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Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Seems to me if the government deems you old enough to carry a weapon and go kill people on their behalf it should deem you old enough to drink alcohol. They should be more like Europe. Ease drinking restrictions and crucify you if you do something stupid (like drive drunk). If you want a drink fine but learn to be responsible about it. If you cannot be responsible remove the privilege and sit in jail awhile to think about it. WIN! with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. also, the illegality of drinking under 21 only creates bigger demand and more peer pressure. Its like weed in the netherlands: everyone tries it at 14. yes 14. and by the time your 16 its juvenile, sad, and a filthy habit (even more so than smoking). It's illegality that makes it hip people. Make it legal and suddenly you will find yourself ridiculed by your peers for being such a **. The thing is that people in the states dont drink, they hit 15 shots of vodka. WTF? there aint no moderation: because by the time you can enter a bar and order a drink you're so raring to go.... ** happens. I'm not so sure that mentality would exist in the US if the drinking laws were changed. The Netherlands like Italy, France and a few others have a different cultural mentality to drinking. If you go out in Italy, in general it is not the done thing to get rollicking drunk, especially if you are female. The US like here in Australia doesn't have that mentality, so changing the law would not result in more responsible drinking. For some reason drinking isn't seen as a drug on par with other 'hard' drugs. Don't ask me why. IMO drinking is probably the biggest problem most societies face. Not for the drunk driving, or alcohol fueled stupidity, but because the great percentage of people these days can't exist without drinking every day. The great 'Soma' Huxley talked about is alcohol.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. ** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol Im not on about living off them, im on about giving them the money for the booze and them buying it, cause from the looks of your post your angry cause you can't buy booze yourself... Originally by:** CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Gaira TwinSuns Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns My personal feelings say NO! Why you say well... first there's so many other worst things you can do before that age. -Join the military -Smoke -smoke some more -smoke even more. The USA is a great country but has some of the most rediculous laws and regulations like in Nebraska in a divorse case the woman gets everything unless she's unable to take care of herself(Druggy,to sick)that stuff. Now in the U.S. you have to be 21 to be able to drink alchohol which on some parts I can agree on but must of it is Bull. other laws also prevent you from walking down the street with a nice cold beer in your hand. When I wanna party I perfer to visit my family in Pontchateau, France which is a medium sized town on the southern coast of britany. In france the drinking age is 18. which is nice but the better part is they don't even card you. **** I go to the bar there every day with friends so it's great there. But here it's all about not getting sue'd so they card you and do backround checks and all that BS its just a pain. tell me what you guys think. Get your rents to buy it.... ? I don't live off my parents lol Im not on about living off them, im on about giving them the money for the booze and them buying it, cause from the looks of your post your angry cause you can't buy booze yourself... not angry at all just seeing what other people feel about I just think it should be altered or changed completely but hey thats me and my personal opinion uhh hello
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.19 22:56:00 - [34] The drinking age of 21 is one of the numerous absurdities in american law, yeah. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Red Gabba JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:03:00 - [35] If your considered a adult at the age of 18 then you should be free to choose if you want to drink, smoke, and other stuff. Despite that though, i really don't see lowering the age making any difference. kids are drinking long before the age of 18 anyway JuBa Corp
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:31:00 - [36] Quote: Here ya go: Alabama Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Alaska Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Arizona Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol Arkansas Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting California Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Colorado Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Connecticut Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. D.C. Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Delaware Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Florida Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Georgia Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Hawaii Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Idaho Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Indiana Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Illinois Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Iowa Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Kansas Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Kentucky Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Louisiana Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married OR if spouse or guardian is present. Maine Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Maryland Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Massachusetts Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Michigan Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Minnesota Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Mississippi Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Missouri Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Montana Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Nebraska Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. Nevada Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Jersey Under 21 may consume alcohol in parentsÆ or guardianÆs residence if parent or guardian is home. New Hampshire Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New Mexico Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. New York Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. North Carolina Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. North Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Ohio Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Oklahoma Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. Oregon Under 21 may consume alcohol only if married AND if spouse or guardian is present. Pennsylvania Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Rhode Island Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Carolina Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. South Dakota Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Tennessee Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Texas Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Utah Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Vermont Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Washington Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. West Virginia Under 21 may not possess or consume alcohol. Wisconsin Under 21 may consume alcohol if parent or guardian is present. Wyoming Under 21 may consume alcohol in private setting. wha? where do you find such things?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.19 23:41:00 - [37] I don't think it's that people want the law like that, as much as it is that no politician wants to be the one who steps up and changes it. I mean they would have little to nothing to gain from it, and they might lose conservative votes. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.08.20 00:10:00 - [38] Its not really an age question, more a cultural thing.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.20 00:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Locus Bey The Netherlands like Italy, France and a few others have a different cultural mentality to drinking. This is a big thing. The US is not Europe. There are many differences between the two. If we changed this one law back, it would not suddenly stop problems at all. There are a few things you can't really get until you're 25 too. So no one worries about them. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.08.20 01:20:00 - [40] No but the US is pretty similar to canada (sort of) and it's 19 here. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 02:12:00 - [41] Any set age restriction is dumb. You don't magically gain the ability to drink responsibly at 21. Plus, setting an age limit means teenagers who want to drink a lot as an act of rebellion. The way the US congress went about it may be a violation of the constitution's commerce clause. Congress can't directly impose a nation-wide drinking age because it's a state right, but they said they'll withhold highway funds to states that don't have a minimum drinking age of 21. South Dakota brought the matter before the supreme court and lost, but this may be because they argued their case wrong. See: http://lawschool.mikeshecket.com/constitutionallaw/1-29-04.htm I think it could easily go the other way if any state had the guts to try again. More generally, slapping an age restriction on anything only makes sense when thinking about large populations. You don't gain the ability to smoke responsibly at 18. It's just an average age (or more likely, a wild guess at an average age) where people are smart enough to decide to smoke or not. Why is there an age limitation on driving at all? We already have driving tests. If a 12 year old can prove that they have the ability and responsibility to drive, why not let them? If the tests are passing people who aren't responsible (which they do all the time), then fix that. But why have an age restriction on top of it?
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 02:22:00 - [42] Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 Smoking, alcohol consumption and sexual maturity should all be atleast 25 legally in my opinion. None of them should put in the hands of the inexperienced and foolhearty youth we have today; and I'm saying this as a 22 y/o University student. Its long since pasted the point where people should be given limitless freedoms to do with themselves what they wish. It is in the interest of the state to make illegal the consumption of that which can be classified as a poison/toxin to oneself, not just for the ease it would put on the healthcare system, but also because a citizen is far more productive and prolific when they are healthy. At this point people will begin to question how exactly sexual intercourse is poisonous/toxic; my arguement for this is that you're right, there is no ill side-effects to sex short of the social burden that the inevitible offspring bring about. 25 years of age is a good age for people to start being parents, they will have matured to the point that they understand the consequences to their actions as well as having a (semi)stable finacial base to start a family. These are things that an 18 year old (or younger) simply do not possess. It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it.
Reiisha Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:27:00 - [43] Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... EVE History Wiki
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Tenerhaddi yes it is right! In UK we have alot of problems that relats to drinking Its crazy! We're just crap at drinking in Britain. not as good as the irish lol Heh, the British and Irish have more in common than the Irish are willing to admit You shut your ***** mouth. The only thing we Gaelic peoples share with the Britons are several degrees of latitude and weather patterns. And a deep love of beer. And EVE. And a parliamentary government. This proves nothing.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... Its good to hear that there are other like-minded people out there; I was beginning to think I was alone.
Battleclash	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Battleclash on 20/08/2007 04:05:00 Drinking is overrated anyways.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18 Originally by: Derovius Vaden EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. Hear hear. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived. The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so... Its good to hear that there are other like-minded people out there; I was beginning to think I was alone. I used to be a raging alcoholic, especially in my bartending years but I gave that up about 5 years back and got into a great future. I still smoke and am unsuccesfully trying to quit. Wish I had never started as I don't enjoy coughing up a lung each morning or not being able to run more than 10ft while playing paintball. I do however enjoy the friskey although I am careful as hell about it. I will never do a one night stand or have sex on a first date. Personally I like the idea of being STD and child free (for the time being). Either way I could care less about what age you can drink at because IMO even if it's 18 there will still be kids breaking the law. I mean I had 18 year olds buying me packs of smokes which made them feel like the cool kids so of course they're gonna buy alcohol for the youngn's. Most guys in their mid 20's do the same now but they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think). The only real fight you'll have for reducing the age limit in the US is against M.A.D.D. cause they will fight it tooth and nail. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:13:00 - [48] Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:24:00 - [49] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. For starters, I just admitted I used to be a raging alcoholic. I didn't start drinking until I was 21 and I almost stopped at my first drink until my drunken friend showed me the art of drinking (on the roof of our house no less). I then spent the next 4 years drunk everyday from the moment I got up until the moment I passed out. This included being drunk at work. And I didn't include the entire age group into that bracket. I know better than that. I know from experience of bartending though that most of the older drunks started at a pretty young age. I opened the bar at 7am in the morning and more than once did I have customers waiting for me when I showed up. And I cannot say how many parties I've been to, mostly in the scummier parts of the city, where I show up and see 30 year old males and 15 year old females. Most of the time I just turned around and walked right back out. With anything you have the good people and you have the bad people, which do you think gets noticed more? ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. For starters, I just admitted I used to be a raging alcoholic. I didn't start drinking until I was 21 and I almost stopped at my first drink until my drunken friend showed me the art of drinking (on the roof of our house no less). I then spent the next 4 years drunk everyday from the moment I got up until the moment I passed out. This included being drunk at work. And I didn't include the entire age group into that bracket. I know better than that. I know from experience of bartending though that most of the older drunks started at a pretty young age. I opened the bar at 7am in the morning and more than once did I have customers waiting for me when I showed up. And I cannot say how many parties I've been to, mostly in the scummier parts of the city, where I show up and see 30 year old males and 15 year old females. Most of the time I just turned around and walked right back out. With anything you have the good people and you have the bad people, which do you think gets noticed more? true, but most of my comments especially Originally by: Dubanf I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. Were directed at previous comments more. Particularly the guy who wants to raise the age to 25. The 17 year old chick thing was the only part that was really directed at you, and yeah i'm still a bit disturbed by how you think everyone is up to this kind of stuff. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:39:00 - [51] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think) Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way. Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this". Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life. You've confused me with Michael, so I'll reply as if you replied to me. I may have never gotten drunk in my life, but I've been close friends with those who have. They would drink until they passed out, go stumbling for the bathroom in the middle of the night, miss their target, then wobble around the next morning and whine about how much their head hurt. Guess what they wanted to do the night after this? Drink some more. I personally drew the line when they hatched this wonderful little plan to get a girl from work drunk to see some *******. I am not a user of people, and I refuse to make company with such people. Thankfully, she got wise and decided that she better go home, but jesus if I was anything but friendly with my two friends after that crap. There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. There is a reason it hurts after you drink alcohol; your body is attempting to purge a poison from your system. Would you drink bleach if it gave you a buzz? made you feel good? How about turpentine (I hope I spelt that right)? There is only one reason why people need these escapist substances, and thats weakness. They simply refuse to do without, and like all selfish people, will regret their decisions at the end of their lives.
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:54:00 - [53] The reason for the the drinking age being 21 is because kids are too stupid to know that drinking and driving is a bad idea. Raising the age had an enormous effect on road safty. Its inappropriate to compare us to Europe because less people drive and in many countries driving is taken more seriously. Licenses are generally harder to get and easier to lose. That said I don't think its right to punish the majority for the ignorance of a minority. They should of increased penalties instead of coercing the states into raising the age. Originally by: Cornucopian with a few thousand bucks I can buy myself a barret 50cal sniper rifle. I can pop me a president at a mile with one of those (assuming I spend a few years training in hillbilly land) Also, I'd buy some remaindered Raufoss rounds. google it: HIGH EXPLOSIVE 50cal sniper bullet. do you KNOW what that does to someone? first thing I'd do is shoot paris hilton in half, at about half a mile (need to get closer to hit the bag of bones) I can buy myself a sniper rifle at 18 right? or maybe even one of those automatic glocks? or perhaps a 12 gauge automatic shotgun? or just an mp5 or an mp7. In Texas (generally the most liberal with gun laws) you can buy a bolt-action rifle or shotgun at 18. That is all. You need to be 21 to buy a semi-auto rifle or pistol. If by "automatic glock" you mean the full-auto Glock 18, then no, you can't buy one at 18. Not even at 21. Buying automatics requires special permits that are expensive to get and then the guns themselves are very expensive. HK hasn't released the MP7 into the civilian market. You absolutly cannot buy explosive anti-material rounds....I'm sure there is a permit that allows it, but I've never even heard of anyone having them. ------
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:54:00 - [54] Oh yes, I love hanging around friends when we were like "yeah, we had so much fun at that bar. Too bad we can't remember most of it" And oh how many times I threw up in the downtown Denny's bathroom to the point I got banned from the place. Or mocking the guy that ****ed his pants after he passed out because he couldn't even wake up to get into the restroom. Not to mention the numerous items of value we smashed because it seemed funny at the time. Setting our front porch on fire at 3am because we thought a BBQ would be a grand idea. Playing William Tell with a compound bow... I do remember one time that was really amusing. it was about 9 in the morning and 3 of us were already on our 4th 20 pack of cheap beer and we wanted to watch some mtv music video's while we hung out so we started switching channels and lo and behold the teletubbies came on. Talk about mesmerization. One friends GF later told us that we watched about 3 hours of that show like little kids. Most of my ideals are more of a extreme case since there are varying degrees of stupidity. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Derovius Vaden There is no biological or psychological reason for one to consume alcohol or tobacco, period. Any arguement to the contrary is based on biased experiences of the opinion holder. Relaxation isn't a psychological need? Personally, I don't smoke, and don't drink to get drunk or to escape problems. But I drink for simple relaxation all the time. You can drink water and relax, there is no reason to drink alcohol other than the intoxication aspect of it. Your particular situation is due a habit. You drink because you think that the alcohol itself is bringing relaxation, but rather the act of drinking brings about this feeling. Its the same reason people go to bars; they could consume alcohol at home, but they want to consume it around others. People see it as a socialization medium.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius The reason for the the drinking age being 21 is because kids are too stupid to know that drinking and driving is a bad idea. Raising the age had an enormous effect on road safty. Its inappropriate to compare us to Europe because less people drive and in many countries driving is taken more seriously. Licenses are generally harder to get and easier to lose. That is true. Before I met one of my friends 15 years ago, he had lost his father to a DUI accident. The whole family was headed up north for a trip when a 3 time DUI offender smashed into their car. His father died, his mother has had pins even to this day and still carries a limp, but him and his sister came out ok. The drunken driver was later charged with vehicular manslaughter I think. Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius You absolutly cannot buy explosive anti-material rounds....I'm sure there is a permit that allows it, but I've never even heard of anyone having them. And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. God Bless America... I've just made a mental note to move to Europe when I graduate, they seem slightly less crazy over there...
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. There are loopholes in the laws. You can still buy illegal armour piercing ammo.....as long as the ammo was produced prior to 1986 when it was banned. There's also issues with enforcment. I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the specific ammo he mentioned isn't available in the US civilian market. ------
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once. There are loopholes in the laws. You can still buy illegal armour piercing ammo.....as long as the ammo was produced prior to 1986 when it was banned. There's also issues with enforcment. I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the specific ammo he mentioned isn't available in the US civilian market. That is true. I know I can buy a drum for my AK but it has to be from a certain year since they were banned afterwards. Not that I would though, since the damn things take 40 minutes to load and about 2 minutes to unload. I'll stick to 30 round magazines and stripper clips. As for alot of stuff the guy mention it is viable but you need a class 3 license and when you get one of those you end up on the FBI's watchlist so his argument isn't really viable when comparing it to drinking. If the FBI watched alcohol consumers they'd have a hell of a job on their hands. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 20/08/2007 02:23:15 Smoking, alcohol consumption and sexual maturity should all be atleast 25 legally in my opinion. None of them should put in the hands of the inexperienced and foolhearty youth we have today; and I'm saying this as a 22 y/o University student. Its long since pasted the point where people should be given limitless freedoms to do with themselves what they wish. It is in the interest of the state to make illegal the consumption of that which can be classified as a poison/toxin to oneself, not just for the ease it would put on the healthcare system, but also because a citizen is far more productive and prolific when they are healthy. At this point people will begin to question how exactly sexual intercourse is poisonous/toxic; my arguement for this is that you're right, there is no ill side-effects to sex short of the social burden that the inevitible offspring bring about. 25 years of age is a good age for people to start being parents, they will have matured to the point that they understand the consequences to their actions as well as having a (semi)stable finacial base to start a family. These are things that an 18 year old (or younger) simply do not possess. It may sound harsh, but most people lack the ironically coined "common sense" needed to make decisions for themselves. Most just want someone to tell them >what< to do. EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it. flamebait..... DO NOT FEED. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."

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