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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.07 00:48:00 -
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Why does everyone hate them so much?
I heard they used to have m0o as a part of their alliance, is that why? Or is it because they claim too much of space (not the regular 1 or 2 off limits systems for alliances).
I've also heard claims that they're pirates, but those come mostly from people they're at war with, so that's no horribly impartial.
What's the story?
-T
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.07 01:03:00 -
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Honestly, we are way past the point of caring what ppl think about us. Our enemies like to slander ppl, which is fine, for a child. Our space that is claimed, is claimed for strategic purposes. Honestly, if we didnt there would be a line of CC, GWP, CFS carebears that would be fodder there anyway.
Another reason ppl don't like us is because of our power. Its natural that others are jealous of our success. I could dig up many threads that claim we are beaten, yet we fought off so many ppl that only a fool wouldnt respect our military might. Our PR may be lacking, but who cares? Not us.....
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Diavalos
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Posted - 2004.02.07 01:08:00 -
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Curse?.. what there is a curse alliance? Never heard of them before.. cant be to special if i've never heard of them before.
/emote shrug
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2004.02.07 01:25:00 -
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Why everyone hates them so much?
Well.. As a new member to CA (about a month now) My answer would be: I don't have a clue.
I remember being "brought up" KNOWING CA were the bad guys. Pirates and all. Some of our members even quit the game when we joined. As it turns out though, I'm having a great time. Great alliance chat allways lots of ppl online. Overall nice attitude between players. Whatever you wanna do. It's there. Wanna mine? join one of the mining ops going on pretty much 24/7 . Wanna pvp? Well take a look at our enemies and tell me if you thnk we lack pvp oppurtunities. 
To sumarise. CA is about as far from the picture I had of it when I was in empire as it posibly could have been. Except for the PvP. THAT'S allways present. Which is great,
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.02.07 02:26:00 -
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As was stated earlier, we no longer care what ppl think, but as you sound new to game I will say this.
I was a director in my first corp. we where an empire based corp only. we made some incursions into stain and fountain,and did not recieve very warm welcomes. we determined that in order to survive with up comming features in the game we needed to be able to move about freely in 0.0 space. the one place we always knew not to go was Curse. as there where "pirates" there.
Yes m0o was there. but they had changed from a pirate corp to going legit. alot of their original players had left on an extended brake. there was also a couple of other former pirate corps also. Sinster and Red Corsairs. they too went legit. No one wanted to give up and forgive their past transgretions. and so every one declaired war on the Curse Alliance.
When I joined I thought for sure I was getting in over my head. but I found a great bunch of friends and a great alliance. Its not what people think it is and they are jealous of our success and friendship. there is not much more I can say other then we are the best pvp alliance in all of eve. and maybe that is why.
flame away all you Curse haters.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.07 02:38:00 -
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Not really new, I've been playing for several months. Just can't make heads or tails about what I hear.
Thanks for the replies!
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.07 03:02:00 -
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CA was formed by very welknown pirates. And survived by reqruiting MANY new corps that were ready to fight for those pirates to get access to rare ore/good NPCs (and also to get PvP).
Hence they were naturally "everyones enemy".
And some corps in CA also held some old anger against SA since the early days of the SA.
The situation now is very different. The initial pirate corps that caused the wars are disbanded. But the war rages on, cause during months of fighting against each other...
(and, no Tivian, I don't for a second doubt that you are nice guys having lots of fun together. Cause we have that too.)
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.02.07 03:33:00 -
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Yep, Dalman hit it right on the head.
The original reasons for the war against the CA are mostly gone, yet we just keep right on fighting because that's how it's been for quite a long time, and any attempts at peace talks have been blown out of the water before they even got started.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.07 03:56:00 -
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Peace..... whats that?
I think thats the thinking of most of the CA and SA.
Since being a member of the CA all i've known is mining and fighting, and i've had a good time doing both, on TS and that even mining is a laugh tbh sometimes, Tholarim wouldn't agree tho ¼_¼.
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Finderne
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Posted - 2004.02.07 05:55:00 -
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Obviously, 'everyone' and 'hate' is OTT, but here's some things that Curse ppl have done that annoyed some outsiders:
1) Polaris shows up to scout a system for a potential event and is greeted by rude jerks. Mass petitions from CA follow based on various conspiracy theories.
2) In-game news featured an RP article citing NPC's that criticized CA's minmatar corps. The writer was hoping to spark some IC rebuttals, but was met with petition spam from Curse.
3) CA claims 7 regions. Granted most of it is non-station space at the backside of Curse region, and could never belong to anyone other than CA (barring player structures). But annexing GWP was more about greed and appeasing pvpers in CA rather than a defense strategy.
4) When CA vs Evolution fights didn't go CA's way, they accused Evolution of every exploit imaginable (and you guessed it - mass petitions).
5) They have Reclaimer in their ranks. And still haven't killed him in a friendly fire 'accident'.
6) There's tons of ex-CA pirates that are on good terms with CA ppl. Any force that attacks CA has to worry about rear-guard attacks from pirates. CA on the other hand can move around Eve at will, with little interference and often getting help from those pirates. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with CA's policies there. I think other alliances resent CA's advantages in that department.
7) It gets tiresome hearing CA's telling of how they singlehandedly defeated the rest of Eve.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.02.07 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 07/02/2004 06:27:38
Who cares what our enemies think of us?
Besides our reputation keeps most people away from us, so it suits me and CA just fine 
Only Stain and fountain and CFS seemed obsessed with our appearance to others.. Opps..look what happened to fountain and CFS 
To be blunt 99% of Eve doesnt care one way or another about Curse, they know enough to avoid our space and thats it. 99% of the CA couldn't care less if people think we are pirates or carebear roid hugging hippies.
Oh yea.. M0o are friends..so we must be ebil!!!! phear us, also notice that CA doesnt do the backstabbing thang that most other alliances do, a la Omega Corp/Stain.
And as for Peace between SA and CA? Blah..would be hell of a boring game if that happened.
Been kinda fun says in curse the last 4 month, despite every major alliance attacking us at one point or another, we are still here, and stronger than before
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.07 06:20:00 -
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Enemy #1 Fountain Alliance
Reason: SINC/RUS/m0o raided fountain fairly often destroying many of their ships, so a good reason to hate Curse once these corps joined CA.
Enemy #2 Evolution
Reason: (See Above)
Enemy #3 Stain Alliance
Reason: Stain was never overly friendly with the Curse region to begin with. When SINC/RUS/m0o came to Curse they got really paranoid and began their "EVERYONE ATTACK CURSE PLZ" campaign.
Also Stain lost a fair number of battleships to RUS/SINC/m0o in previous engagements in FD-MLJ.
Enemy #4 Curse Coalition
Reason: CC saw that the newly formed CA was very outnumbered by SA/FA and decided it would be better to ally SA/FA hoping to take Curse for themselves instead of doing actual fighting. Of course this never worked out for CC and they fell apart.
Did I miss anyone?
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Brom
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Posted - 2004.02.07 07:07:00 -
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Curse arent bad folks. A lot of the hatred stems from the fact curse is one of two small areas that currently have arkonor. That'll change eventually (suppossedly) when the ore distribution rotates though.
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kisula
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Posted - 2004.02.07 08:08:00 -
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Lol isnt hate such a strong word?
Its a game guys and Curse are playing it well,and as Nirvy so rightly says it would be one hell of a boring game without the current war.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.02.07 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lansfear on 07/02/2004 08:54:09
There's only a handful of people I respect in the CA, GoLeM being one of them, the rest have shown to little restraint in local chat.
I don't like CA for the simple fact they tend to blow up anyone that's not CA. Even if you're not in CA space. This is from multiple contacts with ca, not just one or two.
First time i heard or encountered CA was in B-VIP9, they blew my away without a word at a gate.(as most pirates do) Reading the forums and recognizing alot of CA members posts, you'll find alot of consistant behavior I've noticed.
I don't know, they just don't seem all that different from other pirates.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.02.07 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 07/02/2004 09:34:11
Well, who cares what the entire population, thinks about CA, we are having fun.
This is how far this game has progressed, along the road, we all get a little jaded and cynical.
1on1 most of us are very likeble guys and galls
But hey come to my space and ill shoot you up
But then again, without PvP this game would have been dead along time ago, Not much RP left, and we are all holding our breath and allready waiting for Shiwa patch
Guess we are hooked on this game
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.07 09:37:00 -
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Oracle really don't like it when you interrupt their RP 
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Shamen
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Posted - 2004.02.07 11:08:00 -
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Obviously, 'everyone' and 'hate' is OTT, but here's some things that Curse ppl have done that annoyed some outsiders:
1) Polaris shows up to scout a system for a potential event and is greeted by rude jerks. Mass petitions from CA follow based on various conspiracy theories.
2) In-game news featured an RP article citing NPC's that criticized CA's minmatar corps. The writer was hoping to spark some IC rebuttals, but was met with petition spam from Curse.
3) CA claims 7 regions. Granted most of it is non-station space at the backside of Curse region, and could never belong to anyone other than CA (barring player structures). But annexing GWP was more about greed and appeasing pvpers in CA rather than a defense strategy.
4) When CA vs Evolution fights didn't go CA's way, they accused Evolution of every exploit imaginable (and you guessed it - mass petitions).
5) They have Reclaimer in their ranks. And still haven't killed him in a friendly fire 'accident'.
6) There's tons of ex-CA pirates that are on good terms with CA ppl. Any force that attacks CA has to worry about rear-guard attacks from pirates. CA on the other hand can move around Eve at will, with little interference and often getting help from those pirates. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with CA's policies there. I think other alliances resent CA's advantages in that department.
7) It gets tiresome hearing CA's telling of how they singlehandedly defeated the rest of Eve.
Now Finderne I do find your comments interesting not because they are true or false but the simple fact is "How do you know what the content of other peoples petitions are ?" You are either a employee of CCP,a GM or your indulging in a wild guessing game..If your a gm or work for CCP then that brings into question the ethics of having a player account as well as performing a vital and dare I suggest an impartial role within the game?
As for exploits well I can only recall 1 particular "Extreme use of game mechanics outside CCP's [desired intention of it's use] and that was the cancel warp issue..which was soon corrected following concerns raised by MANY players not just CA members... now I would consider that CA helped CCP and considering the swiftness of the removal of this failure in game mechanics I would go so far as to say that CCP considered it an EXPLOIT
The rest of your post is filled with bitterness,jealousy and envy all of which narrows your perspective and blinds you to the honest truth that you are unable to do anything within the game so you resort to bithin and moanin on the forums. I am sorry that you feel so unhappy that CA has managed to prosper and like all strong alliances expanded its sphere of influence.
If the expansion of CA causes you so much concern then get of your arse and do something about it.
It is funny how CA is seen by outsiders as the aggressors when 90% of all CA military operations take place within curse space..this despite the size of our homelands leaves plenty of other areas for the rest of eve to play in, but yet, enough of you flock to curse to jump on the attack CA band waggon, Hey thats fine by me as many posts from CA and others have said PvP is a vital aspect of EVE and saves us having to root you out ..
As for RP I personally do not care much for the RP aspect but others who play eve do and what better way to really get into your RPing role than to drive a storyline or generate a whole new opportunity for a storyline.. The fact CA is large enough to attempt this is no reason to slam us for it.. anyway I hope that I have not upset too many people and it was not my intention to generate another flamefest.. have fun enjoy eve cos I am
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2004.02.07 11:22:00 -
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OC has now been on both sides of this war and I'll say that both alliances have some good people in them. I don't find the political BS in CA that we experienced in SA and are much happier now.
As for peace I don't believe there can or should ever be peace between SA and CA. It isn't wealth that makes an alliance strong it's the combat experience and their willingness to fight. In that regard both alliances are benefitting greatly from this ancient blood fued.
Since all of 0.0 in the S.E section of Eve is claimed by SA, CA or Xetic (NAP w/CA), OC will attack anything that does not bear a CA or Xetic tag (barring of course friend corps of CA). If you're not CA or NAP with CA then you're either there to aid the enemy or tresspassing... either way it's KOS.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.02.07 12:26:00 -
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CA are the richest and strongest alliance in the game. I have a lot of friends there and our goals often coincide nicely.
CA are hated for a bunch of PR related reasons, because some of the founder corps smacked down evolution and fountain alliance. Although tbh the corps that created foutain were rather far in player composition from the corps that smashed far larger fountain fleets.
So thats why fountain and evolution had problems with them.
Stain and SA had similar problems and have always feared a large alliance moving in next door and have done their best to destabilize and destroy it to maintain their grip on the area.
So there you go :D
CYA!
Staveh
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.07 13:18:00 -
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CA are the richest and strongest alliance in the game.
Ought to be mOo's next target then, since mOo seem only to be interested in proving they can beat everybody...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.07 14:17:00 -
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yer yesterday we beat some NPC battleships
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.02.07 14:24:00 -
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yer yesterday we beat some NPC battleships
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.07 15:32:00 -
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Ah, the whole friends with m0o explains a lot of it. The doing the wars out of habit bit seems to make sense too.
Thanks guys.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.02.07 17:51:00 -
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Oracle really don't like it when you interrupt their RP
No we relly dont like you
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.07 18:45:00 -
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Just what I was hoping for
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
TheFatman
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Posted - 2004.02.07 21:44:00 -
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Why does everyone hate them so much?
I heard they used to have m0o as a part of their alliance, is that why? Or is it because they claim too much of space (not the regular 1 or 2 off limits systems for alliances).
I've also heard claims that they're pirates, but those come mostly from people they're at war with, so that's no horribly impartial.
What's the story?
-T
Simple answer, at least from my point of view, is that they are a pirate alliance. They have and still do support pirates.
The reason it seems that "everyone" hates them, is the pirates they chose to ally with, mainly Moo and Sinc, two corps that were well known for sitting in major travel corridors near, high security space and popping people indiscrimantely.
When they allied with these pirates they claimed they were reformed and all should be forgiven, while most people saw this was obviously a lie, and it was just that the pirates at the time had been taking it on the chin and had also figured out they needed a "carebear" (which most of these pirates supposedly despise) foundation to keep their supplies somewhat steady and give them a place to go for respite from enemies.
Thats as simply as it can be stated, the reason alot of them post "We don't care what anyone thinks of us", is because its fairly obvious what they are.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.07 22:24:00 -
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Quote:
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Why does everyone hate them so much?
I heard they used to have m0o as a part of their alliance, is that why? Or is it because they claim too much of space (not the regular 1 or 2 off limits systems for alliances).
I've also heard claims that they're pirates, but those come mostly from people they're at war with, so that's no horribly impartial.
What's the story?
-T
Simple answer, at least from my point of view, is that they are a pirate alliance. They have and still do support pirates.
The reason it seems that "everyone" hates them, is the pirates they chose to ally with, mainly Moo and Sinc, two corps that were well known for sitting in major travel corridors near, high security space and popping people indiscrimantely.
When they allied with these pirates they claimed they were reformed and all should be forgiven, while most people saw this was obviously a lie, and it was just that the pirates at the time had been taking it on the chin and had also figured out they needed a "carebear" (which most of these pirates supposedly despise) foundation to keep their supplies somewhat steady and give them a place to go for respite from enemies.
Thats as simply as it can be stated, the reason alot of them post "We don't care what anyone thinks of us", is because its fairly obvious what they are.
I forgive you for your ignorance. Do you guys recall the supposed "tax" that you ignorant ppl thought was imposed by Sinister? Well, being privy to the inside info, I still chuckle when I think of that. Sinister, paid in FAR more than than they took out. But, that truth would wreck your spin machine. I have never seen a bigger group of liars that troll than the ooze that resides to our south of our border.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.07 22:32:00 -
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But Mr Reclamimer, you're pirates. The reason is: LOL, DUH.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.07 22:48:00 -
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I forgive you for your ignorance. Do you guys recall the supposed "tax" that you ignorant ppl thought was imposed by Sinister? Well, being privy to the inside info, I still chuckle when I think of that. Sinister, paid in FAR more than than they took out. But, that truth would wreck your spin machine. I have never seen a bigger group of liars that troll than the ooze that resides to our south of our border.
I know I'm spitting into the wind, but....
Let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that Sinister WERE an evil bunch of pirates even after they joined, that they DID impose a tax, and that you're the liar and not him. What would you have posted? You'd have posted exactly what you just did, except that in that case, it would be false.
If you're not the liar, then you'd still post exactly what you did, and it would be true.
But us lot who aren't directly involved, don't know - and possibly even don't care - which side is telling the truth and which isn't, and there's no way of proving either case. So ... why do you guys (on both sides of the argument) even bother posting?
I ask not to insult, but out of genuine curiosity. Given that all your claims are completely worthless, because unprovable ... what do you all hope to achieve?
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