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Lupus Y0nderb0y
Minmatar The Apaches
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Puupuu
Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back?
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you
dude, thats one of the awesomest line if ever read in a forum, friggin hilarious
and for the op, ive started playing eve 3 weeks ago and i played wow before (a month or so)and i dont see the point where u can eve relate to wow in any case, thats a whole different story here.....u will find carebears in any game (except for cs i guess, but im not even sure bout this)
oh, and the 0 in my name is not a leet thing, i just wanted the name that bad _____________________________________ "I am the man for which no God waits But for which the whole world yearns I'm marked by darkness and by blood And one thousand powder-burns" |
Krasnij Okjabre
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Arwen Edited by: Commander Arwen on 31/08/2007 10:04:12 Pirates are scum and don't belong in eve. It's good they are gone. Cearbears control EVE's economy, just like freemasons control most of real world economy.
I'm not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic or not. However, I think you should get out more often. Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them... |
RenegadeRacer
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: RenegadeRacer on 31/08/2007 17:18:18 oooooh i wanna join in at throwing around cleshays "real men pvp in ____". RAK is right there tearing innocents apart in high sec, ****ing off alliances, and the general community. I understand low sec piracy, but there are more rules to follow as you go up the chain.
0.0 is easy kills = bubbles
low sec = freely shoot anyone as long as ya can tank them guns
high sec = can agress, wreck agress, or watch them shoot you and get concordokened
I dont understand how people simply rule high-sec or 0.0 out. Anyway there are plenty legit pirate corps in EVE and it has nothing to do with location and everything to do with people who HATE WOW.
EDIT: in other words its an attitude not a location!
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 31/08/2007 09:11:27
if that where so every 0.0 alliance is pirate...
doesn't matter asking corps who still operate in lowsec not 0.0
Incorrect sir, they dont base their living on what they take forcefully.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! |
Take Enemy
kongo-rikishi
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arekhon
Originally by: Puupuu
Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back?
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you
holy sh*t......ROFLMAO111!11!!! you owe my a keyboard..
Seriously, don't know why, other then I am hammered at noon, but that made me spill coffee too. :)
--Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... |
Idaeus
Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Piracy still turns a profit, and as long as it does I'll keep at it. There are still plenty of idiots who forget to fill their lows with stabs, and still those who go AFK outside the station with control towers and faction loot in the holds of their industrials.
That still makes me chuckle.
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Vandamsel
Gallente Dark Star LTD Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire Edited by: Saltire on 31/08/2007 09:58:16 System-Lords still keep placid locals under wraps
dont you mean harroule locals?
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Dr Slice
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.08.31 20:48:00 -
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Not too many from what I have seen. Many Pirate Corps have either gone bear themselves, or have joined a 0.0 Alliance for PvP. I think the shift started once Snigg moved to 0.0?
Which isn't bad for me, as I see it giving me more targets in low sec.
Also, lol at all the non-Pirates here responding like they're some kind of expert. Always makes for a good laugh.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:42:00 -
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you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
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50freefly
Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
ty for the definition kind sir, i always wondered what a pirate was...
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Moridin920 on 01/09/2007 05:32:28 I hadn't noticed Eve PVP has become WoW-like.
Maybe you just haven't grinded battlegrounds for honor enough or at all (*shudder*)? Not that I have either, I tried the PvP for a few rounds and eventually got sick of killing the same person three times in a row just to get the flag back o.0
Also, you don't earn the title 'pirate' by taking sec status hits. If that were true, anti-pirates would cry themselves to sleep at night because a lot of them have a low sec status too. Here's what it really is: When you set out to make ISK through PvP. That's piracy. It's actually a pretty small slice of PvPers. Many are anti-pirates, alliance warfare people, griefers, or people who just like PvPing. Nothing is wrong with any of that, it's just not piracy. A pirate is someone who says **** mining, ratting, or missioning; I'm confident in my PvP that I think I can invest XXX amount into a ship and see a return a few kills later.
Also, the thread title is so inflammatory that you just have to give an explanation, or it will just seem like trolling. What exactly has made it go WoW Carebear?
Edit: Mispelled a word. Call me OCD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |
Galan Amarias
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.01 05:56:00 -
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Had anyone else asked I'd have said I haven't heard from the muffin factory in ages. Is this a skewed way of telling us you are back, or are all the rest gone and you're just deeply bitter?
As for who left and why, who cares, they left with their ball and their bat and good riddance, more loots for me.
-Galan
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.09.01 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
LOL, WHUT
Also for added hillarity Linkage
404 supreme authority not found.
The sec hit thing you speak of is not a sign of manly hood just the sign of hauler alts.
Restraint is key not throwing everything in local through the proverbial cheese grater.
Piracy is blowing up some one for the loot/future loot the ransom or for the future ransom
Sheer unadulterated violence is a sign of a kill mail *****.
But if you want to be pen pals so badly with concord go a ahead and f1-f8 everything you see It dosen't really matter to me. But your supreme pirate authority is lacking also the same goes for the empire huggers that try and throw in their definitions of pirate every 3 threads (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE YOU DAMNS PILES OF STICKS!)
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.09.01 10:16:00 -
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I moved to 0.0 because of the lack of non combatants in empire these days. The removal of static complexs was the nail in the coffin.
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FreelancerAlpha
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Posted - 2007.09.01 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN people to scared to post with there mains are funny
FreelancerAlpha.... Velerem....
Believe me, I'd love to post with my main. The problem is, the only reason anyone wants to see a main post, is so that they can then blame that person's alliance or corporation for their personal opinions.
Or to put it another way, take the cowards' approach to dealing with confrontation.
In something like this, there is no requirement for a main. An independant assessment of WoW pvp vs EvE pvp is all that is required. I'm not saying I should be the assessor, but that it can be done.
What are pirates (primarily?). They are suicide gankers, or they're gate campers. Who are their primary victims? How do they deal with having a low sec status? Questions like these reveal that a pirate is the WoW equivalent of a level 70 rogue hanging out in Redridge. Its not as easy as it sounds, but its certainly not the pinnacle of confrontation.
But pirates aside. Eve pvp is based around a cost model. The difficulty is in the variety of scenarios, and the cost of failure. A truly wonderful thing, especially if you can get your head out of your arse and appreciate the complexity of it all. But that doesn't mean that Eve is so great it needs to keep bashing WoW.
WoW pvp has its own issues. For instance, the ranking system that was based on grind rather than ability. However, WoWs pvp has evolved a great deal. With arenas, battlegrounds etc you get to see how opponents fair on equal footing, much like the current alliance tourney. One thing that wow pvp does have over eve, is the fact that YOU CANNOT BUY YOUR WAY INTO GREATNESS. Sure, you can't lose anything in wow, but gains are very minimal.
You give me the best geared, best skilled character in WoW, and I bet I could potentially lose to a highly skilled pvper with very average equipment. You give me a mothership in lowsec, and I will mock you as you try and take me out with a battleship. Mothership + pilot can be bought, all EULA-friendly. WoW, gotta earn the character. Then gotta learn how to use it.
With Eve's node issues, meta gaming etc, I simply cannot hail eve as some miraculous bringer of "teh pvp". Its a great game, but not in a position to keep referring to WoW players as carebears. Wow players can't sit down and calculate how much isk it'll cost to pop an enemy. Wow players don't rely on invading teamspeak, messageboards and rival guilds to defeat them in COMBAT. Wow players do not win fame over their opponents for no other reason than because they were willing to get up in the middle of the night for a fight, or fight on christmas day.
When pirates stop using alts to defy their sec status. When fleets can actually have their modules respond in under 30 seconds. When you cannot use a calculator to determine the number of GTCs you need to buy to kill an empire freighter or mining gang. THEN you might see hardcore pvp. Until then, all you really have is a game that is marvelous, complex, brutal, and so less of a game and more of a simulation. Simulations are fun for some, but the day will come when a person is fired from their job because a rival alliance was bitter about something and so stalked out the "main"s "main" IRL and showed them just how hardcore eve players really are.
Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single".
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.09.01 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
Nah, losing sec is just being an outlaw. Your e-peen doesn't grow any because you're -10.
Pirates go where they can make money and profit. If that's not low-sec, then they don't magically become non-pirates because they jumped through a gate to 0.0.
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.09.01 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: FreelancerAlpha
When pirates stop using alts to defy their sec status. When fleets can actually have their modules respond in under 30 seconds. When you cannot use a calculator to determine the number of GTCs you need to buy to kill an empire freighter or mining gang. THEN you might see hardcore pvp. Until then, all you really have is a game that is marvelous, complex, brutal, and so less of a game and more of a simulation. Simulations are fun for some, but the day will come when a person is fired from their job because a rival alliance was bitter about something and so stalked out the "main"s "main" IRL and showed them just how hardcore eve players really are.
Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single".
I wub this post so much
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:08:00 -
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People are proud of been pirates because, correct me if im wrong (I could be!!), EVE is the last active free for all pvp game with death penalties and player looting.
Been a pirate is kinda like been a PK'er of old, before all the mmo's went carebear.
If you think being proud of that is lame then *shrug* different strokes, different folks.
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Khorian
Gallente Excidium.
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:27:00 -
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Exactly, all other MMOs are just fabric softened mass-suitable games, designed to attract as many customers as possible, also called mainstream. EvE is swimming against that stream, and it is alone with that vision of pvp with severe consequences.
The last game I played that was as tough as EvE when you screwed up was Diablo 2 in hardcore mode. That one even made me break a few things. I was young... since then, I have become much more calm tho ;)
We should all be lucky that there are Clones in EvE. If we would really die and start from scratch after a PoD Kill, now THAT would be hardcore right there.
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:39:00 -
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One day eve pvp will be so tough that the average player will have 6 pack abs an a beard just by jumping into .4
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Ckrom Cometcrusher
Gallente ASSASSIN SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2007.09.02 03:28:00 -
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The ASSASSIN Syndicate still manages to get some kills in the area we currently reside in. Nothing major just a few guys bored of politics and shooting anyone and everyone who chooses to visit our lil system. But the squish of a pod kill in low sec makes a louder squish when no bubble is pinning them down.
Yarr and Stuff..
Things that went BOOM! |
Pestilence Aligher'ri
Caldari V i L e
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
As a player in piracy longer than the Muffinmen, this is incorrect.
Originally by: Tobias
Piracy is about the act, not about the location.
This is correct.
Funny how someone is quick to call people carebears and yet hug empire.
One of the first pirate alliances in game that actually acomplished something good was "The Pirate Syndicate (TPS)". They were a 0.0 alliance with the act of piracy. That was obviously before you came into the trade Cranberry Muffinman.
To answer the question of the original post though. Vile is still here and still hiding in the shadows in 0.0 piracy.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0
i actually agree with this, its not about a target being able to fire back, its about taking more risk that just your ship.
Low sec is effectively 0.0 to low sec pirates. Just amusing to see people post "low sec pirates have no skill" or words to that effect...
Anyways, to my knowledge the warp to 0 did not have any affect at all on pirates, we adapt like with everything in game - but turby are the only pirate corp i know of that disbanded.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:56:00 -
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WTZ doesn't save carebears who are scrambled when they decloak to align for warp.
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Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate.
This statement is almost as absurd as when someone tries to define their pirate 'skill' by how much they've ransomed for.
Or their # of kills, which would often conflict with the ransom claim (but I don't think many people ever make both claims as that'd be just silly).
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Moridin920 on 02/09/2007 07:12:06
Originally by: FreelancerAlpha
You give me the best geared, best skilled character in WoW, and I bet I could potentially lose to a highly skilled pvper with very average equipment. You give me a mothership in lowsec, and I will mock you as you try and take me out with a battleship. Mothership + pilot can be bought, all EULA-friendly. WoW, gotta earn the character. Then gotta learn how to use it.
With Eve's node issues, meta gaming etc, I simply cannot hail eve as some miraculous bringer of "teh pvp". Its a great game, but not in a position to keep referring to WoW players as carebears. Wow players can't sit down and calculate how much isk it'll cost to pop an enemy. Wow players don't rely on invading teamspeak, messageboards and rival guilds to defeat them in COMBAT. Wow players do not win fame over their opponents for no other reason than because they were willing to get up in the middle of the night for a fight, or fight on christmas day.
Dunno, I was witness to a command ship failing to break a battlecruisers tank, and then proceeding to get killed by said battlecruiser. The pilot of the battlecruiser was older, too. The point, of course, being that yeah you COULD buy a nice ship but if you can't fly it well it'll get killed. You still need experience. A capital ship n00b hanging out solo in low sec is going to get JACKED the second I see him, because in corp or alliance chat I'll scream h"oooly crap, let's get 5 or 6 guys together and kill him," and it'll get done, just because of the lack of experience the capital pilot has.
Plus, the whole comparison doesn't make sense. You are comparing a mothership vs battleship to a level 70 with epics vs a level 70 without. That's more battleship with faction fitting vs battleship with T1/named stuff. Yours is the WoW equivalent of a level 50 versus a level 70, and that's being lenient.
Also, WoW players don't win fame period. GUILDS do, sure, but that's about it. And the argument fails because if it were like you are saying, people wouldn't obsess over getting epic gear for minimal percentage gains like they do. I DO know people who have done raids at absurd times or on holidays. And it's sheer insanity to say someone with a level 70 with top tier epics and the few legendary items there are will lose to a guy with blue gear, because to get those epics requires a lot of raids, so he will have at least BASIC knowledge of use, and that with his gear will absolutely destroy someone with a poorly geared character. The Eve guy can almost never log on and just change skills until finally he gets into the ship with literally zero knowledge of how to fly it effectively.
And at least Eve PvP has some bearing in the game. Alliance territory is won or lost through it, node lag or no, while WoW PvP means Ooh, look I have enough honor to be on the top ten list, or to get this item now. Cool, dude. Only WoW can manage to turn PvP into a grind for some point value. At least Eve PvP is fun. And it makes your heart pound a lot more, simply because there's no out if you lose your ship. There's no resurrect, there's no "Well, that was fun, let me repair my stuff and sign up for another battleground session with the exact same character and gear because I didn't lose anything."
You just sound a little bitter about something, and are making wild exaggerations to make a point. Sure, it's true that Eve PvP is not the be all and end all, but for god sake's don't say WoW's PvP is better. That's just silly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |
giddymochug
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:43:00 -
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in wow you don't lose anything from a pvp death. that's why i like eve
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Galan Amarias
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.02 08:00:00 -
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FreelancerAlpha, (Or whomever you really are)
If you'd really love to post with your main you'd have posted with your main. Or does your corp/alliance have some rule disallowing that?
I like to see main posts because they I know who's speaking should I meet them in EVE someday. Like the other day when I ran into Lanfear's Bane. Nothing came of it but I knew who they were.
Your asertation that your'd be attacked because of your corp or alliance would only hold water if you were in a hardcore bear corp with dink for pvp exp. Then again from the rest of your post I'd say you probably have very little combat time in eve and that most of your time has been on the recieving end of a gatecamp.
What would be the pinacle of confrontation in Wow? The rogue in redrige has a lot more chance of having his corpse camped and being forced to use that spirit healer, for the only real penalty in wow pvp, than some level 70 slogging through battlefields. Confrontation in wow is meaningless, even when you lose in battlefields you get points. You can get epic if you _lose_ enough.
As for being unable to buy greatness in wow, wow characters go up for sale at least as often as eve characters do. And should you buy a high end character you stand to lose an aweful lot less than you would buying things you don't know how to use in EVE.
Your ability to potentially lose is ludicrius, in wow you can lose by just not attacking back, so you could potentially lose to anyone, though you may have to take off your armor. On the flipside, five orginized, determined, young players in EVE can kill the guy who's been arround since 2004. Five level five characters in WOW have litterally zero chance against any level 20, much less one who is 50+ The basic math of the armor class assures they will be unable to hit.
How does the ability to calculate risk or cost make someone a carebear? Carebears get that title from risk avoidance. WOW is nothing but risk avoidance, there is no risk, at all.
Your suggestion about someone being attacked IRL is ludicrus. Is the colombine high school "hardcore" because two of the former students when **** nuts and started killing people? No. It's just the unfortunate place that two complete delusional psychopaths happened to live in.
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Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single".
Posers? Do we have to go out and actually kill people to be genuinely hardcore? Your assertation of cruelty is absurd. EVE is a videogame it is no different to kill someone here than on Battlefield 2.
This last phrase is patheticly bitter. We're back to "show us on the doll where the bad man touched you." Somewhere someone rubbed you the wrong way and now you're out for anynonomous blood. Woo.
Newsflash guy, I feel secure in what I do. It's fun. I'm not single and I don't need a 100million isk ship to be happy. Dosn't stop me from flying them or laughing when they go pop though.
Take a deep breath, remember you are playing a game and one that's imusurably better than WOW ever will be.
-Galan
The answer to empire ganking |
Idaeus
Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.02 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0
[...] Low sec is effectively 0.0 to low sec pirates. Just amusing to see people post "low sec pirates have no skill" or words to that effect... [...]
0.0 piracy is tons easier then lowsec piracy, mainly due to having more tools ('dictor and mobile warp disrupt bubbles) to catch victims. Not having to tank sentries in addition to whomever you engage is also a bonus.
Still, piracy is piracy. Just because we skip on up to 0.0 doesn't mean we suddenly cease to be pirates when we get there.
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slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.02 12:44:00 -
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i think the question you pose was poorly set out and you didnt really explain yourself tbh.
anyway im guessing your question is something like..
"with recent patches bringing in changes that adversley affect low-sec pirating (e.g. wtz etc) have any low sec pirates left eve as a cosequence?"
and in answer to that i can give this insight.
wtz shouldnt make much of an impact as working in a team you still should be able to kill people.
pirate corps that have folded recently seem to have done for a variety of reasons including- general boredom of game, boredom of repetitive gate camping (i imagine it must get really tedious tbh), finding new challenges (lofty joining bob for example) and other reasons.
there are lots of pirte corps still going strong e.g blsck rabbits, triumvirat (aunenen ftw) blood corsairs etc.
pirates can be seen sometimes to whine more than other players. adapt or die i guess someone once said.
so in short, the answer to your question is no.
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