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Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:25:47 Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:24:08 Almost every day someone seems to post on this forum and ask how to use mobile laboratories, so I thought I'd try and answer all the common questions (and some of the less common ones) in one thread. Labs are intimately tied to corp structure and POS management- two of the most complex and nebulous parts of the game- so perhaps it's not surprising that a lot of people are confused about them. 1. How can I do research without keeping my BPOs at the POS? The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. You will need the skill Scientific Networking I to start a job in this manner. 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? Yes, provided that they are set up as described above, and you have the necessary level of Scientific Networking. You're limited to regional range (at level V). 3. How do I set the fees people pay to use my labs? Once you've got all your labs anchored, right click on them and give each one a unique name. You don't have to do this, but it makes it much easier to manage large numbers of labs. Then go to the Installations tab of the Science & Industry screen. Select one lab (the names you entered should be listed) and then hold shift + click to select all slots of one type. Then a 'Manage Assemblylines' button will appear. Here's an example of what this looks like: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/KzIg/lab_setup.JPG 4. How can alliance members use my labs? Your alliance mates need to get their own corp hangars in the same system and keep their BPOs there. They can then start jobs remotely. At the moment, only ME and PE research is possible, and only for blueprints that don't need any materials for those types of research. This is a completely secure means of research. The tower owner has no opportunity to steal any blueprints from alliance members in other corporations. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/09/2007 10:25:59 5. How can my corp members use my labs? This is messier, and requires trust in both directions. Unless you're a director, you need the following roles/permissions: Factory Manager Rent research slot Take access to a corp wallet division (unless the labs are free to use). Take access to a corp hangar division. . N.B. Factory Managers can cancel production/research jobs started by anyone in the corp, not just their own jobs. Do not give this role to people you don't trust! With this setup, people can do remote ME/PE research and copying. Copies appear in the labs at the POS when jobs are delivered, so someone with POS access has to retrieve them. Invention jobs can only be started when you're floating in space right next to the labs. If you want people to be able to retrieve copies and provide their own materials for jobs, they'll need starbase access. The exact roles you need to give your researchers depend on the role requirements you set via the 'Access' tab of the POS management screen (right click tower -> Manage -> Structures -> Access). They'll also need hangar take (other) for the division hangar they'll be using for their jobs. If you want a few researchers to be able to access the labs and keep the rest of the corp out, one option is to set the access requirement to 'Caretaker' and give your researchers the 'Fuel Technician' role, then only allow config managers to refuel the POS. Our lives would be easier if there was a dedicated starbase research role, but for now we have to be creative. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:22:00 - [3] Reserved. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
PuJu Sovereign Corp	Posted - 2007.09.05 12:03:00 - [4] Nice guide, answered a few questions I had. Thanks!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.05 13:36:00 - [5] How do you research tech II blueprints at a POS without having the blueprint there?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 13:55:00 - [6] I've updated the answer to the #1 to include this. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.09.06 00:42:00 - [7] Excellent guide. I hope you don't mind if I submit a link to the Useful Links thread at the top of this forum? -------------------------------------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 05:32:00 - [8] I have a POS Lab, have all requisite roles / skills... I have no take access to any corp wallet, i have put access or give access if u will. The fee's for both install/hour are 0.00 and it still complains that i need take access on at least one corp wallet to install my job. Wondering if there is something i'm missing?
Horoc'h Ryydell Gallente Midnight Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.06 07:39:00 - [9] The guide is wrong in stating you don't need wallet access if the costs are 0. You always need wallet access. Or at least, as far as I know. -- We are Recruiting! (New players welcome and trained)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 11:14:00 - [10] Thank you, this has now been corrected. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

Bublim	Posted - 2007.09.06 14:49:00 - [11] Nice guide! Looking forward to upgrading some labs to advanced versions! One thing though: Quote: Invention jobs can only be started when you're floating in space right next to the labs. This statement isn't correct. If you leave all your invention materials in the lab you will be using to invent, as well as a single BPC, you can start invention jobs using BPCs from a corp hangar in the same system. The invention job will be satisfied with the copy present in the lab, which allows you to start the job, but will consume the BPC from the corp hangar.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 06/09/2007 15:32:31 I wonder whether that behaviour is by design? It's almost an almost useless feature as far as I can tell; it's usually much less work just to leave the BPCs in the labs. I suppose the only advantage it has is that the BPC will be viewable from the 'Corp Blueprints' screen, allowing people to start jobs remotely if they have everything in place. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:36:00 - [13] Very helpful. Bookmarking == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:07:00 - [14] How do I rent out lab slots publically? (to those not in corp/alliance)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:15:00 - [15] Alas, this is impossible. Slots are shown (to Alliance/Corp members only) as being 'Publicly Available', but they aren't; this is why research alliances are so popular at the moment. Zzz is such an alliance Anyway, I've added this to the list... My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:22:00 - [16] On a less technical note, if I was looking to setup a research POS or two and make it publically available for a fee, what sort of qualities am I looking for in the system I would setup these research POSes? It seems that research slots in stations are always booked, and I would like to have my own research POS, but would like to make some cash off of it, but I just can't decide what sort of system I should make my goal for anchoring my first POS. Any advice appreciated. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 19:17:00 - [17] Well, here's a list of things to think about: Does the system have at least one available moon? Are any offices available in the system? If so, how many? How much do they cost? What is the security level of the system? How do you plan to obtain the necessary standings to anchor your tower(s) there? How far is the system from the nearest trade hub? Which alliance are you going to join? Is that alliance already operating a tower in that area? Are any competing alliances operating nearby? If so, what are their rates? How will you pay for fuel if you don't get very many customers? Many operators provide alliance research slots at what would be a loss if that was the only source of income from their towers. It is unlikely that you would achieve a profit just from other people doing their research at your tower. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:00:00 - [18] These are incorrect Take access to a corp wallet division (even if the labs are free to use). Take access to a corp hangar division. If the lab slots have 0 installation cost and 0 charge then corp wallet access isn't required (this is on the Sisi build) You specially do not need and should not give take access to the corp hangar with BPOs in them. You don't need take access to put BPOs in labs just be able to see the BPOs. 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? I would change that title it's slightly misleading, more like: 2. Can I start jobs when I am many jumps away from my BPOs and POS? Otherwise good stuff, you even taught an old dog some new tricks -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.07 14:55:00 - [19] The question of whether or not you give your corp researchers take access depends on who owns the blueprints that are being researched, and how much they trust each other. If you want to let people get on with their own research, it's a pain for someone else to have to hand over everything for them. As for wallet access, I expect most corps could spare a division to use for paying fees. Other people have claimed the opposite of what you've stated regarding free labs, so I'll wait until I get a chance to test it myself. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 07/09/2007 15:17:54 The question of whether or not you give your corp researchers take access depends on who owns the blueprints that are being researched, and how much they trust each other. If you want to let people get on with their own research, it's a pain for someone else to have to hand over everything for them. As for wallet access, I expect most corps could spare a division to use for paying fees. Other people have claimed the opposite of what you've stated regarding free labs, so I'll wait until I get a chance to test it myself. EDIT: I've tested this on TQ and it works. The guide has now been reverted Tested what in relation to what and which way works? -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:31:00 - [21] The bit with the note in green to one side of it. (free jobs don't require wallet take access) My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:22:00 - [22] I still can't start jobs, still receive error requiring corp wallet divison access. Guess i should petition it?
Ghirard Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:26:00 - [23] The price to install/per hour is 0.0 isk, should it say something like free instead?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:54:00 - [24] No; if both costs are zero, you should be able to use the slots. I ought to admit at this point that the test I did was with a rapid assembly array rather than a lab - perhaps access requirements are slightly different? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Daniel Zbacnik Caldari The Inquisitors	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:18:00 - [25] Concerning #11. Question: Is it possible to allow members from one corp to access the ME/PE lab slots at a POS in another corp? Even if the corps aren't in the same alliance?
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.13 09:25:00 - [26] Some questions I'd love to see answered, either here, or if someone can link me to more information elsewhere. 1. What about manufacturing? Is there any level of remote manufacturing possible using ship assembly or module assembly arrays? If minerals are in the outpost/npc station, etc... Or are you limited to using a factory slot at the outpost/NPC station. (I live in 0.0, so it's always outposts for me.) 2. How about copying? If you do a copy of a BPO that you have query-only access to, can you redirect the copy to a second hangar that you have read-write access to? Basically I'm looking for a formula for 'safe' use of expensive BPOs by corp members, even allowing them to make copies for their personal profit. (I don't care what they do with copies, so long as the original is safe.)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:30:00 - [27] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/09/2007 11:32:10 Originally by: Crafty McBuildsalot Some questions I'd love to see answered, either here, or if someone can link me to more information elsewhere. 1. What about manufacturing? Is there any level of remote manufacturing possible using ship assembly or module assembly arrays? If minerals are in the outpost/npc station, etc... Or are you limited to using a factory slot at the outpost/NPC station. (I live in 0.0, so it's always outposts for me.) Remote manufacturing works in exactly the same way - materials have to be at the POS in the array, and the blueprint has to be in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system. You can then start the job from various distances within the region depending on your level of Supply Chain Management. Quote: 2. How about copying? If you do a copy of a BPO that you have query-only access to, can you redirect the copy to a second hangar that you have read-write access to? Basically I'm looking for a formula for 'safe' use of expensive BPOs by corp members, even allowing them to make copies for their personal profit. (I don't care what they do with copies, so long as the original is safe.) Copies always end up in the mobile lab, in the specified corp hangar division. You have several options: Grant no further access and retrieve the BPCs yourself. Set your researching corp mate up so that they are 'Based At' the solar system with the POS in it. Then grant them take access to a division under the 'Other' heading, but not at the 'Based At' heading. Get a director to lock down the BPOs and give your researchers access to whatever divisions you like- your researchers will not be able to remove the BPOs unless a majority of shareholders votes in favour of it, or someone unrents the office, retrieves the BPO from the impound hangar and gives it to them (this is petitionable). For the second two options, you will need to give your researchers sufficient roles to access the labs at the POS - I've already posted a couple of suggestions on how this can be done. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:53:00 - [28] Nice guide: Regarding #10: A BPC copy does not need to be at the lab input hangar for remote installation of invention jobs. (everything else has to, including the optional decryptors and base items, if these are used). The install screen will tell you that the BPC is missing, but the job will still be installed. Note also that there is a 5 minute delay in the appearance of these optional ingredients if a manager places them there for remote invention for another member. Re-logging is the only workaround. Manufacturing is exactly the same as copying, T2 research etc. in the respect that only corp members can use these features. Other alliance corps can not deploy their own corp hangars at your POS, and their members cannot be granted access to your hangars. Selling PERFECT PRINTS of 674 of the 730 seeded T1 BPOs: Ships, modules, rigs, drones, ammo, probes, components and capital mods, drones & ammo. (Cap Ships, Cap Components and Outposts 2007/2008)
Dr Ming Mindworks	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:50:00 - [29] What happens to a BPO that your researching from a station hanger, and the mobile lab is destroyed while it is in research?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:43:00 - [30] Once I've tested that on singularity, I'll tell you. I expect the job is cancelled and you get the BPO back. While I'm there, I'll check what happens if the lab is unanchored & repackaged. What I can tell you right now, however, is that jobs are paused when labs go offline, and resume when the labs go back online. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats



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