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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.20 15:33:00 -
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there is the corp ransom
and the personal ransom
corp ransom is something that there is no reason to ever pay
it is a joke any way you look at it as you are not in direct danger
personal ransom should never be paid but some that use implants and expensive faction mods think it is a good idea to pay sometimes - one must question their mathematical ability if half of those ransoms send you to your clone anyways
so who here has ever payed a ransom and will probably do so again in the future?
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.08.20 15:35:00 -
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I never ever pay ransoms. Its giving in to bullying which I just wont do in game or in RL!
Dont give the piraters the satisfaction.
I confess to having enjoyed succesfully ransoming a noob's low sec pos though:-)
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.20 15:38:00 -
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I have before, though I don't think I would now. At the time it just made economic sense - pay 13 million to replace my ship and fittings, or pay 9 million to keep it.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2007.08.20 15:42:00 -
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I havent ever been ransomed, but I would never pay it and try to escape. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would ask for the ransom and then blow your ship up for the loot.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.08.20 15:51:00 -
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for christs sake, 80+ % of pirates honour ransoms. Please shut up about this.
Corp ransoms have a few sides to them.
1. as a CEO you are responsible for your safety AND the safety of your members.
2. VERY OFTEN the cost of going to war, heavily outweighs the cost of paying a ransom.
3. It VERY OFTEN gets the pirates out of your hair, and if they dishonour it, I know of a few people who take it to the pirates.
4. Hiring a merc corp means nothing, I have been decced my countless merc's, among them celestial apocolypse, I had no problem keeping alive.
Personal ransoms make sense too, why pay 100 mil to refit your BS, when you can pay 50-80 mil to keep it. And dont give me greif about pirates not honouring it, many, many, corps LOVE their reputation and refuse to throw it down the toilet for 15 mil isk.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:04:00 -
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Well...
it depends.
Like he said. As a CEO, or a Director, you have a duty of care to your members, just because you can stay alive without much trouble, doesn't mean every one of your people can.
I've paid ransoms of all types. I hold no problem with it. Giving in to bullying? Nope. Saving me a load of time refitting a ship... oh yes.
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Antiquus Altercor
Minmatar
Joint Ventures Limited
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:05:00 -
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Never pay it. Don't care about their claims of 'honor', they have no honor. They aren't going to get 10% of what they're asking from my wreck, and I only fly what I build, so insurance more than covers it.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 20/08/2007 16:08:57
I paid a ransom once as a month-old noob, and it was honoured.
I probably would not pay again though, but only because I would want the fight, and I would want my mind-state sent home, not necessarily because of a lack of trust.
I have always honoured ransoms. Last month it was a POS, my corp ceased fire and left when it was paid. It was not a ridiculous sum either. But POS aside, it's always loot that I'm after, so I generally don't ransom.
If you want the fight and accept the consequences, there is no reason to ever pay a ransom. If you do not want the fight, paying a ransom works if you are lucky enough to be attacked by people who care about their long-term prospects. You have to be careful though, there are a lot of people out there who treat this as FPS and do not care about their name.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:06:00 -
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Paing ransoms is BoBo and only encourages them.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
IntoXication Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 20/08/2007 16:10:11
So here's the situation:
You are flying around in your expensive ship in lowsec. The cost of the mods on your ship is about 50% the amount you paid for the ship alone (let's say 120mil, so 180mil total). A gang of pirates appear, scram and web you, and ask for a ransom of 80mil for you to keep your ship. What does logic tell you to do, and what does logic till the pirates to do once they've ransomed you?
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Dez Affinity
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 20/08/2007 16:10:11
So here's the situation:
You are flying around in your expensive ship in lowsec. The cost of the mods on your ship is about 50% the amount you paid for the ship alone (let's say 120mil, so 180mil total). A gang of pirates appear, scram and web you, and ask for a ransom of 80mil for you to keep your ship. What does logic tell you to do, and what does logic till the pirates to do once they've ransomed you?
Pay the ransom, too much trouble having to buy insurance again, fly around picking up fittings and the ship itself.
Let the guy who got ransomed go, they got the money, the guy wasn't an ******* about it and accepted it. What happens if you catch the guy again and want to ransom? Or his friends?
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Arachidamia
Matari People's Front
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:16:00 -
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Never been asked for ransom, and so never had the choice. But given the chance I doubt I would pay. I'm sure many pirates would uphold a ransom, and I respect them for it. But they are greatly outweighed by the "pirates" who care little for honour, and greatly for mindlessly ganking anything they can.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
So here's the situation:
You are flying around in your expensive ship in lowsec. The cost of the mods on your ship is about 50% the amount you paid for the ship alone (let's say 120mil, so 180mil total). A gang of pirates appear, scram and web you, and ask for a ransom of 80mil for you to keep your ship. What does logic tell you to do, and what does logic till the pirates to do once they've ransomed you?
If on the receiving end, I would fight and die. Just because.
If on the dishing out end, there would not be a request for a ransom, I would want modules and corpse. But if for any reason there was a request, I would keep my word.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:22:00 -
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10% of people i ransom pay, then get duly released.
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:23:00 -
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I have payed ransom several times before and will do it again as long as it's cheaper than replacing the ship. I have yet to experience a pirate dishonour a ransom against me and to be honest most posters here seem completely blinded by their unreasonable hate for pirates. Disturbingly I have seen more honour amongst pirates, than the rest of the playerbase.
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Great Artista
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:24:00 -
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I'll pay it if its reasonable, no biggie here.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
10% of people i ransom pay, then get duly released.
Do you mean you let 10% of the payers go, or .... 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:26:00 -
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If I ransom someone, then if they accept, they go. There's no price you can set on keeping your word.
If I'm pinned down, and offered a ransom for my pod, I'll usually reply 'so pod me', because it's just not worth it to me.
If I'm pinned and offered a ransom for my ship, I'll pay, a sensible amount given replacement costs and insurance, just for the hassle of not having to refit.
Not that the last has ever happened, but I accept that when things _do_ go that way, the person ransoming me is expecting payoff on the mods, if I pop.
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Zhett Haukes
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:26:00 -
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If I ransom, which is always if it is safe to do so, and it is paid, I will disengage and allow the ransomee to go about their business. If I catch them again then a new ransom must be paid - they are not a "get out of jail free" card.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.20 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zhett Haukes
If I ransom, which is always if it is safe to do so, and it is paid, I will disengage and allow the ransomee to go about their business. If I catch them again then a new ransom must be paid - they are not a "get out of jail free" card.
how much time do they get to run
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Terex193
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:02:00 -
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I dont pay em,i fight back,if i lose i lose,if i win,Hellz yea :)
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:05:00 -
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tbh I've never had a pirate try to ransom me, just kill the ship and pick over the loot. That said while I wouldn't pay I do know one guy who ejected from his ship as ransom, warped back in a Velator, reboarded his ship (now that lock was lost) and ran into a pirate outside the station in a pod about to warp off to collect his ship. I hear the pod made a nice squishy sound.
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:05:00 -
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last time i got held ransom
i was told 30 mio for my pod
i replied
you pay me 30 mio and i let you kiss my a$$
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:16:00 -
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i charge 10 mill for pod, i think thats reasonable tbh. i dont care if people pay or not tbh.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:18:00 -
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only been ransomed twice
once, i didnt have the cash
the second, they wanted more than my ship and pod were worth, put together  (nearly unfitted rupture, no implants, and I had insurance) 
being podded was the fastest way home
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Test32445345
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:22:00 -
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We had a freighter ransom'd in low sec by a pirate corp, we paid 500mil I think and the pirates honored it.
If more pirates wouldn't shoot after the ransom was paid then probably more ppl would pay the ransom. You have noone to blame but yourselves.
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Terex193
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:27:00 -
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Whenever i decide to pirate,5 mil for pod,500k for frigs,5 mil for most cruisers,30-40 mil for bcs,and i dont mess wit t2s or bses really lol,if i ever come across freighters itll b like 500-mil depending on which 1 =P,i only held 1 person ransom,and it was bc :p
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.20 18:12:00 -
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I've never paid a ransom
However, I do have a suggestion for folks that do pay ransom:
If you pay ransom and the ransom is not honored in BOTH spirit and word, then be sure to announce the details on the crime and punishment forums.
Assuming (and this is an important assumption) that a ransom payer is honest and professional about the whole thing, many ransom taking pirates actively and strongly dislike those pirates who violate ransoms, even if only in spirit. If you can identify such violators of ransom, you can cause some dangerous folks to become at least mildly "more" hostile to them.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Zhett Haukes
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.08.20 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
how much time do they get to run
When a ransom is paid, I turn off my scram and let them warp away. If I find them again after this (I normally don't activly look for the same target) then they are fair game imo.
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Stakhanov
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.08.20 18:32:00 -
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I'd pay my pod ransom (assuming it's less than my implants' value) if I were caught by an outlaw gang. I wouldn't trust mercs or antipirates because they'd want to get my bounty and have no pirate reputation to preserve.
Originally by: Cipher7
If you manage to get baited, what's your skill, being a good victim?
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