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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.02.09 13:56:00 -
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OK, I've been in a similar situation, not mining into jettison cans or anything but with someone taking drop cargo.
Warned the guy off, he went and collected anyway so I opened fire (Pator)...
Now on reflection, that was probably a silly thing to do but being a noob and everything, next thing I know, Concord arrive, so I warp out to a planet, off to another roid belt etc. 15 or so mins pass by, and the cops haven't caught up.
OK, I got a neg sec rating for the action, but I think the important thing is I didn't log, which is where the finger pointing of exploiting comes in, same as PvP when a player logs. If you don't log all you gotta do is play hide and seek for a while.
No problems with Ore thieves myself, I use secure cans. Good luck to 'em I say. If someone is willing to take the risk of mining into jettison cans to reap the higher gains, then you've got to be prepared for your ore to be stolen. Indeed some make a living out of it, the flip side being you also gotta potentially take the consequences of your actions.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead, fire on 'em >0.4 but either fight, or run and hide from the cops, don't just log.
Just my 2p anyway 
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Maren Kirsan
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:10:00 -
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Ok, I didnt catch the run and log off thingy. Cause if you can run after killing someone in secure space thats good. And if CONCORD do chase you I don't see the problem. Can you kill the CONCORD fleet that arrives or are they not killable at all?
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arms
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:59:00 -
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I still don't get why shooting at someone and running before the police is an exploit.
It not like CONCORD or police in real life just materialise when a crime is commited, they actually have to travel there.
So if you shoot someone and run before the police arrive (because they don't just magically appear at a crime) where is the problem?
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.02.09 16:01:00 -
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I still don't get why shooting at someone and running before the police is an exploit.
It not like CONCORD or police in real life just materialise when a crime is commited, they actually have to travel there.
So if you shoot someone and run before the police arrive (because they don't just magically appear at a crime) where is the problem?
Or are you saying CONCORD just jump rather than warp to the point of the said crime?
I don't think that running is the issue, I think the logging off when in trouble is.
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Vogon
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Posted - 2004.02.09 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vogon on 09/02/2004 16:31:43
The fact is most folk sit in their BS's and watch you take their ore daring not to fire......not that I steal ore of course...
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.02.09 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vogon on 09/02/2004 16:31:43
The fact is most folk sit in their BS's and watch you take their ore daring not to fire......not that I steal ore of course...
LOL! Funny that because I was specifically thinking of you when I first saw the thread. 
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Valan
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Posted - 2004.02.10 05:02:00 -
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Spend a couple of weeks training an alt. Equip the alt correctly and log to it when annoyed and go blow them away. Let Concord waste the ship. If a few of your corp members do this your problem will be solved without exploiting. It may also make mining high sec space fun.
Rinse and Repeat!
This all depends on whether indiscriminate killings in high sec space are an exploit.
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TFH PAYN
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Posted - 2004.02.10 12:12:00 -
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i don't see anything wrong with this tactic. also how come no one has blamed CCP for not fixing something that has been in the game since day 1  
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.02.10 15:25:00 -
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Good job, you've found out how to exploit concord to kill people in secure space, and you're bragging about it. Very smart of you. Have a cookie.
theres even better ways to do it im not gonna tell 
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Gale Izzard
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Posted - 2004.02.10 16:59:00 -
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I was recently podded in this way in 0.5 space.
After reading this thread I decided to petition against my foul agressor who wantonly manipulated the game mechanics to pod me into oblivion. I was shocked! whats to stop anyone griefing noobs in this way.
Without going into details about my discussion with the GM and my petition I was suprised to learn it is not a crime to warp away from concord
Please can someone direct me to the section that describes this as an exploit.
Many thanks 
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K'thang
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Posted - 2004.02.10 18:12:00 -
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CCP has stated that evading CONCORD in this matter is considered as an exploit because he is avoiding the consequences of his actions.
Hehe, I was just thinking I was a killer IRL and went out and unloaded into someone if I would just stand there and let the police catch me because I have to face the consequences of my actions.
It is an exploit alright, but there should be a way to do crime in highsec areas aswell and try to get away with it or it'll be a one freekin' big n00bzone forever.
K.
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TFC Grimwill
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Posted - 2004.02.10 18:56:00 -
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The police are never perfect.
Some criminals get away. Some vigilantes get away.
This guy is a vigilante with a lot of support from the majority of the people who live and operate within empire space.
I commend you Shodar.
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Sharon Osbourne
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Posted - 2004.02.10 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sharon Osbourne on 10/02/2004 19:07:18
BLAH BLAH BLAH
1. BLAH
2. BLAH
3. BLAH
DO YOU LIKE PANCAKES MR PIRATE?
Pirate: wel...
IT DONT MATTER IF YOU LIKE PANCAKES SON.
SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR CASTOR MEDICINE.
Shodar, pay zero attention to those guys. They bend and manipulate on a DAILY basis. Why they take time to post in YOUR thread? Because if noone is around to grief in the game they will grief in the forums. These monkeys live for it.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:41:00 -
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More people that can't differ a game mechanical exploit from their own behinds. They are just exceedingly stupid or trolls.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:54:00 -
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Speaking as the best damn ore thief in the game (not to mention the sexiest) I always find it hilarious that I can rob the same person 3 times in the same place in the same evening 'cos they are too damn GREEDY to use a sec can.
All around them are people mining into sec cans which I have to fly straight past to come and take their ore.
Then to round off a perfect evening it never ceases to amaze me how many will fire on me in 1.0 (even in cruisers) and I get to finish the night by taking what's left of their ship after Concord have given them a good spanking
Miners, gotta love e'm, eh?
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.02.11 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 11/02/2004 01:10:11
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Edited by: Maren Kirsan on 09/02/2004 14:07:57
Ok Im now to this game. And a little confused right now. You cannot try to run from CONCORD, that is an exploit? Like if you do break the law in a secure space you MUST die? Thats rather stupid. Why would running from the law be exploiting?
I have to agree with you, CCP messed up bad in this area, if you attack someone and you run and if concord doesnÆt get there in time, i dont see how this is an exploit? So being a pirate and doing hit and run is a exploit by CCPÆs definition because you should stay and die from concord.
so lets see... if instead i attack and manage to some how jump or just go to a moon or planet and just wait it out for 15-20min im exploiting? just because the cops are to stupid?
OH wait stealing from people is not exploit at all.. wow ccp sure got stuff on right... let ppl steal stuff but hitting and running from people is a crime and is an exploit that is more punishable by other actions then that person who is stealing ORE...
LOL if ccp doesnÆt like it... why dont they just make it so that concord spawns regardless were you run to... they just track you down and you will be dead no matter what...
BUT WAIT there toO lazy to fix something, so its exploit
IM so glad i dont have to mine in empire space even if i did i would have a big ass ship enough to with corp mates to stop anyone trying to do that LOL lucky me
BTW what is the difference in LOGGING from concord and just RUNNING and WAITING IT OUT? they dont come after you EITHER WAY so what IS THE PROBLEM?? they would kill you in that 1min of time regardless!! even if you logged IF they showed up!! YOU GET a SEC/faction hit is that not enough of a punishment for the person who wanted to protect his ore and took the consequences of firing on the thief?
its CCP's fault.
so solution dont log off LOL go afk at a planet or moon.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2004.02.11 01:46:00 -
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if your so worried about ore theives then mine in 0.4 or less space. You can happily blow the indys away without concord intervention. You'll still suffer the same sec hit, but its better than exploiting by logging to avoid concord..
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.02.11 01:46:00 -
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I was recently podded in this way in 0.5 space.
After reading this thread I decided to petition against my foul agressor who wantonly manipulated the game mechanics to pod me into oblivion. I was shocked! whats to stop anyone griefing noobs in this way.
Without going into details about my discussion with the GM and my petition I was suprised to learn it is not a crime to warp away from concord
Please can someone direct me to the section that describes this as an exploit.
Many thanks
For the record Gale, i fully expected to get pwned by concord , which is why i only had a few expendable launchers and warpscramblers on my ship, nothing else.
Honestly you can't expect people to just sit there and stare at the police till they wack you, thats just retarded. Petitioning someone cause he doesn't let himself get slaughtered like a lemming is a bit sad imo :/
Running from the cops is just the smart thing to do if there is the slightest chance you can actually survive it! If its not meant to be possible, then it should be MADE 100% impossible. But some half arsed crap like "no, concord doesnt always kill you, but you are not allowed to run either cause thats exploiting" is ridiculous.
Concord a.i. has to be fixed a bit i guess if you're not meant to be able to get away at all.
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Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.02.11 03:31:00 -
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nonsecure can = space junk
salvage law = space junk is free for taking
Now ethics are what make people not steal from cans, but of course some people play unethical people in this game. Quit whining, get over it, and learn to mine in secure cans. Jeez thats why the things were added to the game.
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Gale Izzard
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Posted - 2004.02.11 09:21:00 -
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shakaZ XIV thanks for joining the discussion.
The petition was more of an experiment than anything else.
I was happy to be podded by you (its all part of the game isn't it) and well done for evading concord.
However I think I can bring this discussion to a complete close. The results of my petition are that avioding concord is NOT an exploit and that the only sanction you face for podding in secure space if you manage to get away from concord is your security rating reduction. CCP believe this is sufficient.
Other than that... the simple facts about ore theft: USE SECURE CANS IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR ORE STOLEN.
We take a risk of bounties on us / unpopularity / losing ships and pods. If you fire on us in secure space you take the risk of losing your ships to concord.
Shaka I am a new player but as soon as I get a new iteron... I'll come and see if you have invested in some secure cans
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.02.11 10:46:00 -
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The results of my petition are that avioding concord is NOT an exploit and that the only sanction you face for podding in secure space if you manage to get away from concord is your security rating reduction. CCP believe this is sufficient.
Other than that... the simple facts about ore theft: USE SECURE CANS IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR ORE STOLEN.
We take a risk of bounties on us / unpopularity / losing ships and pods. If you fire on us in secure space you take the risk of losing your ships to concord.
Hoorah! Sense at last.
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Alkanine
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Posted - 2004.02.11 13:43:00 -
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There is an easier way to do this...
Get a kestrel in your mining group.
4 cruise missiles usually gets the job done
then concord comes and blows your ship up oh well it was just a kestrel 
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shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.02.11 15:03:00 -
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shakaZ XIV thanks for joining the discussion.
The petition was more of an experiment than anything else.
I was happy to be podded by you (its all part of the game isn't it) and well done for evading concord.
Other than that... the simple facts about ore theft: USE SECURE CANS IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR ORE STOLEN.
We take a risk of bounties on us / unpopularity / losing ships and pods. If you fire on us in secure space you take the risk of losing your ships to concord.
Shaka I am a new player but as soon as I get a new iteron... I'll come and see if you have invested in some secure cans
i was sure you were an alt  now im feeling sorry lol most ore thiefs are just bored people that made alts just to **** people off (cant imagine it being profitable tbh! Having to scout for victims for ages etc.)
I almost never mine and only did it to get some minerals i needed to build some guns, so i couldnt be bothered with the sec cans. Dont think you will catch me mining in free for all cans anytime soon again... Btw that was the first time i saw a real live ore thief
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However I think I can bring this discussion to a complete close. The results of my petition are that avioding concord is NOT an exploit and that the only sanction you face for podding in secure space if you manage to get away from concord is your security rating reduction. CCP believe this is sufficient.
Im glad to hear its not abusing game mechanics to just warp and hope for the best after attacking someone.
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Joe Blow
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Posted - 2004.02.11 17:33:00 -
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I personally dont have any probs with ore thieves...I mine into a jettisoned can in 0.3....The only issue I see here is that CCP is basically saying to NEWBS...Mining is not even a option till they have the skills for using a secure can....How is a newb supposed to be able to afford the can or the ship to haul it, and the skill to anchor it. Without being able to mine... Not sure myself---I do know that rathunting in 1.0 thru 0.6 is basically useless to the wallet....
I think all the people trying to justify Ore thieving is CRAZY...If u need to justify stealing then u need to be Podded just for being an A@@Hole.....
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Elphaba
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Posted - 2004.02.11 22:36:00 -
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Mining is not even a option till they have the skills for using a secure can
oh nos! you mean they'd have to go back to the station when their hold was full, as was Originally Intended by CCP?
Mining into unsecured cans was an exploit.
CCP has decided that it's not an exploit worth forbidding (given the ability to steal from said cans), and have coded a work-around to it(secured cans) so it's not really a problem. But it's only not a problem because people CAN steal from them. The game was designed around the idea that cargo space would be a limitation on mining profits... to imply that it's not even an option without unlimited access to an obvious exploit is just plain silly.
WRT Concord, from what I have read, it appears that the Punishable Exploit is not "Running from Concord", but "Logging so you don't even have to bother running from Concord". At least that appears to be the line that best fits some of the apparently contradictory statements I've seen mentioned. It also seems the most "fair" interpretation to me -- there is at least some skill/challenge involved in dodging johnny law for the full 15 mins... none at all in warp and log.
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Thomas Covenant
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Posted - 2004.02.12 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Covenant on 12/02/2004 09:27:49
Now that is rich from CCP
Any low life can come steal your work, and any pirate can log to avoid justice, and come back at you later when the odds are better, and that they will not fix, but if you log after killing a low life (doing concord's work for them) to avoid the idiotic response from Concord, then you are exploiting... ha ha
Yep, life make sense again...
Maybe they should chnage the forum name to crime and reward... 
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.02.12 10:45:00 -
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Thanks Shodar for info
To all flamers:
Safe space: lots of cans with advertisments -> not an exploit? ore thiefs -> not an exploit? defending your ore and risking your ship -> exploit? nice, great logic, take a banana for being so "smart", good monkeys
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Gale Izzard
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:22:00 -
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Thanks Shodar for info
To all flamers:
Safe space: lots of cans with advertisments -> not an exploit? ore thiefs -> not an exploit? defending your ore and risking your ship -> exploit? nice, great logic, take a banana for being so "smart", good monkeys
Ok... one last time (and this is not a flame - I am trying REALLY hard to help Arleonenis understand)
Stealing Ore is not an exploit. Actually jet-can mining WAS an exploit. However, since Jet-can mining was vulnerable to ore thievery CCP decided not to remove it but to add secure cans.
While this is still fresh in your mind please take a quiet moment to consider the risks Vs gains of: jet-can mining, Secure Can mining, Ore theft, Attacking ore thieves.
Would you like me to make you a quick reference card? - I'll even laminate it for you.
have a nice day!
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Enriques
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Posted - 2004.02.19 10:17:00 -
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The best thing you can do is have your alt in the same system in a kestrel. Admittedly u have to be fast but its feesable.
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Barl Rathbone
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Posted - 2004.02.19 10:59:00 -
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Mining into unsecured cans was an exploit.
CCP has decided that it's not an exploit worth forbidding (given the ability to steal from said cans), and have coded a work-around to it(secured cans) so it's not really a problem. .
Wrong...
Whilst not forbidding it CCP are changing it so that ore thieving is a criminal offence.
It wont stop ore thieves but it will either hit their sec rating or allow them to be attacked.
As to running away from concord being an exploit that is laughable.
No system, including 1.0 space is 100% safe....
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