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Dr Ming Mindworks	Posted - 2007.09.14 05:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/09/2007 22:25:16 Once I've tested that on singularity, I'll tell you. I expect the job is cancelled and you get the BPO back. While I'm there, I'll check what happens if the lab is unanchored & repackaged. What I can tell you right now, however, is that jobs are paused when labs go offline, and resume when the labs go back online. EDIT: One test server POS siege later... The job first goes to the 'Offline' state when the tower is destroyed. Then, when the lab is destroyed, it is automatically cancelled and the BPO returns to the corp hangar it was in when the job was started. Great information.
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.14 22:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Remote manufacturing works in exactly the same way - materials have to be at the POS in the array, and the blueprint has to be in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system. You can then start the job from various distances within the region depending on your level of Supply Chain Management. OK, I'd like to clarify this a little as I'm really looking to shape this into a HOWTO. Let's assume the following: Corp hangar has the following divisions: Minerals (Read only) BPOs (Read only) Corp General (Read/Write) If a person has query-only, no take, on the BPO hangar, they can drop minerals into the mineral hangar, and produce from there. Will they be able to set the job's output to be the Corp General hangar? (I see the input/output dropdowns, but not real clear on how they operate.) Will they need take on the mineral hangar, or can I set that to query only. (You can add to a hangar with query I think, just not remove.) Is the above hanger layout one that many corps use? Is there a better setup? Quote: Copies always end up in the mobile lab, in the specified corp hangar division. Is the 'specified' hangar division selectable when the job is submitted? i.e., with the above hangar setup, can I make a copy of a BPO from the BPO hangar and have the copies come out in Corp General? (That way people can pick up their own output.)
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.14 23:00:00 - [33] Oh, the director lockdown option, is that just a right click and 'lock item' like it is in secure containers? (I'd never seen this before.) If an item is locked in a hanger that otherwise everyone has take access on, it still cannot be taken?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.15 09:46:00 - [34] The input hangar is where materials for jobs are taken from, and the output hangar is where BPCs or manufactured items appear when the job is delivered. The input hangar doesn't have to be the hangar that the BPOs are kept in. You can give people take access to an (empty) output hangar division and query access to an input division, allowing them to produce things without being able to steal the entire corp supply of raw materials. I have no idea which setups are most commonly used. To lock down BPOs, a director right-clicks them when they're in a corp hangar, and selects 'Propose lockdown vote'. The BPO is temporarily locked down, and all the corp's shareholders get an eve-mail about the vote and can vote for or against the lockdown (Corp -> Politics -> Sanctionable Actions -> Not in effect). Once a majority has been reached in favour, the lockdown continues indefinitely, until a majority of shareholders votes to rescind the lock. If a majority is never reached in the original lockdown vote, I think the BPO loses the temporary lock. While a BPO is locked down, there is no legitimate means by which anyone can take it, even the CEO. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Calidor Droks Caldari No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 12:14:00 - [35] What if there are no shares or only the CEO has shares can he/she lock them down alone ?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.15 13:46:00 - [36] I think all corps start with 1000 shares - in the corp wallet. I haven't tested what happens if none of the shares are held by individual characters. If one director/CEO holds more than 50% of the shares, that person can lock/unlock BPOs on their own. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Crafty McBuildsalot	Posted - 2007.09.16 06:50:00 - [37] Rather than locking down each BPO, the idea of an entire query-only BPO hanger seems simpler. Anyone could drop a BPO in there for corp use. People could make copies into an empty corp hangar and pick up the copies that way. So does my proposed hangar setup sound like it would work? Does it make sense to label it a 'good idea'? * Minerals (Query) <-- Miners drop minerals here. (At POS) * BPOs (Query) <-- Directors acquire BPOs and put there here. Anyone can add ME to them in a lab. (This can be at the outpost, even when manufacturing, yes?) * Output (Take) <-- Usually empty. Output of the jobs people run. BPCs from copy jobs or items/ships from manufacturing jobs.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.16 08:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Crafty McBuildsalot Rather than locking down each BPO, the idea of an entire query-only BPO hanger seems simpler. Anyone could drop a BPO in there for corp use. People could make copies into an empty corp hangar and pick up the copies that way. So does my proposed hangar setup sound like it would work? Does it make sense to label it a 'good idea'? * Minerals (Query) <-- Miners drop minerals here. (At POS) * BPOs (Query) <-- Directors acquire BPOs and put there here. Anyone can add ME to them in a lab. (This can be at the outpost, even when manufacturing, yes?) * Output (Take) <-- Usually empty. Output of the jobs people run. BPCs from copy jobs or items/ships from manufacturing jobs. Yes, that'd work. Locking is still a good idea for especially valuable BPOs. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Lashandra Korona	Posted - 2007.09.16 13:43:00 - [39] Great post thanks it answered alot of my questions about labs.
Frieghterbabe Material Efficiency	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:41:00 - [40] 10. Is it possible to start invention jobs remotely? Sigh. Yes, but only if... * All materials required are in the lab, in one single hangar division. * The BPC you want to invent from is in a corp hangar in a station/outpost in the same system as the POS. * There is a second BPC from the same BPO in the lab along with the other materials (this isn't consumed when the job is run). ---------- You do NOT need to have a second BPC in the lab, you can ignore the lacking BPC message and accept the job, and it will start.

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:34:00 - [41] Ok, I've corrected this. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:54:00 - [42] thx for a very helpfull guide. but i have a problem i have a office that is 7 jumps away from my pos lab i have sientific networking lvl 4 but still it refuses to alowe me to do resertch remotly did i miss some thing ? right now im thinking that since i have to select entire region to see the labs in the menue that is prbly what is wrong but at the same time i dont want to train a skill to lvl 5 for no reson. oh wise master you who are strong in the way of the pos labs plz plz plz help me
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:05:00 - [43] Try reading the answers to questions 1 & 2 My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:39:00 - [44] :¦ i did and there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos i have SN lvl 4 withc shoud alowe me to do resertch 20 jumps away those 7 jumps take me to a difrent constalation there for i need to select "entire region" on the drop down menue but i shoud still be well with in my range skill wise also there are no materials requiered, the char is a director and shoud there for have all roles now what am i missing right now im thinking that the discription of the skill is just very missleading
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.17 13:45:00 - [45] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/09/2007 13:47:27 I'm sorry if this escaped your notice. I tried to make it fairly prominent, but I can only use so much bold, you know: Originally by: RaggiT :¦ there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos Originally by: me The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. EDIT: In your honour, I've bolded this section in the original post as well. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
RaggiT	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:20:00 - [46] Edited by: RaggiT on 17/09/2007 16:21:55 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 17/09/2007 13:47:27 I'm sorry if this escaped your notice. I tried to make it fairly prominent, but I can only use so much bold, you know: Originally by: RaggiT :¦ there are 7 jumps from my office to my pos Originally by: me The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 2. Can I start jobs when the BPOs are many jumps away? Yes, provided that they are set up as described above, and you have the necessary level of Scientific Networking. You're limited to regional range (at level V). EDIT: In your honour, I've bolded this section in the original post as well. was confusing me but i see your point now thx for the help
Takashi Kurosawa The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.09.17 23:00:00 - [47] I have a research alt which I have not yet trained Scientific Networking I on. When I fly out right next to the Lab and try to start a research job I get the error "Cannot establish contact with the Science & Industry facility. If it is in a different system you might have to travel closer.". The proper roles according to this guide have been granted to the character. Does anyone have any idea what this is about?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.18 11:59:00 - [48] I haven't seen that particular message before. You could try training the skill to level 1 and see if that makes a difference (it shouldn't take more than a day or so at most). You don't mention where the BPOs in question were located. Were they in the lab itself? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Takashi Kurosawa The Patriot Society Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:31:00 - [49] The BPOs were located in the ship's cargohold. I tried moving them to the Lab after recieving the error message, but then I get a message saying something to the effect of "you have to be a Fuel Technician to do this". I am going to train Scientific Networking I on the alt since he already has the prerequisite skills, but was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this error.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:09:00 - [50] I expect that once you're able to put your BPOs in the lab your problems will be over; you should be able to start a job (while your ship is within 3km of the lab) without needing to train scientific networking. The exact roles you require in order to do this will depend on how the POS owner has set things up. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats

Mhorbaine	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:40:00 - [51] I am intending to use the POS for a friends access only (via remotes if possible) and have read thru your FAQ at the top (v nice guide btw) and have a small question to clarify something According to the ss you have posted i can leave the other standings as default (to allow all friendlies to use it regardless of sec rating etc) but so long as the "minimum standing" filter is checked to a certain value (i.e +5) then to access it people would have to have that +standing to the corp who owns the pos to access it?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:20:00 - [52] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 19/09/2007 09:24:18 It should work, but don't get your hopes up. I tested the sec status filter recently, and people were still able to install jobs even with the requirement of a min sec status of 10 and the restriction mask set. EDIT: also, I think the standing has to be from the corp that owns the POS to the corp starting the job, not to it. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.29 10:02:00 - [53] I'm bumping this thread because so many people have been starting new ones that ask the same questions covered here. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.29 21:27:00 - [54] I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Braaage eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.09.29 22:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Start the job from your corp hangar not your own hangar. -- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info Now includes setting up POSs in Empire
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.29 22:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Braaage Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I am experiencing a bit of a problem. When I try to install a research job in the advanced mobile lab the little bar appears that says "Generating Quote" after I have choosen the BPO, installation and all that. But the bar fills and nothing ever happens. My game just sits at that screen until I hit escape and try again, but it never works. I am almost 100% sure all my permissions are set okay, at least in the corp management portion. Am I msising something on the lab itself or the control tower? Start the job from your corp hangar not your own hangar. BPO is in corporate hanger. Character has every roll except director itself. Character has Scientific Networking 4 and is in same system as BPO and POS at the station with the corp hanger. I can pick the installation, I can click the BPO, I can chose 20 runs, and then hit ok, and it starts to generate quote and freezes/hangs when the bar fills and never does anything. I can hit escape and the screen goes away and the game is playing fine. Relogging doesn't help. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.30 08:50:00 - [57] Your best bet is to take down the lab, repackage it at a station and try again. The same problem occasionally occurs with assembly arrays, though I haven't been able to reproduce it. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Lorune Gallente Thundercats	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:56:00 - [58] Ok i know i am missing a role in the corp most likely i just dont know which one. I placed a Lab, its working, i can research at it, i just cant seem to manage the assembly lines. So my question is what role am i missing to do that ? :)
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:22:00 - [59] I'm not certain, but I strongly suspect that the required role is Station Manager. Directors can also do this, of course. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Laendra	Posted - 2007.10.02 19:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 1. How can I do research without keeping my BPOs at the POS? The BPOs have to be in a corp hangar in an Outpost or NPC station in the same solar system as the POS. You will need the skill Scientific Networking I to start a job in this manner. If any materials are required for the research, they must be placed (in advance) in the matching corp hangar division in the lab used to do the research. Correction, you do not need Scientific Networking to do this. If you don't have the skill trained, simply fly out to the lab module, and you can install the job from the station corp hangar just fine. -------------------



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