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cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.30 10:25:00 - [1] Edited by: cuteboylookingatyou on 30/08/2007 10:28:12 Just FYI it is the new blueprints and they cost about 3 million per slot for such a long job. So a lot of people are doing this now because of the recent patch. This can be fixed 1 slot by 1 slot using Dev powers. It would be a lot of boring and monotonous work if a lot of people did it and even banning these people won't solve the problem if precautions are used to avoid any linkage to their mains. Who will save the empire slots that already have an average of 15 days before your job begins. The average is closer to 25 if we don't include low security and out of the beaten path research stations. Are those empire research alliances that offer up 0.75 slots to all alliance members going to solve the issue? It seems that if CCP does nothing about this then everything will work fine if you take the right perspective. Research alliances are a huge isk sink through alliance costs, corp creation and remote researching costs, office costs, and station maintenance costs. Please think of the chilren.
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:23:00 - [2] I thought you couldn't set any jobs longer than 30 days now except supercaps? ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:(((( Miner Luigi I am! I am a lucky miner! Let me tell you why!
Angel Interceptor	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Luigi Thirty I thought you couldn't set any jobs longer than 30 days now except supercaps? this is researching time efficiency (ironic) I think
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:29:00 - [4] I'm honestly surprised people havent raised more of an issue about this, since it's quite clearly not how blueprints were intended to be used :/ Improve Market Competition!
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:42:00 - [5] I have checked in 2 regions and have not seen any 10y slots in use... where are they being used. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Goodlookin Gus Gallente Viking Research and Production space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Goodlookin Gus on 30/08/2007 11:47:08 now let evry one do this then cancel the job and retrive bpo. but the job still counts. and let us research service have more work. whoo :) btw not all research service is alliance based. mine isent. i research the bpo for you by either handing over the bpo. or ill buy it from npc and research it. check my link in bio for more info :) yay for lesser puplic slots and more job for us :) empire research and bpc sales High sec research service avalible. join channel viking research for more info
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.08.30 12:11:00 - [7] oh snap! I just realised the problem now, lol. Way to go CCP. So who is going to block the empire slots first? The "research" corps, or [RAK]?
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.30 13:56:00 - [8] The OP needs to be banned for having such an annoying name. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.30 14:33:00 - [9] I can't believe that no-one has looked at the costs involved with trying to do this. Most of the more popular NPC research slots cost 1-2k per hour to rent. The bill of materials for research jobs is non-refundable, so each time an unskilled alt does this it will cost approximately 100m isk. There are usually 50 slots per station, about 20 stations per region and about 20 Empire regions. You'd need to spend trillions and trillions to force people out of high sec NPC slots. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Azrael Bierce Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I can't believe that no-one has looked at the costs involved with trying to do this. Most of the more popular NPC research slots cost 1-2k per hour to rent. The bill of materials for research jobs is non-refundable, so each time an unskilled alt does this it will cost approximately 100m isk. There are usually 50 slots per station, about 20 stations per region and about 20 Empire regions. You'd need to spend trillions and trillions to force people out of high sec NPC slots. It costs about 3.3 million actually. Really wouldn't cost all that much to lock vast portions of space.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:42:00 - [11] If only there was something like this for factory slots as well ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:45:00 - [12] i hope to hell you aren't basing your price on the thread i made about the subject because the one i put in was a VERY lucky find and there aren't any other slots like it.......it was about 4% of the usual price of a lab. its hella more expensive than you are saying it is and no not a lot of people are doing it....because its a completely asinine thing to do
cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:59:00 - [13] Originally by: AirWalker i hope to hell you aren't basing your price on the thread i made about the subject because the one i put in was a VERY lucky find and there aren't any other slots like it.......it was about 4% of the usual price of a lab. its hella more expensive than you are saying it is and no not a lot of people are doing it....because its a completely asinine thing to do You did it for years. All someone has to do is about 10 slots in each empire station for 2 months and that will be enough to increase the waiting time overall. If a group got together they could grief all of empire this way and put a few jobs in the less waiting time low security places to top it off.
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:00:00 - [14] Originally by: AirWalker and no not a lot of people are doing it....because its a completely asinine thing to do Welcome to EVE, where asinine is respected as both an art form and a sport. SEARCh- we find sites for you!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:12:00 - [15] Those new blueprints need to be changed so researching them is not possible at all. Afterall, the only use in researching them is to tie up slots. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:17:00 - [16]
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Tamia Clant Those new blueprints need to be changed so researching them is not possible at all. Afterall, the only use in researching them is to tie up slots. does newdawn have stockholders? because that comment from someone in your position in such an industry would be sort of counter productive
Zaphroid Eulthran Minmatar Imperial Visions	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:02:00 - [18] Does the description on the blueprints not state that they can only be used in the Industry Cap Ships own factory slot? I believe that they are impossible to use in station labs, like standard capship BPOs cant be manufactured in Hi-sec. Hi-Sec Industry NEEDS Mini Freighters You know those small corps that actually build stuff.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Luigi Thirty I thought you couldn't set any jobs longer than 30 days now except supercaps? As Conrad Black would do, he would set multiple 29 day, 23 hour jobs :) -- Billion Isk Mission
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran Does the description on the blueprints not state that they can only be used in the Industry Cap Ships own factory slot? I believe that they are impossible to use in station labs, like standard capship BPOs cant be manufactured in Hi-sec. They can be researched in any slot. Originally by: cuteboylookingatyou Are those empire research alliances that offer up 0.75 slots to all alliance members going to solve the issue? I hope so. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.08.31 03:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: AirWalker and no not a lot of people are doing it....because its a completely asinine thing to do Welcome to EVE, where asinine is respected as both an art form and a sport. Profound.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.08.31 04:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I'm honestly surprised people havent raised more of an issue about this, since it's quite clearly not how blueprints were intended to be used :/ how do you propose I shut down a solo production operation then? Local Thread 107-b
cuteboylookingatyou	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:33:00 - [23] How many happy individuals have done this so far? It is a tragedy that new players still put in jobs in empire slots with 30+ day wait times. It would not be a tragedy if 40+day wait times were the norm across all of empire from 1.0 down to low security.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Luigi Thirty I thought you couldn't set any jobs longer than 30 days now except supercaps? As Conrad Black would do, he would set multiple 29 day, 23 hour jobs :) You're allowed one run of ME/PE/production/copying or 30 days, whichever is longer. Otherwise, it would be impossible to research or build from capital ship blueprints. That's why people are getting worked up about these new blueprints- they're very cheap and have ridiculously long research times. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.31 14:32:00 - [25] Originally by: AirWalker Originally by: Tamia Clant Those new blueprints need to be changed so researching them is not possible at all. Afterall, the only use in researching them is to tie up slots. does newdawn have stockholders? because that comment from someone in your position in such an industry would be sort of counter productive Just because having public research labs tied up for years would benefit my business, doesn't mean i have to forcefully agree with it. The queues in public labs are horrible as it is, and i understand that some people just can't afford to join a research alliance for their industry needs, for various reasons. I'm pretty sure CCP didn't intend these blueprints to be used for artificially raising lab queues. I mean, if you look at it, putting one of these in research gives you absolutely no benefit, and you even spend quite a few million ISK to do it. The only thing you achieve is screwing up honest players that just want to get some research done. That's griefing, right there. If this really was intended by CCP, then at least allow mobile labs to be useable by public, instead of just alliance. That way the players can control the supply of lab slots directly. And if someone wants to tie up my slots for 10 years (which will cost you 500 million, by the way) then feel free, those 500 million will buy me quite a few more labs, so you can keep doing it until you run out of cash. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
asgghsfdgsgsg	Posted - 2007.08.31 14:50:00 - [26] To some people 500 million for the laughs at griefing all of empire would be worth it.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.31 16:48:00 - [27] Edited by: Tamia Clant on 31/08/2007 16:51:05 Originally by: asgghsfdgsgsg To some people 500 million for the laughs at griefing all of empire would be worth it. 500m is the cost by ME slot, and since i have 72 of them, it would actually cost the griefer 36 billion. Taking the fact that there are more research alliances out there, some of which have prices of over twice as mine, we can safely assume that it would cost over 200 billion for a griefer just for player-run ME lab slots. Assuming that someone would actually be willing to spend those amounts, 36 billion will buy 400 new mobile labs, which in turn will have 1200 ME lab slots. So as you can see, trying to tie up player-run slots is self-defeating. The problem with public NPC slots is that they don't adapt to demand, and are quite vulnerable to this. Like i said before, if CCP is going to leave this as it is, then players need to be able to provide their own labs directly to public. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
ttrrwafsfamfjkasjf	Posted - 2007.08.31 16:58:00 - [28] griefing all of empire and successfully raising the average wait time of NPC slots by at least 25% of what they currently are is what this is all about.
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:07:00 - [29] Originally by: ttrrwafsfamfjkasjf griefing all of empire and successfully raising the average wait time of NPC slots by at least 25% of what they currently are is what this is all about. everyone get out your tin foil deflector beanies
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:19:00 - [30] Why is it that every little detail that offers danger in highsec = this Just turn the text to griefers* can turn your production corp into a corp needing to produce elsewhere. the term griefer is thrown around a lot these days usually by ignorance or a massive case of head in sand syndrome by the empire hugging party you see there are reasons why people may harass you maybe you have something they want not just because they want to pardon my american "***" with you. Local Thread 107-b
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Tamia Clant 500m is the cost by ME slot, and since i have 72 of them, it would actually cost the griefer 36 billion. Taking the fact that there are more research alliances out there, some of which have prices of over twice as mine, we can safely assume that it would cost over 200 billion for a griefer just for player-run ME lab slots. Good point. The cost is prohibitive in npc stations. Have you considered what would happen if someone were to use it in an outpost's research facility that was set to 0 cost? When people are going to lose an outpost, they often sabotage it. They ruin the production slots by filling them all with shuttles for a month and renew office rents to keep them locked up for 2 months. Wouldn't this allow them to permanantly destroy the labs on a caldari outpost or conquerable station? Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Tamia Clant 500m is the cost by ME slot, and since i have 72 of them, it would actually cost the griefer 36 billion. Taking the fact that there are more research alliances out there, some of which have prices of over twice as mine, we can safely assume that it would cost over 200 billion for a griefer just for player-run ME lab slots. Good point. The cost is prohibitive in npc stations. Have you considered what would happen if someone were to use it in an outpost's research facility that was set to 0 cost? When people are going to lose an outpost, they often sabotage it. They ruin the production slots by filling them all with shuttles for a month and renew office rents to keep them locked up for 2 months. Wouldn't this allow them to permanantly destroy the labs on a caldari outpost or conquerable station? That tactic in its self is messed up to be honest. There should be a "Wreck The Place" option when station changes occur to the victor go the spoils not the sour milk! Local Thread 107-b
Auron Shadowbane Teeth Of The Hydra R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.01 07:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Captian Internet Why is it that every little detail that offers danger in highsec = this you mean total bull****? ^^
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.01 07:34:00 - [34] Griefing is good.. This type of griefing is simply an undocumented exploit IMO.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.01 08:33:00 - [35] As owner of the largest research alliance in the game, I agree completely with Tamia. The BPO's in question have zero wastage automatically, so researching them has zero effect. If this becomes a big deal for any of you researchers out there, click the link under my sig and join the other 500+ people using my towers. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.09.01 08:44:00 - [36] It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Executive Producer EVE Online

Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.01 09:10:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Concise, to the point, and fixes a problem. Thx Oveur.
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.01 09:14:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Damn you! Why can't we get to greif carebears? :(
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Damn you! Why can't we get to greif carebears? :( Get some alts in enemy alliance, then tie up all their research slots for years. Said enemy can't do anything about it, so it does the same thing to your stations. Empire research slots turnr with 6 months+ wait line, griefers add multi-years jobs to the queues. Reseach become almost impossible within 2 months, important parts of the indusrty crumble, you end up paying 30% more for your ships, invention crippled, T2 price skyrocket again, and so on... The thing about griefers in Eve, is that most of their actions have indirect consequences that will end up biting them in the butt. They just don't realise it. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Damn you! Why can't we get to greif carebears? :( Get some alts in enemy alliance, then tie up all their research slots for years. Said enemy can't do anything about it, so it does the same thing to your stations. Empire research slots turnr with 6 months+ wait line, griefers add multi-years jobs to the queues. Reseach become almost impossible within 2 months, important parts of the indusrty crumble, you end up paying 30% more for your ships, invention crippled, T2 price skyrocket again, and so on... The thing about griefers in Eve, is that most of their actions have indirect consequences that will end up biting them in the butt. They just don't realise it. Blame television. It's why most of these kiddies can't understand the concept of penalty / reward over time, wars of attrition, and have a thirty second attention spahey look! A bunny!
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Damn you! Why can't we get to greif carebears? :( Get some alts in enemy alliance, then tie up all their research slots for years. Said enemy can't do anything about it, so it does the same thing to your stations. Empire research slots turnr with 6 months+ wait line, griefers add multi-years jobs to the queues. Reseach become almost impossible within 2 months, important parts of the indusrty crumble, you end up paying 30% more for your ships, invention crippled, T2 price skyrocket again, and so on... The thing about griefers in Eve, is that most of their actions have indirect consequences that will end up biting them in the butt. They just don't realise it. Blame television. It's why most of these kiddies can't understand the concept of penalty / reward over time, wars of attrition, and have a thirty second attention spahey look! A bunny! Oh, but I'm very very aware of this, but you know, I don't take that much damage of this.
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:44:00 - [42] The worst that can happen is that unresearched BPO will become the norm for production, it will raise prices significantly but that wouldn't be the end of everything.
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:45:00 - [43] oh and, it just might force people into lowsec and put up their own POS'es as they'll have to R'n'D them somewhere
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:53:00 - [44] Part of the problem is that it costs much more to research a ship than a low tech module or ammo, but the slot reserved is the same. So slot specialization with fixed prices would help a lot.
dgsdfgasgasgsdfg	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:02:00 - [45] Originally by: AirWalker Originally by: ttrrwafsfamfjkasjf griefing all of empire and successfully raising the average wait time of NPC slots by at least 25% of what they currently are is what this is all about. everyone get out your tin foil deflector beanies Uh maybe you are already wearing them this has nothing to do with any conspiracies...
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:37:00 - [46] Nerf Unpronounceable Forum Alts Local Thread 107-b
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 13:07:00 - [47] Edited by: Drizit on 01/09/2007 13:10:15 I was going to set up a POS in Empire for our corp to use for research. This would allow us to avoid the NPC stations and help reduce the load. The problem is that CCP has put such a high requirement on Empire standings that we just can't do it. This even applies to a lowsec POS. I'm sure many Empire corps would do the same if the standings requirement was lowered significantly to player standings instead of corp standings. It is really annoying that so many systems in Empire have no stations and we still can't put a POS in them. I would have thought CCP would have made it more possible to put a POS in a system with no stations already by having far lower standings requirements for those systems. --
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 13:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Drizit Edited by: Drizit on 01/09/2007 13:10:15 I was going to set up a POS in Empire for our corp to use for research. This would allow us to avoid the NPC stations and help reduce the load. The problem is that CCP has put such a high requirement on Empire standings that we just can't do it. This even applies to a lowsec POS. I'm sure many Empire corps would do the same if the standings requirement was lowered significantly to player standings instead of corp standings. It is really annoying that so many systems in Empire have no stations and we still can't put a POS in them. I would have thought CCP would have made it more possible to put a POS in a system with no stations already by having far lower standings requirements for those systems. .3 space ftw? Local Thread 107-b
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:24:00 - [49] for the record i've checked 4 regions now and i've only found one of these jobs and it was my own...... and thats checking me pe and copy slots
Albert O'Balsam	Posted - 2007.09.01 15:08:00 - [50] Not only is it pretty dificult for a corp to get a POS up in high sec, its just not easy enough to make these slots rentable to the general public. I just cant be bothered with the hassle of making our labs open to the public with all the faffing about that that entails, but if there was a simple way of me being able to make my labs rentable and then just leave it to get on with it - I would do it today.
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Albert O'Balsam Not only is it pretty dificult for a corp to get a POS up in high sec, its just not easy enough to make these slots rentable to the general public. I just cant be bothered with the hassle of making our labs open to the public with all the faffing about that that entails, but if there was a simple way of me being able to make my labs rentable and then just leave it to get on with it - I would do it today. You may be able to join empire research as a pos-owder corp. Talk to Alvara for details. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research
SiJira	Posted - 2007.09.02 17:10:00 - [52] so if someone does this and is petitioned the slot can be completely refreshed as i the job was never placed? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:19:00 - [53] Time to action first one spotted on TQ ,filling petition under exploit atm . 3106 days and 12 hours left for PE lvl 1. For ppl who look to it, it is at hogimo (citadel region) Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Luigi Thirty I thought you couldn't set any jobs longer than 30 days now except supercaps? As Conrad Black would do, he would set multiple 29 day, 23 hour jobs :) And we all know what happened to that ****, now don't we?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: CCP Oveur It's getting fixed. Till then, if it's being done, you can petition it. Damn you! Why can't we get to greif carebears? :( Get some alts in enemy alliance, then tie up all their research slots for years. Said enemy can't do anything about it, so it does the same thing to your stations. Empire research slots turnr with 6 months+ wait line, griefers add multi-years jobs to the queues. Reseach become almost impossible within 2 months, important parts of the indusrty crumble, you end up paying 30% more for your ships, invention crippled, T2 price skyrocket again, and so on... The thing about griefers in Eve, is that most of their actions have indirect consequences that will end up biting them in the butt. They just don't realise it. I seem to remember you screamin EXPLOIT EXPLOIT when you were wardeced and blown up. Your one of these multi alt serial whiners. SKUNK Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.19 12:21:00 - [56] How many people are actually doing this?
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.19 12:36:00 - [57] Edited by: Major Death on 19/09/2007 12:36:27 Quote: How many people are actually doing this? Its EvE, so the question is more 'How quickly will they start?'. In some ways it makes sense to lockdown all the research slots to ruin your competition. I believe that a two Corps, m1cr0$0ft and @PP13 are already doing this in two different regions. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was remove for lack of EVE content! ;)
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.19 13:16:00 - [58] stupid griefers! ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.19 13:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Captian Internet Why is it that every little detail that offers danger in highsec = this my chum assures me that, back at the dawn of IT time, there was a snippet of code that could actually do that. apparently by a combination of setting the monitor's refresh rate to some obscenely high value, and the computer's user leaving their monitor turned on for several hours as it built up to terminal vsync, the poor old CRT would eventually detonate. alternatively, he may be a ******* liar.

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