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Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.30 19:57:00 - [1] Ok the Ares and Eris they are underpowered tbh, the Eris is no good you can tell from the price but the Ares i can give expierience on. It has a split weapon system and is a mother to fit out. So any suggestions would be nice to give them a revamp maybe proper hardcore drone boats that can actally fit tanks or missile boats or maybe something ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:03:00 - [2] Ares=Interceptor Tanks dont belong on ships flying around at 15km/s. its a tackler, and only that. not a drone boat, not a missile boat, not an anything boat but a tackler. Weapon system = t2 scram Tank = lots of speed/agility/mass modules + MWD Eris=Interdictor It is meant to drop interdiction spheres and then die. destroyers cant tank/put out dps anyway, and the interdictor is mean only for its role. its a fleet ship, not a solo omgwtfpwnmobile. stop whining --- RABBLE RABBLE!!
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:03:00 - [3] IMO these ships need to be looked at really there pain's in the rear to fit out to fill a decent roole i'd either like a missile platform or a drone platform or a ? ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:05:00 - [4] Originally by: sov68n Ares=Interceptor Tanks dont belong on ships flying around at 15km/s. its a tackler, and only that. not a drone boat, not a missile boat, not an anything boat but a tackler. Weapon system = t2 scram Tank = lots of speed/agility/mass modules + MWD Eris=Interdictor It is meant to drop interdiction spheres and then die. destroyers cant tank/put out dps anyway, and the interdictor is mean only for its role. its a fleet ship, not a solo omgwtfpwnmobile. stop whining So why can a crow be used as a omgwtfpwnmobile, and you know the first sabre you come into your gonna die because you can't keep at range because your webbed and even if you do mamnage to keep orbit at 3.5km a sec he can still hit you. So stfu what do you fly Crow ? Oh wait your not gallente your caldari so its a omgwtfsolopwnmobile crow ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:07:00 - [5] this game is full of imbalances. get over it. the caldari interceptor happens to be better than the gallente one at pvp. stop complaining because gallente already have ALOT of REALLY GOOD pvp ships. does CCP have to nerf every good caldari ship just cuz its one of the FEW that actually outdo the gallente? --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:10:00 - [6] You are gallente. You already got pretty much the best in all the other ship classes: af - ishkur cruiser - thorax hac - ishtar and now deimos recon - arazu, lachesis battlecruiser - myrmidon commandhips - eos and astarte and all your bs are great too. Can't you for once stop whining if u have a couple of ships that arent "the best". After races like caldari and amarr get their ships boosted to appropriate level you can start whining about your gallente ships. ---------------------------------------
achoura	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:29:00 - [7] I wouldn't call them underpowered, but difficult to fit yes, since armour cpu was tweaked but ship cpu wasn't (ishtar has the same trouble now but meh). As for your poor eris, well you can fit a mwd and bubble but thats about it, almost impossible to fill the rest with guns but its the 2 mid slots that kill it, even the heretic has 3 but as the previous poster said it's an exception although "best" was an ignorant term to use . You can get a decent turn of speed out of it (but not fit a rep) or tank (and fit an ab ) but thats about it, while it would i admit, be nice to be albe to actually fit the mwd, bubble and a full set of guns that about the only change your likely to see. Ccp arnt akin to altering slot layouts. That said it can drop a bubble and run, which is all dictors are really intended to do, but who want to sit and watch a fight when they could be in it .
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 20:41:00 - [8] Originally by: sov68n Ares=Interceptor Tanks dont belong on ships flying around at 15km/s. its a tackler, and only that. not a drone boat, not a missile boat, not an anything boat but a tackler. Weapon system = t2 scram Tank = lots of speed/agility/mass modules + MWD Eris=Interdictor It is meant to drop interdiction spheres and then die. destroyers cant tank/put out dps anyway, and the interdictor is mean only for its role. its a fleet ship, not a solo omgwtfpwnmobile. stop whining hahaha oh wow T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.30 21:08:00 - [9] Originally by: sov68n Ares=Interceptor Tanks dont belong on ships flying around at 15km/s. its a tackler, and only that. not a drone boat, not a missile boat, not an anything boat but a tackler. Weapon system = t2 scram Tank = lots of speed/agility/mass modules + MWD Eris=Interdictor It is meant to drop interdiction spheres and then die. destroyers cant tank/put out dps anyway, and the interdictor is mean only for its role. its a fleet ship, not a solo omgwtfpwnmobile. stop whining Trumpets please... ... sabre enter. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Taguchi Hiroko Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:04:00 - [10] I don't fly dictors, but Ares is not the greatest of its class, sure, or even come close. Still, it makes a great tackler, with a disruptor II and a mwd II fitted, nanofiber or overdrive injector in low, you would lock down anything in a second and pin it down and keeping at range, while the big guys arrive. You might get blown up as a tackler, so what? It's cheap so it's perfect for that purpose.

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:18:00 - [11] Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. That's both faster, and more damaging than a Sabre. The thing it can't do whilst doing this, is fit a medium shield extender (well, not if you want a web, which you really really do), but if you want to protest the Eris can't passive shield tank, I really am going to laugh. Split weapons are only really a problem on ships which you're intending to fit damage mods to. You don't tend to do this with a smaller ships anyway. Homogenous weapon systems are rather nice, I agree. But it's hardly the case that it's commonplace - of Caldari and Minmatar, there's really not all _that_ many which have that luxury.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko I don't fly dictors, but Ares is not the greatest of its class, sure, or even come close. Still, it makes a great tackler, with a disruptor II and a mwd II fitted, nanofiber or overdrive injector in low, you would lock down anything in a second and pin it down and keeping at range, while the big guys arrive. You might get blown up as a tackler, so what? It's cheap so it's perfect for that purpose. This is true, but what's cheaper? A T2 fit crow you don't lose (Let's say 40m high estimate) or 4 ares you do lose (10m low estimate)? The same applies to sabres and erises. The fact is, all races' ships are all competitive in their own right. The crow is a good point holder. The taranis deals good dps. The crusader is fantastic anticeptor. The claw can have sick dps and if it can lock you is also great anticeptor. The stiletto and male are also fantastic ships. However, the raptor and ares are just garbage. You can say they're great throwaway, but they're just crap. Whether that's the reason they're cheap or not is no excuse. The crow has MORE grid and MORE cap than the raptor, and the raptor is supposed to be a RAIL ship? I don't think so. Again, the same applies to dictors. The flycatcher has good range with its standards, and they do good damage to small things. The sabre is all around the best tbh, dual MSE and can deal damage out of web range. The heretic deals more damage out of web range but its dps drops to 0 outside of rocket range. All three can run point or MWD + weapons without breaking a sweat and has minimal issues tracking. But the eris? Its guns use CAP, and it has NO passive hitpoint buffer that doesn't slow it down. Just fit a PLATE? To the second heaviest dictor? Let's go ahead and make it heavier than the flycatcher, and still give it no chance to cap inject to keep its stuff running because it has just 2 mids. The fact of the matter is the Eris is total crap, and will stay that way until it gets redone like the heretic. It needs to be lighter or get higher speed. It needs to lose the falloff bonus and get another, if not TWO more missile slots. It needs to lose hybrid bonuses all together. I know I wouldn't mind seeing Eris MK2 be thermal damage at range, maybe +5% in explosion radius in exchange for +10% thermal damage. T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:28:00 - [13] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/08/2007 22:28:17 Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. That's both faster, and more damaging than a Sabre. The thing it can't do whilst doing this, is fit a medium shield extender (well, not if you want a web, which you really really do), but if you want to protest the Eris can't passive shield tank, I really am going to laugh. Split weapons are only really a problem on ships which you're intending to fit damage mods to. You don't tend to do this with a smaller ships anyway. Homogenous weapon systems are rather nice, I agree. But it's hardly the case that it's commonplace - of Caldari and Minmatar, there's really not all _that_ many which have that luxury. Sabre goes 5km /s quite easily, does around 160dps with barrage s and has falloff 10km while having 2.1k shield and room for web and disruptor, basicly making anything smaller than cruiser totally obsolete. (all other dictors included) -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:33:00 - [14] Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. That's both faster, and more damaging than a Sabre. The thing it can't do whilst doing this, is fit a medium shield extender (well, not if you want a web, which you really really do), but if you want to protest the Eris can't passive shield tank, I really am going to laugh. Split weapons are only really a problem on ships which you're intending to fit damage mods to. You don't tend to do this with a smaller ships anyway. Homogenous weapon systems are rather nice, I agree. But it's hardly the case that it's commonplace - of Caldari and Minmatar, there's really not all _that_ many which have that luxury. And all it takes is a yellowbox lock for you to explode. Seriously. If you're going to play the "THE SHIP CAN DO EVERYTHING THE SABRE CAN" line at least put in "BUT NOT ALL AT ONCE." The sabre can do everything the eris can WITHOUT dying. It can get 200 dps out of web range, it can go 5 km/s CHEAP setup (8KM/S expensive non-snaked), it can get 3K shield HP on a standard setup. It doesn't matter how much more DPS an eris can get, it matters how survivable the eris is with that dps. And the sabre can do all of that without the slightest fitting issues, which the eris has way too much of. And this is coming from a long time eris pilot that trained min frig V just for the sabre. T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:43:00 - [15] ares needs less mass for my taste. if its a missle ship like roden shipyards discribe, it should be similar to the crow which is an insane lowweight for a longrange missle ship. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:51:00 - [16] Ares is fine, it is a long range tackler, it goes fast and does 50dps, just like all the other long range ceptors. Plus we have the ranis which is the god of all inty 1v1's (or at least one of the gods). The Eris is pretty crap, Its good at dropping bubbles and then dying because it is cheap. It however fails solo and fails at the anti-inty role. I like the fact that the other dictors can happily destroy intys while they drop bubbles then you get the Eris which TBH would struggle to take out an incursus... Still, crosstraining FTW /me eyes up the sabre and stiletto
Petter Sandstad Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:55:00 - [17] As an owner of an Ares bpo, I would very much like it to be a much better ship.
RazielZian	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:02:00 - [18] Ok im sure im not the only person thinking this but seriously if you want to use the best out there all you have to do is train the skills, then talking about purely flying the crow/ares the only difference is gallente/caldari frigate skills.... not exactly long skills to train... So please stop whining, CCP will not change the ships unless they find a valid reason to do so, so take it from someone who flys mostly gallente ships, we have a damned good deal already...
aUTOKILL Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:11:00 - [19] i luv mai ares' they fit in with my enyo's in the pink section of my hanger ~~~~~~ Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov "Wanna come back to my place for some pew pew?" Originally by: lofty29 I HEREBY DECREE THAT FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, DARK SHIKARI IS TO BE REFERRED TO AS "DUTCH CURRY"
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:11:00 - [20] Thinking about it what I would really love to see are new dictors, so Gallente would get a creodron version or something, amarr get a carthum one? and so on... Maybe Im just suffering from some "new shinys" jealusy because of khanid MKII

Jai Cee Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:27:00 - [21] Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. Please tell me what setup does both these things? I've come up with a few Eris setups and it comes down to speed with pathetic DPS and almost no cap or reasonable damage at extreme close range but poor speed and no way to keep ships in range due to only 2 mids. Please don't give all that rubbish about Gallente being best in all ship classes in every ship class there is another races ship as good or better than Gallente. All thats being asked is that ships should be balanced not better than the competition. The Eris and Ares are significantly sub-par and if you disagree then give some cold hard numbers and show me why they are actually better than I think.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.08.31 01:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Jai Cee Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. Please tell me what setup does both these things? I've come up with a few Eris setups and it comes down to speed with pathetic DPS and almost no cap or reasonable damage at extreme close range but poor speed and no way to keep ships in range due to only 2 mids. Please don't give all that rubbish about Gallente being best in all ship classes in every ship class there is another races ship as good or better than Gallente. All thats being asked is that ships should be balanced not better than the competition. The Eris and Ares are significantly sub-par and if you disagree then give some cold hard numbers and show me why they are actually better than I think. While I agree the Eris is subpar. I honestly think the Ares does the whole zoom zoom, out of web range, 50dps job pretty much as well as the other long range focused ceptors.
David Ryan Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 02:20:00 - [23] The ares is sexy for fleet tackling, 4 lows is awesome. a little low on dps but it still gets the job of tackling in a fleet done just as well as any ceptor, better than lots. -------------------
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 18:35:00 - [24] Im not asking for the Crow to get nerfed just the raptor eris and ares be improved a lil bit wether it be a complete re-vamp like khanid mk II? or Increase pg / cpu or give it special bonuses to tackling. Oh and while we are on the topic im assuming all the pink ships are the same people why are some dedicated rail and others split ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Lao Cheng	Posted - 2007.08.31 20:16:00 - [25] Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. That's both faster, and more damaging than a Sabre. The thing it can't do whilst doing this, is fit a medium shield extender (well, not if you want a web, which you really really do), but if you want to protest the Eris can't passive shield tank, I really am going to laugh. Split weapons are only really a problem on ships which you're intending to fit damage mods to. You don't tend to do this with a smaller ships anyway. Homogenous weapon systems are rather nice, I agree. But it's hardly the case that it's commonplace - of Caldari and Minmatar, there's really not all _that_ many which have that luxury. Whatever your smoking give me a whiff or the whole thing and more
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:19:00 - [26] After just playing around in EFT with all skills level 5 and fitting the following: [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] 1MN MicroWarpdrive II [empty med slot] 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Seems gess what even that doesn't fit with perfect skills your still 6.25 cpu over with an extra med and 4 lows left, anyone care to explain that now lets compare it to the sabre: [empty low slot] [empty low slot] 1MN MicroWarpdrive II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Improved Cloaking Device II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] 212 / 285 cpu used and 29.8 /72.5 powergrid used with the same tier (more guns also on the sabre) compared to the Eris's 248.75/242.5 and 55/77.5. Now the Sabre has 2 lows and 3 med slots left a total of 5 slots remaining, the Eris has 1 High slot (WTF is supposed to go here, a rocket launcher rofl) he Eris has 4 Low's a Medslot a Highslot which are empty a total of 6 slots. Anyone got any counter arguements??? Now if your not gonna change much either give it another 2 missile hardpoints take out its turret bonuses replace with missile bonuses and give it more powergrid and cpu drastically to make it inline with the other interdictor (I used sabre as this is a turret Interdictor also) Or take out its missile bonus give it another turret slot and give it a damage bonus or another tracking bonus. Give it more cpu, powergrid doesn't seem to be much of an issue atm and btw right off the bat with just mwd's involved and same skills Eris: 835m/s and Sabre 963 m/s, ill tell you the speeds with lows and then lows and rigs: With 3 o/d + 1 nano and 2 od the speeds are: Eris: 1464 m/s Sabre: 1356 m/s Now with 2 nano and 3 nano and 1 od: Eris: 1315m/s Sabre: 1190 m/s Now with Overdrives + 1 nano and 2 overdrive + Polycarbon Engine Housing Rig's to both: Eris: 1801 m/s Sabre: 1757 m/s Now with those setups the signature Radius's are as follows: Eris: 516m2 Sabre:450m2 Also with those setups : (May i remind you the Eris setup doesn't fit either but persumably, with max skills and closest range ammo: Eris: 133DPS 266 Alpha - reduces speed to 590 m/s Sabre: 203 DPS 493 Alpha Now your probably thinking why am i comparing railguns to Autocannons: Reasons to be able to stay on par speed wise with a Sabre the Eris needs to use all it's low's, Now that leaves it with 1 med and no cpu so no tank there, or u can take out the lows, wait now you can't cause nothing will fit, now onto the Sabre setup i can put on: 2 Medium F-s9 Shield Extender I's, now that leaves me with 262 / 285 cpu and 71.8 / 72.5 powergrid. Now the sig radius: Eris: 516m2 Sabre: 510m2 Now if u get a 1% turret powergrid usage reducing implant you have enough powergrid to probably squeeze on a web. But now the Sabre has more DPS, 44 less speed, can run its setup forever wheras the eris for 1m 56s, Smaller sig radius then a Eris aligns faster than a Eris locks faster than a Eris and can take mor of a beating than a eris and can actually fill its slots up and not have to worry to much about going close range because its not a paper bag oh and incase your wondering it end up with 3468 shield HP. NOW ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ARGUEMENTS P.S. How on gods earth did you get a Eris to 6km a sec without implants or Faction mods care to explain? ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:24:00 - [27] STOP WHINING There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs: FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!! CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. so again, STOP WHINING --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:28:00 - [28] Originally by: sov68n STOP WHINING There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs: FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!! CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. so again, STOP WHINING First of all im not whining i am merely fighting my case with facts not: OMG CCP NO DON!!! J00 can't do that!!!111eleventyone Gallente Ar3 liek too ub3r 1337 h4x! You fight a case like i did show me facts and just so you now Gallente are supposed to be kings of Close Range combat and thats where most pvp takes place so it's natural that the shops kick you in the nuts in that type of combat. But there not all overpowered or suberb there good yes, Ishtar would get wtf pwned by a vaga deimos gets killed by any ship wichi can tank it for a few mins. Myrmidon again killed by any ship that can tank its drones and deal damage from 15km, ishkur killed by a wolf see lack of lows and massive explosive hole. Any other suggestions? ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:30:00 - [29] yea i have a suggestion, make this into a discussion about how the eris and the ares suck, and not into one about requesting a boost/nerf, cuz unless hundreds of ppl sign it, it wont get done. --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:35:00 - [30] Originally by: sov68n yea i have a suggestion, make this into a discussion about how the eris and the ares suck, and not into one about requesting a boost/nerf, cuz unless hundreds of ppl sign it, it wont get done. Well after talking to DEVS the other day they have more chance of implementing something if it is discussed with arguements and counter arguements not just /signed /signed /signed shows how much you know and omg you just got pwned can't come up with an arguement rofl Back into your dungeon troll ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...



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