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Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:27:00 -
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Scimitar: sim-i-tar
Seriously. It's not like it's an uncommon word like "Naglfar" or "Rokh". |

Mister Spanky
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:30:00 -
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Also An-ath-em-a and not "Ana-theema".
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Kwa Kaine
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:32:00 -
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It's not like naglfar or rokh are hard to pronounce either.
We really do need a pronunciation manual for all evetv staff though.
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Xantia Gedur
House of Gedur
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:36:00 -
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It's actually pronounced "schim-i-tar"
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Nanfoodle
Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xantia Gedur It's actually pronounced "schim-i-tar"
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Mister Spanky
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xantia Gedur It's actually pronounced "schim-i-tar"
Sim-it-ar actually.
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isdisco3
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: isdisco3 on 02/09/2007 19:42:04 Watching his sad and awkward attempts at flirting is almost more entertaining than the actual fights. This is of course countered with hatret at his 8 different ways of pronouncing scimitar (none of which are right).
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Qim Tra'ageser
Minmatar Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:42:00 -
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From the French "cimeterre," the spelling likely influenced by the Italian "scimitarra." The spelling does not influence the pronunciation, which all English dictionaries agree is "SIM-i-tur" or "SIM-i-tar." |

Xantia Gedur
House of Gedur
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:44:00 -
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That dictionary site is american.
It's actually pronounced: "schim-i-tar", the 'h' is very very quiet but is there in the spoken word.
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Skank CEO
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:44:00 -
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Restraining order: reh-stray-ning or-durr
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Kwa Kaine
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xantia Gedur That dictionary site is american.
It's actually pronounced: "schim-i-tar", the 'h' is very very quiet but is there in the spoken word.
Muppet.
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Petter Sandstad
Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:46:00 -
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A few other mispronounced ship-names:
Deimos: It is ancient greek, where "ei" is pronounced as "ee". i.e. it should be pronounced "Dee-mos". Cerberus: This is latin, where every "c" are pronounced as a "k". i.e. it should be pronounced "Kerberus".
Await any updates when I remember any other mispronounced ships-names.
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Qim Tra'ageser
Minmatar Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:46:00 -
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The nice fellow in the camouflage shirt is obviously American, so his pronunciation should reflect that. It's not an accent issue in this case--it is him not knowing how to pronounce it. We aim to educate. |

isdisco3
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:53:00 -
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and in no way is that vaga a 'gingerbread man.'
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Acidictadpole on 02/09/2007 20:00:11
Originally by: Petter Sandstad A few other mispronounced ship-names:
Deimos: It is ancient greek, where "ei" is pronounced as "ee". i.e. it should be pronounced "Dee-mos". Cerberus: This is latin, where every "c" are pronounced as a "k". i.e. it should be pronounced "Kerberus".
Await any updates when I remember any other mispronounced ships-names.
Cerberus{sur'-bur-uhs}Greek
The word is originally greek, Kerberos, but it infact pronounced as an 'S'.
sry
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pastafarianist
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:01:00 -
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namtzaarkin
free-gee
how hard can that be
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Petter Sandstad
Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Acidictadpole Edited by: Acidictadpole on 02/09/2007 20:00:11 Cerberus{sur'-bur-uhs}Greek
The word is originally greek, Kerberos, but it infact pronounced as an 'S'.
sry
The form used in EVE is the latin form. The greek form is Kerberos (Κέρϐερος). They should be pronounced similar. No way Kappa is pronounced as Sigma in ancient greek (modern greek is something entirely different).
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Acidictadpole
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Petter Sandstad
Originally by: Acidictadpole Edited by: Acidictadpole on 02/09/2007 20:00:11 Cerberus{sur'-bur-uhs}Greek
The word is originally greek, Kerberos, but it infact pronounced as an 'S'.
sry
The form used in EVE is the latin form.
proof plz. (Not saying I don't believe you, but I'de like to see it).
I wouldn't be too miff'd about using a correct pronunciation even if it's the wrong one.. Such as tomaytoe, or tomahtoe.. Both are acceptable to me.
As long as it is a correct pronunciation I don't think there is a major problem, but nowhere that I know of is scimitar pronounced skim-a-tar.
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Ynno
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:38:00 -
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Ceberus may be from Greek mythology and have come through Latin but regardless it is now a word in the English language and as is the case for many words is pronounced differently to the way it is in its original tongue. The only listing for pronunciation in the OED is 'sə:bərəs.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:41:00 -
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you know...i dunno...
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Ynno
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ynno on 02/09/2007 20:41:35
Originally by: Xantia Gedur That dictionary site is american.
It's actually pronounced: "schim-i-tar", the 'h' is very very quiet but is there in the spoken word.
Is the OED also American? Only pronunciation according to that is 'simitə.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:55:00 -
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You realy shouldn't care so much. Also, however a word was pronounced in it's original language, that being greek or latin, has a lot to do with the english pronounciation but it's not imperative to be exactly the same. It is pronounced the way linguists wanted to, not to be faithful to the original word, but to be easily used by the common people. Evidently, some words "evolved" even further on a day to day basis to be pronounced more easily, with little regard to their origin... Honestly, stop making such a big deal out of this. 
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Angelik'a
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Xantia Gedur It's actually pronounced "schim-i-tar"
Wait till I go get the "sch-is-ors" to cut some stuff then 
And Deimos - in most modern languages it would probably pronounced "Die-moss" as the ei sound usually makes an "i" and ie makes for an "e" sound (not in all languages, but the few that I speak 
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Ynno
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ynno on 02/09/2007 21:07:36
Originally by: Angelik'a And Deimos - in most modern languages it would probably pronounced "Die-moss" as the ei sound usually makes an "i" and ie makes for an "e" sound (not in all languages, but the few that I speak 
Well in German ei sounds like the word "eye", but obviously that has nothing to do with how Deimos is pronounced. In English ei is usually either like ay or ee, but it's not really obvious which it should be in this case unless maybe you know its pronunciation in Greek (which I don't). To be honest it doesn't really matter.
It kind of annoys me when Zealot is pronounced zee-lot, since that's a far more common word in English, but if people understand what they mean how does it effect anything?
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Petter Sandstad
Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ynno Ceberus may be from Greek mythology and have come through Latin but regardless it is now a word in the English language and as is the case for many words is pronounced differently to the way it is in its original tongue. The only listing for pronunciation in the OED is 'sə:bərəs.
Yes, you have a point there. But both the words that I mentioned are only used in ancient greek and latin texts, or modern adaptations of the ancient texts. They are not in active use in the english language. Hence I favour the original pronounciation.
Originally by: ElCoCo You realy shouldn't care so much.
Pheraps not. I for sure am not going to flame every person on EVETV that does not pronounciate it as I have here explained. But I think it would be worth writing these few posts to hear but one single commentator pronounciate it correctly.
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Aran Cole
Minmatar The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aran Cole on 02/09/2007 21:11:21 Edited by: Aran Cole on 02/09/2007 21:10:57 Shut up, I'm awesome! 
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Silvitni
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:11:00 -
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Quote: The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short).
In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy.
Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter.
In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go.
By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by " v".
During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst place....
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Kain De'Stroi
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:18:00 -
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ffs, i would not like to have any of you in my gangs 
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Va'sa'ri kofa
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Petter Sandstad A few other mispronounced ship-names:
Deimos: It is ancient greek, where "ei" is pronounced as "ee". i.e. it should be pronounced "Dee-mos". Cerberus: This is latin, where every "c" are pronounced as a "k". i.e. it should be pronounced "Kerberus".
Await any updates when I remember any other mispronounced ships-names.
The "c" is pronounced as a "k" if its before "a", "o", u" and consonants ; every other cases "c" pronounced as a "c". In latin.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:39:00 -
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And since Cerberus is (was) a name, that affects things a bit as well. Being a personal friend of the three-headed dog guardian of the gates of Hell, I can speak with authority when I say that he prefers it pronounced as Serberus... far be it from me to disagree.
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Jay Deah
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jay Deah on 02/09/2007 22:00:31
Originally by: Angelik'a
Originally by: Xantia Gedur It's actually pronounced "schim-i-tar"
And Deimos - in most modern languages it would probably pronounced "Die-moss" as the ei sound usually makes an "i" and ie makes for an "e" sound (not in all languages, but the few that I speak 
you sure on that one? can you give any examples? have you truly seized this topic?
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Nanus Parkite
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.09.02 22:11:00 -
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Most English (subject not nationality) students I know would say that it's pronounced however people want to pronounce it and what it says in the dictionary means squat.
Then again most English students I know probably go a bit faint when presented with a problem that has a right answer 
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Petter Sandstad
Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Petter Sandstad on 02/09/2007 22:16:16 Edited by: Petter Sandstad on 02/09/2007 22:15:52
Originally by: Va'sa'ri kofa The "c" is pronounced as a "k" if its before "a", "o", u" and consonants ; every other cases "c" pronounced as a "c". In latin.
That does not apply for Classical latin. There every "c" is always with no exception pronounced as "k". What you have written applies for both Ecclesiastical latin and anglo-latin. But as the texts containing the mythical creature are from the classical period, classical latin is what applies.
So it is pronounced as Kerberus, Julius Kµisar, Kikero, etc. for anything from the classical period (or should be pronounced like that atleast.
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.02 22:26:00 -
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The answer to all pronunciation problems...

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Charles Schwab
The Charles Schwab Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.02 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Charles Schwab on 02/09/2007 22:32:41 Have any of the hosts pulled a "Zee-lott" yet? I haven't been watching enough to notice. ___
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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.02 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Petter Sandstad Edited by: Petter Sandstad on 02/09/2007 22:16:16 Edited by: Petter Sandstad on 02/09/2007 22:15:52
Originally by: Va'sa'ri kofa The "c" is pronounced as a "k" if its before "a", "o", u" and consonants ; every other cases "c" pronounced as a "c". In latin.
That does not apply for Classical latin. There every "c" is always with no exception pronounced as "k". What you have written applies for both Ecclesiastical latin and anglo-latin. But as the texts containing the mythical creature are from the classical period, classical latin is what applies.
So it is pronounced as Kerberus, Julius Kµisar, Kikero, etc. for anything from the classical period (or should be pronounced like that atleast.
Just for fun:
/me digs out Latin textbook
"A word of more than two syllables is stressed on the penultimate" "c as English 'c' in 'cat' (not 'cider', 'cello')" "e as in English 'pet'" "u as in English 'put'"
So, from what I recall, it would sound something like: "ker-BER-us"
Of course, Cerberus is Greek and not Latin which means that this is all out to lunch anyways.
Wikipedia entry:
"In Greek mythology, Cerberus or Kerberos (Greek Κέρβερος, Kerberos, "demon of the pit") was the hound of Hades, a monstrous three-headed dog (sometimes said to have 50 or 100 heads) called a hellhound."
I don't know Attic Greek, so I can't comment on the pronunciation, but I think this whole thread is pretty silly.
Personally, I would pronounce it "serb". I know everyone understands me when I say that. Give the announcers a break. --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |

Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.09.02 23:06:00 -
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I'll take swords for 500 Bob.
That's s-words.
Swords.
The ***** mightier for 800.
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Abye
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 23:20:00 -
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English is pretty liberal with the phonetics. Even the northeners in EveTV sound different than the London area folks.
Since people dig out wikipedia:
Quote:
Scimitar IPA: [ˈsɪmɪtɑː(ɹ)] . . . Etymology The word "scimitar", known in English since 1548, derived from Medieval French cimeterre (15c.) or directly from Italian scimitarra, of unknown origin. Ottoman Turkish would be the expected source, but no such word has been found there. The probable origin of scimitar is from the Persian shim- or shamshir (said to be derived from Middle Persian "shafshēr" meaning; "lion's claw" (sham = claw, shir = lion) ùin reference to the sword's curveùbut this is presumably a folk etymology, as the word is already attested in Middle persian with the meaning "sword.").
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scimitar ___
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Hait
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Posted - 2007.09.02 23:22:00 -
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Orree on 06/09/2007 23:27:05
Originally by: Acidictadpole Edited by: Acidictadpole on 02/09/2007 20:00:11
Originally by: Petter Sandstad A few other mispronounced ship-names:
Deimos: It is ancient greek, where "ei" is pronounced as "ee". i.e. it should be pronounced "Dee-mos". Cerberus: This is latin, where every "c" are pronounced as a "k". i.e. it should be pronounced "Kerberus".
Await any updates when I remember any other mispronounced ships-names.
Cerberus{sur'-bur-uhs}Greek
The word is originally greek, Kerberos, but it infact pronounced as an 'S'.
sry
I'm always amazed by the poor pronunciation skills people seem to have and by the way even native English speakers haven't a clue how to pronounce common words in their own language.
People are always Adding letters to words...changing their order. One of my personal faves is the "macksaw."
This thread sounds like me on our TS server every time someone butchers a word and I'm present. 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nanus Parkite Most English (subject not nationality) students I know would say that it's pronounced however people want to pronounce it and what it says in the dictionary means squat.
Then again most English students I know probably go a bit faint when presented with a problem that has a right answer 
It's the classic debate of prescriptivist and descriptivist linguistics. The former group proclaims that language is a set-in-stone collection of rules that must be obeyed at all times by all speakers of that language, and that any variance is merely degradation or just plain wrong. The latter group says that linguistics is just a description of the way people communicate, and that any accepted form of communication is a legitimate form of language.
The first group would be spinning in their seats at the thought of someone pronouncing "deimos" with a hard E or some such, while the latter group says that as long as we all understand what you mean, it's probably OK  ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:06:00 -
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I pronounce it Freh-geh myself.
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SoulBlythe
KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education
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Posted - 2007.09.07 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: SoulBlythe on 07/09/2007 01:46:09 has anyone considered that they are at CCP HQ and maybe those who actually name the items and content should give them the pronunciations as they intended from concept?
When it comes to the Alliance names, that too should be provided by those who issue the name so it is correct. Hell even dictionary.com has .wav files with correct ways to say the words. Try opening Microsoft sound recorder and doing it that way. 
I think this would solve the whole debate be it correct linguistics or not.
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Zeoliter
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.07 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Spanky Also An-ath-em-a and not "Ana-theema".
It is pronounced "Ana-theema". The American version is like "an-nath-ema. In English English the inflection is on the second syllable.
Americans says "Zellot" and the originators of the language say "Zeelot".
You say Tomeito and we say Tomaato and all that jazz.
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.09.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Petter Sandstad
The form used in EVE is the latin form.
and you have proof of this? its an S not a K....if anything im tired of people pronouncing it Seerebus.
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