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sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:36:00 - [31] when it gets implemented you can talk --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:41:00 - [32] Originally by: sov68n when it gets implemented you can talk Please either stfu and stop trolling before the thread gets locked or make some suggestions and lets see you try. ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.01 00:01:00 - [33] well, tbh the eris doesnt need to be boosted, just fit properly. x1 Interdiction Sphere Launcher x1 1MN Micro Warpdrive II x3 Nanofiber Internal Structure II x1 Overdrive Injector System II This lets the eris accomplish its mission, interdicting warp traffic, and nothing more. The interdictor is a specialized fleet vessel, and as such it is not meant to do any dps, but instead perform its specific role. Which is interdicting warp traffic. and seriously, dictors are just t2 destroyers, which means they are only meant to pop frigs, and nothing else. So enough rails/blasters to kill a frig is all you need. maybe 4 or 5 will do it with proper skills. but usually dictors are primaried in fleet combat, so optimizing your fitting to gtfo of the bubble you just dropped and warp is better than using your PG/CPU on weaponry. theres my opinion. --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Kita Radeon Gallente Hakata Group	Posted - 2007.09.01 01:27:00 - [34] Originally by: sov68n STOP WHINING There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs: FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!! CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. so again, STOP WHINING omg... please shut the hell up The only thing worse then a pointless 'OMG BOOST MA SHIPZ' (which Im not sure this is) is a pointless flame... real constructive there m8
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.01 01:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Kita Radeon Originally by: sov68n STOP WHINING There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs: FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!! CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. so again, STOP WHINING omg... please shut the hell up The only thing worse then a pointless 'OMG BOOST MA SHIPZ' (which Im not sure this is) is a pointless flame... real constructive there m8 naaah, that flame had a point =P --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Abye Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:10:00 - [36] Originally by: sov68n and seriously, dictors are just t2 destroyers, which means they are only meant to pop frigs, and nothing else. So enough rails/blasters to kill a frig is all you need. maybe 4 or 5 will do it with proper skills. Try to kill a frig that lands in your bubble without additional tackling gear and the puny armament the eris has. It will just MWD out and warp off. I bet you don't fly dictors when you keep telling it is so great to pop out a bubble and just hope you don't get primaried. ___ Inappropriate signature. Please do not use this signature. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:51:00 - [37] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 01/09/2007 02:55:14 Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Kita Radeon Originally by: sov68n STOP WHINING There are PLENTY of other kickass gallente ships out there. if the eris and ares dont fit your needs: FLY ANOTHER GOD DAMN SHIP!!! CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. just get over the fact that there are actually two gallente ships that aren't superb ships. if these two DO get boosted, there will be even MORE of an imbalance, as the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. so again, STOP WHINING omg... please shut the hell up The only thing worse then a pointless 'OMG BOOST MA SHIPZ' (which Im not sure this is) is a pointless flame... real constructive there m8 naaah, that flame had a point =P Heres a point for you. Sabre is perfect, Heretic and Flycatcher just got boosts. Eris needed a boost more than the Flycatcher did. It needs to be brought in line with the others, even if it still ends up being the worst out of the four. This is coming from someone else who just training Minnie Frig 5 for the Sabre. Edit: Ares is still fairly crappy and it does suffer from stupid fitting problems like the Eris. But the gap between it and other 'ceptors isn't that bad. Raptor needs a tweak just as badly, if not more than the Ares does. Rabblerabble -Sahwoolo
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.01 08:07:00 - [38] Originally by: sov68n well, tbh the eris doesnt need to be boosted, just fit properly. x1 Interdiction Sphere Launcher x1 1MN Micro Warpdrive II x3 Nanofiber Internal Structure II x1 Overdrive Injector System II This lets the eris accomplish its mission, interdicting warp traffic, and nothing more. The interdictor is a specialized fleet vessel, and as such it is not meant to do any dps, but instead perform its specific role. Which is interdicting warp traffic. and seriously, dictors are just t2 destroyers, which means they are only meant to pop frigs, and nothing else. So enough rails/blasters to kill a frig is all you need. maybe 4 or 5 will do it with proper skills. but usually dictors are primaried in fleet combat, so optimizing your fitting to gtfo of the bubble you just dropped and warp is better than using your PG/CPU on weaponry. theres my opinion. No, seriously, if you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about just get out. Just leave now. If interdictors were MEANT to ONLY drop bubbles, they wouldn't have gun bonuses. They wouldn't have high slots, or low slots, or mid slots. They wouldn't have to worry about mwd or point. They'd click a button that comes with the ship and a bubble would be put down. There would be no modular nature to it. That's all it would be. Guess what! It can fit modules! It can do stuff like that, because the devs MEANT for it to be able to. And guess what else! All the other dictors are way, way better. They have more damage. They have more tracking (or none at all). They have more hitpoints. They're faster. They don't cap out from running guns and MWD, or guns and point. When nossed dry they can still shoot too! ALL of them now! Oh wow, it's like they're trying to get a point across that the Heretic wasn't good before, so they changed it and now it's less bad, hell it's even better than the standard flycatcher! Stop talking about things you know nothing about, seriously. It makes you look bad to your peers on the internet. Quote: CCP does NOT have the time to code for every little whine that people put on the forums. especially boosts/nerfs because of imbalancing issues. Yes they do. They prove this time and time again. More than that, they damn well better, because the less enjoyable this game is the less people will play it. Considering the playerbase we have today, I'd say they're trying their darndest to keep us happy, and I somehow doubt they'll stop at the Eris and Roden in general after the Khanid changes. Quote: the gallente will no longer have a ship that can be shown up by another race's. Hahaha oh wow, ok, seriously just get out little troll Anyway @ OP, here's a link to a thread you might like. It's a bit old by now and all, but it's still pretty good. You can ignore my own proposal on page 2, these days I say just give it 2 more missile slots and give it 8/3/3 slot layout, not that I even fly the things anymore. I learned after getting in the Sabre the immense difference the cap use on rails really does make T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Jai Cee Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.01 13:36:00 - [39] Originally by: sov68n well, tbh the eris doesnt need to be boosted, just fit properly. <snip> This lets the eris accomplish its mission, interdicting warp traffic, and nothing more. I can only think that you've never flown an interdictor before or to be honest been in 0.0 otherwise you would have seen that interdictors are probably the most important small gang ship there is. Interdictors whilst important in fleets (and that setup is about all you need for fleets) are just as important in small gangs where they need to bubble and tackle. Unfortunatly the Eris can barely tackle, using any reasonable setup (one that has a T2 MWD and T2 Disruptor) the Eris has plain sucky survivability and DPS. Compare it to the all the other interdictors and its not even in the same league both in ease of fitting and suitability for its role which is frigate killing and warp prevention.
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.01 13:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Jai Cee I can only think that you've never flown an interdictor before or to be honest been in 0.0 I'm in 0.0 right now and have been here for 5 months. Check my alliance, KOS lives in 0.0. and I've seen SOO many fleet battles where all the dictors did was drop bubbles. even heretics and sabres. I also watch them get primaried and destroyed because they were trying to kill things instead of get safe so they could be with the fleet to drop more bubbles, especially in fleets where we have limited dictors. You didn't see the dictors shooting at anything when Shrike was dying did you? --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!

Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:13:00 - [41] Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Jai Cee I can only think that you've never flown an interdictor before or to be honest been in 0.0 I'm in 0.0 right now and have been here for 5 months. Check my alliance, KOS lives in 0.0. and I've seen SOO many fleet battles where all the dictors did was drop bubbles. even heretics and sabres. I also watch them get primaried and destroyed because they were trying to kill things instead of get safe so they could be with the fleet to drop more bubbles, especially in fleets where we have limited dictors. You didn't see the dictors shooting at anything when Shrike was dying did you? You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ? In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser. ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
sov68n Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:34:00 - [42] Edited by: sov68n on 01/09/2007 14:35:15 Originally by: Lydia Browm You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ? In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser. yea... this entire time i was arguing for the fleet dictors. if you meant the small gang dictors then yea, they need dps, but i mean, the best option would be to simply train Caldari Frigate 5 and use the Flycatcher, since you wouldnt have to train any new gunnery skills and missle skills aren't that difficult to train to; and the Eris won't be boosted for awhile if it ever does. edit: added more information --- the KOS killboards nerfed our kill sigs!!!
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:40:00 - [43] Originally by: sov68n Edited by: sov68n on 01/09/2007 14:35:15 Originally by: Lydia Browm You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ? In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser. yea... this entire time i was arguing for the fleet dictors. if you meant the small gang dictors then yea, they need dps, but i mean, the best option would be to simply train Caldari Frigate 5 and use the Flycatcher, since you wouldnt have to train any new gunnery skills and missle skills aren't that difficult to train to; and the Eris won't be boosted for awhile if it ever does. edit: added more information You don't get it do you, why should I have to train for another race ships, if this was the case why were Khanid Mk II introduced??? Explain that to me why didn't the dev's just say "Train Caldari!" ? Whats the matter you gota Heretic / Sabre / Flycatcher BPO ? ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Jai Cee Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. Please tell me what setup does both these things? I've come up with a few Eris setups and it comes down to speed with pathetic DPS and almost no cap or reasonable damage at extreme close range but poor speed and no way to keep ships in range due to only 2 mids. Please don't give all that rubbish about Gallente being best in all ship classes in every ship class there is another races ship as good or better than Gallente. All thats being asked is that ships should be balanced not better than the competition. The Eris and Ares are significantly sub-par and if you disagree then give some cold hard numbers and show me why they are actually better than I think. OK: Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Faster than a Sabre. More DPS than a Sabre. Using faction antimatter, and faction rockets, and a hobgoblin II, that's 180dps. (Which I admit, is less than the 200 I quoted, because you need the sphere launcher). It'll do 6551m/sec too. Has enough CPU for a damage mod (208dps), if you're prepared to lose the nano (and be down to 6144 m/sec, which still compares fairly well with the sabre on 6390). Admittedly, the Sabre is going to be able to fight outside web range (although, it's healthily into it's falloff at that point, so isn't doing the 'paper' 160dps). So's the flycatcher (which is doing all of it's 80 dps, assuming the opponent isn't outrunning it). And ... this ship just can't passive shield tank. But if the complaints about it are because it's a gallente ship, that's short range and can't passive tank, I'm going to laugh. To say it's not as good as the sabre? Well, no, it isn't. Then again, neither are any of the other 'dictors. So it goes.
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.01 15:03:00 - [45] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Jai Cee Originally by: James Lyrus Eris will do 6500 m/sec and do >200dps. Please tell me what setup does both these things? I've come up with a few Eris setups and it comes down to speed with pathetic DPS and almost no cap or reasonable damage at extreme close range but poor speed and no way to keep ships in range due to only 2 mids. Please don't give all that rubbish about Gallente being best in all ship classes in every ship class there is another races ship as good or better than Gallente. All thats being asked is that ships should be balanced not better than the competition. The Eris and Ares are significantly sub-par and if you disagree then give some cold hard numbers and show me why they are actually better than I think. OK: Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Faster than a Sabre. More DPS than a Sabre. Using faction antimatter, and faction rockets, and a hobgoblin II, that's 180dps. (Which I admit, is less than the 200 I quoted, because you need the sphere launcher). It'll do 6551m/sec too. Has enough CPU for a damage mod (208dps), if you're prepared to lose the nano (and be down to 6144 m/sec, which still compares fairly well with the sabre on 6390). Admittedly, the Sabre is going to be able to fight outside web range (although, it's healthily into it's falloff at that point, so isn't doing the 'paper' 160dps). So's the flycatcher (which is doing all of it's 80 dps, assuming the opponent isn't outrunning it). And ... this ship just can't passive shield tank. But if the complaints about it are because it's a gallente ship, that's short range and can't passive tank, I'm going to laugh. To say it's not as good as the sabre? Well, no, it isn't. Then again, neither are any of the other 'dictors. So it goes. Please check my maths on page 1 ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.01 15:35:00 - [46] ....And while your at it, how about giving the Exequorer a energy neutralizing and web range bonus too? That way I'll have everything I need for PVP in my race! Muhahahar! - Sorry but though the ships mentioned are relatively crap, its the price you pay for having so many other great Gallente ships to keep the 'balance'. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.01 15:40:00 - [47] Originally by: sov68n Ares=T2 shuttle Fixed.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.09.01 16:55:00 - [48] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 01/09/2007 16:56:33 Shut up you stupid cry babys here's your Eris setup Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Standard Missile Launcher II Standard Missile Launcher II Standard Missile Launcher II Standard Missile Launcher II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Made whit the n00bish EFT . Speed 6500 m/s and 72 dps This is a realistic setup . If you whant i can go whit snakes or even lg snakes and be amazed . Now STFU eris moves like a ceptor and does 600 dmg in a volley . Test it if you don't belive me Originally by: CCP Morpheus nerf ccp plz Originally by: CCP Oveur To the gankmobile!
Larri Craig	Posted - 2007.09.01 17:47:00 - [49] Oh my, u mean to tell me thee are actually TWO gallante T2 ship that arent the uber?
Larri Craig	Posted - 2007.09.01 17:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Lydia Browm Originally by: sov68n Edited by: sov68n on 01/09/2007 14:35:15 Originally by: Lydia Browm You are thinking about blob warfare in 0.0 thought about 0.0 solo and small gang warfare ? In small gang warfare you need all the dps and tank you can get, whats the point in having a Eris then ? May aswell get a flycatcher it can get 44km + with missiles pwn frigs have a light tank and still drop a bubble. Or lets get the sabre out and go solo hunting for anything smaller than a T1 cruiser. yea... this entire time i was arguing for the fleet dictors. if you meant the small gang dictors then yea, they need dps, but i mean, the best option would be to simply train Caldari Frigate 5 and use the Flycatcher, since you wouldnt have to train any new gunnery skills and missle skills aren't that difficult to train to; and the Eris won't be boosted for awhile if it ever does. edit: added more information You don't get it do you, why should I have to train for another race ships, if this was the case why were Khanid Mk II introduced??? Explain that to me why didn't the dev's just say "Train Caldari!" ? Whats the matter you gota Heretic / Sabre / Flycatcher BPO ? How long did it take for the amarr changes?

goodby4u Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 18:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Lydia Browm Ok the Ares and Eris they are underpowered tbh, the Eris is no good you can tell from the price but the Ares i can give expierience on. It has a split weapon system and is a mother to fit out. So any suggestions would be nice to give them a revamp maybe proper hardcore drone boats that can actally fit tanks or missile boats or maybe something ares is ment to tackle,nothing more. Eris,being the cheapest is a good thing because your job is to drop a bubble and die. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:41:00 - [52] Originally by: James Lyrus lots of flawed logic Sabre has 10km falloff with subpar skills. That setup has maybe 4km. The eris can't fit a web, so neither will the sabre. The sabre has 3K shield hp. The eris has...750-ish. The flycatcher is BETTER than the sabre at hitting at 40km. The heretic is BETTER than the sabre at hitting ALL of its dps outside of web range. The sabre is BETTER than both at point blank OR out of web range damage. It has the option of tank and web. It has the option of 50% more tank and 14% less gank. It will still be the fastest dictor. The eris has NONE of this, because it dies if someone so much as sneezes on it. If you are SERIOUSLY going to throw 100m at a ship with the survivability of a caracal, please, stop. Polycarbons and OD's on a blaster/rocket-fit ship? A ship designed to go point blank when the ranged ships all have passive tanks? That's precisely what we're trying to point out as the problem, thank you. The DPS of the ship doesn't count, the SURVIVABILITY of the ship in combination of its DPS is what counts. T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Jai Cee Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:02:00 - [53] Originally by: James Lyrus OK: Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Interdiction Sphere Launcher I Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Faster than a Sabre. More DPS than a Sabre. Using faction antimatter, and faction rockets, and a hobgoblin II, that's 180dps. (Which I admit, is less than the 200 I quoted, because you need the sphere launcher). It'll do 6551m/sec too. Has enough CPU for a damage mod (208dps), if you're prepared to lose the nano (and be down to 6144 m/sec, which still compares fairly well with the sabre on 6390). Admittedly, the Sabre is going to be able to fight outside web range (although, it's healthily into it's falloff at that point, so isn't doing the 'paper' 160dps). So's the flycatcher (which is doing all of it's 80 dps, assuming the opponent isn't outrunning it). And ... this ship just can't passive shield tank. But if the complaints about it are because it's a gallente ship, that's short range and can't passive tank, I'm going to laugh. To say it's not as good as the sabre? Well, no, it isn't. Then again, neither are any of the other 'dictors. So it goes. I admit I'm impressed that you can actually get that much DPS out of an Eris however thats a pretty useless amount of DPS since the optimal is 800m and the falloff is 2.8km how on earth do you keep something there without a web and how can you apply that DPS when anything that can keep you at >3km will receive approximately the DPS of 1 whole hobgoblin. I admit its impressive that its the most DPS and speed on paper but in reality thats useless in reality, If the ship had 3 mids or the fitting and bonuses for rails or missiles the ship would be fine, not as good as the sabre but nothing without 4 mids will be.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:13:00 - [54] Some very balanced people in this thread, a chip on BOTH shoulders Gallente have good dps ships, get over it and learn to counter it. I am a fan of crosstraining to get effective ships but the Eris is worse than the other dictors in every way when you get down to it. I would be happy if just got given the edge in one role that dictors fill, be it anti-frig, speed, solo, whatever just something to make it worth flying in a certain situation beyond the strawman arguement of "it is cheap".
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:41:00 - [55] This is not a thread to get another i-win ship or anything like that its about getting it on par with the others even if i' still the worst atleast it will be usable ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.03 10:49:00 - [56] Eris is a very good ship in its niche. There is no ship I'd rather use as a salvager. -- Gradient forum
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.03 20:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Eris is a very good ship in its niche. There is no ship I'd rather use as a salvager. Very funny ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
atrophocy Last Serenity The Sundering	Posted - 2007.09.04 00:16:00 - [58] The comment about the ares being a t2 shuttle isnt so far off the money imo. i fly them, but only with a full rack of nano/overdrives in the lows and a cap recharger and cloak. Couldnt ask for anything better as for running bpos through 0.0 or scouting. When it comes to combat however, it's use is somewhat limited. it can be usefull as an anticeptor, it's fast and can have a decent tank with all those lows. before the nos nerf you could stick 2 x nos, 2 x blasters in the highs, a rep in the lows and it did the trick quite nicely. not sure that it will still work post rev 2.2. The problem as a tackler, is the cap problems. I have propulsion jamming 4 and all cap skills at 4, and there's no way the ares' little cap can run the mwd and disruptor for more than 45 seconds. even if you sacrifice some speed to put 2 cap relays you can barely run a t2 disruptor for more than a few minutes, and forget about rails, no way you're gonna have the cap, you're down to 2 missile launchers if you wanna do some damage while tackling. don't take it as a whinge, i still fly the pink machine regularily, it has it's niche as a 7.5km/s cov ops and the taranis is an awesome little interceptor, not the best tackler but pumps out damage that an assault frigate could be proud of. I don't have a problem with the ares slot layout or the split weapon systems, the only gripe i really have is that it doesnt have the cap to be a tackler. even if you want to tackle and do nothing else, it's still borderline on the cap, you need top notch skills/t2 cap mods to make it viable.
Irob Urore Amarr Rick Astleys Pirate Corp Of Goodness	Posted - 2007.09.04 02:41:00 - [59] as a cheap interceptor they do the job. missle spam + faction web gets you on killmails, what else do you want
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.04 02:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Irob Urore as a cheap interceptor they do the job. missle spam + faction web gets you on killmails, what else do you want If that is cheap feel free to meet me for a 1v1 kthxbai.



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