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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:13:00 - [1] Question says it all Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:16:00 - [2] BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Khorian Gallente Excidium.	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:27:00 - [3] Explain the "since EvE has gone WoW carebear"
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:31:00 - [4] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Explain "real pirates"? -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:34:00 - [5] explain your existence. --
Cleopatera Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:35:00 - [6] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? And what has made eve 'carebear' recently that deserves this most glorious thread dedicated to it? P.s, i like your sig ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
Puupuu Latrocinium	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.08.31 08:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Puupuu Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you holy sh*t......ROFLMAO111!11!!! you owe my a keyboard.. "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:03:00 - [9] Funny stuff. Piracy is about the act, not about the location. - Recruitment open again-
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:10:00 - [10] Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 31/08/2007 09:11:27 if that where so every 0.0 alliance is pirate... doesn't matter asking corps who still operate in lowsec not 0.0 Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Hudsonn Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:17:00 - [11] hi ___________________________
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:34:00 - [12] Pirates should be the last ones denigrating wow pvp.
Velerem	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:41:00 - [13] As FreelancerAlpha pointed out, your argument makes no sense. Why would the people who play this game for the harsh PvP leave the game for a game with very forgiving PvP? Where they can't even play as pirates, as death involves a minute's loss of time to the victim? Oh, and how do you mean this game has gone "Carebear"? Do you mean that Concord are stronger now? No, I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll. Let's hope you're better at piracy than you are at trolling.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:47:00 - [14] We are keeping busy with other things atm. -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:52:00 - [15] people to scared to post with there mains are funny FreelancerAlpha.... Velerem.... Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Hairtrigger Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:56:00 - [16] Warp to zero killed many off imo it certainly was a factor in us splittin to the 4 winds
Saltire System-Lords Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Saltire on 31/08/2007 09:58:16 System-Lords still keep placid locals under wraps
Commander Arwen Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.31 10:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Commander Arwen on 31/08/2007 10:04:12 Pirates are scum and don't belong in eve. It's good they are gone. Cearbears control EVE's economy, just like freemasons control most of real world economy.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.31 10:08:00 - [19] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 31/08/2007 09:11:27 if that where so every 0.0 alliance is pirate... doesn't matter asking corps who still operate in lowsec not 0.0 That's BS. Piracy is about killing/ransoming for the sakes of profit. 0.0 alliances profit to pvp, and bother about diplomacy, sovereignty and all that jazz. - Recruitment open again-
Marek Payne Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.08.31 10:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Commander Arwen Edited by: Commander Arwen on 31/08/2007 10:04:12 Pirates are scum and don't belong in eve. It's good they are gone. Cearbears control EVE's economy, just like freemasons control most of real world economy. Not the sharpest knife are ya?
Velerem	Posted - 2007.08.31 10:54:00 - [21] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN people to scared to post with there mains are funny FreelancerAlpha.... Velerem.... How is my identity of any concern? What should matter in a debate is what I say, no? But don't worry, my main's name wouldn't mean anything to you anyway. And yes, I'm a pirate. But nice way of proving you have no idea what you're talking about, and are just trying to look "cool" by stating random facts that have no foundation whatsoever. Dodging YOUR OWN TOPIC ftw!
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Velerem Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN people to scared to post with there mains are funny FreelancerAlpha.... Velerem.... How is my identity of any concern? What should matter in a debate is what I say, no? But don't worry, my main's name wouldn't mean anything to you anyway. And yes, I'm a pirate. But nice way of proving you have no idea what you're talking about, and are just trying to look "cool" by stating random facts that have no foundation whatsoever. Dodging YOUR OWN TOPIC ftw! I concur, Explain why EVE has gone carebear. Are you not getting any kills...? Im confused what the point of this drivel was....I can only see some one trolling. Suprized the mods havent locked this yet. NO content. Random fact with out any evidence. This just is making an already spammed forum worst.. My 0.02ISK ------------------------------------------
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:14:00 - [23] Everyone knows that the decline of true piracy IRL is the cause of global warning; the decline of true piracy in EVE is certain to have dire consequences as well. We are doomed.
Cleopatera Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Puupuu Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you ROFL anyway, in my opinion a pirate isn't a pirate unless he attacks people who cant fight back. I have nothing against pirates, the idea is awesome to weed out the weak and pathetic people who shouldn't be playing this game. However, the OP is probably a pr-at who doesn't actually pirate, just kills stuff for 'giggles'. ------------------------------------------- Voted "Best"
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:33:00 - [25] Piracy still turns a profit, and as long as it does I'll keep at it. There are still plenty of idiots who forget to fill their lows with stabs, and still those who go AFK outside the station with control towers and faction loot in the holds of their industrials. What there is a distinct lack of is pilots who engage me when I don't have sentry aggro. I blink, so there's no excuse...
Speed Devil Caldari Mean Machines	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Khorian Explain the "since EvE has gone WoW carebear" WTZ like its already been said and wardec nerf especially aimed towards privateer alliance
Maximor Fifth Exiled Legion Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:22:00 - [27] It's been my experience that most pirates adapted to the WTZ change. I personally have found WTZ little comfort when BOTH sides of the gate are being camped If you hold a unix shell up to your ear, can you still hear the c: ?
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: Khorian Explain the "since EvE has gone WoW carebear" WTZ like its already been said and wardec nerf especially aimed towards privateer alliance Getting a warning cause you suicided a whiney, whiney carebear's barge.
Fellonie	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:37:00 - [29] lol this is the most pointless post i have read yet!!!.. lol.. have fun guys...
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Puupuu Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you OMG You made my entire day and it was pretty bad to start with... I'd send you isk if I could spare - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Lupus Y0nderb0y Minmatar The Apaches	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Puupuu Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you dude, thats one of the awesomest line if ever read in a forum, friggin hilarious and for the op, ive started playing eve 3 weeks ago and i played wow before (a month or so)and i dont see the point where u can eve relate to wow in any case, thats a whole different story here.....u will find carebears in any game (except for cs i guess, but im not even sure bout this) oh, and the 0 in my name is not a leet thing, i just wanted the name that bad _____________________________________ "I am the man for which no God waits But for which the whole world yearns I'm marked by darkness and by blood And one thousand powder-burns"
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Commander Arwen Edited by: Commander Arwen on 31/08/2007 10:04:12 Pirates are scum and don't belong in eve. It's good they are gone. Cearbears control EVE's economy, just like freemasons control most of real world economy. I'm not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic or not. However, I think you should get out more often. Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...
RenegadeRacer Racketeers	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:16:00 - [33] Edited by: RenegadeRacer on 31/08/2007 17:18:18 oooooh i wanna join in at throwing around cleshays "real men pvp in ____". RAK is right there tearing innocents apart in high sec, ****ing off alliances, and the general community. I understand low sec piracy, but there are more rules to follow as you go up the chain. 0.0 is easy kills = bubbles low sec = freely shoot anyone as long as ya can tank them guns high sec = can agress, wreck agress, or watch them shoot you and get concordokened I dont understand how people simply rule high-sec or 0.0 out. Anyway there are plenty legit pirate corps in EVE and it has nothing to do with location and everything to do with people who HATE WOW. EDIT: in other words its an attitude not a location!
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:32:00 - [34] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 31/08/2007 09:11:27 if that where so every 0.0 alliance is pirate... doesn't matter asking corps who still operate in lowsec not 0.0 Incorrect sir, they dont base their living on what they take forcefully. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
Take Enemy kongo-rikishi	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Puupuu Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you holy sh*t......ROFLMAO111!11!!! you owe my a keyboard.. Seriously, don't know why, other then I am hammered at noon, but that made me spill coffee too. :) --Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.31 18:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Piracy still turns a profit, and as long as it does I'll keep at it. There are still plenty of idiots who forget to fill their lows with stabs, and still those who go AFK outside the station with control towers and faction loot in the holds of their industrials. That still makes me chuckle.
Vandamsel Gallente Dark Star LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Saltire Edited by: Saltire on 31/08/2007 09:58:16 System-Lords still keep placid locals under wraps dont you mean harroule locals?
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.08.31 20:48:00 - [38] Not too many from what I have seen. Many Pirate Corps have either gone bear themselves, or have joined a 0.0 Alliance for PvP. I think the shift started once Snigg moved to 0.0? Which isn't bad for me, as I see it giving me more targets in low sec. Also, lol at all the non-Pirates here responding like they're some kind of expert. Always makes for a good laugh.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.01 00:42:00 - [39] you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 01:30:00 - [40] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. ty for the definition kind sir, i always wondered what a pirate was... Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Moridin920 Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 05:31:00 - [41] Edited by: Moridin920 on 01/09/2007 05:32:28 I hadn't noticed Eve PVP has become WoW-like. Maybe you just haven't grinded battlegrounds for honor enough or at all (shudder)? Not that I have either, I tried the PvP for a few rounds and eventually got sick of killing the same person three times in a row just to get the flag back o.0 Also, you don't earn the title 'pirate' by taking sec status hits. If that were true, anti-pirates would cry themselves to sleep at night because a lot of them have a low sec status too. Here's what it really is: When you set out to make ISK through PvP. That's piracy. It's actually a pretty small slice of PvPers. Many are anti-pirates, alliance warfare people, griefers, or people who just like PvPing. Nothing is wrong with any of that, it's just not piracy. A pirate is someone who says **** mining, ratting, or missioning; I'm confident in my PvP that I think I can invest XXX amount into a ship and see a return a few kills later. Also, the thread title is so inflammatory that you just have to give an explanation, or it will just seem like trolling. What exactly has made it go WoW Carebear? Edit: Mispelled a word. Call me OCD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.01 05:56:00 - [42] Had anyone else asked I'd have said I haven't heard from the muffin factory in ages. Is this a skewed way of telling us you are back, or are all the rest gone and you're just deeply bitter? As for who left and why, who cares, they left with their ball and their bat and good riddance, more loots for me. -Galan The answer to empire ganking
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:32:00 - [43] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. LOL, WHUT Also for added hillarity Linkage 404 supreme authority not found. The sec hit thing you speak of is not a sign of manly hood just the sign of hauler alts. Restraint is key not throwing everything in local through the proverbial cheese grater. Piracy is blowing up some one for the loot/future loot the ransom or for the future ransom Sheer unadulterated violence is a sign of a kill mail *****. But if you want to be pen pals so badly with concord go a ahead and f1-f8 everything you see It dosen't really matter to me. But your supreme pirate authority is lacking also the same goes for the empire huggers that try and throw in their definitions of pirate every 3 threads (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE YOU DAMNS PILES OF STICKS!) Local Thread 107-b
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:16:00 - [44] I moved to 0.0 because of the lack of non combatants in empire these days. The removal of static complexs was the nail in the coffin. CCP clearly don't care about pirates. I presume that the revenue from our subscriptions isn't enough to earn their attention.
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:42:00 - [45] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN people to scared to post with there mains are funny FreelancerAlpha.... Velerem.... Believe me, I'd love to post with my main. The problem is, the only reason anyone wants to see a main post, is so that they can then blame that person's alliance or corporation for their personal opinions. Or to put it another way, take the cowards' approach to dealing with confrontation. In something like this, there is no requirement for a main. An independant assessment of WoW pvp vs EvE pvp is all that is required. I'm not saying I should be the assessor, but that it can be done. What are pirates (primarily?). They are suicide gankers, or they're gate campers. Who are their primary victims? How do they deal with having a low sec status? Questions like these reveal that a pirate is the WoW equivalent of a level 70 rogue hanging out in Redridge. Its not as easy as it sounds, but its certainly not the pinnacle of confrontation. But pirates aside. Eve pvp is based around a cost model. The difficulty is in the variety of scenarios, and the cost of failure. A truly wonderful thing, especially if you can get your head out of your arse and appreciate the complexity of it all. But that doesn't mean that Eve is so great it needs to keep bashing WoW. WoW pvp has its own issues. For instance, the ranking system that was based on grind rather than ability. However, WoWs pvp has evolved a great deal. With arenas, battlegrounds etc you get to see how opponents fair on equal footing, much like the current alliance tourney. One thing that wow pvp does have over eve, is the fact that YOU CANNOT BUY YOUR WAY INTO GREATNESS. Sure, you can't lose anything in wow, but gains are very minimal. You give me the best geared, best skilled character in WoW, and I bet I could potentially lose to a highly skilled pvper with very average equipment. You give me a mothership in lowsec, and I will mock you as you try and take me out with a battleship. Mothership + pilot can be bought, all EULA-friendly. WoW, gotta earn the character. Then gotta learn how to use it. With Eve's node issues, meta gaming etc, I simply cannot hail eve as some miraculous bringer of "teh pvp". Its a great game, but not in a position to keep referring to WoW players as carebears. Wow players can't sit down and calculate how much isk it'll cost to pop an enemy. Wow players don't rely on invading teamspeak, messageboards and rival guilds to defeat them in COMBAT. Wow players do not win fame over their opponents for no other reason than because they were willing to get up in the middle of the night for a fight, or fight on christmas day. When pirates stop using alts to defy their sec status. When fleets can actually have their modules respond in under 30 seconds. When you cannot use a calculator to determine the number of GTCs you need to buy to kill an empire freighter or mining gang. THEN you might see hardcore pvp. Until then, all you really have is a game that is marvelous, complex, brutal, and so less of a game and more of a simulation. Simulations are fun for some, but the day will come when a person is fired from their job because a rival alliance was bitter about something and so stalked out the "main"s "main" IRL and showed them just how hardcore eve players really are. Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single".
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:44:00 - [46] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. Nah, losing sec is just being an outlaw. Your e-peen doesn't grow any because you're -10. Pirates go where they can make money and profit. If that's not low-sec, then they don't magically become non-pirates because they jumped through a gate to 0.0. - Recruitment open again-
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:55:00 - [47] Originally by: FreelancerAlpha When pirates stop using alts to defy their sec status. When fleets can actually have their modules respond in under 30 seconds. When you cannot use a calculator to determine the number of GTCs you need to buy to kill an empire freighter or mining gang. THEN you might see hardcore pvp. Until then, all you really have is a game that is marvelous, complex, brutal, and so less of a game and more of a simulation. Simulations are fun for some, but the day will come when a person is fired from their job because a rival alliance was bitter about something and so stalked out the "main"s "main" IRL and showed them just how hardcore eve players really are. Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single". I wub this post so much Local Thread 107-b
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:08:00 - [48] People are proud of been pirates because, correct me if im wrong (I could be!!), EVE is the last active free for all pvp game with death penalties and player looting. Been a pirate is kinda like been a PK'er of old, before all the mmo's went carebear. If you think being proud of that is lame then shrug different strokes, different folks.
Khorian Gallente Excidium.	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:27:00 - [49] Exactly, all other MMOs are just fabric softened mass-suitable games, designed to attract as many customers as possible, also called mainstream. EvE is swimming against that stream, and it is alone with that vision of pvp with severe consequences. The last game I played that was as tough as EvE when you screwed up was Diablo 2 in hardcore mode. That one even made me break a few things. I was young... since then, I have become much more calm tho ;) We should all be lucky that there are Clones in EvE. If we would really die and start from scratch after a PoD Kill, now THAT would be hardcore right there.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 14:39:00 - [50] One day eve pvp will be so tough that the average player will have 6 pack abs an a beard just by jumping into .4 Local Thread 107-b
Ckrom Cometcrusher Gallente ASSASSIN SYNDICATE	Posted - 2007.09.02 03:28:00 - [51] The ASSASSIN Syndicate still manages to get some kills in the area we currently reside in. Nothing major just a few guys bored of politics and shooting anyone and everyone who chooses to visit our lil system. But the squish of a pod kill in low sec makes a louder squish when no bubble is pinning them down. Yarr and Stuff.. Things that went BOOM!
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:24:00 - [52] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. As a player in piracy longer than the Muffinmen, this is incorrect. Originally by: Tobias Piracy is about the act, not about the location. This is correct. Funny how someone is quick to call people carebears and yet hug empire. One of the first pirate alliances in game that actually acomplished something good was "The Pirate Syndicate (TPS)". They were a 0.0 alliance with the act of piracy. That was obviously before you came into the trade Cranberry Muffinman. To answer the question of the original post though. Vile is still here and still hiding in the shadows in 0.0 piracy.
kessah Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:54:00 - [53] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 i actually agree with this, its not about a target being able to fire back, its about taking more risk that just your ship. Low sec is effectively 0.0 to low sec pirates. Just amusing to see people post "low sec pirates have no skill" or words to that effect... Anyways, to my knowledge the warp to 0 did not have any affect at all on pirates, we adapt like with everything in game - but turby are the only pirate corp i know of that disbanded. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:56:00 - [54] WTZ doesn't save carebears who are scrambled when they decloak to align for warp.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:00:00 - [55] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. This statement is almost as absurd as when someone tries to define their pirate 'skill' by how much they've ransomed for. Or their # of kills, which would often conflict with the ransom claim (but I don't think many people ever make both claims as that'd be just silly).
Moridin920 Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:08:00 - [56] Edited by: Moridin920 on 02/09/2007 07:12:06 Originally by: FreelancerAlpha You give me the best geared, best skilled character in WoW, and I bet I could potentially lose to a highly skilled pvper with very average equipment. You give me a mothership in lowsec, and I will mock you as you try and take me out with a battleship. Mothership + pilot can be bought, all EULA-friendly. WoW, gotta earn the character. Then gotta learn how to use it. With Eve's node issues, meta gaming etc, I simply cannot hail eve as some miraculous bringer of "teh pvp". Its a great game, but not in a position to keep referring to WoW players as carebears. Wow players can't sit down and calculate how much isk it'll cost to pop an enemy. Wow players don't rely on invading teamspeak, messageboards and rival guilds to defeat them in COMBAT. Wow players do not win fame over their opponents for no other reason than because they were willing to get up in the middle of the night for a fight, or fight on christmas day. Dunno, I was witness to a command ship failing to break a battlecruisers tank, and then proceeding to get killed by said battlecruiser. The pilot of the battlecruiser was older, too. The point, of course, being that yeah you COULD buy a nice ship but if you can't fly it well it'll get killed. You still need experience. A capital ship n00b hanging out solo in low sec is going to get JACKED the second I see him, because in corp or alliance chat I'll scream h"oooly crap, let's get 5 or 6 guys together and kill him," and it'll get done, just because of the lack of experience the capital pilot has. Plus, the whole comparison doesn't make sense. You are comparing a mothership vs battleship to a level 70 with epics vs a level 70 without. That's more battleship with faction fitting vs battleship with T1/named stuff. Yours is the WoW equivalent of a level 50 versus a level 70, and that's being lenient. Also, WoW players don't win fame period. GUILDS do, sure, but that's about it. And the argument fails because if it were like you are saying, people wouldn't obsess over getting epic gear for minimal percentage gains like they do. I DO know people who have done raids at absurd times or on holidays. And it's sheer insanity to say someone with a level 70 with top tier epics and the few legendary items there are will lose to a guy with blue gear, because to get those epics requires a lot of raids, so he will have at least BASIC knowledge of use, and that with his gear will absolutely destroy someone with a poorly geared character. The Eve guy can almost never log on and just change skills until finally he gets into the ship with literally zero knowledge of how to fly it effectively. And at least Eve PvP has some bearing in the game. Alliance territory is won or lost through it, node lag or no, while WoW PvP means Ooh, look I have enough honor to be on the top ten list, or to get this item now. Cool, dude. Only WoW can manage to turn PvP into a grind for some point value. At least Eve PvP is fun. And it makes your heart pound a lot more, simply because there's no out if you lose your ship. There's no resurrect, there's no "Well, that was fun, let me repair my stuff and sign up for another battleground session with the exact same character and gear because I didn't lose anything." You just sound a little bitter about something, and are making wild exaggerations to make a point. Sure, it's true that Eve PvP is not the be all and end all, but for god sake's don't say WoW's PvP is better. That's just silly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
giddymochug Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:43:00 - [57] in wow you don't lose anything from a pvp death. that's why i like eve
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:00:00 - [58] FreelancerAlpha, (Or whomever you really are) If you'd really love to post with your main you'd have posted with your main. Or does your corp/alliance have some rule disallowing that? I like to see main posts because they I know who's speaking should I meet them in EVE someday. Like the other day when I ran into Lanfear's Bane. Nothing came of it but I knew who they were. Your asertation that your'd be attacked because of your corp or alliance would only hold water if you were in a hardcore bear corp with dink for pvp exp. Then again from the rest of your post I'd say you probably have very little combat time in eve and that most of your time has been on the recieving end of a gatecamp. What would be the pinacle of confrontation in Wow? The rogue in redrige has a lot more chance of having his corpse camped and being forced to use that spirit healer, for the only real penalty in wow pvp, than some level 70 slogging through battlefields. Confrontation in wow is meaningless, even when you lose in battlefields you get points. You can get epic if you _lose_ enough. As for being unable to buy greatness in wow, wow characters go up for sale at least as often as eve characters do. And should you buy a high end character you stand to lose an aweful lot less than you would buying things you don't know how to use in EVE. Your ability to potentially lose is ludicrius, in wow you can lose by just not attacking back, so you could potentially lose to anyone, though you may have to take off your armor. On the flipside, five orginized, determined, young players in EVE can kill the guy who's been arround since 2004. Five level five characters in WOW have litterally zero chance against any level 20, much less one who is 50+ The basic math of the armor class assures they will be unable to hit. How does the ability to calculate risk or cost make someone a carebear? Carebears get that title from risk avoidance. WOW is nothing but risk avoidance, there is no risk, at all. Your suggestion about someone being attacked IRL is ludicrus. Is the colombine high school "hardcore" because two of the former students when ** nuts and started killing people? No. It's just the unfortunate place that two complete delusional psychopaths happened to live in. Quote:** Bunch of posers. So desperate to prove you're tough that you need to be cruel or need to invest enormously before you'll feel secure in what you do. Newsflash guys, its not the 90s anymore. Nobody cares if you play a game where you can fly a US$100 ship and lose it. The term isn't hardcore, its "single". Posers? Do we have to go out and actually kill people to be genuinely hardcore? Your assertation of cruelty is absurd. EVE is a videogame it is no different to kill someone here than on Battlefield 2. This last phrase is patheticly bitter. We're back to "show us on the doll where the bad man touched you." Somewhere someone rubbed you the wrong way and now you're out for anynonomous blood. Woo. Newsflash guy, I feel secure in what I do. It's fun. I'm not single and I don't need a 100million isk ship to be happy. Dosn't stop me from flying them or laughing when they go pop though. Take a deep breath, remember you are playing a game and one that's imusurably better than WOW ever will be. -Galan The answer to empire ganking
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.02 12:25:00 - [59] Originally by: kessah Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 [...] Low sec is effectively 0.0 to low sec pirates. Just amusing to see people post "low sec pirates have no skill" or words to that effect... [...] 0.0 piracy is tons easier then lowsec piracy, mainly due to having more tools ('dictor and mobile warp disrupt bubbles) to catch victims. Not having to tank sentries in addition to whomever you engage is also a bonus. Still, piracy is piracy. Just because we skip on up to 0.0 doesn't mean we suddenly cease to be pirates when we get there.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.09.02 12:44:00 - [60] i think the question you pose was poorly set out and you didnt really explain yourself tbh. anyway im guessing your question is something like.. "with recent patches bringing in changes that adversley affect low-sec pirating (e.g. wtz etc) have any low sec pirates left eve as a cosequence?" and in answer to that i can give this insight. wtz shouldnt make much of an impact as working in a team you still should be able to kill people. pirate corps that have folded recently seem to have done for a variety of reasons including- general boredom of game, boredom of repetitive gate camping (i imagine it must get really tedious tbh), finding new challenges (lofty joining bob for example) and other reasons. there are lots of pirte corps still going strong e.g blsck rabbits, triumvirat (aunenen ftw) blood corsairs etc. pirates can be seen sometimes to whine more than other players. adapt or die i guess someone once said. so in short, the answer to your question is no.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.02 12:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Puupuu Originally by: Cleopatera You mean the ones with alternating CaPs AnD lOwEr CaSe LeTtErs in their name who don't actually kill anything that can fight back? Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you rofl! as for the OP, I've seen a good few pirate corps about, Muffin Factory in Heimatar, Chickens with attitude in Heimatar, Veto in Verge Vendor, Molotov in Heimatar / Metropolis area, North Eastern Swat pirates quite a bit in those area's but none of us are outlaw status so that may not make us 'proper' pirates
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.02 15:32:00 - [62] Originally by: kessah Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 i actually agree with this, its not about a target being able to fire back, its about taking more risk that just your ship. Prime example of how hugging empire for to long warps the mind. Where is it defined that all pilots in 0.0 fight back? Far as I know, we as pirates operate in 0.0 for easy targets, miners, trade routes, and of course npc'ers (among other things). All of this happens in 0.0 as well Kessah. People do mine in 0.0, people do move full loads of minerals from one system to the other, very little actually trade, but more and more actually npc (for the ransom or kill). On top of all of that, you have more pilots who only want to PvP (fight) than empire low security. No doubt about that, but that's not everyone. Open up your eyes... 0.0 is no security space. The controlling faction/alliance that has claim to the region has the right to provide their own security and laws. Thus piracy is an act against that faction/alliance. Just as it is with NPC factions/alliances in empire. 0.4-0.1 is low security empire aka EMPIRE. Big difference between the two. More resources, more stations to hide in, and a lot more items/skills/ships that is easier to buy. Low security empire piracy = easy mode. Thank you and good nighT!
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.09.02 17:12:00 - [63] still here and still flashy - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.09.02 19:34:00 - [64] if it moves and its not blue it gets shot
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.02 21:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Pestilence Aligher'ri Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. As a player in piracy longer than the Muffinmen, this is incorrect. Originally by: Tobias Piracy is about the act, not about the location. This is correct. Funny how someone is quick to call people carebears and yet hug empire. One of the first pirate alliances in game that actually acomplished something good was "The Pirate Syndicate (TPS)". They were a 0.0 alliance with the act of piracy. That was obviously before you came into the trade Cranberry Muffinman. To answer the question of the original post though. Vile is still here and still hiding in the shadows in 0.0 piracy. i just want to let you know you have a problem with math like goonswarm your first corp who pirates was D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e from 2004.11.18 09:02 to 2004.11.22 00:40 i made the factory in mUfFiN fAcToRy from 2004.08.09 02:00 to this day other then that you created your character 2 months after me and State War Academy from 2004.01.24 20:37 to 2004.01.24 22:40 7months after my alt so be quite person who nobody has ever heard of Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.02 22:06:00 - [66] People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. When CCP implemented security hit for low sec kills they them selfs said here is the real pirates and here is the wannabes who go into 0.0 to get a kill on the weekends then go into empire in the week to run there missions. Sure they can be pirates but in reality are just wannabe pirates. Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.09.02 22:15:00 - [67] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 31/08/2007 11:36:13 Everyone knows that the decline of true piracy IRL is the cause of global warming; the decline of true piracy in EVE is certain to have dire consequences as well. We are doomed. What, are there no other pastafarians on this board?
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.02 22:23:00 - [68] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. People who pirate in low sec i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the heat from alliances so they run away to their precious care bear safe stations in empire. Works both ways. ------
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.03 04:32:00 - [69] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN i just want to let you know you have a problem with math like goonswarm your first corp who pirates was D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e from 2004.11.18 09:02 to 2004.11.22 00:40 i made the factory in mUfFiN fAcToRy from 2004.08.09 02:00 to this day Yes, as Pestilence, which might I add is my alt and not my main. Not that I'm hiding with posting my alt, when you see my main. None the less, Muffin Factory began on that date where deviance had already been well established. Meaning, you still have no ground to question those before you and have followed the paths of the established corps that yield and pass more knowledge down to the next generation at that time (me). Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. As a 0.0 pirate, all my characters have below -5.0 security statuses. Thats because I still use empire for my supplies (I don't use alts for income either, all ISK is from blood) and I shoot people going in and out of 0.0. 0.4 to 0.1 security space is still considered empire. Hate to break it to you, but you're just highlighting how you hug empire. Which by your definition means "carebear". I tend to agree. Quote: When CCP implemented security hit for low sec kills they them selfs said here is the real pirates and here is the wannabes who go into 0.0 to get a kill on the weekends then go into empire in the week to run there missions. Sure they can be pirates but in reality are just wannabe pirates. You were not the first pirate in EVE. Who really knows who really was. Thus we are all wannabes. But if you want to get technical being you did quote your corp birth date, you were obviously after such corps as deviance, DC, Biomass, and all the other famous and somewhat famous pirate corps in EVE. Then you would still be a wannabe by numbers and facts alone. Just to shoot out a prime example of a 0.0 pirate corp that everyone knows, it would be Burn Eden. Prime example of the statement that it's not the location but the act that defines piracy. salutes BE and corps like BE
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.09.03 05:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Pestilence Aligher'ri [...] all ISK is from blood [...] Just wanted to say that I really love that comment :P
Geoff C mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:06:00 - [71] Edited by: Geoff C on 03/09/2007 08:06:37 "where deviance had already been well established" lol LoL ive been playing since the 1rst month of 2004 and i have never heard of deviance a group a nobody's perhaps? And you talking trash about low sec proves you suck at being a pirate cause you have to go to low sec and use warp bubbles to get a kill. No true pirate would talk trash about low sec thats for sure. Call yourself a privateer but not a pirate because you are sure as hell are not one. BTW just cause someone shoots a random person in a ally and takes his wallet doesn't make them a pirate that makes them a thug, When concord recognizes you as a pirate your a pirate
Demarcus Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:08:00 - [72] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Being a pirate is governed by your actions not where you live. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:15:00 - [73] If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" People called pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:20:00 - [74] Mercenaries are soldiers under General Dolla Dolla Bill Yall Privateers are legal pirates to an extent by their nature 0.0 Space holding Alliances are waring nations so their soldiers are on sentry duty (bubble camps lolol) Pirates are scientists that convert Ammunition into IP (isk potential) using a process called **** you pay me. Local Thread 107-b
Demarcus Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.03 08:23:00 - [75] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Mercenary's kill for "money" Privateers sometimes kill for "money" Thats exactly right tbh, the only difference comes down to how they kill and if they offer a ransom. No ransom = no pirate. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2007.09.03 12:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Reverend Revelator Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Explain "real pirates"? I can explain, not you! The oposide of you! The question is siple.
Vampari Hawkus Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.03 12:14:00 - [77] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. Extortion has no bounds! Pirating has no bounds! --------- Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children.
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.09.03 12:34:00 - [78] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. When CCP implemented security hit for low sec kills they them selfs said here is the real pirates and here is the wannabes who go into 0.0 to get a kill on the weekends then go into empire in the week to run there missions. Sure they can be pirates but in reality are just wannabe pirates. I see where you're coming from but you shouldn't jump to conclusions. There are just more targets in 0.0 and someone doesn't magically stop being a pirate because he steps out of empire in search of profit.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.03 14:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Tarantelita Originally by: Reverend Revelator Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Explain "real pirates"? I can explain, not you! The oposide of you! The question is siple. Lots of letters missing from your post . I would petition that just tell the gm's that your keyboard desynched and show them this Local Thread 107-b
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.03 15:47:00 - [80] Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 03/09/2007 15:49:13 Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Mercenary's kill for "money" Privateers sometimes kill for "money" When a goverment/army takes over land to form a country. That would not be the act of piracy. See, we all make money. As we do in life with jobs. We are not defined by the same job in life because that would be to confusing. So we try to simplify it more in defining what we do. That way when we say we are a dish washer, we are not refering to a doctor. Welcome to EVE Cranberry
Jago Kain Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.03 16:39:00 - [81] Originally by: Pestilence Aligher'ri Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 03/09/2007 15:59:02When a goverment/army takes over land to form a country. That would not be the act of piracy. Go tell it to Iraq The next revolution won't be televised; it'll be pod-cast.
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2007.09.03 16:50:00 - [82] Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: Tarantelita Originally by: Reverend Revelator Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Explain "real pirates"? I can explain, not you! The oposide of you! The question is siple. Lots of letters missing from your post . I would petition that just tell the gm's that your keyboard desynched and show them this I did the petition and they did tell me that my key boared is fine, but in the same time they allso told me that your brain lacks of brain cells. I told them, "no he has all the brain cells he needs, look under his *** hat, they are hiding under it". Nublet, continue to mine.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:05:00 - [83] Originally by: Tarantelita Originally by: Captian Internet Originally by: Tarantelita Originally by: Reverend Revelator Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN BTW talking about real pirates not those who operate in 0.0 Explain "real pirates"? I can explain, not you! The oposide of you! The question is siple. Lots of letters missing from your post . I would petition that just tell the gm's that your keyboard desynched and show them this I did the petition and they did tell me that my key boared is fine, but in the same time they allso told me that your brain lacks of brain cells. I told them, "no he has all the brain cells he needs, look under his *** hat, they are hiding under it". Nublet, continue to mine. But I'm not a miner Local Thread 107-b
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:10:00 - [84] Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 03/09/2007 17:12:32 Originally by: Geoff C Edited by: Geoff C on 03/09/2007 08:06:37 "where deviance had already been well established" lol LoL ive been playing since the 1rst month of 2004 and i have never heard of deviance a group a nobody's perhaps? Deviance is beyond your time. They are not forum warriors thus you prob wouldn't know who they were. They did control the north with such forum warriors as Forsaken Empire in 2003-2004. As well a number of other pirate corps from low security empire that made up The Pirate Syndicate. Again all before your time. Quote: And you talking trash about low sec proves you suck at being a pirate cause you have to go to low sec and use warp bubbles to get a kill. No true pirate would talk trash about low sec thats for sure. Call yourself a privateer but not a pirate because you are sure as hell are not one. I don't know about you but I don't pirate in empire because for the low sec. I pirate for the money and booty... Make more sense when you type... Quote: BTW just cause someone shoots a random person in a ally and takes his wallet doesn't make them a pirate that makes them a thug, When concord recognizes you as a pirate your a pirate This is the prime example why you are new to the trade or haven't had any real guidence. Which might be true from what your leader is spouting about
IHurricane Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:12:00 - [85] Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Mercenary's kill for "money" Privateers sometimes kill for "money" Thats exactly right tbh, the only difference comes down to how they kill and if they offer a ransom. No ransom = no pirate. Yeah, try ransome someone at a gate in 0.0 and see what happens. ---------------------------------------
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:13:00 - [86] Originally by: IHurricane Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Mercenary's kill for "money" Privateers sometimes kill for "money" Thats exactly right tbh, the only difference comes down to how they kill and if they offer a ransom. No ransom = no pirate. Yeah, try ransome someone at a gate in 0.0 and see what happens. They run to the gate because you forgot to web them? Local Thread 107-b
Pestilence Aligher'ri Caldari V i L e	Posted - 2007.09.03 17:14:00 - [87] Originally by: IHurricane Originally by: Demarcus Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 03/09/2007 08:15:55 If that where true then i guess everyone would be a pirate cause. 0.0 Alliances kill for rare ore mining rights "money" Pirates kill for moduals and ransoms "money" Mercenary's kill for "money" Privateers sometimes kill for "money" Thats exactly right tbh, the only difference comes down to how they kill and if they offer a ransom. No ransom = no pirate. Yeah, try ransome someone at a gate in 0.0 and see what happens. Ransom is cool if you can work it, but I wouldn't bother wasting time. Really, only new pirates maybe like the muffinmen would actually open a window of weakness for a ransom than just hitting and running.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.09.03 20:39:00 - [88] Only a pirate if you ransom? Wow muffinman, you just completely threw away what might have been a winning argument with that little bit of insight.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2007.09.03 20:53:00 - [89] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. When CCP implemented security hit for low sec kills they them selfs said here is the real pirates and here is the wannabes who go into 0.0 to get a kill on the weekends then go into empire in the week to run there missions. Sure they can be pirates but in reality are just wannabe pirates. You obviously don't know much about this game, go back to watching Murder She Wrote while sitting on a gate for 19 hours, listening to the sweet sounds of gategun fire and popping haulers and whatever noob happens to be coming in. I moved to 0.0 about a month after I started playing (lowsec gets old FAST). I have yet to be positive sec (although, I will admit, I am rarely below -5.0, I rat for quick isk due to the lack of idiots undocking with faction gear in 0.0). I think the hardest mission I've done was a lvl 2 in a caracal just to see if it was something I'd enjoy. It was boring. (Making 100m in a radar site in 0.0 is easier, one a week keeps me pvping without care of losses). I joined after the WTZ nerf, so I wouldn't know how it was back then, although it is still pretty easy to camp gates in lowsec (stabed industrials > WTZ). I would say the main differences between 0.0 piracy and lowsec piracy are... 1) 0.0 has less hostiles (no really...), in lowsec you deal with a lot of random Mom camps and other pirates, but 0.0 tends to be nothing but ratters, as random pvp people don't sit on their own alliances gates for kicks. You can easily jump around, kill a few ravens or drakes, and then walk away when the blob comes. 2) 0.0 tends to have more BS ratters, and the industrials moving through the gates tend to have **** in them. 3) 0.0 piracy is a lot harder to do in that, when you enter the alliances region, a quick intel report and industrials stop movement and most ratters will safe up and cloak. I get more kills in lowsec because its just random nubs sitting in belts in their caracals or what have you. To me, piracy means killing someone who can't fight back. I'm a pirate (both lowsec and 0.0), but I'm also a pvper (of course, those 200v200 man fights tend to... lag me out) Do I make money pirating? No, I don't sit on the gates long enough to get lucky hauler kills. Of course, the 1.8m rats in 0.0 make it pretty easy to fit a new ship within the hour if needbe.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.04 05:04:00 - [90] Originally by: Arii Smith Only a pirate if you ransom? Wow muffinman, you just completely threw away what might have been a winning argument with that little bit of insight. your silly dude i know you dont want to read all the posts from everyone but i did not say that someone else said that Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Sharil	Posted - 2007.09.04 06:21:00 - [91] Cranberry, you're not a pirate. You're a moron.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.09.04 06:37:00 - [92] What about small corps that go into alliance space to pillage and plunder?
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.09.04 08:08:00 - [93] Originally by: Sharil Cranberry, you're not a pirate. You're a moron. ah yes another person to scared to use there main, its simple unlike you everyone else and myself we can agree to disagree, but because your a child your forced with your simpleton mind to use the words of a simpleton instead of acting like an adult. However eventually around the age your balls drop you should be able to express yourself like an adult. Until then im afraid im going to have to take away your super nintendo, and lower your bed time to 7pm, now go back to your room and play with the mega blocks. Check out http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/new.jpg
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:24:00 - [94] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN you earn the title pirate when you are hindered by taking a sec hit for a kill. Those who kill people in 0.0 are not pirate. ty for the definition kind sir, i always wondered what a pirate was... Well, **** 50, that makes you and your whole alliance pirate. Oh, and by-the-way, you useless blobbers. ;-) Cheers, -Karl
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.04 16:55:00 - [95] "How many pirate corps even left Since eve has gone WOW Carebear?" 17 Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Sharil	Posted - 2007.09.04 17:39:00 - [96] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Originally by: Sharil Cranberry, you're not a pirate. You're a moron. ah yes another person to scared to use there main, its simple unlike you everyone else and myself we can agree to disagree, but because your a child your forced with your simpleton mind to use the words of a simpleton instead of acting like an adult. However eventually around the age your balls drop you should be able to express yourself like an adult. Until then im afraid im going to have to take away your super nintendo, and lower your bed time to 7pm, now go back to your room and play with the mega blocks. Actually, moron,... I just started the game about a week and a half ago after clicking a Trial banner over on IGN. This is my main. This is also my only character. I have two empty login slots. I can screenshot to prove it, if you need proof. But only a toothless, backne scratching, fat, coca-cola addict would need proof.
Ibram Ancille Racketeers	Posted - 2007.09.04 18:33:00 - [97] Originally by: Sharil Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Originally by: Sharil Cranberry, you're not a pirate. You're a moron. ah yes another person to scared to use there main, its simple unlike you everyone else and myself we can agree to disagree, but because your a child your forced with your simpleton mind to use the words of a simpleton instead of acting like an adult. However eventually around the age your balls drop you should be able to express yourself like an adult. Until then im afraid im going to have to take away your super nintendo, and lower your bed time to 7pm, now go back to your room and play with the mega blocks. Actually, moron,... I just started the game about a week and a half ago after clicking a Trial banner over on IGN. This is my main. This is also my only character. I have two empty login slots. I can screenshot to prove it, if you need proof. But only a toothless, backne scratching, fat, coca-cola addict would need proof. I take it that since you only responded to the first sentence that the rest of his analysis is true?
Sharil	Posted - 2007.09.04 22:23:00 - [98] Edited by: Sharil on 04/09/2007 22:23:11 Originally by: Ibram Ancille Originally by: Sharil Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Originally by: Sharil Cranberry, you're not a pirate. You're a moron. ah yes another person to scared to use there main, its simple unlike you everyone else and myself we can agree to disagree, but because your a child your forced with your simpleton mind to use the words of a simpleton instead of acting like an adult. However eventually around the age your balls drop you should be able to express yourself like an adult. Until then im afraid im going to have to take away your super nintendo, and lower your bed time to 7pm, now go back to your room and play with the mega blocks. Actually, moron,... I just started the game about a week and a half ago after clicking a Trial banner over on IGN. This is my main. This is also my only character. I have two empty login slots. I can screenshot to prove it, if you need proof. But only a toothless, backne scratching, fat, coca-cola addict would need proof. I take it that since you only responded to the first sentence that the rest of his analysis is true? Wipe the drool off your chin, you brainless chimp.
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.04 23:36:00 - [99] Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN People who pirate in 0.0 i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the security hit so they can run there precious care bear lv 4missions in empire. People who pirate in low sec i don't count as pirates because they are to scared to take the heat from alliances so they run away to their precious care bear safe stations in empire. Works both ways. Actually, I don't think it does. Anyone who thinks that empire pirates get "no heat" from alliances is silly. Not to mention, there are NPC stations in 0.0. Truth be told, they are just two different ways to play the game. Neither is worse, and neither is better. -Karl
Ibram Ancille Racketeers	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:43:00 - [100] Originally by: Sharil Edited by: Sharil on 04/09/2007 22:26:43 Edited by: Sharil on 04/09/2007 22:23:11 Wipe the drool off your chin, you brainless chimp. I didn't respond because it wasn't worth responding to. I was commenting on his need to define and exclude what is and is not a pirate, and his slobbertastic way of going about it. His pathetic "go back to school, kid" come-back was as meaningful as your question. Woo Hoo!! A nerve seems to have been struck. I'm honored you even took the time to edit your post TWICE! His and your comments both are found in numerous forms all over this forum, get over it.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:06:00 - [101] Originally by: Sharil slobbertastic maybe Websters Dictionary can induct this word next year... "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
jnb School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:45:00 - [102] Well I, for one, certainly agree that carebears have won Eve ---------------------------------------------- Hulk Combat - When Carebears Attack!

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