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pain supplier
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.28 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: pain supplier on 28/08/2007 01:18:06
I have seen some of the setups for 0.0 solo mining but what I am more concerned with is suicide gankers in 0.5 and above. Could anyone suggest a setup that would allow me to keep my MLU's. I got Exhumers V so is it just case of whacking on as many shield extenmder II's as possible and waiting for concord ?
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.28 01:19:00 -
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Me and a couple friends of mine once tried to suicide a Hulk in a 0.5... it didn't work out so well.  He had a pair of Gistii SB's IIRC.
I doubt anything will keep you safe if they *truly* want you dead though.
Liang
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.28 01:25:00 -
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My running setup is a sm shiled booster, Passive Therm and Passive EM boosters, and then a Invurn field. That lets me fit my 2x Mining upgrades on there, and gives me some nice resistances (around 75+ on all). If your using the pretty ones though, You should be able to fit active hardeners instead of the Passives, which will give ya even more power.
As said before though, If they want you dead, the'll bring enough firepower to do it.
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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Belce
Caldari
ADAMA Corps
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.28 01:32:00 -
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They can suicide gank freighters in high sec, they can gank your hulk in high sec too.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.28 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 28/08/2007 01:54:51
Anything can be suicide ganked true enough.
However the point of most ganks is for the person doing it to make money, not lose it.
The main Hulk tank described in Halada's mining guide will suit you fine. Its notable component being a Gistii Small Shield Booster. Then slap on some Invul fields for hi sec and you are good to go.
We once figured you'd need at least three Gankageddons to drop this ship before CONCORD nailed you (and this was prior to CONCORD getting buffed). If you do the math that is a money loser for the gankers unless your Gistii survives. If it does they make a bit of cash. If it doesn't they are out a lot. All in all a bad bet (those things always seem to die in the explosion).
A mate of mine had someone try to suicide him with a Myrmidon and a Manticore. Got him to about 60% shields before CONCORD wasted them. They remarked after that they had no idea a Hulk was that resilient.
Of course if someone just hates you and wants you dead then not much you can do except cost them as much money as possible to do it.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 28/08/2007 01:54:51
Of course if someone just hates you and wants you dead then not much you can do except cost them as much money as possible to do it.
That statment is very true. I think the OP's main worry is that it looks like he has some of those new shiney Mining laser upgrades that he's worried about protecting.
If your gonna run with those overpriced things, And see more than one ship pop into the belt and head towards you ,don't sit around and wonder if they are gonna attack you...
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jobie Thickburger
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 28/08/2007 01:54:51
Of course if someone just hates you and wants you dead then not much you can do except cost them as much money as possible to do it.
That statment is very true. I think the OP's main worry is that it looks like he has some of those new shiney Mining laser upgrades that he's worried about protecting.
If your gonna run with those overpriced things, And see more than one ship pop into the belt and head towards you ,don't sit around and wonder if they are gonna attack you...
Be realistic though - if they're organized enough that they're going to suicide-gank you on purpose, they'll have 2 day old alt scan you with a passive targeter and provide the warp-in point.
I know I've provided tons of warp-in points in my Helios.
Liang
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pain supplier
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:07:00 -
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thanks for all the input guys 
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:14:00 -
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In hisec? Use cheap fit and dont sit in belt with other macros. Also be active so you wont be suspected of macroing.
If you use top named stuff (like gistii SB, pith/caldari navy hardeners) you can be sure someone WILL attack you for the goodies inside.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.28 06:32:00 -
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In order to avoid suicide ganks you're best fitted with hitpoints, meaning plates / extenders and resists. Tank isn't going to help much in the few seconds they have to finish you.
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Yolandia
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Posted - 2007.08.28 13:19:00 -
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Does it help to let an alt get Concord into the belt prior to the mining op? Did never test this but I thought it might help if Concord is already around...
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.28 13:25:00 -
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It doesn't.
There is a lot of ships suicide-ganked in 0.5 at the gates. Concord is there, but it's their reaction time that take a while, the "warp to target", afaik, is immediate.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.08.28 13:35:00 -
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wouldn't the best way to avoid getting suicide ganked be to not fit faction boosters and hardeners?
you don't need those for the rats there anyways and be a much less appealing target for pirates.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.08.28 13:37:00 -
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Get yourself a capital oreship. Id like to see them get suicided.
Oh wait they can't enter hi-sec
HAHAHAHA
Freighter pilots I feel sorry for, there is something wrong that they can get popped without any major consequances to aggressors and apart from not using them there is very little that can be done to stop it if the suiciders are persistant enough.
Miners who stay in Hi-sec on the other hand get no pity at all especially ones who use T2 barges.
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nakKEDK
Gallente
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.08.28 13:42:00 -
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suicide(kamikaze) can be way of earning money, so dont fit alot of expensive stuff...
sometimes i suicided a hauler or corvetor in my rax, the cost for a rax with 5 neutrons I 5 hammerheads 5magstabs i is like 2-3 mills after insurance.
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Balcura
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Posted - 2007.08.29 01:40:00 -
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Taking a hauler in high sec with a Rax is a slightly different animal to killing a hulk with good skills and a nasty tank. Most people in it for the cash can pop a covetor or a hauler without taking but a few mil in losses with the results being much good loot, but a hulk has good resists and a lot of shields, armor and hull. Fitting the new mining upgrades may be enough to get a single BS on you, but you should be able to hold that off long enough for concord to kill um off.
Remember with the new mass you can align and warp more quickly... that is also a tactic if the attack is poorly planned.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.08.29 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: nakKEDK
suicide(kamikaze) can be way of earning money, so dont fit alot of expensive stuff...
sometimes i suicided a hauler or corvetor in my rax, the cost for a rax with 5 neutrons I 5 hammerheads 5magstabs i is like 2-3 mills after insurance.
the 5th magstab does nothing, the 4th practically nothing. fit some plates, youll last longer against concord (but you will be slower)
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.29 02:19:00 -
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The risk of being suicided in a hulk is fairly low. Strip miners are worth so much less now, so there's no profit in it anymore. However, i'd go for the standard gistii a-type small sb, and a couple of hardeners.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.29 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 29/08/2007 02:22:20
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
the 5th magstab does nothing, the 4th practically nothing. fit some plates, youll last longer against concord (but you will be slower)
Too bad once CONCORD starts hitting you you are jammed anyway. Fit all damage mods.
If there is any doubt to how hard the 'new' CONCORD hits, here is a log from killing some macronaws
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Minmatar Alt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.29 02:36:00 -
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Id say fit all Damage AND Tracking mods, so you can hopefully hit them every time, and get better shots on them. Probably be better int he long run.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.29 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
The risk of being suicided in a hulk is fairly low. Strip miners are worth so much less now, so there's no profit in it anymore. However, i'd go for the standard gistii a-type small sb, and a couple of hardeners.
To successfully suicide a Hulk in Hi Sec (that has a proper tank and a Gistii on) will cost you at least 70 million ISK in ships (after insurance...and now I am willing to bet it'd take more than that). If that Gistii dies in the explosion you are out a lot of cash.
So, every time you succeed in getting that booster you will net around 55 million. Every time it dies you lose 70 million. I bet if you tested it you will see it die in the explosion more than it lives.
In the long run this is a losing proposition. But don't let me stop you.
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