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Shodar
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:04:00 -
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Takes a little courage (not that much), but first you launch your drones, target the thief, direct the drones to attack, and as soon as they fire you open up with a single salvo from all your ship's weapons. There's a slight lag in Concord getting to you, so you immediately warp to a planet and log for 15-20 mins. Could be a waste of drones, but against a Stower you don't need heavies, and you should have corp mates there anyhow.
Did that the other day in a 0.6 system to an idiot in a Stower - he/she left with about 2% hull and one hell of a lesson Next time I'll have a corp mate web them and demand they eject and ride their capsule home. Hehe.
The funny part is the retard retured about 20 minutes later, got about 30km from us and then just ran like hell. Go figure?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:22:00 -
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But but but, its an exploit if you attack in empire and concord doesnt kill you 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:56:00 -
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Good job, you've found out how to exploit concord to kill people in secure space, and you're bragging about it. Very smart of you. Have a cookie.
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Power
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Posted - 2004.02.08 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Power on 08/02/2004 21:46:41
The ore theif should petition you for exploiting.
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.02.08 21:34:00 -
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.02.08 21:48:00 -
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rofl thx for the idea :D
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.08 22:00:00 -
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That's the great thing about pirates, they're usually as thick as a whale omelette, or alternatively one of them has a new idea once in a while - then can't wait to let EVERYONE know how clever they are and telling us ALL about it.
Were you born retarded or did you have a nasty motorbike accident in your teens?
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.08 22:09:00 -
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Did that the other day in a 0.6 system to an idiot in a Stower - he/she left with about 2% hull and one hell of a lesson Next time I'll have a corp mate web them and demand they eject and ride their capsule home. Hehe.
he escaped.wow. what a lesson.
the lesson, btw, will be taught to your webbing corpmate.
enjoy.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2004.02.08 23:22:00 -
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2004.02.08 23:35:00 -
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Takes a little courage (not that much), but first you launch your drones, target the thief, direct the drones to attack, and as soon as they fire you open up with a single salvo from all your ship's weapons. There's a slight lag in Concord getting to you, so you immediately warp to a planet and log for 15-20 mins. Could be a waste of drones, but against a Stower you don't need heavies, and you should have corp mates there anyhow.
Did that the other day in a 0.6 system to an idiot in a Stower - he/she left with about 2% hull and one hell of a lesson Next time I'll have a corp mate web them and demand they eject and ride their capsule home. Hehe.
The funny part is the retard retured about 20 minutes later, got about 30km from us and then just ran like hell. Go figure?
*Sighs*
I don't exactly see how to be proud of exploiting the code in the game, much less why you post it along with your nickname. Dunno exactly why you are so proud to know how to quick-log out and then get off scot-free.
But I know that I find your post, and your action, rather pathetic.
Congartulations, you've found an exploit. And you've got the courage to logoff after exploiting. Proud day indeed.
-Clipped Wings of LFC
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"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~William Hazlitt
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Shodar
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Posted - 2004.02.08 23:56:00 -
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No, no, no, you don't get it....concord does nothing to the ore thief - they go after the person who fired the first shot, which would have been me. No exploit to fire and run, and although it may seem cowardly do you think it's more honorable to waltz up to someone's ore can and start filling your indy, knowing you're in safe space and the person can't do a damn thing to stop you? Do you all think that's OK? Then come get my ore can...please.
My point is that there is a way to stop an ore thief in safe (0.5 and above) space - it's not an exploit - you risk loosing your ship as well as getting a negative security rating. I was glad that the stower was not completely destroyed, as i don't want the negative sec rating. But I won't twiddle my thumbs while someone waltzes off with my ore. Sorry - thought you might like to know there's a way to teach an ore theif a lesson, not loose your ore, and hopefully lose nothing else as well.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:09:00 -
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No, no, no, you don't get it....concord does nothing to the ore thief
No no no, you dont get it. You're exploiting a flaw in concord to kill people.
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they go after the person who fired the first shot, which would have been me
Except for the fact that you deployed your drones to kill someone and ran away to avoid concord. Nice one.
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No exploit to fire and run
Yes it is in secure areas.
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and although it may seem cowardly
Yes using exploits to kill people because you are lazy and greedy is cowardly beyond your imagination.
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do you think it's more honorable to waltz up to someone's ore can and start filling your indy, knowing you're in safe space and the person can't do a damn thing to stop you?
Yes i think its very honorable to profit off the ignorance and greed of people like your, as you have an option of using SECURE CANS to avoid this situation. But you chose not to use them and exploit to kill people instead.
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Do you all think that's OK?
Yes I think its ok. CCP thinks its ok. Thats all that matters.
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My point is that there is a way to stop an ore thief in safe (0.5 and above) space
Yes its called secure cans.
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it's not an exploit
Yes it is. Ask a GM please.
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you risk loosing your ship as well as getting a negative security rating.
You dont risk anything. You exploit a flaw in the system to kill people in secure areas. Contact a GM and he'll tell you all about it.
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But I won't twiddle my thumbs while someone waltzes off with my ore.
Use secure containers, dont exploit.
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Sorry - thought you might like to know there's a way to teach an ore theif a lesson,
You need some lessons on;
1) Exploiting
2) Bragging about exploiting
3) Teaching people to exploit
4) Secure cans
(OMG QUOTE ATTACK!!  )
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Shodar
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Posted - 2004.02.09 01:09:00 -
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OK, Quote Master
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Except for the fact that you deployed your drones to kill someone and ran away to avoid concord. Nice one.
The drones stop once you are out of control range - deploy drones, take a shot, whatever - same thing.
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Yes using exploits to kill people because you are lazy and greedy is cowardly beyond your imagination.
I'm lazy and greedy beyond my imagination for wanting to protect my own ore? How about beyond YOUR imagination. What the hell does lazy and greedy have to do with saving my ore? You make no sense at all.
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Yes i think its very honorable to profit off the ignorance and greed of people like your, as you have an option of using SECURE CANS to avoid this situation. But you chose not to use them and exploit to kill people instead.
Once again you make no sense at all - if you think it's honorable to steal ore then you are a pirate/ore thief yourself, or whatever you want to call it. Honorable? Try about as low as you can get in this game. There are many that want and continue to press CCP to allow killing of ore thieves in safe zones of this game, and although they officially do not support this it is still the overwhelming sentiment in the game, though perhaps not in this thread which seems to be loaded with the ore thieves themselves.
And although secure cans are available the fact is that most people in the game mine into temp cans - lazy cause i don't wan't so spend millions of isk in secure cans and move them every time I go to a new ore field? -- ahh, I see -- not doing that is lazy, and i guess not spending the millions is miserly, or was it greedy? Hmm...I see...there may be some rational thought somewhere in your comments.
The fact remains that people won't do that unless they are leaving ore and retrieving it later. So that makes them lazy and miserly. Hmm...so because I don't have an alarm system in my home and someone enters in the night and threatens my family, and I blow his head off, I was miserly for not buying the alarm system and deserve to have my house robbed and family harmed?...err, or was that it's honorable for someone to break in and do that? Hmm, too confusing for me.
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You need some lessons on;
1) Exploiting
2) Bragging about exploiting
3) Teaching people to exploit
4) Secure cans
I have been and continue to discuss this with GM's - you'll be surprised that answers differ.
I was not trying to brag or teach about exploits, just trying, in Oh My God Obviously the Wrong Way and Wrong Place, to help people keep from getting ripped off by the real lazy peope in this game - you can read one of the idiots' posts in this general forum today.
Geeze - I take it all back - wave goodby to your ore for now, as doing anything to protect it (short of the non-lazy/non-miserly secure cans) is exploiting - OK, fine - then don't do it if you feel it's exploiting, but I'm more than happy to discuss any ore thief's complaints with a GM - I have already. Sorry, I'll think twice...err...400 times before trying to help anyone again.
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Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.02.09 01:46:00 -
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This is as far as i read.
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OK, Quote Master
boooring.
Viceroy is correct. Don't try argue back.
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will9anthony
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Posted - 2004.02.09 01:52:00 -
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exploit read the updated rules
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.02.09 02:57:00 -
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in attempt to shamelessly hijack the thread (and inspired by will's sig):
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
"I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head."
latin is cool.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.02.09 03:52:00 -
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You know, they should make it so you have to be active and logged on for 15 minutes after your hostile act until CONCORD stops attacking you, that way exploiters like Shoder will be stopped.
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Sinfay
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Posted - 2004.02.09 05:26:00 -
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How is hittin and running exploiting again?
What's so out of the ordinary of police response time?
Hi Sec places were never described as "safe" mreley more police presence
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.02.09 05:33:00 -
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He is exploiting because he is engaging in a hostile act against a person who he is not at war with and who doesn't have a -5 or lower rating, then logging in the system at a safe spot to avoid police retaliation for 15 minutes until they give up on him. CCP has stated that evading CONCORD in this matter is considered as an exploit because he is avoiding the consequences of his actions.
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will9anthony
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Posted - 2004.02.09 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: will9anthony on 09/02/2004 05:34:44
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in attempt to shamelessly hijack the thread (and inspired by will's sig):
will is cool.
thank you
if you attack anyone in empire space , the rule is if you get away from concord and you do not die it is an exploit
geo wont let me link the img, so just copy and paste it on a new window
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t0sha
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Posted - 2004.02.09 07:19:00 -
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.02.09 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: FZappa on 09/02/2004 11:00:58
dude . just ram the bloody bestower .
they have the worst agility , instead of just
sitting there afk mining click approach
on the indi ... it will take about a minute
or two for the indi pilot to get ****ed off
and try to warp out (which would take
about 5minutes more till he can hehehe).
better if u can get a frig using some light
drones to do it .deploy the drones , and the
indi will have to relog to get out
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.02.09 11:55:00 -
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I agree that this is exploiting, and I've read all about how ccp never intended people to use the cans u can jettison into space to mine.
But....
I'd say 90% of players would have used this method to make their money, and ore thieves are damn annoying, no matter how you look at it.
Imagine how slow the game would be for everyone if u could only mine with 1 turret in your hauler, or 7 turrets in your tiny apoc cargo bay.
So in conclusion, ah forget it.
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Thackrar
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Posted - 2004.02.09 12:04:00 -
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Imagine how slow the game would be for everyone if u could only mine with 1 turret in your hauler, or 7 turrets in your tiny apoc cargo bay.
I think Viceroy posted the answer to that earlier. Use SECURE CANS, that's what they are there for.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.09 12:25:00 -
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Using unsecured cans is a case of balancing risk/rewards.
The reward is more ore mined/ferried, the risk is that someone with a hauler will come along and take it as it's been jettisoned and therefore not owned by anyone.
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OmegaPsycho
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Posted - 2004.02.09 12:44:00 -
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But but but, its an exploit if you attack in empire and concord doesnt kill you
good one Omni
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Shodar
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Posted - 2004.02.09 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Shodar on 09/02/2004 13:23:26
OK, OK, you guys win...it's an exploit. I still think morally I'm right, but morality and reality often have little in common. I'll keep up on CCP's rules a little better. Still, most people won't use secure cans for mining large-scale or new belts, and as someone pointed out unsecure cans are a risk/reward thing, but it's too bad that it's not a risk/reward thing for the ore thief too, who only has to fear getting called a bad name (we're still in safe space here obviously).
CCP does need to modify their rule or the game mechanics in some way, otherwise they should should simply set it so that you blow up as soon as you fire on someone, which is essentially the same as sitting there and waiting happily to be destroyed. The reason they haven't done this? Well, there is still debate going on over the issue, and maybe other factors as well. Heh - maybe as soon as you open fire you reappear at your spawn point without dying and with no damage to either ship? I'm just theorizing - what the game mechanics can do I have no idea.
OK, how about this idea while mining - target the ore thief and a nearby asteroid (not too close but not too far), and send the drones (just 1 or 2) to shoot the asteroid, which they will happily and stupidly do (a mistake I've made too many times with NPC pirates)? Will at least get the thief's attention.
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Prometheus Riguus
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Posted - 2004.02.09 13:25:00 -
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A few days ago I killed a few weak NPC rats (not good enough to face the tougher foes yet ). Anyway, when i was traveling with my cruiser to pickup the loot, another player appeared with a faster ship and beat me to the loot. This was very annoying, concidered I did the "hard" work , also this player belonged to a non rat corp, so this ****ed me off abit as well. Unfourtnantly this was a 0.8 system with some CONCORD & Amar gunships close by. The urge to launch my drones at him and beat by him up, while I run away, was very tempting, but I swallowed my pride instead and left. No use starting a fight over some "minor" loot. Next time I might have a bad day and might use the exploit to get my revenge
So in certain cases I do understand that ppl will use them, because that is the only way they can deal with players who steals "your own" loot.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.09 13:38:00 -
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Yeah, just buy a kestrel with 4 cruise missles on it and shoot him to hell and let concord blow up your ship. Problem solved.
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Posted - 2004.02.09 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Maren Kirsan on 09/02/2004 14:07:57
Ok Im now to this game. And a little confused right now. You cannot try to run from CONCORD, that is an exploit? Like if you do break the law in a secure space you MUST die? Thats rather stupid. Why would running from the law be exploiting?
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