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GoLeM	Posted - 2004.02.09 02:29:00 - [91] Everyone hates us because they think we are pirates. Our enemies will flame this and say we are pirates. They may even back up their claims with pictures of 1 or 2 CA members pirating. The truth? CA does not condone it members to pirate. We consider pirating to be killing people that are not on our KOS list outside of our space or Catch. We will kill anything that enters B-VIP9 or HED-GP or beyond. HED-GP is not our space but is considered restricted space because it only leads to Curse and Stain. The Curse Alliance contains several former pirates. There have even been some cases where our members were pirating. These have resulted in warnings and even being kicked from the CA. We will probably bring more ex-pirates into our alliance in the future. We have no problem with this as long as they abide by our rules. If this causes others to come attack us, great because we love PvP. If our enemies want to call the whole CA pirates because of this, who cares. If the CA were pirates, the whole galaxy would know it without a doubt. We are only pirates if you consider claiming and defending territory an act of piracy. m0o are our friends and former allies. Yes we are friends with pirates. We help them and they help us. Others that call us pirates have or have had relationships with pirates. We openly admit our relationship. We don't claim to be "the good guys". We like PvP and that's all that matters to us.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.02.09 02:51:00 - [92] Quote: Everyone hates us because they think we are pirates. Our enemies will flame this and say we are pirates. They may even back up their claims with pictures of 1 or 2 CA members pirating. The truth? CA does not condone it members to pirate. We consider pirating to be killing people that are not on our KOS list outside of our space or Catch. We will kill anything that enters B-VIP9 or HED-GP or beyond. HED-GP is not our space but is considered restricted space because it only leads to Curse and Stain. The Curse Alliance contains several former pirates. There have even been some cases where our members were pirating. These have resulted in warnings and even being kicked from the CA. We will probably bring more ex-pirates into our alliance in the future. We have no problem with this as long as they abide by our rules. If this causes others to come attack us, great because we love PvP. If our enemies want to call the whole CA pirates because of this, who cares. If the CA were pirates, the whole galaxy would know it without a doubt. We are only pirates if you consider claiming and defending territory an act of piracy. m0o are our friends and former allies. Yes we are friends with pirates. We help them and they help us. Others that call us pirates have or have had relationships with pirates. We openly admit our relationship. We don't claim to be "the good guys". We like PvP and that's all that matters to us. Pretty much bob on. Reverend Necrona
Lightor	Posted - 2004.02.09 03:11:00 - [93] Quote: Everyone hates us because they think we are pirates. Our enemies will flame this and say we are pirates. They may even back up their claims with pictures of 1 or 2 CA members pirating. The truth? CA does not condone it members to pirate. We consider pirating to be killing people that are not on our KOS list outside of our space or Catch. We will kill anything that enters B-VIP9 or HED-GP or beyond. HED-GP is not our space but is considered restricted space because it only leads to Curse and Stain. The Curse Alliance contains several former pirates. There have even been some cases where our members were pirating. These have resulted in warnings and even being kicked from the CA. We will probably bring more ex-pirates into our alliance in the future. We have no problem with this as long as they abide by our rules. If this causes others to come attack us, great because we love PvP. If our enemies want to call the whole CA pirates because of this, who cares. If the CA were pirates, the whole galaxy would know it without a doubt. We are only pirates if you consider claiming and defending territory an act of piracy. m0o are our friends and former allies. Yes we are friends with pirates. We help them and they help us. Others that call us pirates have or have had relationships with pirates. We openly admit our relationship. We don't claim to be "the good guys". We like PvP and that's all that matters to us. Well, at least that is a straight down to the point answer.
Zelota	Posted - 2004.02.09 03:14:00 - [94] Quote: Yep, Dalman hit it right on the head. The original reasons for the war against the CA are mostly gone, yet we just keep right on fighting because that's how it's been for quite a long time, and any attempts at peace talks have been blown out of the water before they even got started. Oh your right.....well in the sens that the tides turned agenst you and we are atacking you now.Wen you were atacking uss you had no resons ether we cryed for mercy but you just ignored that....Welcome to the world of being small and help less!!! Vid of the week
Sequin	Posted - 2004.02.09 03:45:00 - [95] @skillz I can pretty much guarante you have not infiltrated us:) ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
The Mizz	Posted - 2004.02.09 03:50:00 - [96] Quote: Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 09/02/2004 01:55:48 Quote: here is the legit truth why people hate curse. 4 months ago or so there were a few small corps making a living in curse space mining the rare ores. All of a sudden sinister comes in and starts killing people on site no questions asked. Then after killing these small corps they ask if they want to be part of the curse alliance. That is why people hate curse so much for what they did and can't stand the corps that are part of an alliance that was founded by pirates. Ok here is the deal, Oracle was there when sinister came and aproched us, we didnt get shoot at, so get your facts straight, before you go on raving like a lunatic. You see their are 2 kinds of people, thoose who think they know, and thoose who do know, which catagory do you think you fit in not true greyskull was there as well.
CubePusher	Posted - 2004.02.09 03:58:00 - [97] Quote: @skillz I can pretty much guarante you have not infiltrated us:) seconds that
Sequin	Posted - 2004.02.09 04:01:00 - [98] OMFG CUBE IS THE MOLEH! GET HIM! ^A Raem Civre Original EVE-Trade, for your buying and selling needs. A Voogru original. [i]Redon > evol and mass have a GM helping them with everything Redon > notice how they always get ships replaced and none of us cant <--- Hurray for teamwork! b] We are evil exploiters!
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.02.09 07:51:00 - [99] not true greyskull was there as well. No one got shoot at, but hey live in fairytale land So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Estios	Posted - 2004.02.09 09:57:00 - [100] Coz we are so damn Handsome and Uber ......and not at all arrogant So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Durandal	Posted - 2004.02.09 10:23:00 - [101] From my own experience I think the reason people dislike CA so much is because of the somewhat mixed messages that come out of there, and their earlier actions which could very well be interpreted as pirating. GoLeM said: Quote: The truth? CA does not condone it members to pirate. We consider pirating to be killing people that are not on our KOS list which I happen to believe. However I sometimes have to wonder whether or not certain members of the CA actually listen to this. When people like Duke Droklar come out and say things like: Quote: If you're not CA or NAP with CA then you're either there to aid the enemy or tresspassing... either way it's KOS it kind of contradicts what GoLeM is saying (unless of course anyone who is not in CA is actually KOS, in which case thats a big list ). I understand that CA want to defend their territory however it is the manner in which you defend it that has probably annoyed people. Before joining SA, Second Wave had ships in Curse, Fountain and Stain from time to time. When those regions wars escalated we were asked to leave by Stain and Fountain, and we did so. However Curse decided to try and shoot us without warning. Even after I lost an Armageddon and had a chat with a couple of CA leaders who assured me SWI would be left alone, attacks continued on our battleships and cruisers in the region (thankfully without loss). It is (or was) the shoot first ask questions later attitude that continued the pirate theme from what I can tell....and the fact that even after destroying my ship, apologising, admitting it was a mistake you wouldn't give me my mods back . Now I don't claim that people have not been shot without warning in both SA and FA aswell, however it is the apparent consistency with which it happens in Curse that cause the grumbles. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
GoLeM	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:10:00 - [102] Ahh yes, our territory was quite bumpy at the start. We then agreed to give warning to all who had not been warned before. This didn't work too well and we eventually came to where we are today. Now we can kill all in our space without giving warning. This is very necessary because of all the wars going on. I'm sorry to hear of your previous loss and that they admitted fault but wouldn't return the mods. I don't agree with that. Duke said "trespassing" so I imagine he means people in our space. That is true, all in our space are considered KOS.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:12:00 - [103] I'd like to see the names of pilots kicked out of CA for engaging in piracy. Just to back up your claims, Golem. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:12:00 - [104] Edited by: XeQtR on 09/02/2004 11:15:54 I have an explanation about the contradicing messages emerging from CA. This might come as news to a lot of you but we are many people in CA. And strangelly enough we don't all think exactly alike Many in CA are obviously friends with m0o and c0w members etc. Some of us (I.E me)don't know them well enough to call them friends. I've even been killed by m0o back in june. Unlike many people here however I don't consider the act of attacking me in a game equals the attacker being the antichrist and I have nothing against m0o or any other so called "pirate" corp, so I can STILL be in the CA without feeling I'm condemning my immortal soul to an eternity of above average warmth. In short: We're just a couple of hundred individual players who happend to end up in CA and many of us enjoys it. If you don't like it, Come attack us. The pirate angle is getting PRETTY old now though Oh and Josh: relax. it's a GAME.
GoLeM	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:25:00 - [105] Edited by: GoLeM on 09/02/2004 11:27:01 Quote: I'd like to see the names of pilots kicked out of CA for engaging in piracy. Just to back up your claims, Golem. PsXDnS for starters. I think another at the same time. He was kicked for killing the President of CFS during a cease fire. This created a little bit of a stir and a few people went with him. They formed a corp and shortly thereafter PsXDnS and another were banned from the game for a reason I don't remember.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:25:00 - [106] Quote: Oh and Josh: relax. it's a GAME. Tell that to The Reclaimer. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Durandal	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:26:00 - [107] Edited by: Durandal on 09/02/2004 11:31:29 Quote: I have an explanation about the contradicing messages emerging from CA. This might come as news to a lot of you but we are many people in CA. And strangelly enough we don't all think exactly alike ......In short: We're just a couple of hundred individual players who happend to end up in CA and many of us enjoys it. If you don't like it, Come attack us. The pirate angle is getting PRETTY old now though I understand how contradicting messages can come from large alliances and I wasn't really commenting on the cause of them as such, I was just answering the original post as to why people tend not to like CA. Obviously you don't all think alike, however it would normally be expected, from a neutral stand point, to have one official message representing the views of an alliance on a particular topic. You should not be surprised when people get annoyed and a pirate theme continues when the leaders of CA take an anti-pirate stance while many of the "free-thinking" members take part in pirate activities....it can be very confusing to those trying to work out where they stand (please note I am not trying to label the whole of CA as pirates, or indeed as a pirate alliance). Curses public image problem (and I know you don't care blah, blah...but its the point of the whole thread) has been caused by poor communication to those outside of their alliance, and communication/control over the actions of those within it. I don't mean that the alliance doesn't work, or that they are unorganised (which they are obviously not), but if you want a reason for the "hate" then there it is. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
GoLeM	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:39:00 - [108] My opinion is that our alliance is not anti-pirate. We just don't allow it by our members. If we have an official stance on whether we are anti-pirate, I have not heard of it. It would be quite strange to be anti-pirate and yet allow people into our alliance that have just quit pirating. Oh btw, we don't add all that trespass our space onto the KOS list. They are KOS when they are in our space. Only people that show aggression are added to the KOS list. I imagine the same is true for all alliances.
Durandal	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:41:00 - [109] Quote: My opinion is that our alliance is not anti-pirate. We just don't allow it by our members. Thats what I meant by being anti-pirate i.e. not allowing members to take part in pirating . I didn't mean you actively hunt down pirate corps....hope the post makes more sense now. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:42:00 - [110] Josh u get a medal for being wrong alot. be proud.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:43:00 - [111] Quote: Josh u get a medal for being wrong alot. be proud. I'm not wrong. I'm just temporarily not right. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.02.09 11:46:00 - [112] 11:42:00 11:43:00 ----OMFG---- btw good comeback...
Bigfoot Hunter	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:00:00 - [113] I love how EV is always harping on the ex pirate thing its such bs. A few weeks ago i was checking out my personal standings with people and tweaking the ones who where no longer enemies and i came across Sparhawk he was the ceo of a corp we fought very early in release so i look up his employment just cause i was curious if he had quit or not low and behold some time after Xtinction collapsed he joined red corsairs and is currently a member of EV makes me wonder how many other ex pirates does the sa have and use in there war against the ca "pirates" hell i can think of another one off the top off my head Atari of solar wind ex mOo. Well now since stain has consorted with ex pirates by stains own standards they too are "pirates". I bet there mothers are so proud. -------------------------------------- Fortis cadere, cedere non potest
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:12:00 - [114] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 09/02/2004 12:14:49 Quote: I love how EV is always harping on the ex pirate thing its such bs. A few weeks ago i was checking out my personal standings with people and tweaking the ones who where no longer enemies and i came across Sparhawk he was the ceo of a corp we fought very early in release so i look up his employment just cause i was curious if he had quit or not low and behold some time after Xtinction collapsed he joined red corsairs and is currently a member of EV makes me wonder how many other ex pirates does the sa have and use in there war against the ca "pirates" hell i can think of another one off the top off my head Atari of solar wind ex mOo. Well now since stain has consorted with ex pirates by stains own standards they too are "pirates". I bet there mothers are so proud. You may wish to check Sparhawk's security rating. We do not employ anyone with a really bad negative security rating or anyone we feel has been an active pirate/pk'er recently. I personally couldn't give a $hit about CA being pirates or not being pirates. Telling them they are pirates acheives the same reaction from them as they get from us when they accuse us of being cowards/safespotters Check my security rating - does that make me a pirate? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:14:00 - [115] Quote: I'd like to see the names of pilots kicked out of CA for engaging in piracy. Just to back up your claims, Golem. PsX, AngelusIce and some of their buddies were kicked. Cyrus left because he wanted to pirate CFS space and was told not to.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:17:00 - [116] Quote: Quote: I'd like to see the names of pilots kicked out of CA for engaging in piracy. Just to back up your claims, Golem. PsX, AngelusIce and some of their buddies were kicked. Cyrus left because he wanted to pirate CFS space and was told not to. Yup, Golem already told me. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Iluyen	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:23:00 - [117] Edited by: Iluyen on 09/02/2004 12:24:18 [I personally couldn't give a $hit about CA being pirates or not being pirates. Telling them they are pirates acheives the same reaction from them as they get from us when they accuse us of being cowards/safespotters You mean "damn they're on to us"?
TIvian	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:32:00 - [118] There are no pirates in Curse!....NEVER! I dont want you to be afraid my friend. I am not afraid and neither should you be! We of the Curse Alliance do not condone piracy in any way shape or form. Ahh screw it. no one believes us any way! So do you have any questions about what we have discussed today? great thanks I was happy to answer your questions. and as a Curse Alliance victom I do value your time as a customer, so let me thank you for your business today. As your Curse Alliance Customer Service Representative it is my personal goal here in the Curse Alliance to provide you with Swiftist Clone Facility Service Possible. And Should you have any further Questions or concerns, please feel free to contact any of my fellow trained Curse Alliance Representives as he will be happy to help you to your new clone. And Let me say thank you for choosing Curse Alliance as your Clone Activation Specialists. Have a nice day! (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Durandal	Posted - 2004.02.09 12:39:00 - [119] Edited by: Durandal on 09/02/2004 12:44:37 Quote: I personally couldn't give a $hit about CA being pirates or not being pirates Neither could I really. Either way we are at war with them, so it makes no difference. And the only reason it was brought up in this thread is because Teeth asked: Quote: Why does everyone hate them so much? and it is a bit difficult to explain that without mentioning the fact that some people believe they are or were pirates. The hate stems from perception rather than fact....even if the facts are that Curse is pirate free! So there is no need for the: Quote: There are no pirates in Curse!....NEVER! since that is not what we are saying here . We can save that eternally entertaining topic for another thread "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"

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