic) shift in people when they reach the legal age of drinking enough times. From frustrated and mesmerised by this alcohol they're not allowed to have but everyone taunts them with. (Adults do it, adverts do it, it all shows off, "LOOK HOW GOOD THIS IS, O YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY, LOLLERCAKES", through rogue glamourisation.) So they end up wasting their money and self down in a bar or pub every night, because they never had any experience. It wouldn't be any different if you raised the drinking age, the same thing will happen. Some people are responsible, some aren't, and the ratios don't change all that much. How much personal debt are western adults often in nowadays? This is the height of irresponsibility. They must KNOW they'll struggle significantly trying to pay it back, and often it's simply a luxury item they borrow for. This is fundamentally irresponsible in an older adult and a severe lack of self discipline, as well as pure abuse if you have to support children whom rely on the income for clothing / healthy food / miscellaneous items. In the end, I do think 21 is excessive, adding greatly to the rebel aspect of the alcohol. Do you honestly think 3 extra trips around the sun will fundamentally impact the nature of drinking? Especially when you know a continent just across the water has much more relaxed laws and seems to have less of a general problem? If it was instituted to combat drink drivers, well, toughen your tests. From an American corp-mate I heard you don't even have to go on the open road to do your test or any lessons what so ever, in case of suing. What insanity! If you chuck out pupils with 0 road experience, bad things will always happen. I'm unsure how valid this is, of course, since it's based entirely on hearsay. Raising the drinking age simply aggravates anyone, excluding grumpy bar goers who want to keep late-teens out of their favourite hangout. So I say, lower it, it'll help in the long run. We're (The British) are often mocked for being prudish and reserved, but some topics in the US, are just so taboo to the extreme, for a nation that founded itself on free will and exploration... -Rag
Acushla	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:55:00 - [63] Edited by: Acushla on 20/08/2007 11:55:03 Stop network flinch. Ignore.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Oh yes, I love hanging around friends when we were like "yeah, we had so much fun at that bar. Too bad we can't remember most of it" And oh how many times I threw up in the downtown Denny's bathroom to the point I got banned from the place. Or mocking the guy that **ed his pants after he passed out because he couldn't even wake up to get into the restroom. Not to mention the numerous items of value we smashed because it seemed funny at the time. Setting our front porch on fire at 3am because we thought a BBQ would be a grand idea. Playing William Tell with a compound bow... I do remember one time that was really amusing. it was about 9 in the morning and 3 of us were already on our 4th 20 pack of cheap beer and we wanted to watch some mtv music video's while we hung out so we started switching channels and lo and behold the teletubbies came on. Talk about mesmerization. One friends GF later told us that we watched about 3 hours of that show like little kids. Most of my ideals are more of a extreme case since there are varying degrees of stupidity. Sounds like good times Originally by:** CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Most guys do the same now but they've generally got the secret master plan to get some chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think). Technically, if i'm drunk to then we're both taking advantage of each other... Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Big Al The Aftermath Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:26:00 - [66] If you can die for your country you should be able to drink. The crappy thing is, the only people that really enforce the drinking age with any sort of decent penalty is the military :\
Tenerhaddi Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol Heh, the British and Irish have more in common than the Irish are willing to admit we can drink alot but the Behavor with teens is crap! I can drink upto 12 Irish car bombs before i crash out. I can out drink americans easy and other places that have tighter laws. Americans are annoying when they drink and get worse and want to fight everyone i found. Lucky i got into no bar fights tho for there sake :). Tho in UK just as bad we get very aggrssive but most of it young people who cant handle there drinks! Most of all late teens and early 20's http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:50:00 - [68] i'm old enough to do whatever i like (except retire, or ride the bus for free) so i'm obviously slipping into the old fogey category, but i still think all that age-restricted stuff should be legalised at 21; then the whole 'coming of age' bollox would actually mean something. driving, smoking, drinking, sex, marrige etc. twenty one. all of them. restricted provisional licenses available at 18, with a compulsory re-test within a year of turning 21. sometimes transport is a necessity, given how crappy public transport is. I've actually given this some thought :/
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:07:00 - [69] well sex should not be age restricted at all it's really based on if you think it's right or wrong of course 13 14 year olds having sex I find a bit disturbing but sex is really to be determined if the two partners are ready so age restriction on sex is just dumb. uhh hello
Tenerhaddi Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:42:00 - [70] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns well sex should not be age restricted at all it's really based on if you think it's right or wrong of course 13 14 year olds having sex I find a bit disturbing but sex is really to be determined if the two partners are ready so age restriction on sex is just dumb. age mainly for pedo more than anything http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time. You can drink water and relax, there is no reason to drink alcohol other than the intoxication aspect of it. Your particular situation is due a habit. I can quit any time I want. Lots of people say that, but I prove it by actually doing it. Once a year, I go completely sober for one month. I had no cravings or other withdrawal symptoms during this time. Last time I did it was about 6 months ago. Then it's back to 1-2 per night. Quote: You drink because you think that the alcohol itself is bringing relaxation, but rather the act of drinking brings about this feeling. Alcohol has a direct, chemical reaction with your brain to cause a euphoric feeling. It's not comparable to water at all. Moderate drinking habits (not binge drinking) also have proven health benefits for heart disease and cancer.
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:50:00 - [72] the UK needs to raise the drinking limit to 21 smoking limit to 18 yes smoking kills you, have too much in one day and u feel crap, have too much alcahol and you can get seriously hurt, taked advantage of, and many worse things. Alcahol needs to be made less accessable. Drug punnishment needs to be massivly increased Law needs to be tightened up thats my opinion and yes i drink (like 95% of my worse mistakes been under that state) and yes i smoke, started too young and now cant stop. so i have the perfect view point and only judge myself, i have however never toughed illigal drugs and never want to.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:57:00 - [73] Originally by: Xtreem the UK needs to raise the drinking limit to 21 smoking limit to 18 The smoking limit is changing to 18 in october. As for increasing the drinking limit, HELL NO. Going through Sixth form and uni without being able to go get hammered and have fun, i think not. Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:10:00 - [74] I don't get it why you have\ to be 21 to drink in the US.. anyway most people who drink all the time are ******s.. and drinking can turn into a mental addiction tho. becuase you have to look cool these days.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:40:00 - [75] /signed with the OP If you can die for your country, damn, you should be able to drink for it.
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Sakura Nihil /signed with the OP If you can die for your country, damn, you should be able to drink for it. that is indeed true, for example iv always thought it weird that you can have full sex, and everything inbetween at the age of 16 in the uk, yes you cant buy a mag or a film that shows other people doing it till your 18 :) reverse logic ftw
First Stotherd Caldari modro	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time. You can drink water and relax, there is no reason to drink alcohol other than the intoxication aspect of it. Your particular situation is due a habit. I can quit any time I want. Lots of people say that, but I prove it by actually doing it. Once a year, I go completely sober for one month. I had no cravings or other withdrawal symptoms during this time. Last time I did it was about 6 months ago. Then it's back to 1-2 per night. Quote: You drink because you think that the alcohol itself is bringing relaxation, but rather the act of drinking brings about this feeling. Alcohol has a direct, chemical reaction with your brain to cause a euphoric feeling. It's not comparable to water at all. Moderate drinking habits (not binge drinking) also have proven health benefits for heart disease and cancer. Not everyone is like you, hence the huge increase in binge drinking. You may be able to quit anytime you want, but I know people who'll get almost like a nicotine craving if they haven't been out drinking in the past week. And most of the people I know below 21 who drink, aim to get drunk.
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:31:00 - [78] Originally by: Locus Bey For some reason drinking isn't seen as a drug on par with other 'hard' drugs. Don't ask me why. IMO drinking is probably the biggest problem most societies face. Not for the drunk driving, or alcohol fueled stupidity, but because the great percentage of people these days can't exist without drinking every day. The great 'Soma' Huxley talked about is alcohol. I fully agree. My gf and me just broke up after 7 years of being together, and she is an alcoholic. Leaving personal 'demons' and tons of reasons why someone has an alcohol problem out of it for now, I have experienced first hand how bad it can get, and that as the person close to an alcoholic you feel utterly helpless in a situation like I was in. Long story short, I had no choice but to end the relationship to keep my sanity. In my opinion, alcohol is in deed (next to nicotine) the worst drug out there, because it's legally available and advertised for. __________ People with signatures own ...
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:41:00 - [79] Yaknow if by some miracle I actually have kids and I catch them smoking in their teens, I won't stop em. I'll just tell em to talk to me in 10 years and tell me how they still feel about smoking. And if they tell me that their not addicted to smoking I'll point out how cute they sound when they say that. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:50:00 - [80] AMERICANS... DEE DEE DEE DEE EUROPEANS... DOO DOO DOO DOO
Tenerhaddi Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:13:00 - [81] Originally by: Sakura Nihil /signed with the OP If you can die for your country, damn, you should be able to drink for it. tho two are total different things! You basicly working! Doing a duty. Drinking is something personal. Yet young people CANT handle there drinks! Better to die in honour than Die as a drunken bum. In the US i seen so many drink driving and I hear few of EVE player died because drunk drivers hitting them head on!! In UK getting bad but i hardly see it that's the difference! http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Krulla Minmatar True Centii	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 Smoking, alcohol consumption and sexual maturity should all be atleast 25 legally in my opinion. None of them should put in the hands of the inexperienced and foolhearty youth we have today; and I'm saying this as a 22 y/o University student. ....what? Originally by: Derovius Vaden At this point people will begin to question how exactly sexual intercourse is poisonous/toxic; my arguement for this is that you're right, there is no ill side-effects to sex short of the social burden that the inevitible offspring bring about. 25 years of age is a good age for people to start being parents, they will have matured to the point that they understand the consequences to their actions as well as having a (semi)stable finacial base to start a family. These are things that an 18 year old (or younger) simply do not possess. Eeeeh. I'm 18. I have a girlfriend, and we have sex. Quite a lot of it. However, we practice safe sex. The chances of us having a kid at this point are miniscule. Every single one of my friends who is in a relationship practices safe sex. People don't have sex to have kids, people have sex because it's bloody fun, and to express they're love for another. Originally by: Derovius Vaden It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. I agree. Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. I agree. I drink from time to time. I've never ever done anything I regret while drunk. Why? I practice moderation. Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd.
Lord BlackSter Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:47:00 - [83] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol We germans are the best drinker + have the Oktoberfest - try to beat that
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:48:00 - [84] Originally by: Krulla Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. No, they can't. The number of drunk driving incidents proves it. However, just having a drinking age that high causes a lot of problems. Teenagers are rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. Telling them they can't drink is actually encouraging them to do it when authority figures aren't looking. There's a more general problem of personal responsibility. It affects a good chunk of Americans of nearly every age group except maybe the oldest generation. Fix that and get rid of these pointless age limitations.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:53:00 - [85] Originally by: Krulla ....what? ....who? Quote: Eeeeh. Aaaah? Quote: I'm 18. I have a girlfriend, and we have sex. Quite a lot of it. However, we practice safe sex. The chances of us having a kid at this point are miniscule. Every single one of my friends who is in a relationship practices safe sex. I only takes one mistake for all this careful planning to get thrown out the window. Where the rubber rips, or you forget because you're tired, you will regret going at it like rabbits so young. Quote: People don't have sex to have kids, people have sex because it's bloody fun, and to express they're love for another. No one is saying that you can't have fun making kids, but sex for pleasure alone is kind of futile. As well, you'd find your girl a fair bit more gushy if you used more than just sex to express your love for her. Quote: I agree. Good. Quote: I agree. Good x2. Quote: I drink from time to time. I've never ever done anything I regret while drunk. Why? I practice moderation. And what have you gotten out of drinking said beverages? Alcohol is a depressant, I cannot equate fun with chemical induced depression, no matter how you package it. Quote: Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd. Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same.
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:35:00 - [86] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd. Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same. So fix that problem instead of advocating against the symptoms of that problem.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd. Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same. So fix that problem instead of advocating against the symptoms of that problem. So you don't want to control the substance, but the person using it? Good luck with that.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ***** age at 25 would be completely absurd. Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same. So fix that problem instead of advocating against the symptoms of that problem. That's easier said than done. With all the bleeding hearts out there you can't hardly discipline a child now without getting in trouble. And with school and other programs making it harder by telling each child that their special and unique and telling them that they can do no wrong makes it that much harder. My friend gave my neice a little smack on the rear once in wal-mart while doing some shopping cause she was acting up and a complete stranger called social services on him for even that. To me it utter bull**. The more pampering we do the more Paris Hilton clones we're gonna end up with who have no regard for any one or anything other than whats in their little world. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:02:00 - [89] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd. Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same. So fix that problem instead of advocating against the symptoms of that problem. So you don't want to control the substance, but the person using it? Good luck with that. Legally controlling the substance is the same thing as controlling the person (or rather, attempting to). Trying to increase personal responsibility is a far less heavy-handed approach.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 21:03:00 - [90] Originally by: Derovius Vaden sex for pleasure alone is kind of futile. Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:28:00 - [91] All I can say is LOL at some of the gun-related claims on here. Really guys, this is the internet. If you boast about something, in 10-15min someone that actually knows the subject will show up and tell you how you're wrong. -You can buy semiauto rifles in Texas at 18 (I dont know of a state that does not allow semiauto rifles & shotguns at 18, federal law requires handgun, machine gun, explosive and some other specific classes of firearms be limited to those 21+). -The "magnesium ammo" for a shotgun is basically fireworks, no offensive utility. -Dealers at gun shows must follow the exact same laws as dealers at their storefronts. You just get to see a lot more varied dealers (machine guns/explosive dealers are rare, but commonly visit all of the gunshows to drum up business) -Anti-material (aka explosive) rounds are available for >0.50" weapons, but both the weapon and the ammo require a $200 tax be paid whenever they change hands, along with an FBI fingerprint check and your sheriff's signature stating that you're not a criminal. -Machine guns are available if made before 1986 and the same $200 tax is paid and background check for explosive weapons. -Magazines above 10 rounds were not allowed to be produced between 1994 and 2004, but that law is no longer in effect. I think the 21 limit for alcohol is stupid, if you're considered an adult under the law, you should be able to do all of the adult things. Minigin says I'm not allowed to post in limegreen. :-(
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:35:00 - [92] Originally by: John McFly red text You realize that that is kinda hard to read right? When I say semi-auto rifles I'm mainly speaking of AK and AR varients as well as the Barret M82. ------
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:39:00 - [93] It might be kinda hard to read, but I cant post in limegreen. Minigin says I'm not allowed to post in limegreen. :-(
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:43:00 - [94] Originally by: John McFly It might be kinda hard to read, but I cant post in limegreen. You know i'm on same side of the alcohol discussion as you, and posting in red completely, no UTTERLY destroys your credibility. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:45:00 - [95] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: John McFly It might be kinda hard to read, but I cant post in limegreen. You know i'm on same side of the alcohol discussion as you, and posting in red completely, no UTTERLY destroys your credibility. It has to be said, seeing people post in random colours makes me want to smash a kitten's face in to my monitor. And I like kittens. --------
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:47:00 - [96] I dont like kittens, so go ahead. Minigin says I'm not allowed to post in limegreen. :-(
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.21 00:07:00 - [97] Originally by: John McFly Red text I hardly consider cooking a pumkin with a magnesium round 'basically fireworks'. Aside from that I won't get into the gun topic. We're talking about the drinking age in this thread. If you wanna talk about guns dig up my thread titled 'from a gunowners point of view. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.21 10:41:00 - [98] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: John McFly It might be kinda hard to read, but I cant post in limegreen. You know i'm on same side of the alcohol discussion as you, and posting in red completely, no UTTERLY destroys your credibility. It has to be said, seeing people post in random colours makes me want to smash a kitten's face in to my monitor. And I like kittens. if i see someone hurting animals mainly the ones I LIKE i'll ******* rip their head off with my bear hands uhh hello
Laah T'Sin	Posted - 2007.08.21 11:01:00 - [99] Originally by: DubanFP I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Sorry, what??? Alcohol is just as addictive as nicotine... physically and otherwise!
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.21 11:04:00 - [100] Edited by: ry ry on 21/08/2007 11:05:31 Originally by: Laah T'Sin Originally by: DubanFP I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Sorry, what??? Alcohol is just as addictive as nicotine... physically and otherwise! anything fun is 'addictive' - the important differentiation is the ways in which they are addictive. **ing is not 'more addictive' than smoking crack, despite a whole lot more **ing going on than there is crack smoked. The only similarity is that people get funny if you do either of them on the bus.
Krulla Minmatar True Centii	Posted - 2007.08.21 18:12:00 - [101] Edited by: Krulla on 21/08/2007 18:12:43 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: I drink from time to time. I've never ever done anything I regret while drunk. Why? I practice moderation. And what have you gotten out of drinking said beverages? Alcohol is a depressant, I cannot equate fun with chemical induced depression, no matter how you package it. Um, what? It's obvious that you've never ever been drunk. It's quite a lot of fun... Originally by: Laah T'Sin Originally by: DubanFP I mean at least Drinking isn't addictive "Physically". Sorry, what??? Alcohol is just as addictive as nicotine... physically and otherwise! Um, no. Not in the slightest. Alchohol can be very addictive, but it's almost purely mental. It's also very different from person to person. Whereas if you smoke tobacco regularly, you WILL get addicted.
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.21 18:27:00 - [102] Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 21/08/2007 18:12:43 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: I drink from time to time. I've never ever done anything I regret while drunk. Why? I practice moderation. And what have you gotten out of drinking said beverages? Alcohol is a depressant, I cannot equate fun with chemical induced depression, no matter how you package it. Um, what? It's obvious that you've never ever been drunk. It's quite a lot of fun... Not only that, but Alcohol isn't always a depressent. For some people, it's a stimulant. It all depends on your own body chemistry. For me, a few drinks can keep me awake all night better than a whole pot of coffee.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.21 21:07:00 - [103] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 21/08/2007 18:12:43 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: I drink from time to time. I've never ever done anything I regret while drunk. Why? I practice moderation. And what have you gotten out of drinking said beverages? Alcohol is a depressant, I cannot equate fun with chemical induced depression, no matter how you package it. Um, what? It's obvious that you've never ever been drunk. It's quite a lot of fun... Not only that, but Alcohol isn't always a depressent. For some people, it's a stimulant. It all depends on your own body chemistry. For me, a few drinks can keep me awake all night better than a whole pot of coffee. Alcohol is always a stimulant in small doses and a depressant in large doses. What exactly each individual body's definition of "moderate" and "large" is is where the different reactions come in. --------

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