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Nith Batoxxx
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Posted - 2007.08.23 13:56:00 -
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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox and i need some ideas on a ratting/missin tank.
I prefer passive tanks but both will teach me somethin so please give me what u know.
Thanks...............
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
Caldari Navy Raiders
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.23 14:00:00 -
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for ratting or mission running you will want to go with heavy missile launchers.
Dont do what all caldari do though and neglect gun skills, a sniper ferox is a cheap and effective asset to a sniping pvp fleet.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.08.23 14:09:00 -
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for ratting just fit it like a Drake (heavy missiles, 3 LSE II and some SPR) i.e. with a passive tank.
Otherwise you should try large shield booster, shield boost amplifier, 2 hardeners and something in slot 5 to help with gun tracking (webifier, tracking computer, afterburner) or a capacitor recharger. Fit lowslots with PDS II and MFS II.
5 x 200mm or dual 150mm with 2 x assault or heavy launchers - with launchers you might not care about the gun tracking module I mentioned earlier...
Don't let that large shield booster run out of control...
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Aravel Thon
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Posted - 2007.08.23 14:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.23 14:54:00 -
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Aravel beat me to it 
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Jacob Swell
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.23 14:54:00 -
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There is no reason to fly a Ferox for PvE ever.
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Nith Batoxxx
Angel of War
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.23 15:08:00 -
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Well if i should fly a ferox in PVE what would u suggest then man..........
Guys i dont know what this is please tell me
LSE II
SPR
MFS II
And with Large shield booster my cap will b empty in just over a minute so not really a passive tank is it.
What about shield boost amp, small shield boos T2 cap rechargers and cap flux coils???
Maybe cap and shield recharge rig if i really have money to waste/put to good use....
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Jacob Swell
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.23 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Well if i should fly a ferox in PVE what would u suggest then man..........
I suggest you sell it immediately and put the proceeds towards a Drake.
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Kirith Kodachi
Omen Incorporated
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.23 15:41:00 -
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Jebus Chrisp, a Drake is not the answer to every fracking ferox question.
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Well if i should fly a ferox in PVE what would u suggest then man..........
Guys i dont know what this is please tell me
LSE II
SPR
MFS II
And with Large shield booster my cap will b empty in just over a minute so not really a passive tank is it.
What about shield boost amp, small shield boos T2 cap rechargers and cap flux coils???
Maybe cap and shield recharge rig if i really have money to waste/put to good use....
First off, LSE = Large Shield Extender, SPR = Shield Power Relay, and MFS = Magnetic Field Stablizer.
In a Ferox with rails I prefer the passive tanking: invul field, one or two large shield extenders, rat specific hardener or resist amplifier. If you are going the missile route, then try the active tanking with the shield booster and hardeners.
Yes the Drake is superior for PvE if you are going the heavy missile route, but if you're training gunnery and playing with rails, the Ferox is an acceptable if not overwhelming choice.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.23 15:43:00 -
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if its for ratting sell it and buy a drake asap its so much better tbh
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Jacob Swell
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.23 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kirith Kodachi
Yes the Drake is superior for PvE if you are going the heavy missile route, but if you're training gunnery and playing with rails, the Ferox is an acceptable if not overwhelming choice.
Even if he was focusing on railguns, training for heavy missiles it not THAT much a detour. Even with level 1 in heavies, a Drake will out perform a Ferox.
PvEing with railguns on a Ferox is like digging a hole with a spoon; it'll get the job done eventually, but it is no substitute for a shovel.
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.23 16:25:00 -
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If you're using rails might as well get a Brutix.
If you're using heavies might as well get a Drake.
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Nevin Blake
Caldari
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.23 17:39:00 -
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An honest question as to why so many people think the ferox is so useless.
I took a break from EVE just as the drake was introduced so I don't have any experiencewith it. However, that being said, I have absolutely no trouble running all lvl 3 missions (massive attack, spy, etc. - although I have lots of sp in my shield skills)
My current setup is:
Hi:
5X heavy launchers (thermal)
2X rails (forget which, but for short range encounters to fight off frigs, armed with AM - help my 3 drones)
Med:
3 LSEII's, 2 hardeners (switch depending on rats I'm fighting)
Low:
2X Ballistic Missile, 2X SPR
I get about 14K shields and never dip below 50% on even the hardest lvl 3's.
All that being said, what can I do with a Drake that I wouldn't be able to with a Ferox? Can I do lvl 4 missions, or is it just worth waiting to jump into a Raven?
Is it possible to rat in 0.0 with either a Ferox or a Drake, or is neither or only the Drake recommended?
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.08.23 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maeltstome
for ratting or mission running you will want to go with heavy missile launchers.<snip>
Funny, I run missions in a Ferox using rails...
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Jacob Swell
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.23 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nevin Blake
All that being said, what can I do with a Drake that I wouldn't be able to with a Ferox? Can I do lvl 4 missions, or is it just worth waiting to jump into a Raven?
Is it possible to rat in 0.0 with either a Ferox or a Drake, or is neither or only the Drake recommended?
You actually could (can?) do L4 missions in a Drake. It's tank was just that good. CCP nerfed the shield recharge rate from 1000s to 1400s for all BCs because of how good the passive tank on the Drake was. I no longer use BCs for PvE so I can't vouch, but I believe it is still possible to tank L4s in the Drake, only with more expensive modules/better skills.
For 0.0 ratting, if you have to use a BC, a Drake is a better choice. I often see newer pilots fly Drakes when belt ratting.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.08.23 19:33:00 -
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A ferox can tank almost as well as a drake. It'll miss one large extender (bad) or one hardener/amp (almost as bad) but it can still do it almost as well.
Almost as well means a ferox would likely tank roughly 60-70% of all L4 missions. Missions like AE4 would be fine, up until the bonus room when you really need 3 hardeners and a drake can barely keep up with the DPS against it with the right hardeners.
At any rate, I just use 5x250mm rails, 1x cloak, 1x drone link augment, 1x T2 large booster, 2x tracking computers, 1x sensor booster, 1x rat-specific hardener, 3xMagStab, and a T2 damage control on my gang-support ferox.
Likely when I can start using gang mods I'll swap out one with the cloak since using a cloak for part of your tank, while effective at times, can also lead to some serious problems.
For real mission running I'd swap out one tracking computer for a T2 afterburner and one MagStab for a Cap. Flux Coil, preferably Tech 2. Drop the cloak and put in whatever launcher I can fit, probably an assault. I wouldn't use that for anything past L3 missions unless I'm in a small gang however.
For L4 missions in a drake I'd do this:
Highs:
5x heavy launcher
1x medium vampire
1x drone link augment (unless you have scout drone 5 and EW drone 3, minimum)
Mids
3xLarge Shield Extender II
2xRat-specific hardeners
Lows
4xShield Power Relay II
Rigs
3x Core defense field purger
This gives you roughly 207 hp/second peak recharge, minimum, with shield management 3 and shield sys. op. 4, and if you use 2 T2 invulnerability fields, or faction fields, you get a minimum of 61.19% EM, 68.95% thermal, 76.71% kinetic, and 84.48% explosive resistance.
Swapping an SPR2 for a DC2 would drop your tank to 156 hp/sec regen and 66.04/72.83/79.62/86.42 resistances (prior order) while dropping an LSE2 for another Invulnerability 2 will leave you a 163 hp/sec peak regen with 67.83/74.27/80.7/87.13 for resistances.
Either way I don't think the loss of 40-50 HP/sec, 25% of your regen, is worth the gains of a third hardener or the use of a DC2 in most missions.
This ship build obviously will not put out as much DPS as a drake but it's still enough to eventually, with enough ammo, ***** the tanks of many if not most L4 battleships (up to 700k bounty I would imagine), even if you're using T1 drones and not T2s.
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SOLAR stone
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Posted - 2007.08.26 23:53:00 -
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Why in ferox nobody use blasters instead of rails?
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Arthur Frayn
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: SOLAR stone
Why in ferox nobody use blasters instead of rails?
Look at a Brutix and get back to us.
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Neuromandis
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: SOLAR stone
Why in ferox nobody use blasters instead of rails?
Look at a Brutix and get back to us.
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This.
Caldari CAN perform very well with blasters, but to really take advantage of their bonuses, you had better look towards ships with double ones (so their effect is more pronounced, see blarpy/beagle) or ships with already decent base blaster range to build upon (see rokh).
The ferox has neither, a 50% range bonus to a medium blaster means almost nothing, and when you compare it with the 25% more damage from bonuses, and the 40% more damage from turrets (grand total +75% damage) that a brutix gets with blasters, an extra 1 km or three of range suddenly look inexistant and irrelevant.
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NCP S2
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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:30:00 -
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The Ferox is still a good ship, even after the introduction of the Drake.
I used to rat in a Ferox, with a combo of missiles and rails, it can hit from a good range, and the tank set up can be pretty good on it.
After playing with a Drake for a little while, I might suggest saving up and maybe transfer over to that for missions. The Drake passive tank is something to marvel at, it does beat out the Ferox by a goodly bit.
A snipe Ferox can still put the hurting on.
-S2
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Neuromandis
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: NCP S2
The Ferox is still a good ship, even after the introduction of the Drake.
I used to rat in a Ferox, with a combo of missiles and rails, it can hit from a good range, and the tank set up can be pretty good on it.
After playing with a Drake for a little while, I might suggest saving up and maybe transfer over to that for missions. The Drake passive tank is something to marvel at, it does beat out the Ferox by a goodly bit.
A snipe Ferox can still put the hurting on.
-S2
"Good ship" by what standards? If you mean "flyable" I'll have to say yes. But it is with easily the worst battlecruiser out there, T1 and T2.
It was never "a good ship" and it still isn't, just now that there is the drake apart from "meh" it is also obsolete.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: NCP S2
A snipe Ferox can still put the hurting on.
Not really, no.
It can snipe, but I wouldn't use the word "hurt". More like, "tickle".
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Nith Batoxxx
DMC Inc.
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 12:33:00 -
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ok *****es(lol)
I lost 2 ferox's so far since this post(my alt that is)
and now my corp moved to 0.0.
i bought a drake
fitted it after checking plenty posts
highs= 7 malketh heavy
mids= 2 LSE, 10mnAB, Small Shield recharger, MED shield booster
Low= x2 PDU II. x1 PDU tech1, x1 Ballistic thingy
and 3 drones needd to train em more
it kicks ass, anny tips, i dont have money for rigs yet but my salvage is getting there......
cheers
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 31/08/2007 13:59:37
Just passive tank it - no sense fitting a shield booster 
meds
3x Invul Field II
2x Large Extender II
1x Shield Recharger (or Afterburner)
lows
2x BCU
2x Shield Power Relay
If you need more grid, exchange SPRs for tech II PDS.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Drake vs Ferox in PvE stuff
Now, here's the deal.
The Drake gets a flat +40% DPS increase compared to the Ferox, and up to +75% DPS when using kinetic.
Tank-wise, it has 586 extra shield HP (22% of a LSE-II "built-in"), and one extra midslot, which can be used either for an extra LSE-II or an extra hardner. Either way, in the worst case scenario it's still least 25% better off tank-wise, and usually around 35-40% better.
So, no, sorry, Ferox doesn't even stink compared to a Drake for PvE, it barely registers.
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