Might just be me but the pirate faction ships are unbalanced in the sense that Gallente/Minmatar have 2 ships to choose from with pirate factions in each class of ship.

Sansha are Amarr/Caldari. Guristas are Gallente/Caldari, and they are shield tanking / drone+missile boats (and elite Guristas are called Dread Guristas, not black Guristas).

Mordus. The word you are looking for is Mordus.

Theres a large scope for new ships including new pirate factions, empire factions, and corperate (quafe ships!!). Thats not including adding to existing ideas...

Howerver making an end all super ecm pirate ship with a huge buffer and dmg progection... how about no

yes exactly what this game needs, moar ecm g@yness! Serpentis use damps I don't see you campaigning to get a damp bonus on the vindi!?


move along, nothing to see here......

T1 is all-around
T2 is roll specific
Navy(T1.3)is boosted combat/all-around
Pirate(T1.6) is style based(fast or passive or max damage or no escape)

A line of 3 ECM bonus ships is kinda more T2 than pie. Now an ECM bonus and other stuff that fits a style would be different.

Neut+web is "no escape", the web bonus is wasted buy the neut one after time in a fight. Its redundant and 2 different Ewar from 2 Different races.
That would be like yours being "crippling" and having both ECM and turret disruptors. So one ECM fails they still take a penalty to hit.

Blood Raiders- no escape
Gurista-pasive
Sansha's/Serpentis-max damage
Angels-speed

They all match the feel of the faction they belong to.

Aside from the fact that ECM and an armour tank is just better ECM( your-ECM+ECM+RANGE Vs. T1 caldari hulls-ECM+ECMorRANGE). Your Pairing a Multiplyer like Ewar with no drawback at all. Just not T2 level bounes to tank and ECM but tons of mids and lows.
Your simply removing the weakness of caldari ECM boats. Also most pie ships have a redundcy/overlap/underutilized bonus. All of your bonuses are good the whole fight and the ship takes full advantage of them all at once.

A fun, and pretty hot topic.

There's two sides to the argument, on one side the lack of armor-tanked options for players with predominant Caldari skillsets (no Caldari or Amarr BS with either enough slots for sufficient tank or Missile bonuses; Scorpion offering the tiebreaking example, and likely the base of Saldana's suggestion).

On the other hand you have the question of wether we need "more ECM", which is better exemplified wether we need ECM at that level of gameplay. The pirate-faction BS, as mentioned, cost a great deal and usually only see the light of day in very specific situations and a certain level of high-resource, well-composed, medium-scale gameplay. In that small frame the other pirate faction BS already have exceptionally strong EW and conceptual roles (Bhaalgorns, Vindicators - to some extent Machariels). Something as powerful as suggested could shake things up there, and is at least worth discussing (even if there's grounds to be sceptical as well).

Hurp.

I agree that the pirate factions should be balanced out. However, currently, the main weakness of ECM is that most ECM ships have no extremely minimal fighting or tanking abilities. Introducing a line of ships which has the best ECM strength in the game on top of having actual fighting abilities screams OP, unless they give it 1 low slot or something.

They are actually below the caldari recons in ECM strength, only by using 3-4 of your lows for signal amps would give you more then them.

Oh, nvm, I read that 125% ECM strength bonus as a +125% ECM strength bonus, which gives it entirely different meaning...

It is a 125% increase but the caldari recons get 30% per level which ends up being 150% at level 5.
The Scorpion have a 20% per level with a max of 100%, i thought it was fitting to have these ones in between.

dramiel, cynabal, machariel - speed, falloff range

They're essentially Winmatar ships that for some completely unknown reason also require Gallente ship skills. I mean, what exactly is Gallente about fast, shield-tanking, projectile-toting ships?

Why not EOM? Or Rogue Drone? Or space weasels?

I still want a viable passive shield tank on a laser ship.

Myrmidon.

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones, and 7.5% increase to armor repair amount per level

I still want a viable passive shield tank on a laser ship.

Q: Why are Rogue Drones not offering me ships?
GùªA: Rogue Drones do not care about politics, marketing or profit and as such you can't have their stuff, no matter how cool they may look. More accurately, they literally are the ship they infest, so any cohabitation with a pod-pilot would be short at best.

Q: Can we have ships from mini-factions like the Equilibrium of Mankind?
GùªA: Offering EoM ships to players would either mean having them drop through loot somehow, which is not really acceptable, or require them to be a fully fledged pirate organization, with territory, asteroid belt infestation, LP stores, agents and complexes. Doing so is a tremendous task which is not planned or even considered at the time being.

I can see it fitting something like this with pretty much no cpu/pg over

[Black Gurista Battleship]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Signal Distortion Amplifier II
Signal Distortion Amplifier II

ECM - White Noise Generator II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

So if you want more range you can fit dual heavy beam lasers or use some PG rigs/mods to fit bigger.
Also this cap wont last very long, standard crystals to save cap can be quite common.

I believe that if you are going to be jamming that you should have atleast 4 slots dedicated for jamming -- 1 for each racial. Id propose you drop 1 low for 1 mid. Or just give the thing a huge dronebay unbonused

I've always wanted to see both caldari/minmatar pirate ships and amarr/gallente pirate ships. Caldari/Minmatar boats could have shield resistance and projectile bonuses, and the Amarr/Gallente boats could have armor resistance and drone bonuses.

Why not EOM?

Caldari/Minmatar boats could have shield resistance and projectile bonuses.

...EoM.

They do use shield boosters (change the lore of this), rails, and.. missiles. In Amarr hulls. Kin type dmg dealt.

Any thoughts on implementing EoM for Caldari/Amarr to balance out each race having 3 potential options.. and making them missile/armor tank spitters with either 1 or all 3 having bonused TDs? Yes.. could argue that is sorta like amarr recons.. minus the T2 resists, neut/nos bonuses, and drone bonus. Instead EoM ones sacrifice the neut/nos ability (and not step on bloods toes too) for more dps.

So a mix of a vaga and a drake? Because that wouldnt be OP :P

Exactly, +1

Hulls already exist in-game (and are drop dead sexy).

Just needs some space allotted to them (New Nullsec NPC Regions sounds like a good addition to the game).

Rails + Armor + Decent Speed

Caldari and Amarr Skills Required.

Done and Done.