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Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:15:00 - [1] Amarr recon pilt here if you whine and say that these 2 ships are worthless then heres what you do: 1. Train up your industry skills. 2. Train up your trade skills. 3. Go to empire and build mods and sell them or run missions just be a complete and carebear since your too stupid and too much of a noob to realize the curse and pilgrim are still the best recons in the game. And if you can't figure out a good setup you don't deserve to fly these 2 great ships. Try different setups mine works great and I just had to SLIGHTLY change my ship setup. Still pwns bs's, still owns HACS, still is the ultimate ship for guerilla warfare. Still the same old ship just takes more skill to fly it and an understanding of game mechanics. CCP did this nerf to implement more of a use for medium energy nuetralizers since you rarley saw them on a curse or pilgrim cuz they were a hassle. Theres your 1 and only hint you peons.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:18:00 - [2] I may agree with most of what you said, and disagree entirely with how you said it. --
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Aeaus I may agree with most of what you said, and disagree entirely with how you said it. I agree with what he said, and how he said it. 90% of the Curse pilots in the game are whiners. [Video]Blood Corsairs - Day One
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Aeaus I may agree with most of what you said, and disagree entirely with how you said it. I agree with what he said, and how he said it. 90% of the Curse pilots in the game are whiners. I agree with what they said, and how they said it. All of the fotm pilots(obviously the pve(or semi-pve) counterparts are caldari) are whiners. Curse and pilgrim has been fotm lately. Postcount: 955200
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:27:00 - [5] fotm this means?
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Torothin fotm this means? flavor of the month. Have Curse and Pilgrim really been FOTM? really they're no worse than the rest of the nos/drone boats, and the curse has been doing its thing... well, for a long time. __________________________________
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:31:00 - [7] basically you have idiots who like to complain and not even try to toy around with their setups.
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:44:00 - [8] Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it.
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Depp Knight Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it. I have one that O have had success with. But will i give it out? Not a chance in hell.
Benedic The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.09.02 01:59:00 - [10] Curse is fine, Pilgrim has more options with more grid but it's still a bag of ass post nerf. You comment on your 'pwn' setup. I pretty much guarantee you aren't 'pwning' any competent pilot with any pilgrim setup in hacs, bcs, bs, cs. If you rarely saw med energy neuts prepatch then that can only confirm my suspicion that you only fight clueless noobs.
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:06:00 - [11] http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=22517 Theres a clueless noob for you.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Torothin Originally by: Depp Knight Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it. I have one that O have had success with. But will i give it out? Not a chance in hell. Right. First you try to tell people that they don't know what they are doing, then when they ask the mighty one what they are doing wrong then you go "LALALALA I WONT TELL YOU NUBS!". Which really adds a lot to the forum. But far, far more interesting, the exuro killboard showed one(1) solo kill worth mentioning, a ratting T1 hurricane, the rest were ganks where your little ship was placed around the same level as the tacklers in terms of damage. So not only are you an ass, you're also full of shit. Congrats. No one cares about your super-awesome pilgrim setup that totally owned a ratting hurricane. But I guess since it was your first solo kill or something then it was a big thing so you had to go to the forums and brag a bit or something. Or maybe it was such a magical moment that it warped your brain about the pilgrim forever, I don't know, don't really care. But some people might think you were making a serious post though, so please, wheel yourself out of here before people get confused. Pilgrims are arbitrators that can cloak, the end. Condolences for training amarr cruiser v.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Benedic Curse is fine, Pilgrim has more options with more grid but it's still a bag of ass post nerf. Have to agree with this. Admittedly I am not a PvPer and while I can fly a Pilgrim I never do. That said I know many Pvpers (sell then ships) and a few I would say would be ranked as among some of the best EVE has to offer. ALL of them have told me the Pilgrim is borked now. Maybe not truly awful but they would never opt to jump in one in place of its counterparts. The Curse they agree is not the ownage it once was but there is still life in the old girl. Take that FWIW.
Hail Xenu	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Torothin http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=22517 Theres a clueless noob for you. A ratting newbie corp guy?
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Torothin Originally by: Depp Knight Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it. I have one that O have had success with. But will i give it out? Not a chance in hell. Right. First you try to tell people that they don't know what they are doing, then when they ask the mighty one what they are doing wrong then you go "LALALALA I WONT TELL YOU NUBS!". Which really adds a lot to the forum. But far, far more interesting, the exuro killboard showed one(1) solo kill worth mentioning, a ratting T1 hurricane, the rest were ganks where your little ship was placed around the same level as the tacklers in terms of damage. So not only are you an ass, you're also full of shit. Congrats. No one cares about your super-awesome pilgrim setup that totally owned a ratting hurricane. But I guess since it was your first solo kill or something then it was a big thing so you had to go to the forums and brag a bit or something. Or maybe it was such a magical moment that it warped your brain about the pilgrim forever, I don't know, don't really care. But some people might think you were making a serious post though, so please, wheel yourself out of here before people get confused. Pilgrims are arbitrators that can cloak, the end. Condolences for training amarr cruiser v. This is serious here are some other interesting kills you pilgrim pilots might like look for something similiar in each kill:) -Myrmidon: http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=21903 -Megathron: http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=21904 -Harby: http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=21972 Theres plenty more here are just a few. And to the guy who said I didnt do enuff dps: -http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=29702 -http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=29459 Nothing but facts. If you have questions I can help with the pilgrim if you need to know tactics and of such. So don't hesitate to ask me about tactics.
Akat Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Benedic Curse is fine, Pilgrim has more options with more grid but it's still a bag of ass post nerf. You comment on your 'pwn' setup. I pretty much guarantee you aren't 'pwning' any competent pilot with any pilgrim setup in hacs, bcs, bs, cs. If you rarely saw med energy neuts prepatch then that can only confirm my suspicion that you only fight clueless noobs. Imo, pilgrim was and still is one of the most lethal recons that exists. All you need to use is that gray matter between your ears that "some" of us were blessed with. I have 2 setups in particular that have been able to destroy virtually anything, save command ships. I have yet to go toe-to-toe against one of them solo. The vast majority of my kills with the pilgrim are solo in 1v1 or slightly outnumbered situations. To me, it doesn't matter if I'm killing clueless noobs or competent pilots; I don't look at it that way. What it boils down to is I've killed many careless pilots who were very, very unlucky.
Torothin Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Hail Xenu Originally by: Torothin http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=22517 Theres a clueless noob for you. A ratting newbie corp guy? he was fully t2 fitted.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.09.02 03:34:00 - [18] as predicted, nos hasnt really changed all that much. sure, you can't use them totally carefree anymore but they're still the ole' cap-destroying-and-bringing high-slot modules. and they already used neutralizers before which are now easier to fit; lots of powergrid saved = more low-slots for speed (for example) - putting the gist back into logistics
Testosterone Bomb Red Ballz	Posted - 2007.09.02 03:51:00 - [19] Torothin thnx for the post , btw some thing that I think that most Curse / Pilgrim pilots are not talking about or have realized would be that with the tweak that was done to NOS , fewer players now just put a NOS in a high slot any longer as a no brainer thing to do. This makes NOS more of a module that it was meant to be but it also means that for this pliots in NOS & Pilgrims there are fewer ships that have a Heavy or Medium NOS to counter them with. Peace
Laughing Mime Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.02 04:00:00 - [20] Edited by: Laughing Mime on 02/09/2007 04:01:24 Originally by: Torothin he was fully t2 fitted. Correction: He was t2, ratting fitted (no cap booster) and rat specific hardened v explosive damage. Killing ratters means nothing, as do all the kills you linked in the above post. Everyone is either 2v1, against ratters with no cap boosters/rat specific hardeners, or both. Many t1 cruisers with the right fit could kill ratters, it cannot be used as the basis to judge the effectiveness of a recon ship.
Myra2007	Posted - 2007.09.02 04:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Torothin http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=22517 Theres a clueless noob for you. Nice kill on that deimos for sure. However arguably a deimos was a "soft" target for a pilgrim before due to its high cap dependancy and inability to fit web+mwd+scram+inject at one time. Try this with the new sacriledge or with an ishtar sometimes. You came into this thread stating that you still (post-nerf) "pwn" battleships. Can you also show me such a kill? Post nerf? Solo? After all you didn't even suggest one good fitting. What was the point of starting this thread? Showing off what a genius you are? Showing off how good you are as a pvper? If you like boasting then please backup your own claims. I wanna see pwned bs left and right. Frankly as a pilgrim pilot i know killing a competent bs pilot has seldomly been easy(especially post ecm nerf). So i ask myself if you even ever fought a good bs pilot pre-nerf.
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.02 04:51:00 - [22] http://killtracker.exuromortis.net/?p=history&s=22517 Hang on, anyone see a problem with that? Ill give you a little hint. The date!!
Ay'Not Sivad Minmatar D-L	Posted - 2007.09.02 04:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Ay''Not Sivad on 02/09/2007 04:58:16 Edited by: Ay''Not Sivad on 02/09/2007 04:57:54 i love when people post killmails showing them ''pwning'' people 2v1. 2 TI cruisers could take out a myrmi pilot, especially if he was rat fitted.i don't understand how two pilgrims versus a myrmi is even halfway of a good amount of proof. the curse and the pilgrim aren't completely screwed, they just have alot harder of a time now completely wtfpwning everything they warp to. "CCP did this nerf to implement more of a use for medium energy nuetralizers since you rarley saw them on a curse or pilgrim cuz they were a hassle. Theres your 1 and only hint you peons." have you even ever: A. Fitted a curse/pilgrim B. Seen the cookie cutter fittings for the curse/pilgrim? C. Stopped to think that maybe it's better to post threads that have some sort of point to them? I SELL SIGNATURES! PLEASE EVE-MAIL ME FOR MORE INFO!
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:49:00 - [24] torothin...you r so full of s..t !!!!! especialy with the kill mail, dates and etc !!!
Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Caligulus on 02/09/2007 06:54:27 Originally by: Torothin basically you have idiots who like to complain and not even try to toy around with their setups. ...and these "idiots" are any worse then the ones that complain about them on the forums how?
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:56:00 - [26] What i have noticed since rev 2.2 is that allmost all the curse pilots are idiots. reason why: they all flew the fotm nano damp curse and now cant even play it because they lost the easy mode setup now:P i laugh in your face. ADAPT... i have.... so use your brain cells --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Depp Knight Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it. 2x neut, 1x nos, cloak mwd, inj, point, rest is up to you med rep or 2 and rest of the tank --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
aUTOKILL Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Torothin Originally by: Depp Knight Actually most of these so called whiners are complaining about the pilgrim more so than the curse and not one person has come up with a pilgrim set up thats worth it. I have one that O have had success with. But will i give it out? Not a chance in hell. Right. First you try to tell people that they don't know what they are doing, then when they ask the mighty one what they are doing wrong then you go "LALALALA I WONT TELL YOU NUBS!". Which really adds a lot to the forum. But far, far more interesting, the exuro killboard showed one(1) solo kill worth mentioning, a ratting T1 hurricane, the rest were ganks where your little ship was placed around the same level as the tacklers in terms of damage. So not only are you an ass, you're also full of shit. Congrats. No one cares about your super-awesome pilgrim setup that totally owned a ratting hurricane. But I guess since it was your first solo kill or something then it was a big thing so you had to go to the forums and brag a bit or something. Or maybe it was such a magical moment that it warped your brain about the pilgrim forever, I don't know, don't really care. But some people might think you were making a serious post though, so please, wheel yourself out of here before people get confused. Pilgrims are arbitrators that can cloak, the end. Condolences for training amarr cruiser v. umm who puts a cap booster on their deimos when you need both a web and a disruptor to hold a target down w/o gang support. and to those whom say Toro doesnt know what he is talking about, stfu seariously. Toro is one of the best pilgrief piolots i know right next to SLIM ~~~~~~ Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov "Wanna come back to my place for some pew pew?" Originally by: lofty29 I HEREBY DECREE THAT FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, DARK SHIKARI IS TO BE REFERRED TO AS "DUTCH CURRY"
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:56:00 - [29] This thread is a troll, no one can be that stupid. Caldari and proud
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 02/09/2007 07:57:41 Torothin you are an EPIC FAIL and you dont deserve to fly amarr ships

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